=== asac_ is now known as asac === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ [07:57] Good morning [07:57] Morning! [07:57] hey Sweetshark, wie gehts? [07:58] good morning pitti and Sweetshark [07:58] super, aber immer noch etwas ueberwaeltigt ;) [07:59] hey chrisccoulson -- oh you are up early :) [07:59] pitti - yeah, woken by my daughter again ;) [07:59] Sweetshark: oha? from the new staff tasks? a lot to absorb, yes.. [08:00] pitti: Ich bin jetzt nochmal kurz fuer ca. 30 minuten weg, Post an HR zur Post bringen. Ist das ok? [08:00] ups [08:01] sorry should have pm'ed that. ;) [08:01] /msg Sweetshark oh, the s3kr1t world domination plans? but don't tell anyone! [08:01] good morning [08:01] hrhr [08:01] didrocks, good morning, i was just looking for you [08:01] * didrocks hides [08:01] :) [08:02] yes....I saw you were a member of the ubuntu MIR team and I filed a MIR i just wanted to get some feedback about it [08:02] bonjour didrocks [08:02] Guten Morgen pitti, wie geht's? [08:02] and good morning pitti and sweetshark and everyone else [08:03] bbordwell: which one? normally mterry do the assignement for us [08:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/711061 [08:03] Launchpad bug 711061 in ubuntu "[MIR] libopenjpeg" [Undecided,New] [08:03] but we are really busy right now and the MIR can take some time to proceed :/ [08:03] win 5 [08:03] didrocks, yes I figured. I am just a bug control member so i am not too familiar with MIR [08:04] * Sweetshark is in serious need of a strong coffee ... [08:04] bbordwell: oh, you just open it few days ago. Yeah, it will take more time than that (2 weeks maybe?) :) [08:04] bbordwell: it's some kind of long FIFO list :) [08:04] alright well i wont bother you with it then nevermind i said anything [08:05] didrocks: hm, I have a stuck shotwell icon sticking out of my left window border; do you happen to know how I get rid of it? [08:05] bbordwell: no worry, it can just take time :) [08:05] pitti: like, with the autohide, the icon left on screen still? [08:05] didrocks: half of it; and only for shotwell (which I haven't touched at all today) [08:05] pitti: there are some reference likes in the panel, so yeah [08:05] I tried opening and closing shotwell, didn't help [08:06] let's say "known" and the launcher will have some rewrite for next release [08:06] so hopefully, that will get fixed [08:06] leaks* [08:06] "reference leaks" [08:07] ok, so I won't bother with a bug report yet; thanks [08:07] no, the only way for now to deal with it is to restart unity [08:08] bbordwell: btw, the MIR has to be filed against the source package I fixed that [08:08] didrocks, thanks i was not sure it did not mention that in the wik [08:08] wik/wiki [08:08] bbordwell: please fix it then :) [08:08] didrocks, looking... [08:10] hmm on second look i guess it is implied that it should be against the package [08:11] ok, that what was I was infering :) [08:16] didrocks: hm, I restarted unity, now the firefox icon sticks out; It never did that so far, did anything change yesterday? [08:16] pitti: no, it's really $random and seems you are with no luck today :/ [08:16] ok [08:16] pitti: hum, another way to trick it can be to unset autohide [08:16] (in ccsm) [08:16] and set it again [08:17] ah, will try that next time; just restarted complete session [08:18] pitti: you can open a terminal and just run "unity" [08:19] as the terminal is started by unity, you should have all the GPG/SSH variables exported [08:23] [ [08:27] ] [08:28] * didrocks likes to close/clean things :) [08:28] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:37] hi didrocks - i'm good thanks. how are you? [08:37] chrisccoulson: did you have a chance to give the lucid tbird-locales some testing? [08:38] pitti - oh, no. sorry, i totally forgot to do that ;) [08:38] does it still need testing? [08:38] chrisccoulson: well, let me know if you can't squeeze it in, then I'll try to make some time [08:38] pitti - i can do it this morning [08:38] chrisccoulson: yeah, it's the last main package which is in lucid-proposed and needs to