=== seidos is now known as LongShot [00:10] hey LongShot :) [00:10] hey [00:11] whats goin on ? === LongShot is now known as longshot-numero- === longshot-numero- is now known as seidos [02:03] Hello I have an old Dell xp that seems to have the os guts somehow virised out. no device manager, no sound manager, no system restore, etc. Boots up ok though. Task manager opens. Can I use a boot cd to reformatt the disk and put ubuntu on it? [02:05] red_: you mean like boot an Ubuntu CD, wipe the whole disk and install Ubuntu? if so, yes, why not? [02:06] I just want to use the computer with a good operating system and since it will not hook up to the net I have to get it on there somehow [02:07] red_: what might your computer specs be? RAM and hard disk. [02:09] red_: and ubuntu is a really good operating system, you know. :) [02:10] hi all [02:10] dell latitude d610 .99 GB of ram xp professional 74.4 GB disk [02:10] hey thewrath :) [02:10] how is everyone? [02:10] everyone is fine, i believe. :) [02:10] doing good since snowmaggedon was a bust [02:10] :) [02:10] MattHarrison, where do you live? [02:11] Michigan [02:11] red_: great. you can install it. [02:12] does the complete ubuntu os fit on a cd? [02:12] red_: or if you really want a more low resource, i suggest you try lubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu [02:12] red_: yes, it does. [02:13] ok great thanks [02:13] no problem. :) [02:16] is there an ipconfig function that I can access from the terminal? [02:18] yax51: you looking for ifconfig? [02:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifconfig [02:19] holstein: possibly, does it work the same as ipconfig from windows, or very similar? [02:20] yes and no [02:20] probably just depends on what you are doing [02:20] as to how similar it will be [02:22] holstien: what do you mean [02:23] well, im not too sure how ipconfig works [02:23] ive used it very little [02:23] BUT, i would say certain tasks would be similar 'looking' and feeling [02:23] with ifconfig [02:25] aaah, so basically I am trying to flush the DNS cache... [02:26] yax51: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-clearflush-dns-cache-in-ubuntu.html [02:27] MattHarrison: thanks [03:38] is 148 processes considered a lot for ubuntu ? [03:39] After I mount a FTP, can I create some kind of shortcut to automount it later? (The real problem is I have a few FTPs and cant remember the passwords for all of them) [03:53] man this Cairo dock confuses me [03:53] Docky FTW [03:53] DOCKY! [03:54] * zkriesse grabs his docky banner, docky shirt, and blue paint [03:54] come on ddecator let's go touting docky! [03:54] whats the one called thats in gnome-do ? [03:54] its not bad [03:54] it's not in gnome-do anymore [03:54] and easy to get going [03:54] ddecator: OH [03:54] separate project now [03:54] interesting [03:54] probably better that way [03:54] plus the non-gnome-do docky always had more features [03:55] well I think docky presented the same problem as cario dock is giving me [03:55] which is? [03:55] well I have icons like Pidgin on the dock [03:55] which should do one of two things, just launch the main pidgin program (my friends list) or show active conversations and the friends list [03:56] but when I start a conversation with someone, that pidgin icon suddenly only opens and closes that conversation, and has no interaction with the main pidgin program [03:56] Docky lets you right-click icons and select which window related to the program to focus [03:56] if left-clicking doesn't bring up the right one [03:57] hm [03:57] these docks have always confused me, they are always adding extra icons [03:57] etc [03:58] adding extra icons? like when you open a program that isn't on the dock it adds an icon while that program is open? [03:58] yeah [03:58] that as well [03:58] that's a feature in Docky that you can toggle on or off :) [04:00] just wish I knew why the pidigin icon will only open one of the active chat sessions and not the pidigin menu it self (unless all conversations are closed) [04:00] it probably opens the most recent window related to the application [04:01] thats kind of annoying [04:01] I want my icons to open up the programs they are associated to [04:01] or make it so when you hover over them, you have lil preview windows of other windows associated to that program, or something [04:04] or like skype, if I close my skype window and then click skype