[00:00] <charlie-tca> in college to become a sign language interpreter
[00:02] <charlie-tca> You are in the right place, johnny77 
[00:02] <johnny77> charlie-tca: thank you. 
[00:04] <johnny77> maco: I heard that you were working on some stuff for Deaf accessibility. I'm studying to become a sign language interpreter and was just curious on what you are working on. 
[00:04] <maco> i just wrote sign language teaching software and brought back the UI for enabling visual system bell (because auditory one is useless if deaf)
[00:05] <maco> cool stuff totally out of my league would be sign-to-text software (which does exist, some folks are using Kinect for it and one of my profs mentioned some researches i think at BU who were doing it with webcams)
[00:09] <hajour> maco i am busy to make a plan so that deaf people also can use speechcontrol without to have to sit down before the pc.like being on the other side of the room and still know what the pc says in way of speaking
[00:11] <johnny77> Being more of a beginner, and not knowing any programming languages, I was thinking more of sign language tutorials, but it looks like you are way ahead of me. 
[00:11] <maco> at the moment word lists for lessons would be very handy
[00:12] <maco> then people who can sign can just go through the list and record the signs withut having to first think "hmm what would be a useful sign?"
[00:12] <hajour> i just have idea s and then pull people who can make it
[00:13] <hajour> what if it are no signs but something you feel maco .:)
[00:13] <hajour> give me a week or 2 weeks and then i can tell more maco 
[00:15] <hajour> johnny77, ^
[00:16] <hajour> johnny77,  i have in speechcontrol also students :)
[00:17] <hajour> btw johnny77  maco knows a lot :)
[00:19] <johnny77> Cool, I'm intrigued with the sign language aspect of the accessibility. Not sure if I'd be able to help much, but maybe keep me in the back of your mind. If you need a list of words signed or something. 
[00:20] <johnny77> BTW: I'm learning American Sign Language. 
[00:20] <maco> thats what i use
[00:20] <maco> btw #gally for my app
[00:21] <johnny77> I gotta set away for a few minutes... I'll try to get back on in a little bit. 
[00:21] <maco> kk
[00:25] <hajour> johnny77,  have you signed the coc key?
[00:44] <hajour> i  am going to sleep now goodnight all:)
[00:46] <johnny77> Sorry, I'm back.
[00:47] <johnny77> hajour: If you're still on, yes I have. 
[00:49] <hajour> ok :) i have always 24 hours a day mostly chats on because of irc channel
[14:06] <Ronnie> i created a google map with pointers to specific items (http://people.ubuntu.com/~ronnie.vd.c/map.html). this map maybe will be used by other communities in the future, but i want to know how this map behaves toghether with accessibility tools. How can i make this map more accessible?
[14:28] <hajour> cprofitt may i give ubuntu to the primary school here in this village?
[14:28] <hajour> i have not asked yet because i first wanted to know or i may give it free
[14:28] <cprofitt> hajour: I would assume so, but I am not aware of their rules and regs
[14:29] <cprofitt> Ubuntu is FOSS so you are allowed to from an Ubuntu perspective
[14:29] <hajour> schools pc s are on low lvl here 2001 windows system
[14:29] <Pendulum> should be fine from an Ubuntu perspective
[14:29] <Pendulum> more a question of what the school thinks and if there are people there who can support it
[14:30] <hajour> and goverment is again giving less money. 300 million less on all schools
[14:30] <Pendulum> hajour: they might do better with edubuntu than regular Ubuntu
[14:30] <hajour> ok then i go call the director from the school now :) 
[14:31] <hajour> thanks cprofitt and Pendulum 
[14:31] <hajour> i only not nowyet how i can get the discs
[14:35] <hajour> Pendulum,  he want only on paper that  ubuntu gives it to the school. XD and first look what programs ubuntu have or it is useble 
[14:35] <hajour> cprofitt^
[14:37] <hajour> i understand he want it on paper because of the legal aspect . he have to explain on paper to the government
[14:37] <hajour> cprofitt i mean .forgot to put space in
[14:40] <AlanBell> hajour: you can get disks from shipit.ubuntu.com
[14:41] <hajour> if i succeed then probably all primary schools go over on ubuntu in this province
[14:41] <hajour> :))
[14:41] <hajour> i will ask help from UndiFineD 
[14:41] <AlanBell> well good luck, but it is hard
[14:42] <hajour> well the director was very interested AlanBell 
[14:42] <hajour> i don't think it will be hard .all is in ubuntu thought
[14:43] <Pendulum> hajour: I'm going to ask in #ubuntu-community-team if there's a contact at Canonical that might be able to help you
[14:43] <hajour> ok Pendulum :)
[14:44] <hajour> have i to go there to or just wait in accessibility Pendulum ?