go to -updates for the 10.04.2 [08:38] chrisccoulson: great, thank you! [08:39] chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks :) [08:45] hey - anyone help a brother out using nautilus? I just want a list of every file in every directory on a drive.. any ideas? [08:49] didrocks: I was going to look at bug 704409; want me to take bug 712091 while I'm at it? [08:49] Launchpad bug 704409 in gnome-session "Fallback message for no 3D video chipset needs improvements for translations" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704409 [08:49] Launchpad bug 712091 in gnome-session "fallback message contains poor grammar" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712091 [08:49] pitti: oh, I'm just doing them now :) [08:49] look at my comment for bug #704409 btw [08:49] didrocks: ah, way ahead of me then :) [08:49] hey didrocks pitti [08:50] I was just discussing that with dpm :) [08:50] bonjour seb128 [08:50] didrocks: ok, great! [08:50] pitti, do you have any clue about #712091 [08:50] ups the other one rather [08:51] seb128, didrocks: yes, that should be done differently ideally [08:51] gnome-session should to an sprintf(";%s\n%s", _('It seems...'), _('You should...')) [08:52] i. e. hardcode the "meta" characters and split the string in two to avoid the \n [08:52] pitti: well, I'll remove the \n with the new wording rather [08:52] pitti: I'm more concern about adding the comment for translators [08:52] didrocks: or that; but the ';' shouldn't be part of the translatable string at all [08:52] someone will break it [08:52] hum, not sure how to do that properly, I'm not fan of FallbackMessage1, FallbackMessage2… [08:54] pitti: the idea is that you have fallbacksession <-> fallback message pairs [08:57] that doesn't work very well with .desktop files, though [08:57] didrocks: why not _1, _2, etc.? [08:57] didrocks: I really suggest splitting them [08:58] didrocks: consider if you want to add a new one, or change the priorities [08:58] pitti: well, I was thinking list separated to ; was cleaner but I think I won't have any other choice, right :) [08:58] each time you'd break _all_ existing translations [08:58] right, fair point [08:58] changing it now then [09:21] Is anyone currently working on libgpod? [09:22] hey lag, not really [09:22] Hmm [09:22] Does anyone know a great deal about hashing? [09:24] didrocks, seb128: from my POV https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu%20Desktop%20Edition is good to go; do you still have something in mind which we should add? [09:25] lag: I know the principle and some implementations, but not enough to be able to construct new good hash functions [09:25] pitti, seems fine to me [09:25] pitti: I added what was needed for me yesterday :) [09:25] ok, removing the "to be reviewed" then, thanks guys [09:25] pitti: Hi Martin [09:26] pitti: I'm not looking to create one [09:26] pitti: I'm looking to break one :) [09:27] pitti: Because I'm an exclusive Ubuntu user, I how have this expensive little device called an iPod Nano :( [09:27] pitti: Said device is useless [09:28] I thought libimobiledevice would create the necessary checksums for it when copying music? [09:44] pitti: Tested with iPod Touch 1G/2G/3G/4G, iPhone 1G/2G/3G/3GS/4, iPad and Apple TV running up to firmware 4.2.1 on Linux and Mac OS X [09:45] pitti: I have a Nano 6G [10:44] waow, software-center is insulting adobe air deb package from the adobe site :) [10:45] and finish in "I won't install the crap" (well, not the real wording, but almost :)) [10:45] they install everything in /opt and don't follow the FHS, it should be the cause [10:48] didrocks: haha, that is the new auto lintian checks I guess [10:48] mvo: it's awesome, I love it :-) [10:49] hope it doesn't break the new package from quickly when installing from /opt though [10:49] didrocks: what exactly will it print? it uses the stock lintian messages [10:49] one sec, removing it and adding it again [10:49] didrocks: I need we need to add a /opt-ok filter or something [10:50] adobe air - dude! [10:50] ;) [10:51] I know, I