[00:13] <hggdh> skaet: I am adding natty to the iso-testing bugs I find
[07:30] <ara> good morning!
[09:26] <jibel> Hi all
[09:26] <jibel> Fresh Kubuntu DVDs are available for testing.
[09:46] <jibel> ara, it looks like this is bug 711174
[09:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711174 in unity (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "the application place is often displayed empty (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711174
[09:47] <ara> jibel, thanks!
[09:47] <jibel> ara, and your question about the menu yesterday,
[09:48] <jibel> if you upgrade from maverick there is a menu with application/places/system
[09:48] <jibel> if it's a fresh installation then there is only an Ubuntu icon on the top left corner.
[09:48] <jibel> So there is a bug there in the migration from maverick.
[09:49] <jibel> ara, in 2d fallback mode you should have the global menu enabled.
[09:49] <ara> jibel, OK, thanks!
[09:59] <kidsodateless> hi! just got testing on wubi, but after the installation was finished, ubuntu doesn't boot. I got try (hd0,0): NTFS5
[10:15] <jibel> kidsodateless, Thanks !
[10:15] <jibel> kidsodateless, can you confirm bug 711562 please.
[10:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711562 in wubi "wubi Ubuntu failed to install: phase 2 stops with: Try (hd0,0): NTFS5: (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711562
[10:34] <kidsodateless> jibel, np, confirmed.
[10:37] <jibel> kidsodateless, Great! thx
[11:09]  * pedro_ doing kubuntu dvd i386
[11:17] <jibel> pedro_, Hey, please sync with Riddell is on it too.
[11:18] <jibel> Hey folks, don't forget about 'Run once' test cases for Ubuntu Desktop/Alternate, there are still a few uncovered cases
[11:18] <jibel> Installation Broken Internet
[11:18] <jibel> Non-English Installation Full Network Support
[11:18] <jibel> Non-English Installation Full Network Support & CJK Input
[11:18] <jibel> Non-English Installation No Network
[11:18] <jibel> Non-English Live Session & Installation; Full Network Support
[11:18] <jibel> Non-English Live Session & Installation; No Network
[11:18] <jibel> VMWare Easy Install
[11:23] <pedro_> i can do some non english installs
[11:23]  * pedro_ looking
[12:33] <Riddell> pedro_: are you able to try kubuntu i386 dvd ubiquity and live session?  it doesn't work for me
[12:39] <pedro_> Riddell, live session works fine here, trying the ubiquity install from there now
[12:39] <Riddell> pedro_: ok, I get a kernel panic on start so you're doing better than me
[12:39] <Riddell> maybe I should try on a different machine
[12:40] <pedro_> btw i'm testing on VirtualBox
[12:47] <kamusin> I had yesterday a crashed after marked install to harddisk, however was not reproducible the second time that I booted and load the image (natty alpha 2)
[13:18] <jibel> Riddell, pedro_, do you get a crash of plasma on shutdown of the live session (kubuntu amd64) ?
[13:21] <pedro_> i'll let you know when i finish the install
[13:23] <jibel> pedro_, thx, I'm unable to report it because the session shuts down when I click on send :/
[13:33] <Riddell> jibel: yes
[13:33] <Riddell> pedro_: seems my issue is specific to the hardware it's on
[13:33] <pedro_> ah ok
[13:34] <jibel> Riddell, what's the bug number ?
[13:34] <Riddell> jibel: I don't have one
[13:35] <jibel> Riddell, ok :)
[13:49] <jibel> highvoltage, Hi, are you done with Edubuntu DVD amd64 ?
[13:54] <rlameiro> when are the iso beeing freezed for alhpa2?
[14:05] <jibel> rlameiro, alpha2 is due today according to the release schedule. you still have plenty of time to verify the remaining test cases :-)
[14:08] <rlameiro> jibel, well, on this page it says february 16https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[14:08] <rlameiro> jibel, forget... no it isnt
[14:08] <rlameiro> lol
[14:09] <jibel> :-)
[14:09] <rlameiro> i was looking at the week... shame on me
[14:10] <rlameiro> ohh man
[14:11] <rlameiro> the install just broke my grub
[14:13] <rlameiro> jibel, how do you test isos? VM?
