=== davidm_ is now known as Guest76572 === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] === davidm_ is now known as Guest29011 === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ === Claudinux_ is now known as Claudinux === Ursinha-bbl is now known as Ursinha === Claudinux_ is now known as Claudinux [11:48] Jo. damn - that one's full :) === davidm_ is now known as Guest32016 === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Guest38445 is now known as xaphir [15:00] mooo [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is NCommander. [15:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:01] who's here? [15:01] * rsalveti waves [15:01] * ogra pretends to [15:01] me too :) [15:02] hello [15:02] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110203 [15:02] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110203 [15:02] * davidm thinks it's too cold [15:02] [topic] Action Items from last meeting [15:02] New Topic: Action Items from last meeting [15:03] [topic] NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co) [15:03] New Topic: NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co) [15:03] c/o (again) [15:03] [topic] Standing Items [15:03] New Topic: Standing Items [15:03] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:03] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:03] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html [15:03] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html [15:03] should we list the alpha 2 items? [15:04] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html [15:04] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html [15:04] I think the wi are all done, but just to make sure [15:04] NCommander: you need to move your wi to alpha3 [15:05] rsalveti: indeed, as qt4-x11 still doesn't work on ARM [15:05] yup [15:05] NCommander, I have also been debugging the Qt issue. Takes time since qt rebuilds are slow. Not sure what the bug is though :( [15:06] anything else on work items? [15:06] janimo: thanks, its appericated :-) [15:06] we should see that we get below 10 items per person on the a§ tracker imho [15:06] *a§ [15:06] GRR [15:06] A3 [15:07] ogra: :-) [15:07] especially rsalveti and me [15:07] yup [15:07] is that the cat on yopur keyboard? [15:07] janimo: want to take another bp? [15:07] :-) [15:07] rsajdok, bp? [15:07] got too many, and still need to debug sgx [15:07] ah blueprint [15:07] yes [15:07] janimo, no, i have no capslock led on the ac100 [15:07] janimo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-arm-n-handle-core-boot-files-update [15:08] rsalveti, ok feel free to assign it to me [15:08] still didn't start, but should be fine [15:08] i'll drop the thin clients spec and am happy to give away the BT remote testing for the mediacenter one [15:08] that gets me on exactly 10 items [15:09] though the build cluster stuff isnt really tied to the release schedule [15:09] the gles porting one is now kind of blocked [15:09] because of the compiz and nux port by linaro [15:09] so it should be easy to work on [15:09] once it's done [15:09] can we do anything to speed them up ? [15:09] ogra, help out with porting I guess [15:09] ogra: nops, need dev work from linaro side [15:10] k [15:10] can we move on? [15:10] from my POV you can ... anyone else ? [15:10] yup, move [15:10] [topic] Unity 2D Status [15:10] New Topic: Unity 2D Status [15:11] still broken on ARm due to qt4 being foobared [15:11] unity-2d MIR was reviewed by mterry [15:11] had a good amount of licensing issues still [15:11] these were fixed and included in the latest package [15:11] so unity-2d itself is fine for main [15:11] the libs arent yet [15:12] two of them are still missing symbols files [15:12] which i plan to have fixed by end of the week [15:12] MIRs are ok beyond that [15:12] so after that fix we theoretically are ready for main inclusion [15:12] i will try to pull it to main but leave it off the images next week [15:12] \o [15:13] and wait for the QT fix [15:13] go ogra for handling this :-) [15:13] (and also hoping that we get a magical fix with 4.7.2) [15:13] ++ [15:13] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:13] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:13] which according to Riddell is due "any minute" (since a week or so) ;) [15:14] .. [15:14] we're now using kernel 2.6.38 for omap 3 [15:14] I fixed one dvi issue we had, patch followed to linux-omap and already integrated at