know… :-) [10:51] bouuuh didrocks! [10:52] * didrocks hides ;-) [10:55] The package is of bad quality [10:55] The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed. This could cause serious problems on your computer. Please contact the person or organisation who provided this package file and include the details beneath. [10:55] mvo: ^^ [10:55] the wording is great :) [10:55] then, in details, there are the lintian output [10:56] it's not /opt issue it seems [10:56] rather wrong chmod on files [10:56] hehe [10:56] so it was worth it, but we probably need to work on the message a bit more [10:56] did it complain about /opt as well? [10:56] or was the chmod the killer? [10:57] no, but it couldn't open the binary file [10:57] one sec… restarting it [10:57] didrocks: no problem I can play with the air deb a bit more later [10:58] mvo: Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/lintian/checks/deb-format line 63. [10:58] internal error: cannot run deb_format check on package adobeair [10:58] warning: skipping check of binary package adobeair [10:58] in any case, the chmod are already lintian Errors, not warning (as well as no Copyright file) [11:01] * mvo nods [11:05] pitti: hum, thinking about bug #704409, having FallbackMessage_1, 2, 3… won't prevent to break the translation if we change the order of the fallaback, or do you think we should add the overrhead of FallbackSession=FallbackSession_2;FallbackSession_1 … to specify an order? [11:05] Launchpad bug 704409 in gnome-session "Fallback message for no 3D video chipset needs improvements for translations" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704409 [11:07] didrocks: that would indeed be the most robust in terms of translations [11:08] pitti: well, ok, it's a bigger divergence from upstream though… [11:08] didrocks: perhaps FallbackSessions=FallbackSession_2D;FallbackSession_GNOMEclassic;... ? [11:08] didrocks: oh, this is upstream? [11:08] pitti: some part is [11:08] then, I have to pay a lot of icecream to vuntz :) [11:08] didrocks: well, it's the very same translation problem upstream, so perhaps vuntz wants to change it there as well? [11:08] vuntz: icecream at FOSDEM? :) [11:09] pitti: no, the multiple backend is ours [11:09] fallback* [11:09] pitti: the thing is that the current implementation was compatible with the "only one fallback approach", the reference won't [11:10] (the fallback message is ours as well) [11:10] didrocks: so, if it's too complicated, then just having _1, _2 etc. is okay for me as well [11:10] let's try that, I've to coordinate with unity2d people to change their .session file format as well [11:11] in that case it's at least much easier to update the existing .po files as well [11:11] but I think the named ones and giving an order looks most elegant [11:11] yeah, let's try to do the right thing © now [11:11] so, references + naming [11:11] looking at it now [11:30] mvo: is the reviews server down? Im getting failed to submit review (im wondering if its a bug or just that the server is down) [11:43] pitti - tb-locales is good to go for lucid btw [11:43] chrisccoulson: ooh, thanks! [11:43] i haven't tested maverick, i don't have a maverick install and vbox isn't working on natty [11:43] serves me right for switching from kvm to vbox ;) [11:43] maverick isn't that urgent [11:44] micahg said he wanted to bring it up in today's xubuntu meeting === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [12:02] fagan: hm, there is a new version that got installed today, maybe that has a problem? [12:02] fagan: let me test [12:03] fagan: I get a error too [12:04] fagan: could you check if you have /tmp/sc_submit_oops*.html ? [12:04] fagan: and if, mail it to me (privately) [12:14] fagan: confirmed, fix is (almost) ready === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:33] didrocks: is it supposed to be that unity_support_test -p gives me a "The system can run Unity" but when I actually try it compiz bails and complains about missing texture_from_pixmap? [12:34] mvo: sorry wasnt looking at chat so you dont need my /tmp/sc...etc file [12:34] fagan: no, all good and bug isoltated [12:34] fagan: rollout will take a bit though :/ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann [12:35] cool [12:35] incidently reviewing apps with only a single review or with no reviews should work still [12:35] it just breaks for len(reviews) > 1 [12:35] mvo, no it's not [12:36] mvo, open a bug ;-) [12:44] pitti, that's another jockey bug having some recent duplicates: bug #702596 [12:44] Launchpad bug 702596 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError in on_linkbutton_licensetext_clicked(): 'GtkUI' object has no attribute 'current_driver_name'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702596 [12:46] woah, xchat is giving me really funny artifacts now for the scrolling text, looks like it forget to repaint/clean parts of the screen [12:46] seb128: will look, thanks [12:46] pitti, thanks [12:46] mvo, intel? [12:46] mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/707236 [12:46] Launchpad bug 707236 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "corruption in xchat-gnome window" [High,Confirmed] [12:47] seb128: yep [12:49] looks like the freedesktop bug has a fix in git now [12:50] ups [12:50] we should get the ubuntu-x guys to do backporting to natty [12:50] and I should stop doing ctrl-W in xchat-gnome [12:52] I have a look now [12:52] haha, oneline === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ [13:37] Sweetshark: hi boern! welcome to the ubuntu rockstar team. where are you based in hh ? [13:39] Hi asac! Hamburg-Hamm (right next to the Horner Kreisel ...) [13:39] oh nice ... i am living in Neustadt now [13:40] Sweetshark: ooo ? [13:40] or rather libre now iirc [13:41] well, I was part of the OOo team here in Hamburg. [13:41] Sweetshark: did you previously work in the ooo development team here in HH? or is that just a coincident? [13:41] hello asac, how are you? [13:41] cool. thats what i thought [13:41] asac, read your emails? ;-) [13:41] seb128: i set up a redirect, but now i notice that i had another filter for the mailing lists so they didnt come through :/ [13:41] asac, he wrote that in the email he sent earlier ;-) [13:42] seb128: seems i was able to guess that without email ;) ... telepathy [13:43] ;-) [13:43] Sweetshark: are you an original Hamburger? or moved here at some point? [13:44] * mterry notes that there's nothing like breaking nm-applet to get ya to fix a bug fast [13:45] heh [13:48] seb128: I applied the patch from upstream now, lets see [13:48] mvo, ok [13:48] mvo, let me know how it goes ;-) [13:49] asac: I am a "gebuertiger Hamburger" (<- looks strange in english), but not a "geborener Hamburger" in the strict definition (my grandparents where not born here already). [13:49] seb128: looks good so far, no issues in the lsat 3 minutes, I will upload [13:49] mvo, \o/ [13:50] Sweetshark: heh. didnt know that grandparents are required for that ;) [13:50] * asac learned something new [13:50] gehh [13:50] I had no idea about this either [13:51] Sweetshark: anyway, welcome on board. if you have any questions or want to complain about seb128 and other rude geeks here in this channel, feel free to ping or call me ;) [13:52] asac: well, wikipedia says parents are enough: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiddje [13:52] you german weirdos! [13:52] asac: thanks! [13:52] hehe [13:52] hey kenvandine [13:52] seb128: you heard the sirens yesterday -- "ze germans are coming" ;) [13:52] hey guys [13:52] but i am sure you will love this [13:53] hey kenvandine, good morning [13:53] howdy [13:53] "You will be assimilated!" [13:53] Sweetshark, I don't need sirens, I'm close enough from the border to watch ;-) [13:53] Sweetshark, it's didrocks what had those :p [13:53] what -> who [13:53] seb128: "close enough from the border to watch" ahah :) [13:55] Aren't you guys all loving each other in the EU anyway? