[00:45] <genii-around> Meh. the "no one is paying attention to me so I'll threaten to install windows" people really irk me for some reason
[00:45] <jrib> genii-around: yeah...
[00:45] <rww> my stock response is "okay, have fun"
[00:46] <bazhang> he was given a quite comprehensive guide on command line wifi connection
[00:46] <jrib> yeah, sometimes I'll just tell them no one cares what they install, use what works, but if you want help with ubuntu then stick to the discussion of support
[00:46] <gpc> I was tempted to ask how he connects to wifi in command console in windows
[00:46] <genii-around> rww: Probably for the best
[00:46] <bazhang> he could read it, ask questions from it; it doesnt make sense to paste the guide into the channel
[00:48] <genii-around> No one wants to put any work into anything, I think is the main problem. It all has to be easy and someone else does all the work for them.
[00:48] <gpc> what distro does that?
[00:48] <gpc> I want to switch
[00:48] <genii-around> gpc: Hehe, me too!
[00:48] <genii-around> Anyhow I'll stop complaining now
[00:49] <gpc> genii-around: only problem is now I have this logo tattooed on my arm
[00:49] <rww> if their Ubuntu experience is worse than their Windows experience, and they don't have Free software ideology (and most don't in #ubuntu), the only reasonable thing to do is to switch back :\
[00:49] <bazhang> its doubtful they switched in the first place. so not much of a switch "back" needed.
[00:50] <rww> Personally, Windows 7 hates my wifi card, and previous versions need a driver disk for it, whereas Linux has it in-kernel. So...
[00:50] <jrib> genii-around: I like to believe there once was a time when that was not true and I feel that way only because I am getting older, but I fear it's always been that way :/
[00:51] <genii-around> One of the things I like most about the linux mentality is that the more work you're willing to put in, the more rewarding it is
[00:51] <bazhang> that's more the hard work pays off mentality
[01:38] <KB1JWQ> rww: Idoru got him.
[01:38] <bazhang> yes
[01:42] <rww> It's one of those days. I'm going to go read, have fun!
[01:44] <bazhang> what shell are maffw and prolix using?
[01:44] <rww> the one that's listed in their gateway cloak...
[01:45] <bazhang> they both seem to be causing issues
[01:45] <Pici> They're both on the same shell :/
[01:45] <Pici> or shell provider rather
 minimec: my son say i should "are m are f forward slash" , what is that
[01:46] <bazhang> yet he claims to be new to ubuntu
[01:53] <gpc> nice family, the son tells the dad to destroy his install
[01:53] <genii-around> heh!
[01:54] <Jordan_U> Even if they genuinely didn't genuinely know what that meant there is no reason to spell out "are". My guess is troll.
[01:54] <bazhang> yep
[01:55] <bazhang> maffw is giving very odd, evasive answers
[01:55] <bazhang> heh centos
 i called my son and he say i should compile my colonel
[01:59] <Jordan_U> bazhang: From the little I've seen after joining #centos I believe they probably did send him.
[02:00] <bazhang> Jordan_U, still dont see the connection to ubuntu
[02:00] <Jordan_U> I need to leave, but could someone join #centos and confirm / ask them not to do it again.
[02:11] <gpc> evening AlanBell
[02:34] <gpc> Jubelperser is Hoober?
[02:34] <gpc> seems like it
[02:35] <bazhang> doubt it
[02:36] <rww> just the #ubuntu-offtopic oddmagnet at work again, I think
[02:41] <rww> what does "I s n ur lrk" mean
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> rww: I believe it's "I is in your lurk"
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> Which *almost* makes sense.
[02:42] <bazhang> its creepy
[02:42] <rww> im in ur lurk, bein forcibly evicted from ur channelz
[02:43] <hypatia> i couldn't figure out, was he calling me a lesbian, threatening me, or just being obtuse?
[02:43] <hypatia> all of the above?
[02:43] <hypatia> lol.
[02:44] <bazhang> who cares. his last several statements were disturbing
[02:45] <rww> I do. I pride myself on my ability to translate gibberish.
[02:45] <bazhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel
[02:48] <rww> Even Hitler doesn't like Plymouth, I guess.
[03:38] <rww> heh. FloodBot lied and said it quieted me.
[03:38] <bazhang> hehe
[03:39] <rww> I didn't know it PMed. Explains why people apologize to it in PM so often.
[05:16] <rww> heads up that Hoober's online as EndofTimes [~chatzilla@france1.pointtoserver.com]
[05:17] <bazhang> r007 just does not want to let it drop
[05:17] <bazhang> rww, thanks
[05:19] <rww> ... oh for crying out loud.
[05:20] <rww> I told them to stop saying that they're done talking and just stop talking, and they both replied telling me that they're done talking.