our tree [15:14] there were some issues about responsibilities wrt security updates for lucid and maverick [15:14] so now we have it working fine for beagle and xM [15:14] * janimo somewhow doubts qt 4.7.2 fixes this [15:14] ogra: oops [15:14] for omap 4 no other updates [15:14] janimo, likely not, but one can hope :) [15:15] davidm, was the support matrix discussed with kernel/security ? [15:15] and are they clear which kernels need support and which not ? [15:15] ogra yes [15:15] ++ [15:16] I sent rtg a list of what needs support [15:16] rsalveti, any idea when we get something newer than .35 for omap4 ? [15:16] He forwarded same to the section of the kernel team that does that work [15:16] i guess thats something for the call [15:16] ogra: not atm, still waiting more update from the linaro + ti [15:16] probably [15:16] .38 is looking interesting and will be very late in cycle [15:17] yep :-( [15:17] sigh [15:17] again [15:17] I'm working the issue but it's not pretty [15:17] yeah, we'll see the same thing as maveirck [15:17] late core updates all around [15:18] that costed us sound support last cycle [15:18] :( [15:18] yup :-( [15:18] can I move on? [15:18] yup, nothing else from my side [15:18] go [15:18] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:18] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:19] Release testing went quite smooth. [15:19] No major issues, only a few minor ones. [15:19] Last minute uploads almost clobbered the release image though. [15:19] and no arm realted ones ! [15:19] 'related [15:20] (apart from the muted XM sound) [15:20] Audio controls on panda will also need to be fixed with UCM. [15:20] indeed === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:21] There is audio, but it is difficult to control. [15:21] hey, but we made A2 [15:21] :D [15:21] and pretty smooth this time [15:21] yes we did. [15:21] yup [15:22] nothing else here. [15:22] move [15:23] *yawn* [15:24] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:24] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:24] did you guys start using the new list ? [15:24] new list? [15:24] QT4 debugging continues with another set of build tests [15:24] ogra: ne wlist? [15:24] the one slangasek promotes since the rally [15:25] * NCommander hasn't heard of it [15:25] please make sure to talk to him [15:25] as in mailing list, or list of bugs (porting qurue) [15:25] queue [15:25] NCommander, it was discussed at the rally as well as in last linaro/arm call [15:25] porting queue [15:26] so a set of tags and processes for triaging and fixing armel porting issues [15:26] in LP [15:26] the ftbfs website isnt really close wrt timing [15:26] between linaro and us [15:26] i.e. we didnt have the empathy blocker for A2 on it [15:27] ogra: the ftbfs page is only delaARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:27] even 5h after the build had failed [15:27] yed sometihng like ~30 minutes-ish [15:27] argh [15:27] NCommander, the ftbfs list only gets generated twoce a day [15:27] *twice [15:27] ogra: that was fixed [15:27] with th move to launchpadlib [15:28] in any case the new porting queue as discussed should be used [15:28] with packages taking one day to build it is the perfect sampling frequency :) [15:28] heh [15:28] yeah [15:28] ogra: the new list isn't populated yet, sorry - not much there to use yet [15:28] if you need more info, slangasek can point you to urls and tags [15:28] Coming Soon [15:28] oh, ok [15:28] so until then use the ftbfs site :P [15:28] * ogra hides [15:29] plenty of work on the ftbfs site too (kde!!) [15:29] janimo: i recommend ignoring KDE until Qt is fixed [15:29] Yes, kdelibs needs love. [15:29] blame NCommander, he said all oreal issues were fixed upstream :P [15:29] *qreal [15:29] NCommander, sure [15:29] Missed release this time around as a result. [15:29] GrueMaster: that was intentional due to the qt4-x11 issues [15:30] Until Qt is resolved, KDE is not on my TODO list 10:30:39 < janimo> plenty of work on the ftbfs site too (kde!!) [15:30] I guess upstream introduces new qreal issues when doing a new minor release [15:30] it is release noted [15:30] (ok [15:30] no worries [15:30] this is getting annoying [15:30] * NCommander has to fix his kb [15:30] get a new one ;) [15:30] they dont cost the world [15:30] [topic] 10:31:48 < NCommander> this is getting annoying [15:30] 10:31:53 * NCommander has to fix his kb [15:30] New Topic: 10:31:48 < NCommander> this is getting annoying [15:30] .... [15:31] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:31] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:31] awesome ! [15:31] they rock !!! [15:31] \o/ [15:31] siny and sexy [15:31] *shiny indeed [15:31] nothing else to report atm [15:31] I do [15:31] headless creation postponed after A2 [15:32] so we'll have them tomorrow ? [15:32] ;P [15:32] nm on my news [15:32] :-) [15:32] after, not shortly after :P [15:32] :) [15:32] NCommander, yes? what's the news? :) [15:33] janimo: we'll beat the headless work into the ground ASAP, its at least fairly straightforward [15:33] janimo: you beaAny Other Business [15:33] oh give me a break [15:33] :) [15:33] * NCommander goes to find mallet [15:33] ogra: Pool is frozen. Have to wait until Monday first thing. [15:33] (anything else?) [15:34] GrueMaster, pool? [15:34] debian arch or swimming? [15:34] yes [15:34] :P [15:35] GrueMaster, pull out your swim suit [15:35] will thaw today [15:35] * NCommander hopes its the former as the idea of GrueMaster in a swimsuit scares and confuses me [15:35] so NCommander did you find the mallet? [15:35] Oh, you don't want that. [15:35] anyway, can I move? [15:35] can you type? [15:36] possibly [15:36] [topic] AOB [15:36] New Topic: AOB [15:36] * NCommander has nothing [15:36] other meeting times so we can have persia back ? [15:37] (not serious here, but it seems to be awkward for him to attend atm) [15:37] and i must say i miss him [15:37] meeting wise [15:38] * NCommander thinks it might be easier to move Japan ... [15:38] go ahead [15:38] then to get us all in times that aren't bad [15:38] :) [15:38] though i prefer to have more than 20sqm to live in [15:39] ok [15:39] anything else? [15:39] going once [15:40] twice [15:40] three times [15:40] #endmeeting [15:40] Meeting finished at 09:40. === ayan_ is now known as ayan === davidm_ is now known as Guest59916 [19:00] * charlie-tca is ready [19:01] #startmeeting [19:01] Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is charlie-tca. [19:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] === tremolux_ is now known as tremolux [19:01] this is the regularly scheduled Xubuntu Community Meeting. [19:02] the full agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:02] [TOPIC] Old business [19:02] New Topic: Old business [19:03] [TOPIC] * Xubuntu marketing plans [19:03] New Topic: * Xubuntu marketing plans [19:04] hey charlie-tca [19:04] I have not had any time to pursue this further yet, myself. However, if there are any ideas or someone can take an action to put this together on the wiki, please let us knwo. [19:04] not sure if this is old news already but congrats on being official xubuntu lead :) [19:04] Thanks, highvoltage [19:05] If there is no one to take the marketing plans up yet, I will carry it forward, so we don't lose the basics [19:06] [TOPIC] Team updates [19:06] New Topic: Team updates [19:06] [TOPIC] Packaging & Development [19:06] New Topic: Packaging & Development [19:06] mr_pouit: any updates today? [19:08] okay, I can try. Xfce4.8.1 has a few package updates. all the 4.8.1 packages are mainly bug fixes. [19:09] We do not have an official PPA for Xfce4.8 to add it to Xubuntu 10.10 or 10.04. The individual ppa's available are unofficial by people not associated with Xubuntu or Xfce [19:09] any questions? [19:10] [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing [19:10] New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing [19:10] Testing of the Natty Alpha2 images went great! thanks to knome and j1mc for helping with it [19:11] Any questions for bugs and testing? [19:11] o/ [19:11] Go ahead, micahg [19:11] comments more that questions [19:11] thunderbird-locales in lucid-proposed passed verification, maverick-proposed still needs testing [19:11] I forgot, I am sorry to say [19:12] also, Firefox 3.6.14 (Hardy-Maverick) and Thunderbird 3.1.8 (Lucid and Maverick) are available here for testing: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa, they'll be released next week when Mozilla releases if there are no issues [19:13] * micahg is done :) [19:13] Any help with testing is greatly appreciated. these packages in -proposed are pretty important to get done. [19:14] [TOPIC] Website & Marketing [19:14] New Topic: Website & Marketing [19:14] Any one have an update? pleia2 is not able to make the meeting today. [19:15] [TOPIC] Artwork [19:15] New Topic: Artwork [19:17] ochosi brought up the question of possible generic icons for default applications. [19:17] hi all, sorry i'm late - got stuck at work [19:17] The proposed generic icons for default apps in xubuntu, here is a list, but it's not that *all* of the suggestions have to be accepted or denied, we can also select one or more we like [19:17] welcome, beardygnome [19:18] The icon list is http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:generic_app_icons , inputs are welcome. [19:18] I would propose that we take this to the ML, if there are no objections to doing it that way. [19:20] One icon in particular we need to do something with is Application Finder and Catfish. they use the same icon now [19:20] is there a reason we're replacing icons for apps that should have their own icons? [19:22] to the point of two the same, sure, it gets confusing. Also, ristretto's icon seems a bit ambiguous. We were thinking we might want one that is more "what is that" oriented. [19:23] We are not proposing changing every icon, but there are a few we are looking at. [19:24] When I look at icons like Abiword in Lucid vs natty, the notebook and pen icon in Natty actually made sense to me [19:24] comments and questions? [19:24] i think it might be better keeping the original icons [19:27] that way if people are coming from other distros or os's they will feel more at home [19:27] +1 [19:27] the only issue I have with that is when the user adds both catfish and app finder in launchers, how do they know which is which? [19:27] they match now [19:27] i disagree. accessibility is also keeping the system easy to use for people who never even saw a computer. "photo" tells you that the application is used for browsing photos, "coffee cup" doesn't [19:27] imo that's one of the biggest problems with open source software [19:27] well, launcher vs app icon I think are 2 different things [19:27] micahg: why? they both use the same icon [19:27] however, it would be cool WRT Firefox/TB to use their icons if they're selected and the generics if not [19:28] developers give apps "cool" names and icons which don't make sense [19:30] charlie-tca: I was saying that changing the launcher icon to generic makes sense [19:30] The other question in my own mind is, if we change the icon on the launcher, will it not have to be changed in the menu, also? [19:30] knome has a great point on the coffee cup. I would not ever guess that means a photo or image viewer [19:30] i would say that for well known apps, such as FF and TB we definitely should *not*/ chnage the [19:30] *them [19:31] and GIMP [19:31] As proposed, there are only a few apps in the list right now. It can be expanded as needed, but it doesn't include anything well known [19:31] I think we have to look at the link [19:31] FF, GIMP and TB are all on the current list [19:31] [LINK] http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:generic_app_icons [19:31] LINK received: http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:generic_app_icons [19:32] * charlie-tca slaps head [19:32] You're right! I missed that. [19:33] knome: any comment on those specifically? [19:34] the list is only a draft and a proposal. it's done to gather comments and thoughts. i personally do not have a strong opinion in keeping or losing the branding, but the idea of changing the icons for launchers in panel/menu only sounds good. [19:34] Do you want the comments sent to the ml to keep track? [19:34] what icons do we change atm? [19:35] We use what comes in the icon set in use [19:35] mailing list is okay. [19:35] I can tell you, if you loaded Faenza icons, everything changes, regardless of branding [19:36] o/ (one doubt..) [19:36] yes [19:36] charlie-tca, knome : what icon theme are these icons from? http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:generic_app_icons ? [19:36] vish, i'd suppose elementary, but i didn't work on those icons, so i'm not 100% sure. [19:36] vish, they might also be custom made. [19:37] you'd have to ask ochosi about that [19:37] yea.. since they have been taken from Humanity, mostly copied over.. and if just copied over, they should be attributed ;) [19:38] the the best of my knowledge, knome is right, it is elementary [19:38] vish: that should be taken up with the elementary icon set artist, shouldn't it? [19:39] we'll make sure the licenses and attribution is correct once there is a decision [19:39] elementary and Humanity have some same