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:08] anyone who can help me with a linksys wrt54g wifi router .... getting bad wlan transfer speeds [14:08] i am not getting regular wlan speeds while transferring files across my comps [14:08] facing the problem on win xp and on ubuntu... whats wrong with the wifi router?? .. any idea [14:20] didrocks: ice cream at fosdem? Yes! [14:21] :) [14:21] so easy to get patches in gnome-session :-) [14:21] didrocks: only if there's enough ice cream [14:22] vuntz, lut [14:22] seb128: wie geht's? [14:23] vuntz, sehr gut danke! [14:23] vuntz: what flavor? :-) [14:23] didrocks: heh, we'll see [14:23] vuntz, und dir? [14:24] seb128: finally a proof of your true nationality! [14:24] ;-) [14:24] I knew it! [14:24] let's pretend that didn't happen [14:24] it was someone else on my keyboard [14:24] * didrocks logged [14:35] seb128, we have a fix for dup messaging menu entries and clearing out the setup entries [14:36] kenvandine, those were the same issues? [14:36] kenvandine, tedg: do you plan tarballs today? [14:36] it's still being reviewed [14:36] but i've been testing it since last night [14:36] works fine [14:36] i could also distro patch it [14:36] great [14:37] let me know if you want me to test as well [14:37] kenvandine, well, today is thursday [14:37] yup [14:37] so tarball day? [14:37] hopefully [14:37] tedg, ? [14:37] seb128, do you know when it would be ok to start uploading stuff? [14:38] * kenvandine has a few things queued up :) [14:38] kenvandine, check with pitti, but it doesn't seem they will respin [14:38] I would upload non disruptive changes now [14:38] but that's only me, I tend to not be a nice citizen with freezes :p [14:38] likelyhood of a respin is very low indeed, let me ask [14:38] kenvandine, seb128, Yeah, I need to check on the reviews, but if all is good we can do tarballs. [14:39] like mvo uploaded the intel damage issue fix [14:39] tedg, ok great, check with chrisccoulson as well he has a libdbusmenu crash fix in the work it seems [14:39] yeah, i'm still looking at that [14:40] chrisccoulson, now is time to get things in the review queue if you want to make the weekly tarballs [14:40] Cool! Loving all the great fixes. Thanks #ubuntu-desktop! [14:40] chrisccoulson, wasn't the fix ready? [14:40] tedg, ;-) [14:40] seb128 - i managed to make it not crash, but i'm not sure i've fixed the real problem yet. i'm still doing some digging so i know i understand what is going on [14:41] chrisccoulson, try maybe getting ted to review your fix to see if it makes sense for him or not [14:41] just to share opinions on the issue [14:45] kenvandine, btw are those fixes solving the g-s-d indicator being not working? [14:46] seb128, i doubt it [14:47] ok [14:47] these fixes are in libindicate, which i think is only used by indicator-messages [14:47] seb128, what was the bug # for that one? [14:47] hey guys, I still have to use unity --reset to get my desktop [14:48] am I doing it wrong? [14:48] rickspencer3, if you are "having to do anything" it's a bug :) [14:48] kenvandine, bug #711749 [14:48] Launchpad bug 711749 in indicator-application "layout indicator items are not being updated and not working" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711749 [14:48] seb128, thx [14:48] rickspencer3, like you get an empty screen on login? [14:49] seb128, correct, except my network connects, and I get notify-osd [14:49] oh, i think didrocks might have uploaded a fix yesterday [14:49] i thought i saw a changelog entry for fixing a crash on login [14:49] rickspencer3: latest compiz should fix it [14:49] well, there are two known crashes [14:49] rickspencer3, k, compiz crashes on start [14:49] (at startup) one is fixed [14:49] rickspencer3, it does the same here [14:49] rickspencer3, you probably get a .crash for it [14:50] kenvandine, there are other crashes at login [14:50] the one I get there is in libstartup-notification [14:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/709380 [14:50] Launchpad bug 709380 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in sn_monitor_context_ref()" [Medium,Triaged] [14:50] thanks guys [14:51] I'll raise the priority btw [14:51] natty is still crash land there [14:51] one test install yesterday gave like 5 crashes during