from my dock again to re open it, it starts a whole new session of skype instead of opening the current one (one I already opened and logged in with) [04:06] yah that shouldn't happen. i don't think Docky does that [04:06] i tried Cairo, AWN, and Docky. Docky was, imo, the best by far [04:06] and then if I launch frostwire from the dock it adds another frostfire icon to the dock for it [04:06] ddecator, I'll try docky I guess [04:07] hope it functions like I was thinking a dock should be functioning :( [04:07] that last issue can sometimes happen still, but that's usually just after you've added an app to the dock and usually goes away after restarting docky [04:08] i use the docky daily ppa, but i think the one in the repos is pretty much the same [04:08] To use Docky you need a compositing WM, right? [04:08] possibly [04:08] not really sure [04:10] sigh, now I cant get rid of caior dock [04:10] yah, cairo dock is...persistent [04:10] I did sudo apt-get remove cairo-dock but its still listed under system tools and still functions [04:11] oh, think I need to log out and back in [04:11] brb [04:11] you could use synaptic and search "cairo" to see what other packages show up [04:11] or that could be it.. [04:12] sigh, its still there [04:12] yah, i would try the synaptic route [04:12] i feel like i ran into the same issue a couple years ago [04:13] alright [04:14] yeah synaptic took care of it [04:14] might as well install docky with synaptic also, should I also install python-docky? [04:14] nvm, looks like it includes that [04:17] alright got docky up and runnin [04:19] Docky is doing the same thing with skype :( [04:19] really? that's odd...i haven't had that before [04:20] yeah keeps running a new instance of skype instead of opening the existing one [04:20] it might work after a restart. it sometimes acts weird right after adding an app [04:20] also adds a new icon for frostwire [04:20] so all the same problems cairo dock offered [04:21] try killing the docky process and starting it again [04:21] ok [04:22] yeah still doing it [04:22] which is basically rendering a dock useless if it wont keep track of my currently opened programs/windows [04:24] that's really weird...you could try the daily ppa, but not sure if that'd help since i haven't ever had those problems with it [04:24] hmm [04:24] im not entirely sure how to use PPA's yet either [04:25] what version of ubuntu are you using? [04:25] 10.10 [04:27] "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:docky-core/ppa" then "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" [04:28] ok its saying it help 1 upgrade back [04:28] "docky" [04:28] how do I force upgrade it ? [04:30] The following packages have been kept back: [04:30] docky [04:30] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. [04:30] held it back? hmm, maybe it has different dependencies. open synaptic, search for docky, click the box and mark for upgrade, and see what it says [04:30] dist-upgrade [04:30] OR [04:30] synaptic like ddecator is easy [04:30] you can remove it [04:31] and reinstall it [04:31] i think I got it [04:31] dist-upgrade upgrades the distribution, is that what you want [04:31] will I need to reload docky for changes (if any) to take effect ? [04:31] its because you are getting it from a different repository [04:31] yeah, just figured that out, he [04:31] heh* [04:31] seidos: you need to change sources [04:31] and run dist-upgrade [04:31] AFAIK [04:31] i use dist-upgrade often [04:32] for some audio PPA's i use [04:32] oh, for ppas you run sudo apt-get update [04:32] ok its all upgraded now [04:32] i don't [04:32] what do you use dist-upgrade for holstein? aside from upgrading the distro? [04:33] upgrading packages [04:33] when a newer package is in a different repo [04:33] isn't that just the upgrade command? sudo apt-get upgrade? [04:33] yup [04:33] update updates the cache [04:34] wait, are you pulling packages from a different version of the distro? like installing 10.10 packages on 10.04 or 11.04 on 10.10? [04:34] docky is in the repo [04:34] the default one [04:34] when you add the PPA [04:34] you're askind apt to install a newer version [04:34] dist-upgrade upgrades more parts of the system, but it doesn't do an upgrade from one distro version to another [04:34] with apt-get upgrade [04:34] well bummer, I was hoping to get a working dock set up tonight :( [04:34] BUT it says, wait [04:35] the newer one is