[14:15] <highvoltage> jibel: oops, I answered in -release. yes I marked it as passed now with notes
[14:15] <jibel> rlameiro, VMs and bare metal
[14:15] <jibel> highvoltage, np, thanks for following up.
[14:23] <hggdh> rlameiro: VMs are a good idea, a few installs on bare-metal may help also. But for most VM is enough
[14:24] <rlameiro> hggdh, yes i use vms, but i am testing audio latencys, so i need baremetal :)
[14:25] <hggdh> jibel: finishing up with the server pieces, will jump in on the rest
[14:25] <pedro_> jibel, no crash of plasma here
[14:25] <jibel> pedro_, which arch ?
[14:26] <pedro_> grgr i hate this xchat corruption :-/
[14:26] <pedro_> jibel, i386
[14:26] <jibel> pedro_, thanks. There's definitely something wrong with amd64
[14:27] <jibel> pedro_, the latest intel driver in natty is supposed to fix it (I've not tested it though)
[14:29] <pedro_> jibel, yeah but still doesn't hit the archives (at least for me) :-(
[14:32] <jibel> All, new tests on the tracker: Kubuntu upgrades ! Any volunteers ?
[14:39] <jibel> hggdh, You'll get the first place on the hall of fame again !
[14:45] <kidsodateless> hi jibel, I thought I confirmed the bug 711562 while ago. sorry for that. (due to my poor connection)
[14:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711562 in wubi "wubi Ubuntu failed to install: phase 2 stops with: Try (hd0,0): NTFS5: (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711562
[14:46] <hggdh> jibel: I very much doubt it, with charlie-tca and you around ;-)
[14:47] <charlie-tca> I haven't done much this time
[14:48] <marjo> jibel, cjwatson: re: dvd amd64 on eeepc off of usbstick, i get the same effect as booting from disk, viz. blank screen & no bong heard
[14:50] <jibel> Hey marjo, thanks for confirming. This is mentioned in the release notes and reported in bug 712173.
[14:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712173 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "ubuntu desktop from usb stick freezes when the display switch from plymouth to X (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712173
[14:50] <marjo> jibel: ok, confirmed
[14:52] <jibel> There are still a bunch of 'Run once' test cases for the Desktop images.
[15:14] <moustafa> ping  Is it ok if I borrow 201001-5169 for testing?
[15:16] <pedro_> jibel, FYI the fix for the intel corruption works fine here
[15:18] <jibel> pedro_, Cool, now that you played the guinea pig, I can upgrade ;-)
[15:18] <pedro_> lol
[15:20] <kidsodateless> \quit going home
[15:27] <hggdh> please forgive my ignorance, but is there anything wrong with Ubiquity install? I simply cannot follow the test case (free software), it does not respond as the test expects
[15:30] <charlie-tca> What didn't work right?
[15:30] <charlie-tca> I have Ubuntu 64 alternate I just ran, but can't seem to get a desktop
[15:31] <hggdh> I cannot select F6/free software; mouse vanishes; systems goes straight into live system (many different reboots)
[15:31] <charlie-tca> can't get one in oem either...
[15:31] <jibel> patrickmw, ping
[15:31] <patrickmw> hello, jibel
[15:31] <jibel> patrickmw, I can't get the 'broken network' test case to pass
[15:32] <jibel> the installer fails at the last step
[15:32] <charlie-tca> hggdh: got to select that on the original cd menu
[15:32] <charlie-tca> mouse shouldn't even be working yet
[15:32] <patrickmw> jibel: interesting
[15:32] <jibel> and in the log I have an exception <urlopen error Name or service not known>
[15:32] <patrickmw> jibel: i tried running the entire installer without a connection and I was able to reboot fine
[15:33] <hggdh> charlie-tca: poor me is confused -- the instructions state to fisrt select language, press enter, press f6
[15:33] <patrickmw> jibel
[15:33] <jibel> was it unplugged, disabled, no card ?
