[00:02] <andylockran> yea!!
[00:19] <andylockran> night! xx
[00:23] <HazRPG> popey: :o, wow!
[00:23] <popey> ?
[00:23] <HazRPG> just seen you gmap!
[00:23] <popey> :0
[00:23] <HazRPG> That is epic :P
[00:23] <popey> fun :)
[00:23] <HazRPG> Been meaning to mess around with the gmap API's for a while, how'd ya do it?
[00:24] <popey> i didnt, its someone elses code
[00:24] <HazRPG> popey: Nice :P
[00:25]  * HazRPG tries to work out where he can build stuff...
[00:26] <HazRPG> do the islands form themselves over time?
[00:26] <HazRPG> or are they hand created (sorta speak)
[00:26] <popey> as you walk towards the end of the world it generates more world
[00:27] <HazRPG> nice
[00:27] <HazRPG> Q) How do you use the train?
[00:28]  * HazRPG thinks he's found a spot he can set up camp
[00:30] <popey> nn
[00:30] <HazRPG> ?
[00:31] <HazRPG> popey: As in you nn, or do you mean "Night Night"? lol
[05:11] <HazRPG> Woo! Haz has set up shop in popey land. :)
[05:13] <HazRPG> And I can now stay in my hut and do things instead of logging out when it gets dark xD
[05:14] <Paladine> ?
[05:14] <HazRPG> Oh, minecraft lol.
[05:14] <Paladine> hehe
[05:15] <HazRPG> do you play it?
[05:15] <Paladine> play? haha i wish I had time to play
[05:16] <Paladine> i wouldn't still be up at 5am working if I had time to play :)
[05:17] <HazRPG> heh, makes sense I guess
[05:18] <Paladine> tonight I have ben mostly spending money i can't afford to spend hehe
[05:18] <HazRPG> what is it you do?
[05:18] <HazRPG> heh, I've been playing minecraft, when I should be working on a website :P
[05:18] <Paladine> I am a privacy lobbyist/advocate/consultant/public speaker
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> morning everyone
[05:18] <HazRPG> ah
[05:18] <Paladine> and just paid out the first installment for my masters :/
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> you're up early/late ;)
[05:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :) \o hola
[05:18] <HazRPG> Paladine: nice
[05:19] <HazRPG> oh... not so nice
[05:19] <HazRPG> (I was saying nice to the job title)
[05:19] <Paladine> keeps me very busy
[05:21] <HazRPG> I can imagine
[05:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: argh... how do I find more clay >_<
[05:21] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: No idea.. next to the river?
[05:21] <Paladine> oo I forgot I had a beer next to me :)
[05:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: one would assume so right :/
[05:23] <HazRPG> but I can't find any
[05:23] <HazRPG> Paladine: winner :)
[05:24] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: have you tried the minecraft wiki for hints?
[05:24] <Paladine> yeah cept I should maybe be concerned that I am drinking beer at 5:30am lol
[05:24] <Paladine> although I opened it like 1:30am
[05:25] <HazRPG> have several tabs open about various things xD
[05:25] <Paladine> so i guess it is ok
[05:30] <HazRPG> exactly :P
[05:30] <shauno> wow.  that game's a bit of a timesink.  just looked up to see if it's midnight yet.  err..
[05:30] <HazRPG> yeah its pitch black at the moment in popey's server
[05:31] <HazRPG> I'm hiding in my hut so that I don't get killed
[05:32] <shauno> I tried that, but the green dudes got me anyway.  so I've just wasted the last "couple of" hours on an all-out war against creepers :/
[05:33] <HazRPG> wait, you in popey's server now too?
[05:33] <shauno> nah, just single-player
[05:33] <MartijnVdS> aka "playing with youtself"
[05:33] <MartijnVdS> *r
[05:33] <HazRPG> ;p
[05:34] <shauno> heh
[05:37] <shauno> chasing creepers is quite fun tho.  they drop gunpowder, which turns out to be quiet useful for accidentally destroying hours of work
[05:39] <HazRPG> damn... zombies blew off some of my house somehow!
[05:39] <shauno> that's the ones
[05:39] <HazRPG> now I really need some clay >_<
[05:40] <shauno> the green ones that look like worms with feet.  they hide, survive sunlight, and like to sneak up on you and explode.
[05:40] <HazRPG> so I can build my house out of brick - and not wood
[05:40] <HazRPG> some of it is brick so far... just need more clay
[05:40] <HazRPG> shauno: heh, yeah I noticed
[05:40]  * ball is confused.
[05:41] <MartijnVdS> ball: why? :)
[05:43] <ball> MartijnVdS: I think it has become my natural state of being.
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> ball: Land of Opportunity getting to you? :)
[05:44] <ball> Heh. ...land of Snowpertunity.
[05:44] <ball> I spent most of this morning digging the cars out.
[05:46] <ball> ...and the footpath.  Need to widen the entrance to the driveway too.
[05:46] <ball> I'll work on that in the morning, perhaps.
[05:46] <Paladine> you moved to US ball?
[05:47]  * ball nods
[05:47] <ball> It seemed like a good idea at the time.
[05:47] <Paladine> what on earth possessed you to do that?
[05:47] <Paladine> where abouts are you?
[05:48] <Paladine> where abouts are you ball?
[05:49] <ball_> Illinois.
[05:49] <MartijnVdS> ball: run more CPU-intensive tasks
[05:49] <Paladine> oh well it could be worse, you could be working for google ;)
[05:50] <MartijnVdS> ball: melt yourself out :)
[05:50] <HazRPG> ^^,
[05:50] <HazRPG> Paladine: What would be wrong with working for google? Good pay from what I hear, and awesome benefits.
[05:51] <Paladine> haha
[05:51] <Paladine> if you knew me you would understand why i found that funny :)
[05:51] <HazRPG> fair enough :P
[05:51] <MartijnVdS> Paladine: you applied and they didn't hire you?
[05:51] <HazRPG> shauno: there's not enough "day time" in this game :/
[05:51] <Paladine> no, I don't apply for jobs, I turned them down
[05:52] <Paladine> 2x
[05:52] <HazRPG> seriously? You turned down a job a google?
[05:52] <Paladine> yes, 2
[05:52] <HazRPG> Surely if they wanted you, then they clearly thought you were bright enough to be there - they only hire the smartest of the crop.
[05:53] <Paladine> but I didn't want to work for them
[05:53] <HazRPG> why not, if you don't mind me asking?