[05:21] <Flannel> rww: I am done telling you that I am done telling you that I am done telling you that I am done telling you that I am done telling you that I am done telling you that I am done telling you that I am done telling you that I am done telling you that I am done.
[05:24]  * genii-around 's head explodes
[05:24] <Flannel> genii-around: stack overflow?
[05:25] <genii-around> segfault at least
[05:26] <genii-around> The guy in #kubuntu that can't think for himself isn't helping much either
[06:13] <genii-around> Flannel: I admire your restraint
[06:14] <bazhang> I PM'd him no response yet
[06:18] <rww> I'm beginning to suspect that r007 has a violent allergy to truth.
[06:18] <bazhang> he's been banned/removed before
[06:18] <gpc> much like others with r007 in their nick
[06:18] <Flannel> Well, he's removed himself from the equation, so let's just assume it's over with and get back to ... uh, regularly scheduled programming?
[06:19] <rww> gpc: strange, I don't remember anyone named 5ud0 ever being a problem.
[06:19] <gpc> heh
[06:21] <rww> bazhang: heh, didn't see that the first time I looked in BT.
[06:41] <AlanBell> o/ gpc
[06:41] <gpc> hey AlanBell
[06:41] <gpc> How you doing?
[06:42] <AlanBell> not bad, were you after something?
[06:42] <gpc> I don't mean to be rude but technically you are not allowed to idle in here.
[06:43] <gpc> personally I don't have an issue with you being here
[06:43] <AlanBell> sorry, was in after Garzooka a while back and never closed the window, I will head off now
[06:43] <gpc> no worries and thanks for understanding
[06:43] <rww> The idle policy strikes again!
[06:43] <AlanBell> o/
[06:44] <rww> You need to be more strategic. If you don't have an issue with them being here, then /don't bring it up/ ;P
[06:45] <elky> I find it strange we tend to be nicer about it to complete randoms :(
[06:46] <gpc> I wasn't nice?
[06:47] <rww> You applied a silly policy to remove someone from the room that wasn't doing any harm. The point could be made...
[06:47] <gpc> the policy as I understand it has nothing to do with harm being done
[06:47] <gpc> it has to do with right to be idle in the channel.
[06:48] <rww> which is a silly concept, for various reasons that have been debated ad nauseum without any result in the past :(
[06:49] <gpc> I don't agree with all the rules but I try to apply them fairly to everybody. Troll or person I consider to be a friend.
[06:50] <rww> I apply the rules equally to every one. In this case, I've gone 2.5 months without asking someone to leave #ubuntu-ops, and intend to continue.
[06:50] <gpc> hmm
[06:51] <rww> 2.5 months being the length of time since I started opping ;P
[06:52] <rww> which reminds me, I'm running out of time to do something catastrophically evil that'll get me deopped and save my sanity.
[06:53] <rww> (yes, I have replaced the irritating jokes about getting kicked out of #u-ot with irritating jokes about that. sorry.)
[06:55] <rww> I'm now imagining what #freenode would be like if it was closer to 24/7 op coverage but people weren't allowed to idle there because they might $insert_reasons_for_idle_policy.
[06:57] <KB1JWQ> What I've seen in other op channels is that when you have people idling they start giving play by plays to uninvolved parties.
[06:58] <rww> If they're disrupting the point of the channel, kick them out, just like any other channel...
[06:59] <elky> KB1JWQ, yep, thats why we have our idle policy, so that our reactions to trollfloods weren't cut off by the trollmasters
[06:59] <KB1JWQ> Bingo.
[07:00] <rww> ah, you mean play-by-plays outside of the channel. I thought you meant metadiscussion while people were trying to resolve bans or something.
[07:01] <elky> yes. the logs are there for people who think they need to know what's happening in here. we used to have issues where botmasters would come in here and control their bots while getting bonus kicks by seeing us try stop them and "preempting" our efforts.
[07:03] <rww> perhaps I'm selectively forgetting incidents by accident, but I don't remember the last botflood in #ubuntu that required coordination in here that would be damaged by reducing the log delay from an average of 30 minutes to 0.
[07:05] <elky> rww, this was back before ipv6 was available in large blocks by HE
[07:06] <elky> the main thing was that people in here would check to see when we weren't responding to a decoy incident, and use that as the trigger to unleash the hounds.
[07:06] <elky> So all those 10 minutes without ! o p s being answered? bot/troll floods.
[07:07] <rww> Surely they'd know whether you're responding or not by whether you do anything or not in #ubuntu?
[07:07] <KB1JWQ> Not always.
[07:07] <elky> not really
[07:08] <elky> "incident" is as broad as walking the line & seeing us discuss whether to ban
[07:08] <elky> so all your ryaxnb discussions that didn't show signs in -ot or #u
[07:09] <rww> would be exactly the same, because I am very much aware that he can read the public log files.