in a differen repo [04:35] "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" might work too, unless there are dependency issues [04:35] i run that command every day [04:35] yup [04:35] gunndawg: still doing the same thing? [04:35] ddecator, yeah, it also wont open my current browsing session when I click chromium or firefox [04:35] it launches a new browser session [04:36] holstein: ah, checking the man page. interesting. [04:36] just like it did with skype, etc [04:36] definitely shouldn't be doing that...how are you adding the apps to the dock? [04:36] seidos: i recently learned about it [04:36] ddecator, I dragged them from my panel [04:36] using the kxstudio PPA [04:36] holstein: yeah, that isn't intuitive to me [04:36] gunndawg: should work then :/ [04:36] seidos: well, when you think about it, its better than having packages come in willy-nilly [04:36] from whatever repo [04:37] this is an extra step [04:37] ddecator, yeah unfortunately its not, :( [04:37] I just want a working dock! [04:37] is that what differentiates upgrade from dist-upgrade? i never figured out what made some things only update with dist-upgrade [04:37] gunndawg: like i said, some of it might work after a restart, possibly of your whole computer, but not sure [04:37] ddecator, also if I close pidgin chat then it completely removes it from the dock [04:38] gunndawg: try dragging it from the application menu [04:38] instead of the panel [04:38] ddecator, k [04:38] gunndawg: right click the app, pin to dock? [04:39] yah, that might work too [04:39] that did not work, still opens multiple sessions of the browser, and skype [04:39] :( [04:39] gunndawg: ? [04:39] we want a working dock for you too gunndawg! [04:39] i'm installing docky now [04:39] gunndawg: what dock did you install? didn't catch that. [04:40] haha, cool icon, with the anchor [04:40] strange [04:40] i'm using a daily/beta of docky. works fine [04:40] seidos, only cool thing about it as far as I am concerened [04:40] I bet if I exit out of Xchat, it will disappear off of docky [04:41] hhmm, strange thing. [04:41] gunndawg: it doesn't really make sense to have a dock if you have a panel at the bottom... [04:41] JoeMaverickSett: me too, i'm using the daily ppa and haven't run into any of the issues he's having [04:41] strange and annoying, makes the dock not worth using [04:41] ddecator: yup, that puzzels me. :| [04:41] hmmm, but it is kind of cool...maybe i should get rid of the bottom panel [04:42] seidos: that's what i did [04:42] seidos: i did the first thing i knew about docks. :D [04:42] and the top panel auto-hides. maximum screen realestate :) [04:42] I would get rid of the bottom panel if I could get the dang dock working as such that its worth using [04:42] ddecator: cool, haven't thought about it yet. :D [04:42] gnome's auto-hide is lame [04:42] gunndawg: like i said, my only extra suggestion is to add all of the applications, then restart your comp and see if it works better [04:43] ddecator, I'll give that one last attempt [04:43] yup, try... :( [04:43] i hate to see it not working... [04:43] coz it's the best.. :D [04:43] gunndawg: you have the dock at the top? [04:43] JoeMaverickSett: window dodge hiding i think is what docky option i have set [04:43] ddecator: ah, i think mine's on intellihide. [04:44] there was something about intelli-hide i didn't like..can't remember what [04:44] ah, nope, window dodge. :D [04:44] oh! [04:44] holstein, no [04:44] holstein, bottom [04:44] and the gnome panel is at the bottom too? [04:44] and turn on autohide [04:44] if i window doesn't have focus, intellihide doesn't hide the dock, but window dodge will hide it if any window is close enough to the dock [04:44] probably should get rid of the top panel too...they don't really work together [04:44] drag docky up to the top for a bit [04:44] to test [04:45] holstein, to test what ? [04:45] ddecator: yeah, that one didn't work as i thought it'd [04:45] so they panel and the dock can breathe [04:45] ok I moved it to the right [04:45] whoa, can't kill gnome-panel, it restarts [04:45] JoeMaverickSett: yah, i sometimes have two windows side by side, and i used to have 3 docks, so it drove me nuts when i would go between the two windows and two of the docks kept showing and hiding [04:45] i autohid it... [04:46] er, well the top one [04:46] ddecator: hehe, distractions. :D [04:46] * seidos facepalms [04:46] JoeMaverickSett: how