[14:45] <Pendulum> hajour: feel free to join in :)
[14:45] <hajour> first time i will people convince to use ubuntu my kids not count in ofcourse
[14:45] <hajour> ok Pendulum :)
[14:46] <hajour> Pendulum,  i dont know how to start
[14:46] <hajour> how to say in english
[14:47] <Pendulum> hajour: I just did the basic bit in what I asked
[14:51] <hajour> yes was it good i have tell the rest to or have i tell to much?
[14:53] <Pendulum> I think you've said enough
[14:53] <hajour> yak i am to excited making more mistakes in writhing because of that
[14:53] <hajour> yak= bah
[14:53] <Pendulum> I knew what you meant :)
[14:55] <hajour> :)
[15:00] <hajour> Pendulum,  if i succeed there will come a domino effect. then more schools go use it
[15:00] <hajour> in netherland
[15:00] <cprofitt> hold on...
[15:01] <JanC> schools will probably want a company to give support though
[15:01] <cprofitt> http://www.slideshare.net/indigo196/ed-tech-2010
[15:01] <cprofitt> that might help with schools
[15:01] <cprofitt> though it is US centric
[15:01] <hajour> well  this was what ubuntu wanted thought
[15:02] <cprofitt> http://www.slideshare.net/indigo196/fosscon
[15:02] <hajour> and children learnon school use ubuntu and they are the future
[15:02] <hajour> reading :)
[15:03] <hajour> is there also in dutch?
[15:04] <hajour> it are i mean th education
[15:04] <Ronnie> hajour: from http://edubuntu.org/about "If you have any copyright concerns or questions, then you are always more than welcome to contact us about it."
[15:04] <hajour> or need we to translate so fast as possible?
[15:05] <hajour> i mean the kids getting lessons in dutch not english
[15:06] <JanC> it's probabl better to adapt current dutch lessons to Ubuntu
[15:07] <Ronnie> hajour: i think you can get much information from http://ict.hethooghuis.nl/ they started to test ubuntu(or edubuntu) deploying in school around the city oss
[15:08] <JanC> if they want to share lessosn, that would certainly be cool
[15:08] <hajour> yes JanC 
[15:08] <cprofitt> Ronnie: there is more to education and Open than edubuntu
[15:08] <hajour> but al need to be in dutch
[15:09] <cprofitt> Open Coureware, Open Curriculum, etc
[15:09] <Ronnie> hajour: i think you your first step should be contacting hooghuis
[15:09] <cprofitt> http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm
[15:09] <hajour> i have the feeling this will become a major job
[15:09] <cprofitt> I try to get people invovled from the curriculum angle first...
[15:10] <cprofitt> then slip the software in
[15:10] <hajour> i will .but i need to wait till tomorrow .primary schools are closed now
[15:10] <JanC> Ronnie: I guess the people from that school also were involved with the release parties in Oss ?
[15:10] <Ronnie> JanC: yes they were. i spoke shortly with them
[15:11] <Ronnie> they were very entausiast about ubuntu
[15:11] <hajour> jan and ronnie will you help me with this to do all good?