[05:54] <Paladine> I have filed multiple legal complaints against Google, for me to take a job off them would be rank hypocrisy
[05:54] <HazRPG> ah
[05:54] <Paladine> I work in privacy - Goole + Privacy don't mix lol
[05:54] <Paladine> Google
[05:55] <HazRPG> true
[05:55] <HazRPG> I should probably put torches around my house :/
[05:55] <Paladine> I have friends who work for them though
[05:56] <Paladine> and i meet Google peeps frequently
[05:56] <Paladine> in fact we did a google tech talk in mountain view just a couple of months ago
[05:56] <Paladine> although it was my directors not me
[05:56] <HazRPG> random
[05:57] <shauno> HazRPG: I went a little overboard, but I solved my creeper problem :)  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/2011-02-03_05.51.03.png
[05:57] <Paladine> tech talks are like Google internal mini conferences for staff
[05:57] <HazRPG> shauno: haha nice :P
[05:58] <ball> Sorry about that. I fell off the Internet.
[05:58] <Paladine> actually just last week i was in brussels speaking at a conference and Google's new policy person in Brussels gave me her card - i was like "Don't tell anyone you gave me this, you will get fired..." lol
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> ball: time to dig out the telephone wires
[05:59] <ball> MartijnVdS: Not much point, I'm having the service disconnected tonight
[05:59] <Paladine> so ball what you doing out there in illinois then?
[06:00] <ball> Hmm, -13C now, -23C forecast low for tonight
[06:00] <ball> Paladine: I live here.
[06:00] <MartijnVdS> they have C over there?
[06:00] <Paladine> yeah but what work you doing there?
[06:00] <ball> MartijnVdS: Not by default, but if you work in science or do anything global...
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> ball: .. or are sane ;)
[06:01] <ball> Paladine: Nothing interesting, sadly.
[06:01] <ball> MartijnVdS: Exactly ;-)
[06:01] <ball> http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Bradley&state=IL&site=LOT&lat=41.1472&lon=-87.8557&unit=1
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> ball: last time I was in the US I was surprised at the number of things that have liters on them
[06:01] <Paladine> I was supposed to be in Cali on 12-15th of this month, but we cancelled
[06:03] <MartijnVdS> Paladine: you didn't want to be frisked by US security?
[06:04] <Paladine> no the conference were being cheap about travel/hotel
[06:04] <Paladine> they wanted one of our directors but too busy so i was gonna go instead
[06:05] <Paladine> still, kinda glad, i have too many trips coming up as it is without flying out to cali and back
[06:05] <Paladine> still recovering from Brazil in december
[06:06] <Paladine> 5 trips coming up between now and mid march
[06:09] <HazRPG> shauno: I wish that stupid spider would leave the entrance to my house :/
[06:09] <HazRPG> managed to put some torches outside of it though - so its not that bad, just a pain cos they stand next to the trees nearby when it gets light
[06:10] <shauno> spiders are docile in sunlight
[06:11] <HazRPG> how'd ya mean?
[06:11] <shauno> they don't attack during the day (unless you attack first).  it's just at night that they get the munchies
[06:12] <HazRPG> oh, that'll make so much more sense xD
[06:15] <HazRPG> make it light again :/
[06:16] <HazRPG> shauno: do you use glass at all in your buildings? Or do you find them being randomly destroyed?
[06:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2011 Announced! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/03/community-leadership-summit-2011-announced/
[06:21] <shauno> I use a lot of glass.  it's pretty fragile, so don't use it anywhere you expect the green dudes to explode
[06:21] <shauno> but I've been digging a large mining shaft straight down, so a glass roof makes lighting it much easier  (during the day ..)
[06:24] <shauno> (altho since I discovered TNT, the 'shaft' is more of chasm :D)
[06:30] <HazRPG> haha
[06:31] <HazRPG> hmm, any idea how far down you can dig, before you hit water?
[06:37] <shauno> I didn't hit water :)  there is unbreakable rock a good ways down tho
[06:42] <HazRPG> argh!
[06:42] <HazRPG> damn exploding green zombie things!
[06:48] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> morning AlanBell
[06:51] <AlanBell> o/ Paladine
[06:51] <Paladine> yo
[06:52] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Mornin \o
[06:53] <Paladine> hows things AlanBell ?
[06:54] <AlanBell> not bad, customer meeting this morning then back to the cloud expo at the barbican
[06:54] <AlanBell> then on to a swanky reception at the design museum
[06:55] <AlanBell> how are things in the privacy world?
[06:55] <Paladine> there was a good panel on the cloud at CPDP conf in brussels last week
[06:56] <Paladine> keeping me busy as usual :)
[07:00] <Paladine> AlanBell,  just launched our new site on thursday so have new blog :) https://www.privacyinternational.org/blogs/alex
[07:22] <screen-x> morning :)
[07:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o/
[07:23] <screen-x> That's one way to start the day TheOpenSourcerer :)
[07:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Been up for 1 1/2hrs already - just about to go and: Get cash, smokes, then some rather tortuous train and tram journeys organised and car parked.
[07:24] <screen-x> where are you off to?
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mitcham, the central london.
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> And I need a poo.
[07:25] <screen-x> heh
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> ttfn.
[07:31] <livingdaylight> morning
[07:31] <screen-x> \o livingdaylight
[07:35] <daubers> ~Morning
[07:35] <screen-x> user not found
[07:35] <daubers> :(
[07:36] <screen-x> its ok, daubers, you do exist really.
[07:37] <daubers> Hooray!
[07:38] <daubers> Need to go to the office and examine a new chassis, see if it'll do for a new product, then head to the open source expo
[07:38] <screen-x> How was your trip to the BBC?
[07:38] <daubers> Very productive
[07:38] <screen-x> Good good, got a potential contract with them?
[07:38] <daubers> Got a very busy month now building them what they want
[07:38] <screen-x> :)
[07:39] <daubers> So looking forward to a weekend away before things get beyond manic
[07:41] <screen-x> Cool, hopefully we'll see you on Sunday :)
[07:42] <daubers> \o/
[07:51] <HazRPG> ...minecraft is a bad game (addictive-wise) T_T, think its bed time now... morning/nite all
[07:51]  * HazRPG waves
[07:51] <screen-x> wow, if you haven't been to bed yet, its definitely bed time!
[07:51]  * screen-x is on tomorrow
[07:54] <livingdaylight> guys: sorry to ask a technical question so early in the morning: I have this recurring/persistent/annoying issue with Ubuntu on shutdown/reboot.
[07:54] <livingdaylight> everytime I go to reboot or shutdown I get a dialog informing that a Program is still running... I can't identify the program?  I get it even if I've just had a clean reboot and not used any applications yet
[07:54] <livingdaylight> It says: A program is still running: Unknown Not responding - Waiting for the program to finish. Interrupting the program may cause you to lose work.