the install with some livecd testing [14:51] then the same amonth in 5 minutes of testing of the installed system [14:52] adding a note that people are getting it with my workaround as well [14:52] but only half of those were unity [14:52] doh [14:52] I was going to say that's I'm glad apport is not on by default but I think it is [14:54] seb128, can you promote ubuntu-geoip and geoclue? [14:57] kenvandine, can do [14:58] seb128, thx [14:58] tedg, lets get indicator-datetime rocking today too :) [15:00] kenvandine, if you have anything using those just upload, I will make sure needed binaries are promoted when needed [15:01] sure [15:01] thx [15:01] yw [15:10] kklimonda, hey [15:11] bcurtiswx, libfolks looks great, is empathy ready for merging too? [15:12] bcurtiswx, if so, please propose the merge [15:12] kenvandine, i need folks to test the build of empathy in pbuilder [15:12] let me give you a hook for that :) [15:12] you can use your pbuilder result builds as a apt repo [15:13] woo, i get to learn something new :D [15:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/562005/ [15:14] bcurtiswx, and you need to set BINDMOUNTS in your .pbuilderrc [15:14] BINDMOUNTS="/home/ken/pbuilder/${DIST}-${ARCH}_result/" [15:15] is mine [15:15] kenvandine, seb128, didrocks: freeze lifted, go wild [15:15] woot! [15:15] pitti, thanks [15:15] wee [15:15] time to break things again, nice! [15:15] * kenvandine goes to blow up the archive :) [15:15] thanks pitti [15:15] * pitti has three branches to upload, too [15:15] thx pitti [15:17] kenvandine, $DIST-$ARCH would come to be just natty.. right? [15:17] natty-amd64 [15:17] for example [15:17] ah, i only have dist.. will edit :D [15:17] if you always build just the default arch [15:17] yeah [15:18] :) [15:18] i build debs for other people on other arches sometimes :) === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:23] Riddell: I just saw that the ubuntu branch of jockey still uses kdesu as workaround for not having policykit; I guess PK works fine on current KDE now? [15:24] pitti: should do yes [15:27] didrocks: _Message -> nice! [15:27] pitti: thanks :) === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [15:42] so. alpha2 isn't looking too bad [15:42] far better than a few days ago :) [15:42] still, longest "know issues" evar! [15:42] mvo, does apt.ubuntu.com work in natty? It tells me I'm not running Ubuntu [15:43] mterry: yeah, I noticed that as well and thought it was my noscript extension [15:43] mvo, I don't think I'm running that [15:44] mterry: are you using Firefox? [15:44] micahg, yeah, beta 10 [15:44] pitti: my networkmanager has an icon again. i'm happy. :) [15:44] mterry: so, the U/A changed, there's a bug open for it [15:44] micahg, cool [15:48] mterry: bug 709125 [15:48] Launchpad bug 709125 in firefox "User agent doesn't include Ubuntu in it so apt.ubuntu.com doesn't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709125 [15:48] micahg, ah cool, thanks === ayan_ is now known as ayan [15:58] kenvandine, why is U1 in the messaging menu, should it not be in the Me Menu, if there at all? [15:59] rickspencer3, because they want to use it for things like "users shared something with you" [15:59] rickspencer3, it will be displaying some messages, this was driven by design i think [15:59] so it will get messages? [15:59] yes [15:59] that makes sense [15:59] so long as they really do that [16:00] that hasn't landed yet though [16:00] kenvandine, can you keep an eye on that, if they don't have anything working by A3, we should pull it out [16:00] but it is in their nightlies [16:00] the example nessita gave me was "someone shared something with you" [16:00] right, I can see the logic [16:00] so long as they actually land something in time to make it robust [16:00] I'd prefer not to be cramming something in there without enough bake time, though [16:00] kenvandine, did you figure why it doesn't get the ">" btw? [16:00] seb128, i can't reproduce that g-s-d bug [16:00] seb128, yeah [16:00] hi all! I'm in the middle of a call but let me give some guidelines [16:01]