[15:12] <JanC> hajour: I think Ronnie can get you and the school you talk about in contact with the school in Oss
[15:12] <hajour> ok that would be nice JanC  and Ronnie :)
[15:13] <hajour> if this succeed i will go more schools in friesland
[15:13] <hajour> go call i mean
[15:13] <hajour> but if i need to go to oss how will i come there then ?
[15:14] <Ronnie> hajour: you can start mailing them
[15:14] <hajour> yes with that i need help from UndiFineD 
[15:15] <Ronnie> maybe after the first contact, the school itself can contact to hooghuis about that stuff. if they can share ideas and solutions that will be very cool
[15:17] <hajour> dos google maps need accessibility help cprofitt?
[15:17] <hajour> yes Ronnie :)
[15:21] <Ronnie> hajour: here more information about "nederland open in verbinding (noiv)" which is a gouverment organization about open standards and open source: https://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/view/NOiV/Artikel%20Open%20source%20in%20opkomst%20in%20onderwijs%20Europa
[15:22] <Ronnie> https://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/view/NOiV/Onderwijs
[15:28] <hajour> i have called to noiv but they are in a meeting now so i call tomorrow back
[15:29] <hajour> cprofitt,  ^
[15:29] <hajour> and Pendulum  ^
[15:31] <Pendulum> hajour: sounds like a plan :)
[15:32] <hajour> i already busy :P
[15:32] <hajour> with it
[15:32] <hajour> AlanBell,  how the speechprograms are now from ubuntu?
[15:32] <hajour> 1 of them good already?
[15:36] <hajour> Pendulum,  i hope you will not be annoyed and cprofitt  but i have say to the school i had asked permission to my boss from here to do this.else the director had not listen to me.i have said i am volunteer :P
[15:36] <Pendulum> hajour: it's fine :)
[15:36]  * Pendulum goes to run errands
[15:37] <hajour> ok Pendulum  till later :)
[16:11] <hajour> cprofitt,  the school boards som e of theme are electronic and need to be able to make contact to the pc s
[16:12] <hajour> i wonder or ubuntu is asble to do that
[16:14] <hajour> i need to do  errands  to and after that cooking and eating diner
[16:14] <hajour> till later :)
[16:26] <cprofitt> hey jono 
[16:30] <jono> hey cprofitt
[16:31] <cprofitt> how have ya been?
[18:09] <hajour> testing if the fonts are bigger now 
[18:11] <hajour> AlanBell,  the fonts from xchat cant be put bigger then 14 that is a problem for me
[18:11] <hajour> i need at least 16
[18:13] <hajour> i already going see more worse then normal because i have to very concentrate with half closed eyes to see chat
[18:19] <charlie-tca> hajour: Using xchat in Xubuntu, I put the fonts at 64
[18:19] <charlie-tca> and it worked
[21:35] <hajour> i cant use xubuntu charlie-tca  i got not enough processor power
[21:36] <charlie-tca> but xchat still should be able to resize fonts big. Not the gnome-xchat, though, maybe.
[21:39] <hajour> i have xchat charlie-tca 
[21:40] <hajour> i click  bigger fonts on and then restart xchat but it stays on font 14 size
[21:47] <charlie-tca> that's strange. Mine get bigger. I can that a serious bug, too.
[21:51] <hajour> i can hardly read now because its not go to size 16
[22:17] <charlie-tca> I can understand that. Can AlanBell do anything there?
[22:20] <hajour> i don't know charlie-tca  and UndiFineD  also not know why it  is not working
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Can you or UndiFineD file a bug report using        ubuntu-bug xchat    
[22:21] <charlie-tca> and tell me the number?
[22:30] <hajour> UndiFineD,  is to his bed alraedy
[22:32] <charlie-tca> It can wait, I will send it to the xchat developers when I get it
[22:34] <hajour> ok charlie-tca