[07:55] <livingdaylight> Here is output to ps auxww : http://pastebin.com/fK7zmt5c
[07:55] <screen-x> livingdaylight: gord suggested that is to do with compiz
[07:55] <livingdaylight> I've got htop running but don't know how to identify the culprit
[07:56] <livingdaylight> screen-x, yes, I remember. I re-installed all compiz in synaptic, but problem persists
[07:56] <livingdaylight> what is the fix?
[07:56] <screen-x> (2011-02-03 07:54:47) livingdaylight: It says: A program is still running: Unknown Not responding - Waiting for the program to finish. Interrupting the program may cause you to lose work.  <-- is that the exact text of the error message?
[07:57] <livingdaylight> yes
[07:59] <livingdaylight> screen-x, http://img193.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1sz.png/ my desktop with said error dialog
[08:00] <livingdaylight> thank you
[08:00] <screen-x> bug 455238
[08:03] <livingdaylight> screen-x, thank you
[08:03]  * livingdaylight goes to uninstall tangerine
[08:05] <livingdaylight> it still does it!
[08:06] <screen-x> I couldn't find a bug related to compiz and logout, but there must be one..
[08:06] <screen-x> poke around launchpad..
[08:07] <livingdaylight> having removed tangerine, would I need to reboot for changes to take full effect?
[08:07] <livingdaylight> (maybe/hopefully)
[08:07] <screen-x> livingdaylight: you may need to kill it.
[08:07] <screen-x> uninstalling a package doesn't necessarily kill it's processes.
[08:07] <livingdaylight> i'd happily murder it; how?
[08:08] <screen-x> "pkill tangerine" should do it
[08:08] <screen-x> or pkill -9 tangerine if that doesn't work.
[08:08] <screen-x> haha
[08:09]  * screen-x wonders what he killed
[08:09] <screen-x> (she/it)
[08:15] <livingdaylight> screen-x, thank you... All is well again :)
[08:15] <screen-x> livingdaylight: great :) what was the issue in the end?
[08:16] <livingdaylight> tangerine... and it's processes just needed killing off after the removal
[08:17] <livingdaylight> Anyone use AdobeAir? every other day it pops up with an update - amazing
[08:18] <screen-x> livingdaylight: maybe you should comment on that bug incase it isn't obvious to other people.
[08:19] <livingdaylight> that a further killing off of tangerine processes is required after removal?
[08:19] <screen-x> yep
[08:19] <livingdaylight> ok
[08:22] <czajkowski> morning all
[08:22] <livingdaylight> done
[08:23] <livingdaylight> czajkowski, haro!
[08:23] <screen-x> morning czajkowski :)
[08:42] <DJones> Morning all
[08:53] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:59] <livingdaylight> hello DJones  | MooDoo
[09:04] <screen-x> is MooDoo a filter?
[09:04] <DJones> Hang on, Have I been piped into MooDoo ?
[09:04]  * screen-x decides not to ask what DJones stdout is..
[09:05]  * MooDoo shudders
[09:06]  * DJones judders
[09:10] <kazade> morning
[09:10] <kazade> popey, I assume the new MC tower is your handywork? :)
[09:11] <drt494245> Hello, my friend and i want to play chess over the internet, is there any software available?
[09:12] <MooDoo> drt494245: freechess.org?
[09:13] <screen-x> drt494245: you could play irc chess :) http://irc-chess.sourceforge.net/
[09:17] <drt494245> ok
[09:21] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:21] <MooDoo> wintellect: morning
[09:35] <JamesTait> Gooooooooooooood morning #ubuntu-uk!
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I'm more worried about his stderr
[09:36] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: haha
[09:36] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Its not showing is it
[09:37] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: but its ok because stderr wasn't redirected.
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: 2>&1
[09:40]  * dwatkins is really beginning to dislike Samba and LDAP
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: 't is the path to enlightenment
[09:41] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I wish it were, it's just making my blood boil at the moment, and all I'm trying to do is join a domain :'(
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: net join foo?
[09:42] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: yeah, tried that, no joy
[09:42] <dwatkins> The error implies there's a duplicate name on the network, but there ain't.
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: maybe it thinks some machine with your machine's name is already in the domain
[10:00] <dwatkins> yeah, I'm changing the name and trying again, MartijnVdS
[10:00] <screen-x> \o/ deed-poll to fix samba problem
[10:00]  * dwatkins grins
[10:01] <popey> kazade: me and bigcalm
[10:01] <dwatkins> I just wish Samba was as easy to use as any old winders machine, and yes I know what I'm saying.... ;)
[10:01] <popey> kazade: I went to the top of yours and put some stuff there to make a glass walkway
[10:01] <kazade> glass...
[10:01] <kazade> oops
[10:01] <kazade> I started on a wood one!
[10:01] <kazade> :(
[10:02] <kazade> hmm, I'll put glass either side of the wood, we can always replace it later :)
[10:02] <popey> nvm :)
[10:02] <kazade> it's hard building outwards
[10:02] <kazade> I've died so many times falling off
[10:02] <popey> hold shift when you walk, you wont fall off
[10:02] <kazade> oh!
[10:02] <kazade> do you know where I can find some lava?
[10:04] <screen-x> What are the grey columns in the forests?
[10:05] <screen-x> oh, I think they're just a different type of tree.
[10:06] <gord> i think at this point we need to rename the channel to #minecraft-uk
[10:06] <dwatkins> I was just thinking the same, gord ;)
[10:07] <popey> kazade: there's a hot tap
[10:07] <popey> there is #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :)
[10:08] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[10:08] <popey> pip pip
[10:08] <screen-x> hooray!
[10:08] <nigelb> pip: error: No command by the name pip pip
[10:08] <nigelb> ;)
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: CP/M
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_Interchange_Program
[10:09] <screen-x> The program 'pip' can be found in the following packages:  * pip * python-pip
[10:10] <kazade> popey, you can't harvest running lava
[10:10] <kazade> I tried :(
[10:11] <dwatkins> Sounds painful.
[10:11] <kazade> hmm, looking at the map there is some above ground in the snow area
[10:11] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: Ah.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> reminds me
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> I need to poke my dad to set up his old CP/M machine :)
[10:12] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: that won't run minecraft ;-)
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertec_Superbrain
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: but it IS cool
[10:12] <nigelb> I agree with the cool bit
[10:13] <screen-x> its a dual-core iMac :)
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: from 1979
[10:16] <popey> kazade: oh yeah
[10:18] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:19] <nigelb> hello s-fox
[10:19] <nigelb> You've shortened your nick name
[10:19] <s-fox> Hello nigelb
[10:19] <s-fox> It is for consistency
[10:23] <nigelb> I belive folks will find this entertaining. http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/02/03/bnp-relocates-to-india-in-bid-to-cut-costs/
[10:26] <MooDoo> nigelb: i almost believed it then :)
[10:26] <nigelb> MooDoo: hehe
[10:29] <MooDoo> nigelb: and it wasn't the site that made me curious it was the photo, it looked photoshopped :)
[10:29] <DJones> Thats quite entertaining
[10:31] <Mez> What a horrid thought.  I've now been at my job for two years
[10:32] <MooDoo> Mez: ?