[15:33] <patrickmw> jibel: I tried cable disconnected and with no attached card
[15:33] <charlie-tca> compiz crashed on selecting the "start a different session" before gdm
[15:34] <patrickmw> jibel: I believe I was testing ubuntu desktop i386
[15:34] <jibel> charlie-tca, it's working here. Looks like a race.
[15:34] <charlie-tca> and it can't report it because it won't accept a password
[15:34] <jibel> patrickmw, ok I'll try i386 too.
[15:35] <patrickmw> jibel: i will check this out again too
[15:36] <charlie-tca> hm, I will have to delete both tests I started, since I can't seem to make Ubuntu work, hardware and VBox
[15:38] <charlie-tca> jibel: does it count if you have to restart a couple of times to get the desktop? Ubuntu 64 FreeSoftware only
[15:38] <hggdh> charlie-tca: I got it, you press anything on the red/blue/whatever display with the two icons at the bottom
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's it
[15:40] <hggdh> charlie-tca: amazing how only doing server blows your knowledge of desktop installs :-(
[15:40] <charlie-tca> I know that feeling, running Xubuntu and trying to make unity work
[15:42] <hggdh> :-)
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I think I got FreeSoftware to work
[15:48] <jibel> charlie-tca, That's a serious bug.
[15:50] <jibel> charlie-tca, why delete ? If you can't make them work that's a failure.
[15:50] <charlie-tca> yeah, I can't gdm on the oem hardware install
[15:52] <charlie-tca> jibel: don't know how much good it is to report, can't log in to the machine, through the tty even
[15:53] <jibel> charlie-tca, if you start in recovery mode then select netroot, there's nothing useful in the logs ?
[15:54] <charlie-tca> hm, let's try that way. I never thought of it
[15:54] <charlie-tca> There should be a bunch of .crash logs in there
[15:56] <charlie-tca> got it. network-manager and compiz crash logs.
[15:56] <jibel> look at the syslog if there is a segfault from compiz and Xorg.log for a X crash, or $HOME/.xsession for a session start crash.
[15:56] <charlie-tca> thanks, jibel
[15:56] <jibel> Thanks to *you* charlie-tca!
[16:12] <hggdh> charlie-tca: I also cannot make free software work from KVM
[16:13] <charlie-tca> jibel: compiz segfault
[16:13] <jibel> charlie-tca, with alternate only or desktop too ?
[16:14] <charlie-tca>  alternate, I didn't try desktop
[16:14] <charlie-tca> on hardware, too
[16:14] <hggdh> mine goes on to install (desktop), then pops in live CD session (i.e., not installed)
[16:14] <jibel> hggdh, after the install ?
[16:14] <hggdh> but I am not sure this is the ISO or Natty's KVM
[16:15] <hggdh> jibel: yes, after the install should be done
[16:15] <jibel> hggdh, did you unmount the iso before rebooting ?
[16:15] <hggdh> I get to the partition manager, select whole disk, and things go on, until I end in a live CD session
[16:16] <jibel> hggdh, oh ok. this is the ubiquity crash.
[16:16] <hggdh> jibel: do you have a bug #?
[16:17] <jibel> hggdh, bug 710582 ?
[16:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 710582 in yelp (Ubuntu Natty) (and 6 other projects) "webkit crashes on amd64 architecture with SIGSEGV in WTF::OSAllocator::reserveAndCommit() was: webkit does not implement "assert" sanely (affects: 9) (dups: 8) (heat: 82)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710582
[16:17] <jibel> maybe
[16:18] <hggdh> IDK, will have to restart the install to check
[16:24] <jibel> charlie-tca, did you file a bug for the compiz crash ?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> no
[16:25] <charlie-tca> reporting it though
[16:25] <hggdh> jibel: correct, bug 710582
[16:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 710582 in yelp (Ubuntu Natty) (and 6 other projects) "webkit crashes on amd64 architecture with SIGSEGV in WTF::OSAllocator::reserveAndCommit() was: webkit does not implement "assert" sanely (affects: 9) (dups: 8) (heat: 82)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710582
[16:25] <jibel> hggdh and all , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview#Known%20issues
[16:26] <jibel> charlie-tca, could you paste the bugnum once it's done. Thanks.