did you turn off gnome-panel? [04:46] seidos: like how? [04:46] i got my top panel still [04:46] docky is at bottom [04:46] ok guess im gonna restart and hope docky works then, so brb [04:46] yah, the top panel is handy [04:47] yup [04:47] gunndawg: good luck :) [04:47] just have it auto-hide [04:47] so windows can fill the whole screen [04:47] seidos: right click the panel > properties ? [04:48] JoeMaverickSett: ah, yeah, i have too many things open right now... [04:48] ah, i'll move to another workspace [04:48] seidos: hehe, i forgot about ubuntu having workspaces. :P [04:48] might start utilizing it!! [04:48] i don't get it, docky is working okay for me [04:48] * JoeMaverickSett facepalms. [04:49] ok back [04:49] oh man, workspaces are amazing [04:49] i'm not using pigin though [04:49] gunndawg: any luck? [04:49] ddecator: tell me about it. :D [04:49] i <3 workspaces [04:49] ddecator, well I notice something about it [04:49] i don't need them right now, but they are nice to have [04:49] 5 workspaces in 1 row as a "cube" [04:49] if I sign into skype, and just "minimize" skype instead of hitting the X, the docky will open skype properly [04:49] ah, with multiple workspaces, not sure docky would "cut it" [04:49] docky works great with multiple workspaces [04:50] but if I hit X on skype (its still running, I can open it from the top panel) and then try to open it in docky, it opens a new instance of it [04:50] ddecator: i'll try it [04:50] gunndawg: that's odd...maybe it doesn't notice that it's still running because there isn't a window, so it assumes it needs to launch it [04:50] ddecator, yeah thats how its acting [04:50] seidos: if you click something on docky, it'll auto-move to the workspace that window is on [04:51] gunndawg: strange...any luck with firefox/chrome? [04:51] ddecator: sweet. so then i would just need a bigger "docky" maybe :P [04:51] i usually use multiple workspaces when i have gimp, totem, and a few other things open...maybe audacity [04:51] ddecator, yeah chrome seems to be functioning properly because it always has a window [04:51] seidos: me too. and it even goes through the animations if you're using desktop cube or anything [04:52] gunndawg: well that's improvement at least [04:52] just like if I minimize skype it works, well you have to minimize chrome to keep it going [04:52] ddecator: yeah, not using desk cube. intel graphics. [04:52] i wonder if there is a bug report for docky about the closing a window thing.. [04:52] seidos: i'm sorry :( [04:52] seidos: oh man. :( [04:52] yeah im not just sure if this docky thing is gonna work for me, sadly, they look so convenient [04:53] it is. and much more functional than the bottom panel [04:53] ddecator, JoeMaverickSett haha, it's not a big deal. [04:53] ddecator: true, tbqh. :D [04:53] seidos: yeah, just can still get the desktop wall [04:53] does anyone ever use empathy? [04:53] * JoeMaverickSett is a pidgin fan. :D [04:53] i do [04:54] ddecator: for what? [04:54] or did, but now i might try kopete, but i haven't used an IM app in months [04:54] seidos: i used it for facebook chat and google talk [04:54] gunndawg: i'm trying it out [04:54] ddecator: ah, nobody i know chats on there [04:55] seidos, alright, let me know what you think [04:55] nope, that's why i stopped using it. plus i have gmail opened in an app tab in firefox at all times, so google talk is open anyway [04:55] seems like everything you open has to be "minimized" in order to be reachable again by docky [04:55] gunndawg: i kind of like it so far. [04:55] gunndawg: alt-tab? [04:55] nah [04:55] seidos, no, that is not what I mean [04:55] in my experience [04:55] docky is similar to OSX's dock [04:56] but much better [04:56] I mean some things like pidgin, and skype can run from the panel without the window actually being "active" [04:56] and more customizable [04:56] with more options [04:56] yup [04:56] gunndawg: or ccsm with hide windows shortcut (Ctrl + ALt + d) ? [04:56] gunndawg: it does seem like you can't really choose what ends up on the dock. firefox is there, and empathy, and rhythmbox...they don't need to be for me. it would be better to have gimp and totem [04:56] drag em off [04:56] seidos, you can add them and remove them [04:56] seidos: drag it to the desktop and poff it goes [04:56] off [04:56] :D [04:56] yup [04:57] with a neat graphic and all :) [04:57] JoeMaverickSett: nifty [04:57] also check out docklets