[10:32] <dwatkins> Mez: I was in my last job for 9 years.
[10:32] <Mez> I'm not too sure what you're asking there.
[10:33] <MooDoo> sorry might have come in halfway through a conversation :)
[10:33] <Mez> dwatkins: It's more of a point of today is my anniversary here..
[10:33] <MooDoo> Mez: congrats :)
[10:33] <dwatkins> gz, Mez :)
[10:33] <MooDoo> Mez: oct 1st is my 5 year one :)
[10:34]  * Mez reflects back over what he's done in the 2 years he's been here.
[10:34]  * DJones has been in his job for 2 months
[10:35]  * MooDoo wants a new one :)
[11:01] <screen-x> \o/ xdg-open
[11:02]  * screen-x should have know about that before..
[11:02] <kazade> MC is very buggy :/
[11:03] <kazade> half of my bridge has "vanished" so I threw some stone onto where it should be, now I'm watching that stone repeatedly fall, then reappear in front of me, then fall... etc.
[11:03] <Laney> yeah that happens :(
[11:03] <Laney> usually fixed by disconnecting and reconnecting
[11:03] <popey> exit, reconnect
[11:03] <kazade> yeah, that worked
[11:04] <popey> you get gaping holes in the map
[11:04] <kazade> I've also noticed that sometimes an entire side of that tower disappears
[11:04] <popey> yeah, you're on a border between chunks
[11:04] <popey> how do you start the client?
[11:04] <popey> and how much ram do you have? :)
[11:04] <rickogden> hi all, I'm getting a weird problem
[11:04] <kazade> double-click the jar and um, probs about 2G
[11:04] <popey> heh
[11:05] <gord> its a long standing multiplayer bug now
[11:05] <popey> java -jar -Xmx2048M -Xms2048M -jar foo.jar
[11:05] <rickogden> I have a file, I ls it and it's there (complete with execute permissions), I try to execute it and get the error "no such file or directory". Has anyone come across this? I think the filesystem is broken
[11:05] <gord> its kind of annoying but nothing you can do apart from restart
[11:06] <popey> kazade: be nice to have a train track between towers :)
[11:06] <popey> a monorail! :D
[11:06] <screen-x> rickogden:  ./ ?
[11:06] <popey> (in the sky)
[11:06] <rickogden> screen-x: yes
[11:06] <gord> rickogden, are you sure the file isn't a script attempting to execute another file that it can't find?
[11:06] <kazade> good idea ;)
[11:06] <rickogden> it's a compiled executable
[11:06] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/current_day.png ooo i see it
[11:06] <screen-x> rickogden: ldd ?
[11:06] <popey> kazade: hope ours is a similar level
[11:07] <kazade> popey, yeah, me too!
[11:07] <rickogden> screen-x: what do you mean?
[11:07] <popey> kazade: i counted yours as about 60 blocks high, by counting the windows
[11:07] <MooDoo> hehe yes that's cool
[11:07] <kazade> that map is old popey
[11:07] <kazade> the bridge is now nearer your tower than mine ;)
[11:07] <Laney> that is one long bridge
[11:07] <kazade> infact, I can't see my tower, but I can see yours
[11:07] <popey> heh
[11:07] <gord> (maybe we shouldn't let minecraft talk get in the way of support) =\
[11:07] <popey> sorry
[11:07] <kazade> #mc-ubuntu-uk ?
[11:07] <screen-x> rickogden: run ldd executable to see if all required libs are there
[11:07] <kazade> :)
[11:07] <rickogden> ok will do
[11:07] <popey> kazade: #ubuntu-uk-minecraft exists
[11:09] <rickogden> screen-x: comes up with "not a dynamic executable"
[11:09] <screen-x> so it doesn't need any external libs
[11:09] <rickogden> nope
[11:09] <screen-x> could use strace to see what its trying to open.
[11:09] <rickogden> it runs on another very similar machine absolutely fine
[11:10] <screen-x> Is there to extract all images from a PDF?
[11:10] <gord> rickogden, its not adobe air is it? i remember that happening to me with adobe air, never fixed it though
[11:10] <screen-x> ^a way
[11:10] <rickogden> nope
[11:10] <rickogden> it's a small c application
[11:10] <rickogden> that runs fine on one machine
[11:11] <rickogden> but on the other it doesn't throw an error it claims it doesn't exist when it's executed
[11:11] <rickogden> (but it does exist in the filesystem)
[11:12] <gord> rickogden, can you run "file <filename>"
[11:12] <rickogden> "launcher: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped"
[11:12] <gord> screen-x, there are bunch of cli tools called pdf2<thing> in the repo's they can convert, not sure about extract though
[11:12] <rickogden> admittedly it's a 64 bit system, but it runs on the other 64 system fine
[11:13] <screen-x> dynamically linked ??
[11:13] <screen-x> weird that file should disagree with ldd
[11:14] <gord> rickogden, lets make sure you have the 32bit deps installed, to run 32bit applications apt-get install libc6-i386 lib32gcc1 lib32z1 lib32stdc++6 ia32-libs
[11:15] <rickogden> gord: looks like I don't, installing now
[11:15] <rickogden> ahah! But the other system does!
[11:16] <rickogden> gord: I think that's done it, thanks!
[11:16] <screen-x> :)
[11:17] <rickogden> thanks gord and screen-x :)
[11:17] <gord> :)
[11:18] <popey> yay
[11:18] <popey> back to minecraft ;)
[11:19] <screen-x> yay xpdf-utils includes pdfimages, which claimes to be able to extract images from pdfs :)
[11:21] <rickogden> I have to say though, what a weird error message
[11:21] <screen-x> yeah. Do find and ldd agree about dynamicness now?
[11:22] <rickogden> linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf7795000)        libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7617000)      /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7796000)
[11:23] <screen-x> Good.. so just have to try and rember that when find and ldd disagree it may be a 32/64bit issue.
[11:24] <rickogden> yeah will do
[11:24] <rickogden> I still say it's an unhelpful error message (and completely misleading)
[11:24] <rickogden> I honestly thought it was a corrupt filesystem
[11:25] <screen-x> pdfimages works brilliantly :)
[11:28] <dr5t4924> Hi, can someone help me find a command line to play songs in a directory (and subdirs) randomly with mplayer
[11:28] <dr5t4924> I tried mplayer -shuffle $(find .)  , but then mplayer intereprets every word as a song, not line
[11:29] <screen-x> dr5t4924: find . -print0 possibly?