[07:10] <rww> heck, having ryaxnb in here so I could poke him outside the main channel but not in PM (he's not reasonable in PM at all) might have actually helped matters.
[07:11] <elky> not quite. you have the lul being 30 minutes. He can't react to a 10minute silence that corresponds directly to an incident if that was 30 minutes ago and you're back from your pee break.
[07:12] <rww> except that idle times are publicly visible through /whois, and we're getting a lot better about having operator coverage all the time
[07:13] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, I figured I'd volunteer during the next recruitment drive on ubuntu-irc@
[07:18] <genii-around> moth_woman in #u, I'm too tired tho
[07:18] <KB1JWQ> Someone want to handle moth_woman?
[07:18] <KB1JWQ> I can if you'd like, but figured I'd get someone nicer. :-p
[07:18]  * genii-around slides Mamarok a tea
[07:22] <Jordan_U> @mark moth_woman
[07:22] <Jordan_U> @mark #ubuntu moth_woman
[07:22] <KB1JWQ> How does mark work?
[07:22] <rww> @help mark
[07:22] <Jordan_U> Now I need to figure out how to remove the first @mark that I messed up...
[07:23] <rww> Jordan_U: I don't think you can.
[07:23] <Flannel> You can't
[07:23] <Flannel> Just ignore it.  Go into BT and comment "ignore this" or whatnot.
[07:23] <Flannel> (that'll mean people won't read the log about it when perusing later)
[07:23] <KB1JWQ> Someone want to gently redirect livingdaylight in #ubuntu?
[07:27] <KB1JWQ> rww: Thanks for that.
 Type !d2nt To Download Diablo 2 D2nt3.42 Mf Bot
[11:51] <bazhang> it prompts a dcc transfer
[15:12]  * popey saw this and thought of nixternal http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/03/bike-weather-in-milw.html
[16:22] <nixternal> popey: we got way more snow than milwaukee here in chicago though. our streets are clean now, but there was no way to ride 2 days ago
[18:42] <Pici> ...
[21:52] <rww> Can someone change alpha 1 to alpha 2 in the /topic of #ubuntu+1, please?
[21:53] <rww> (there are two occurances of it. one URL, and the text next to it)
[21:53] <tonyyarusso> awww, too bad topics can't use ubottu variables
[21:55]  * rww voluntells tonyyarusso to change it ;P
[21:56] <gpc> rww good?
[21:56] <rww> nvm, gpc is speedy :)
[21:56] <rww> yes, thanks
[21:56] <gpc> no problem
[22:01] <charlie-tca> um, we didn't actually announce it yet
[22:01] <tonyyarusso> ha
[22:01] <gpc> rww: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[22:02] <rww> I was lied to by a user! D:
[22:02] <charlie-tca> the only announcement was was by OMG! Ubuntu
[22:02] <rww> gpc: now set it back again and lart jeffwheeler!
[22:02] <charlie-tca> It willl be out within an hour or so, though
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> rww: wait, wait, you believed a USER?  You ARE new at these.  ;)
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> wow, *this
[22:03] <tonyyarusso> Lag is bad.
[22:03] <rww> tonyyarusso: I was in a good mood :(
[22:03] <tonyyarusso> stupid OMG.  Long on exclamations, short on facts.
[22:05] <Jordan_U> Seriously, OMG.
[22:05] <gord> every time anyone mentions omg, [citation needed] them, seriously
[22:06] <rww> gord: [citation needed]
[22:06] <tonyyarusso> :)
[22:08] <rww> Time for another round of "magicianlord asks basic questions about the release times and stability of Debian and Ubuntu!", I guess.
[22:10] <charlie-tca> does he have to do that every day or two?
[22:10] <gpc> yes
[22:10] <rww> If he repeatedly talks about things, it makes them faster.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:11] <rww> This is why his other favorite topic is long circular conversations about the huge speed increases he gets from noatime.
[22:29]  * charlie-tca whispers - do I dare say "It officially released" 
[22:30] <Pici> you may
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Natty Alpha2 officially released - Please see the notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[22:31] <Pici> rww: we typically wait until the release manager gives us the go-ahead, or the email to devel-announce goes out.
[22:32] <rww> I don't see an email on ubuntu-devel-announce. This is obviously a huge conspiracy!
[22:33] <charlie-tca> That is where I got it. Let me get the reference
[22:35] <charlie-tca> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-February/032403.html
[22:35] <charlie-tca> but, rww is right, Even though it went to it, it is not an ubuntu-devel-announce yet
[22:40] <nhandler> Most likely stuck in the moderation queue
[22:46] <maco> "here russian? russian?" "bulgarian!" haha
[23:23]  * rww blinks at etotheipi:#ubuntu's hostmask
[23:36] <elky> rww, did you message him suggesting to get a cloak to cover that crap up?