and helpers :) [04:57] I think I might have to skip out on the docky, its just much frusterating [04:57] nah, this is nice. i have a visual representation of the apps i use [04:57] frustration * [04:57] gunndawg: but the pretty pictures! [04:58] seidos, yeah it looks great, I agree. But the way it functions just isnt acceptable [04:58] gunndawg: how about indicate multiple windows? [04:58] i think i would have to use alt-f2 a lot more...which should improve efficiency over time [04:58] holstein, what does that mean ? [04:58] i just clicked on chromium [04:58] seidos: you won't say it's pretty when half of your apps are betas or dailys that don't have docky icons. :D [04:58] holstein: i think it does that by default [04:58] and it did not launch a new chromium [04:58] it went to the one that was already open [04:58] holstein, I got the chromium part fixed, its fine [04:59] JoeMaverickSett: just for that i'm going to try to find a program i use that doesn't have a docky icon [04:59] seidos: find it in the app menu and drag it onto the dock [04:59] whats the problem? [04:59] :D [04:59] even if it's custom [04:59] and you can specify an icon [04:59] it uses whatever is shown in the applications menu [04:59] holstein, try using skype with docky [04:59] or pidgin [04:59] ddecator: ah, must have been the case. some of my apps don't have icon in the app menu. [05:00] oh, the irony, my system looks more like a mac now [05:00] like right now I have skype on, its tucked up in the top panel as logged in, but if I click skype on the docky, bam I get a new instance of skype instead of the one I am already logged into [05:00] i should call it a "friend" [05:00] JoeMaverickSett: if you set a custom icon in the applications menu, docky will eventually update and use that icon as well [05:00] heh [05:00] gunndawg: interesting [05:00] ddecator: oh, okie. [05:00] i just had it do with skype as i expected [05:00] * JoeMaverickSett didn't know that, sorry for the wrong info. :| [05:00] it launched a new one [05:00] seidos: because of docky, a lot of people assume i'm use OS X when they first see my screen, haha [05:00] holstein, exactly [05:00] and maximized a minimized one [05:00] gunndawg: let me install skype and see how it goes [05:01] ddecator: hehe, exactly. :D [05:01] JoeMaverickSett: i learned that when i used prism and that used favicons which scaled horribly [05:01] gunndawg: whats the issue then? [05:01] its going to launch the app? [05:01] holstein, what do you mean what is the issue? when I click skype on docky it should open up the one that I already am logged into and using, right? not open a new skype window/new instance of skype [05:01] ddecator: i quit on prism the day i installed it. :D [05:01] gunndawg: right [05:01] JoeMaverickSett: it was nice before app tabs came out [05:02] holstein, well, thats the problem, it opens up a new instance of skype [05:02] thats what happend for me [05:02] ddecator: is it? never knew. didn't explore it. :D [05:02] gunndawg: ah, same here. [05:02] the first time, are you launching it with docky gunndawg ? [05:02] holstein, so then why do you ask what the problem is, if you clearly see the problem [05:02] so why not use empathy instead of skype? does it have video and audio over tcp/ip? [05:02] holstein, lol [05:02] holstein, , yes [05:02] gunndawg: i did not no [05:02] know* [05:02] what the problem was [05:02] because [05:02] its not happening for me [05:02] ah, can't call a pots phone [05:03] this is exactly what i do [05:03] its happening for JoeMaverickSett it appears [05:03] gunndawg: well, just minimize it then. :D [05:03] i click on skype [05:03] it opens [05:03] a new one [05:03] i minimize [05:03] gunndawg: i don't *X* close it, so i didn't experience it much. :D [05:03] yeah I guess if you minimize it [05:03] i click on the same icon [05:03] and i get it maximized [05:03] holstein, yeah it works if you minimize it, but if you hit the X then it doesnt work like that [05:03] right [05:03] the x closes it [05:03] yup [05:04] well the X stores it in my top panel [05:04] and for you its doing what? [05:04] so i can click it up there, and bam, skype is open [05:04] right [05:04] but you closed it [05:04] i wonder if rythmbox would do the same [05:04] holstein, no thats not how it works [05:04] holstein: the window, but not the program [05:04] and its like a shortcut at that point [05:04] the process is still running [05:04]