[11:30] <czajkowski> popey: I think you've a new addiction problem
[11:30] <MooDoo> czajkowski: +1
[11:30] <MooDoo> :)
[11:30] <screen-x> czajkowski: what was the previous one?
[11:30] <czajkowski> have you seen his coffee runs twitpics :)
[11:30] <screen-x> ah yes
[11:30] <czajkowski> all that coffee he says it s for co workers I don't beleive it
[11:30] <screen-x> haha
[11:31] <MooDoo> hi i'm moodoo and i'm addicted to coffee and minecraft :)
[11:31] <screen-x> #ubuntu-uk-minecraft-addicts-anonymous
[11:32] <MooDoo> screen-x: damn you......:) i had to go look :)
[11:32] <czajkowski> oh a MooDoo
[11:32] <screen-x> MooDoo: haha, maybe you should start it ;-)
[11:32] <MooDoo> czajkowski: bonjour my sweet :) beat a davmor2 yet?
[11:33] <MooDoo> screen-x: go look :)
[11:33] <MooDoo> lol
[11:33] <czajkowski> nope not left Aldershot yet
[11:33] <czajkowski> gonna head up about lunch time
[11:33] <dr5t4924> screen-x: nein, but i got it now thnx
[11:33] <MooDoo> czajkowski: give him a punch for me will ya :)
[11:33] <czajkowski> eh no
[11:33] <screen-x> dr5t4924: what was the solution? I'm always getting stuck with quoting issues..
[11:33] <czajkowski> less of the violence please
[11:34] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i did only mean a playful hello how are you type.....ok ok a hug then
[11:34] <screen-x> MooDoo: if that's how you great friends...
[11:34] <screen-x> *greet
[11:34] <dr5t4924> screen-x: i got two in #mplayer
[11:34] <MooDoo> screen-x: i don't have friends
[11:35] <dr5t4924> screen-x: zsh -c 'mplayer -shuffle ./**/*'
[11:36] <dr5t4924> screen-x: and find . > playerlist.list ; mplayer -playlist playerlist.list
[11:39] <screen-x> dr5t4924: I forget that ** exists. It works in bash after shopt -s globstar
[11:45] <dr5t4924> screen-x: thnx, and how do i turn off globstar btw?
[11:46] <screen-x> dr5t4924: -u for "unset"
[12:02] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/615/detail/  oh we now have more people signed up but also avatars beside names
[12:09] <s-fox> Ohh, pub and rugby =)
[12:09] <terran> czajkowski: will I wear an Irish jersey or would I be attacked for doing so?
[12:11]  * s-fox might be able to make it, though I am not English or Irish :)
[12:11] <jpds> London is nowhere near Rugby.
[12:12] <czajkowski> terran: not at all
[12:13]  * MooDoo might just wear his harlequins jersey :)
[12:13] <terran> czajkowski: but what about when we win?
[12:13] <terran> Can't trust these Ubuntu folk :p
[12:14] <danfish> a hoy hoy!
[12:14] <MooDoo> terran: i abuse czajkowski on a daily basis regarding ireland getting trounced, although i do seem to recall promising to buy her a drink if we loose....
[12:14] <terran> when
[12:14] <terran> when you lose
[12:15] <MooDoo> terran: ahem ;)
[12:15] <MooDoo> is this two beers i'm going to have to buy ;)
[12:15] <czajkowski> MooDoo: I'm trying to bring some Irish friends along
[12:15] <terran> I might do the same
[12:15] <czajkowski> I suggest you behave now or it'll get expensive for you
[12:15] <MooDoo> czajkowski: awesome :)
[12:15] <czajkowski> Sorcha and davisc are coming along
[12:16] <terran> I haven't seen Sorcha since FOSDEM two years ago
[12:17] <czajkowski> shes started her phd
[12:19] <terran> oooh
[12:19] <terran> fancy
[12:20] <s-fox> £17.00 for train tickets =)
[12:20] <MooDoo> hmm i better sort out train
[12:21] <czajkowski> terran: aye electronics
[12:21] <czajkowski> she needs to have a live demo read for LA  in August
[12:21] <terran> czajkowski: where is she doing it?
[12:21] <czajkowski> LIT
[12:21] <s-fox> Mind you, that is one way... /me checks return
[12:24] <s-fox> £37.00 for the round trip.  Blah
[12:25] <MooDoo> s-fox: 52 for me
[12:25] <MooDoo> :(
[12:26] <terran> round trip to London?
[12:26] <s-fox> To that I add approx £40.00 in taxi...
[12:26] <MooDoo> yes
[12:27] <terran> A whole £15 for me including unlimited underground zones 1-6 travel
[12:27] <MooDoo> terran: i'm in nottingham
[12:27] <MooDoo> train then tube....
[12:27] <terran> freaking love Nottingham
[12:28] <terran> Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem is one of my favourite bars of all time
[12:28] <MooDoo> yay ubuntu-uk field trip to nottingham :)
[12:28] <MooDoo> terran: next time your up, give us a bell :)  trip and salutation and a few beers :)
[12:29] <terran> last time I was there I went to Trip followed by Reflex
[12:29] <terran> the 80s club
[12:29] <terran> :D
[12:29] <s-fox> terran, Oh Nottingham isn't so far from here. Maybe 35 miles
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/nottinghamscience :)
[12:30]  * diplo likes Nottingham bars and ladies as well
[12:30] <MooDoo> s-fox: where are you?
[12:30] <diplo> Ye olde was the first place i visited
[12:30] <MooDoo> i'm sensing a ubuntu night in nottingham is coming up :)
[12:31] <terran> Can we start the night in Bugman's Bar?
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> diplo: because it's down the road from the train station? :)
[12:32] <MooDoo> lol
[12:32] <MooDoo> i work about 10 mins from the train station and about 5 from the trip :D
[12:33] <diplo> heh and my hotel
[12:33] <terran> I got a delicious burger and a really good pint of Guinness in Bugmans Bar
[12:33] <diplo> Well I'm up for it next time I visit Headoffice
[12:33] <terran> plus how often do you get to drink in a place with an Orc head mounted on the wall
[12:34] <MooDoo> lol haven't been to games workshop in ages :D
[12:34]  * MartijnVdS works about 30 minutes from East Midlands airport (= 30min from Amsterdam airport ;)
[12:35]  * MooDoo lives 10 miles from notts and just down the road from the castle :)
[12:35] <MooDoo> nottingham has a great beer festival in oct....you'll all have to come to that :D
[12:36] <MooDoo> http://www.nottinghamcamra.org/
[12:36] <MooDoo> :D
[12:36] <s-fox> MooDoo,  I am currently living halfway between leicester and coventry
[12:36] <MooDoo> s-fox: ah not that far then
[12:40] <gord> sometimes, just sometimes. i middle click the "new tab" button in firefox. never feel clever doing that
[12:52] <shauno> wow.  trees are a lot more flammable than I expected.