[16:26] <charlie-tca> sure
[16:26] <charlie-tca> going to bug 712579
[16:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712579 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz segfaulted during restart of Alternate OEM Install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712579
[16:29] <jibel> charlie-tca, could you please do : sudo ubuntu-bug /var/crash/_usr_bin_compiz.29999.crash instead ? that will extract the stacktrace for the retracer.
[16:31] <charlie-tca> I did. It failed
[16:32] <charlie-tca> and I ssh'd it to my other system and tried it there too
[16:33] <charlie-tca> jibel: boot.log shows a fatal error that may the issue. I don't have know for sure
[16:33] <jibel> charlie-tca, attach it to the report then.
[16:33] <charlie-tca> done
[16:33] <jibel> charlie-tca, thx
[16:34] <skaet> jibel, charlie-tca, hggdh - Are there any bugs that need to be added to the TechnicalOverview that you think people will encounter?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> I will look again
[16:36] <jibel> skaet, bug 712546, ubiquity crashes without a network connection.
[16:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712546 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crash with exception: <urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known> if network is disabled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712546
[16:37] <jibel> skaet, and charlie-tca is facing a compiz segfault on alternate installation, I'll try to reproduce once the kde upgrade is done.
[16:38] <skaet> is this one that isn't documented already?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> OEM install?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> looking for it
[16:41] <jibel> skaet, maybe I think that's something like bug 709380 but we have no good trace to known atm
[16:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 709380 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in sn_monitor_context_ref() (affects: 15) (dups: 4) (heat: 84)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709380
[16:42] <hggdh> skaet: on the server side, no others -- the eucalyptus vs. powernap has still to be confirmed.
[16:42] <skaet> hggdh, thanks
[16:42] <hggdh> jibel: 710582 -- the bypass does not work here, I am trying just waiting until file copy is done
[16:43] <charlie-tca> doesn't look the same to me
[16:43] <skaet> jibel, charlie-tca -  let me know if we need to add something to the release notes.
[16:43] <jibel> skaet, sure
[16:44] <charlie-tca> skaet: the only one I see is bug 709380, but the segfault is different
[16:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 709380 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in sn_monitor_context_ref() (affects: 15) (dups: 4) (heat: 84)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709380
[16:44]  * skaet notes that rickspencer3 says that updating to the latest compiz cleaned up some problems for him, but we won't be able to push it into the release at this point.
[16:44] <charlie-tca> I don't think they are the same bug
[16:45] <jibel> hggdh, is there something interesting in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/installer/debug when ubiquity closes
[16:45] <jibel> ?
[16:45] <hggdh> jibel: there is a crash on webkit, and a stacktrace on ubiquity, but I could not copy it
[16:46] <hggdh> it seems libvirt on Natty is having problems with pointer integration
[16:49] <hggdh> OK, waiting until file copy is complete does not help :-(
[16:51] <hggdh> jibel: and /var/log/installer/debug was pretty much empty
[16:53] <jibel> Riddell, Kubuntu upgrade breaks the theme. background is black, and bottom panel doesn't expand to the full screen width.
[16:53] <jibel> hggdh, and what about syslog ?
[16:53] <Riddell> jibel: yeah new wallpaper syndone
[16:53] <Riddell> jibel: do report a bug and milestone to alpha 3 and tag kubuntu
[16:57] <hggdh> jibel: syslog had a crash on libwebkit
[17:02] <jibel> hggdh, that's the webkit crash, that's strange that removing ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu doesn't workaround it though
[17:17] <patrickmw> jibel: i'm looking at the defect you reported about the internet connection test case.  Can you double check the bug id associated to the test?  I don't think the correct bug
[17:18] <jibel> patrickmw, bug 712546
[17:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712546 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crash with exception: <urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known> if network is disabled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712546
[17:18] <patrickmw> jibel: that's more like it
[17:18] <jibel> patrickmw, nice catch :)
[17:19] <patrickmw> jibel: im going to run 4 tests in parallel.  amd64 no nic and cable disconnect. then the same 2 tests with i386
[17:20] <jibel> patrickmw, awesome, you only have 2 hands
[17:21] <jibel> charlie-tca, I can reproduce your issue.