icons.. and i did some of those icons on that page :) [19:39] charlie-tca: i'm part of the elementary team and am the maintainer of Humanity [19:39] knome: thanks.. :) [19:39] afaik, ochosi is in contact with danrabbit [19:40] Okay, do we need an action for that or will you ask ochosi? [19:40] well, we'll just make sure the attribution is correct if we decide something [19:41] Great. Thank you for doing that [19:41] [ACTION] discussion about generic icons to replace existing brand icons needs to be on ML [19:41] ACTION received: discussion about generic icons to replace existing brand icons needs to be on ML [19:42] added a note of that in the wikipage as well as told ochosi [19:43] Thanks again. You know more of what that is about than I do [19:43] these icons are in elementary-icon-theme I guess, so nothing to worry about attribution… [19:44] And along with the icons discussion, we now a a list of what is happening with gmusicbrowser at http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:natty_gmb [19:44] [LINK] http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:natty_gmb [19:44] LINK received: http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:natty_gmb [19:45] is gmb going to be the new default music player? [19:45] that's what I was wondering too [19:45] mr_pouit: Have we made any decision yet? [19:46] what's wrong with exaile? [19:47] mmh, I think we agreed a few days ago to use it [19:47] I was just waiting for the alpha 2 to be released to include it [19:47] beardygnome: we have a comparison sheet at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Natty/DefraultMediaPlayer [19:47] thank you, mr_pouit. [19:48] Yes, gmb will replace exaile in Natty [19:48] working link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Natty/DefaultMediaPlayer [19:48] We have developers willing to work closely with us to get bugs worked, and specs improved in gmb [19:49] exaile development also seems dead [19:49] thanks, micahg [19:49] [TOPIC] Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2 [19:49] New Topic: Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2 [19:50] We will have a new image for this release. Testing starts the 15th for it [19:50] We also have documentation that is actually for 10.04 in it! [19:50] Anything else on 10.04.2? [19:51] Trying to move along then, running out of time... [19:51] [TOPIC] Discuss default applications to be used in Natty [19:51] New Topic: Discuss default applications to be used in Natty [19:52] Want to tackle this ? [19:52] I believe firefox vs chrome is still there, and lightdm vs gdm [19:52] * micahg thought FF vs chrome was settled :-/ [19:53] am I behind again? [19:53] micahg: which way? [19:53] FF4 fixes the slowness issue in firefox [19:53] FF :) [19:53] not any fantasies [19:53] comments/ [19:53] ? [19:54] i have installed the dev preview of FF$ in maverick and i think it's a big improvement [19:54] on FF3 [19:54] but personally i'm happier with chromium [19:54] beardygnome: I have a testing PPA for the beta releases, ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next [19:54] idk about RAM-usage but i wouldn't make users to switch from familiar and working program to google-slaved app [19:55] micahg: that's where i got it from :-) [19:55] Sysi: eh, nice troll ;] [19:55] chromium is pretty nice and fast i admit, but it's memory hog at least with multiple tabs [19:55] firefox stays then, mr_pouit ? [19:55] (and i don't like it's adblock and noscript addons) [19:56] Sysi: i will admit it's less stable than FF, but i can live with that for the moment. [19:56] i think FF is the better choice for default atm. [19:56] mr_pouit: i put it in offensive way, but it's still think we should take into count [19:56] [AGREED] keep firefox as the default browser [19:56] AGREED received: keep firefox as the default browser [19:57] (-is) [19:57] um, do we have any other apps in discussion besides the login manager then? [19:57] * beardygnome is installing gmb to give it a test drive [19:58] it is nice, from the shimmer website [19:58] i think email-client was decided in the mailing list [19:58] TB? [19:58] iirc [19:58] does shimmer gmb theme work on small screens now? [19:59] i know many people use xubuntu on netbook [19:59] Grab the gmusicbrowser from the ppa for testing. It is greatly improved over the repositories [19:59] https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa [20:00] where's the menu in gmb? [20:00]