[12:52] <popey> heh
[12:52]  * popey invites shauno to #ubuntu-uk-minecraft
[12:54] <directhex> are mines more craftable than you expected?
[13:02] <Daviey> popey, is minecraft good then?
[13:03] <popey> oh hai Daviey :)
[13:03] <popey> yes
[13:03] <directhex> just don't confuse it for a game
[13:03] <Daviey> it's like crack is it?
[13:03] <popey> a tiny bit
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> Minecrack
[13:03] <Daviey> hmm
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> \o Daviey btw
[13:03] <Daviey> popey, Have you lost your job over it yet?
[13:03] <directhex> it's more like farmville than simcity, tbh
[13:03] <Daviey> MartijnVdS, o/
[13:04] <popey> heh, no
[13:04]  * Daviey ponders if it's worth €14.95...
[13:05] <popey> whatever it is, it's fun, IMO
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: does it work on intel gfx?
[13:05] <popey> no idea
[13:05] <Daviey> it's java isn't it... write once, run anywhere! :)
[13:05] <popey> write once, debug everywhere
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> Daviey: sure it'll run.. but will it be 3D-accelerated :)
[13:06] <Daviey> MartijnVdS, oh - 3D is overated.
[13:06] <popey> tempted to buy a second copy for the kids
[13:06] <popey> well, two more copies
[13:07] <directhex> write once, don't run on dual-monitor setup due to lwjgl bugs
[13:08] <Daviey> WOW... have you seen how much money he's made from it?
[13:08] <popey> i would imagine some millions
[13:08] <popey> given how many people have bought it
[13:09] <directhex> profit = income - costs
[13:09] <Daviey> 15 million pounds based on some back of cig packet calcs
[13:09] <Daviey> and #10K per day
[13:09] <popey> it was cheaper
[13:09] <Daviey> and ##0K per day
[13:09] <popey> its not always been 15EUR
[13:09] <Daviey> keyboard fail.
[13:09] <Daviey> ah
[13:10] <Daviey> still.. he's making a good daily bread.
[13:10] <directhex> plus, the profits from the game also need to fund development of the next game
[13:10] <popey> or not
[13:11] <popey> quit whilst ahead :)
[13:11] <popey> although he has said they're working on another game
[13:11]  * Daviey wishes he earned  10K per day.
[13:11] <popey> i have already bought two copies
[13:11] <popey> i gave one to a nephew
[13:11] <Daviey> popey, fancy buying one for me? :)
[13:12] <directhex> minecraft is an unusually successful game, but it's not all veyrons for notch
[13:12] <directhex> the industry isn't that simple
[13:13] <Daviey> popey, check out http://www.minecraft.net/buy_gift_codes.jsp :)
[13:14] <AlanBell> o/ Daviey
[13:16] <Daviey> hello AlanBell !
[13:18] <AlanBell> we got the CDs sorted in the end, I went to Millbank and grovelled
[13:18] <AlanBell> and the show is pretty dead so we haven't used many
[13:18] <czajkowski> heh
[13:19] <czajkowski> heard it's pretty bad there
[13:19] <AlanBell> one of the bits of swag we have is the official ubuntu book
[13:19] <AlanBell> we were thinking of using this and maybe some other stuff as a prize in an Ubuntu-UK quiz night
[13:19] <AlanBell> there is a channel with a quiz bot in isn't there?
[13:20] <AlanBell> obviously the winner probably doesn't need the book, so it should go to the most ignorant player :)
[13:20] <dwatkins> There's probably lots of them, AlanBell. I know of one retro-gaming channel where a bot asks questions all day long.
[13:20] <AlanBell> I think there is a #ubuntu- one
[13:21] <Daviey> AlanBell, there is
[13:21] <Daviey> good to hear it's ok
[13:21] <MonsterKiller> to start something in a screen you do like: screen <screen name> <command you want to run in screen> ?
[13:21] <Daviey> sad to hear it's quiet
[13:21] <Daviey> i feared it might be after last time.
[13:21] <AlanBell> yeah
[13:22] <AlanBell> more cloud stuff than before
[13:22] <Daviey> AlanBell, Did you look for the hype 2.0 complaint stickers?
[13:23] <AlanBell> who has them?
[13:23] <Daviey> Most companies i thought.....
[13:23] <DJones> MonsterKiller: I just do "screen" in a terminal, press space when prompted, then whatever the command I need to run is
[13:24] <Daviey> In cloud news, i assume you heard that Dell are now shipping UEC?
[13:25] <AlanBell> yes, we saw the press release
[13:28] <AlanBell> popey: czajkowski: will we see you later?
[13:30] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I'm hopint to head to the font thingy
[13:30] <czajkowski> once I figure out where it is
[13:30] <czajkowski> :)
[13:30] <AlanBell> London Bridge tube
[13:31] <AlanBell> waterloo then Jubilee line
[13:33] <czajkowski> did you find your phone
[13:35] <AlanBell> no
[13:36] <czajkowski> :(
[13:43] <AlanBell> they are sending me a new sim and I will find an old handset to use
[13:43] <AlanBell> until June when I get an upgrade
[13:43] <AlanBell> but TheOpenSourcerer tells me company policy means I can't get an iPhone 5
[13:44] <danfish> your conscience means you can't get an iphone 5 ;)
[13:44]  * MartijnVdS watched the Honeycomb event yesterday
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> I want that tablet now
[13:45] <dutchie> market.android.com is scary
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: it's cool
[13:46] <dutchie> it is cool
[13:46]  * MartijnVdS tried it earlier
[13:46] <dutchie> but the lack of requirement to activate and the speed at which downloads start is just terrifying
[13:46] <dutchie> well, until you think about it
[13:46] <popey> AlanBell: you "lost" your streak?
[13:47] <popey> cunning
[13:47] <popey> I'd probably "lose" mine if I had one
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: this is the way it has always worked
[13:47] <popey> Interesting thing I heard that the return rate for Samsung Galaxy S was ~16% vs Apple iPad 2% in the USA.
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: (that's why there was a small delay between clicking "install" and install starting)
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> popey: maybe because apple doesn't accept returns? :P
[13:48] <popey> hahah
[13:48] <popey> (they do)
[13:48] <popey> Steve knows his stuff is perfect, why allow returns?