[17:21] <jibel> nautilus is started but no panels
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Thank you, jibel
[17:23] <jibel> charlie-tca, nothing but no crash file :(
[17:23] <charlie-tca> well...
[17:29] <jibel> pedro_, you've tested alternate i386 and didn't get the 'empty desktop' effect ?
[17:30] <patrickmw> jibel: i had it once, but I was unable to reproduce it. is this at first boot?
[17:32] <pedro_> jibel, nope, it worked fine here
[17:34] <jibel> charlie-tca, filed bug 712630
[17:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712630 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Alternate: Empty desktop after installation with 2D fallback (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712630
[17:38] <charlie-tca> that's right, too
[17:38] <charlie-tca> except on my hardware, I did crash, over and over
[17:54] <skaet> charlie-tca, jibel - will add 712630 to the release notes.
[17:55] <patrickmw> jibel: i was able to replicate the network error with amd64.  this error does not occur with the i386 image
[17:55] <charlie-tca> thanks, skaet
[17:55] <skaet> pedro_, jibel, charlie-tca, patrickmw - can you do a quick scan and see if you can spot any others that I should add?
[17:56] <patrickmw> jibel: however, with the i386 images the system does not restart after clicking "reboot now".  i do not see an open bug for this
[17:57] <patrickmw> anyone else see the reboot error ^
[18:00] <charlie-tca> skaet: I did not see any, myself. Looks good from here
[18:00] <skaet> charlie-tca,  Thank you. :)
[18:07] <pedro_> skaet, nothing from here to add
[18:08] <skaet> pedro_, Thanks!
[18:08] <pedro_> you're welcome
[18:13] <patrickmw> skaet; i am reporting a new bug. i will let you now when its done and get you the bug id
[18:14] <skaet> patrickmw, ok please go ahead and add text to the TechOverview for it directly to explain the issue, after you've got the bug entered.
[18:25] <patrickmw> skaet, ok i'm ready.  what is the TechOverview?
[18:26] <skaet> Release notes for alpha 2
[18:26] <skaet> just a sec..
[18:41] <patrickmw> skaet: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview ?
[18:43] <skaet> yup
[18:47] <marjo> ping skaet
[18:47] <skaet> hi marjo
[18:47] <marjo> skaet: in the techoverview
[18:47] <marjo> "When Ubuntu is installed in OEM mode, the initial end-user configuration program (oem-config) will trigger a crash dialog if networking is not available. This dialog can be safely ignored. Post-Alpha 2 CDs will not present this bug."
[18:48] <marjo> what does it mean "Post-Alpha 2 CDs will not present this bug."
[18:48] <marjo> ?
[18:48] <skaet> The bug is fixed according to the developers, but didn't make it into the image
[18:48] <marjo> ah, so fix is available and will show up on post-alpha2 CD
[18:49] <marjo> images, right?
[18:49] <skaet> Yeah, that's probably a better way to word it.
[18:49] <marjo> skaet: ack
[18:49] <marjo> thx
[18:49] <skaet> thank you. :)
[19:24] <Darxus> Does alpha 2 amd64 really not successfully install for *anyone* without a workaround?
[19:27] <highvoltage> Darxus: no, why would it?
[19:27] <Darxus> highvoltage: Why would it successfully install?
[19:30] <highvoltage> Darxus: yes. there's a known bug which we knows makes it uninstallable without a workaround, so it's to be expected that it won't work for anyone without the workaround
[19:30] <highvoltage> s/knows/know/
[19:31] <Darxus> Ouch.
[19:32] <highvoltage> indeed. the show must go on though
[20:04] <charlie-tca> it's alpha2, there will be bugs
[20:29] <Darxus> "Finally, you can force a "2D mode only" with Ubuntu Classic Session (no effect) which has the same interface than the Ubuntu Classic session." - http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha2
[20:29] <Darxus> Should that say "you can force a "2D mode only" with Ubuntu Desktop" (the Unity mode)?
[22:10] <hakimsheriff> hi people