[13:49] <gord> yeah i think there is consumer laws about that ;)
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> gord: in the UK, yes
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> gord: in the US, not so much
[13:52] <gord> although i don't think comparing return rates of such different products is a valid comparison
[13:52] <popey> when would it be a valid comparison
[13:52] <gord> i think people who get an ipad very explicitly wanted "an ipad" thus not likely to return, whereas people who got a galaxy S wanted "a phone" and thus might not live up to their needs
[13:52] <AlanBell> popey: we have returned a total of three streaks I think
[13:52] <popey> erk
[13:53] <AlanBell> out of two
[13:53] <gord> i think return rates are far too variable for any comparison to be valid, unless it was explicitly "this hardware is broken" return rates
[13:53] <popey> i haven't returned any apple products, and I have 6
[13:53] <popey> although I did lose one on the eurostar
[13:54] <AlanBell> I remember that
[13:54] <Daviey> I've never lost an andorid based product on a eurostar.
[13:54] <czajkowski> Daviey: you also never got off on the wrong stop either did you
[13:55] <Daviey> I have found the apple charger for the laptops to have a few design issues :/
[13:55] <gord> i can't remember the last product i returned, maybe my kindle, but thats because it broke the week i got it... got it replaced more than returned
[13:55] <Daviey> czajkowski, I have often got off at the wrong stop :)
[13:55] <Daviey> Sound on my macbookpro7,1 under natty is less than good at the moment.
[13:56]  * Daviey blames Steve.
[14:00] <DaveMorris> http://2011.beercamp.com/
[14:00] <HazRPG> afternoon all \o#
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> \o hazman
[14:00] <gord> popey, y'know how the alt-tab thing is slow... in the ccsm settings for "static application switcher" under behaviour it has a "popup window delay" set to 0.2, setting it back to 0 makes it snappy for me (although seing others with less powerful computers having slow alt tab still)
[14:01] <popey> well, I'm kinda hosed at the moment, my unity experience has stopped due to no nvidia driver
[14:01] <Daviey> oh good... i just updated X, removing nvidia-current
[14:01] <Daviey> this has a bad feeling.
[14:01] <popey> yes, that
[14:01] <Daviey> hurray!
[14:01] <popey> there is no nvidia-current for the latest x
[14:01] <Daviey> i literally JUST did it.
[14:02] <popey> dont do that
[14:02] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: in case you were curious, it turned-out I should have specified the name of the domain in capitals when using the kinit command.
[14:02] <Laney> always watch what is removed :(
[14:02] <gord> if only we had the osx time machine
[14:02] <Daviey> popey,  tooo late... i even had to use dpkg force, as apt wouldn't let me do it :)
[14:02] <gord> have we not copied that yet?
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: of course! you have to shout at windows boxes to make them do what you want them to do ;)
[14:02] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: heh
[14:02] <Daviey> gord, When is X gonna be good with nvidia?
[14:03] <popey> if only apt had undo
[14:03] <Laney> does time machine cover system components?
[14:03] <gord> Daviey, i have no idea, it works okay for me updated on monday. ask #ubuntu-x
[14:03] <popey> 11:42:04 < yofel> there is NO nvidia driver yet that works with the new xserver, not even nvidias current beta driver
[14:04] <Daviey> gord, pah :)
[14:04]  * Daviey had better not reboot.
[14:04]  * Laney has been using safe-upgrade for ages, and will be until the huge transition he is working on is finished :'(
[14:04] <gord> oh great, i suggest you guys get used to that open source driver then...
[14:04] <Laney> . o O ( when is FF? )
[14:05] <Daviey> Laney, open a vnc session, and i'll open a browser for you and navigate to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule ..
[14:06] <Laney> it was in a thought bubble and therefore rhetorical, but thanks for your politeness
[14:06] <Daviey> Laney, np :)
[14:07] <bigcalm> These low fat super noodles are a bit pants. Ho hum
[14:08] <Daviey> bigcalm, Panter than you expected?
[14:08]  * selinuxium chuckles...
[14:08] <bigcalm> Daviey: I quite like super noodles. But I don't always have the low fat ones. Now I remember why
[14:08] <selinuxium> Hi Daviey
[14:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: when you getting here kiddo?
[14:09]  * bigcalm pulls a pair of boxershorts from between his teeth
[14:09] <DJones> bigcalm: Is it possible to use the words "low fat" ini any other context than "a bit pants"
[14:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski i want a photo of you two together with no bruises please :)
[14:09] <selinuxium> bigcalm, I thought the only difference was that you get less noodles in the diet pack..
[14:09] <Daviey> bigcalm, :(
[14:09] <Daviey> selinuxium, o/
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[14:10] <Daviey> less watts!
[14:10] <bigcalm> selinuxium: same quantity, odd product though
[14:10] <popey> tasteless
[14:11] <popey> watery
[14:11] <popey> much like all diet food :)
[14:11] <popey> also, the nouveau driver is rubbish, it flickers every few seconds
[14:11] <Darael> popey: those two words could describe so much incredibly accurately... not only food, either...
[14:11] <bigcalm> One could say that the skimmed milk that I have in my tea is "low fat". But I likes that
[14:11] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :)
[14:11] <popey> ooo
[14:11] <popey> chai o'clock
[14:11] <HazRPG> I'm hooked on Minecraft now >_<
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Told you so
[14:12] <HazRPG> >_<
[14:12] <HazRPG> I know... >_<
[14:12] <bigcalm> Hehe
[14:12]  * Darael makes mental note not to start playing.  It's clearly not a good idea.
[14:12] <bigcalm> I deleted it as it was getting in the way of work
[14:12] <HazRPG> now that I've got a hut... its all the more addictive, at first I though "this is crap, I'll never build anything fast enough to protect myself
[14:12] <HazRPG> "
[14:13] <bigcalm> HazRPG: If you were really stuck, one could just dig a hole for the 1st night
[14:13] <HazRPG> bigcalm: is that why you have a place that says "claim this house"?
[14:13] <bigcalm> HazRPG: I didn't write that sign. I wrote the one next to it
[14:13] <bigcalm> You're welcome to it if you want it
[14:14] <HazRPG> bigcalm: didn't realise that until after the first 5 or so deaths
[14:14] <popey> i wrote the claim sign
[14:14] <HazRPG> bigcalm: yeah I saw that one too
[14:14] <popey> didnt know whose it was
[14:14] <Daviey> popey, I did run my own nouveau driver for a while... but every kernel upgrade was a PITA
[14:14] <Daviey> i did consider dkms'ing it... then thought... well.. i just hate freedom.
[14:14] <popey> why do we update x without waiting for a driver from nvidia?
[14:14] <popey> or is it us updating that prompts them to update?
[14:15] <Daviey> probably chicken + egg?
[14:15] <popey> yeah
[14:15] <popey> wish they'd just open source the damn thing
[14:15] <HazRPG> ikr :/
[14:16] <bigcalm> Gah
[14:16] <bigcalm> Why do some email clients imbed images into emails rather than attach them?
[14:18] <HazRPG> think it'd be possible to make like a tunnel that goes between two houses underground?
[14:18] <popey> everyone in offices does that
[14:18] <popey> printscreen, new mail, paste
[14:18] <bigcalm> HazRPG: yes
[14:18] <bigcalm> popey: this came from an applemail client. I blame Steve Jobs for everything
[14:19] <popey> ok, cmd+shift+3, cmd n for new mail, drag image from desktop :)
[14:21] <bigcalm> Aha
[14:33] <dwatkins> cmd+shift+4, space, click for just a window, iirc
[14:35] <popey> yeah
[14:35] <popey> most obscure shortcut ever
[14:35] <popey> also, interesting to note that GNOME Shell ships with a built in screencast app
[14:35] <dwatkins> It's one thing I'm very surprised at which Macs are very difficult for, screenshots.
[14:38] <Myrtti> whee, new laptop
[14:38] <Myrtti> sadly, it comes with Ubuntu 9.10 preinstalled
[14:39] <AlanBell> could be sadder
[14:39] <popey> Dell?
[14:39] <Myrtti> popey: yeah, our company work laptop standard issue
[14:39] <Myrtti> AlanBell: in the sense that it could come with Windows, true
[14:39] <Myrtti> otherwise, no
[14:40] <Myrtti> I'll have to nuke the installation anyway, and that's sad
[14:41] <Myrtti> ubuntu 32-bit 9.10 desktop --> xubuntu 64-bit 10.10 alternate with luks
[14:45] <HazRPG> not easy avoiding water underground
[14:45]  * HazRPG building himself a tunnel xD
[14:47] <DJones> HazRPG: How do you _build_ a tunnel?
[14:48] <HazRPG> line the walls with coblestone?
[14:48] <Twinkletoes> Does anybody have experience of bacula and/or recent versions of amanda?  I've been using bacula but it's very complicated (still not sure I'm running it right!) and for the small number of servers I have to backup, a 6GB+ catalogue file is a bit excessive.  Any comments, suggestions or ideas?
[14:48] <DJones> HazRPG: Good answer
[14:49] <HazRPG> DJones: :P
[14:49] <HazRPG> otherwise I would have just said I was digging a tunnel :P
[14:53] <HazRPG> ah crap, didn't count how many spaces to the left I needed to go before I hit water
[14:53] <DJones> Does that mean your tunnel is flooded
[14:54] <HazRPG> not just yet
[14:54] <HazRPG> I saw gravel and thought to myself "hmmm... that's usually near water... I'll fill that back up with coblestone... and go left again"
[14:54]  * popey invites HazRPG to #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :)
[14:56] <HazRPG> popey: ^^, didn't know it was there
[14:56] <screen-x> Twinkletoes: rsnapshot
[14:57] <screen-x> Just had a uknof email saying the final 5 /8s have been allocated, so the IANA pool is now empty..
[14:57] <Twinkletoes> screen-x: Thankyou - looks interesting, reading now
[14:57] <screen-x> Go panic buy water, or get your anti-nat cannons ready.
[14:58] <Neoti|work> yey for ipv6
[14:58] <Neoti|work> lol
[14:58] <AlanBell> did you see the ipv6 song?
[14:58] <screen-x> nope...?
[14:58] <Neoti|work> yes ...
[14:58] <danfish> screen-x: I have a spare ipv4 going. The bidding starts at £50
[14:58] <danfish> ;)
[14:58] <Neoti|work> i personally dont like IP v6... i think they should have just added some oct on ...
[14:58] <Neoti|work> dam it ...
[14:59] <Neoti|work> who wanted to remember a hexdec thing.
[14:59] <Neoti|work> 192.168.200.100 is far more easyer to remember lol
[15:00] <screen-x> danfish: nah, that belongs to your ISP ;-)   It would be good if you could get a single provider independent address, but that would make for _very_ large routing tables.
[15:00] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qYS31SOq6A
[15:02] <danfish> screen-x: nah - it's mine honest and very unique - "127.0.0.1" :P
[15:02] <popey> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls
[15:02] <popey> *shudder*
[15:03] <AlanBell> how the heck did they get that youtube URL and why is popey pasting it here?
[15:03] <popey> haha
[15:03] <popey> its got RMS in it
[15:04] <danfish> why is it I read the bit after the "=" in popey's link as "pube analysis"?
[15:05] <danfish> ...I need to keep taking the tablets
[15:05]  * popey points danfish at AlanBell and around 2 mins ago
[15:05] <danfish> popey: d'oh!
[15:07]  * AlanBell clicks cautiously
[15:07] <AlanBell> oh my
[15:07] <AlanBell> I think I would rather watch what I thought it was going to be
[15:08] <Pendulum> AlanBell: do I want to know what you thought it would be?
[15:09] <screen-x> AlanBell: ipv6 song, very good :)
[15:09] <AlanBell> Pendulum: no, you don't want to know that
[15:10] <dogmatic69> anyone know why the sensors applet does not show my cpu? i3 on a Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2 mobo
[15:10] <dogmatic69> running x86 10.10
[15:11] <AlanBell> shhh shhhh, it's oh so quiet
[15:12] <dogmatic69> :(
[15:13] <popey> AlanBell: you at the expo again?
[15:13] <AlanBell> yes
[15:13] <AlanBell> then on to the font thing
[15:15] <popey> ah
[15:16] <popey> hows the expo today?
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/qePef.jpg
[15:20] <popey> :)
[15:23] <AlanBell> it isn't very busy
[15:24] <AlanBell> if nobody turns up soon I may be forced to install minecraft
[15:24] <kazade> AlanBell, do it!
[15:25] <pauliunx> hi, i have a question: I recently installed lxde (lubuntu) and I'm very very happy with the desktop environment but it has a problem, it has no gui for setting up dual monitors [ BIG desktop ], so what I did was log out, re-load gnome, create the monitor layout with it's monitor gui and then logged out again and logged in with lxde and it works. the only problem is, when I restart my computer and login with my lxde again, the big layout is lost so I have 
[15:25] <pauliunx> i have a radeon 9550 card
[15:26] <popey> haha
[15:27]  * popey points pauliunx at MartijnVdS who knows about ATI cards :)
[15:27] <popey> pauliunx: you probably need to make an xorg.conf
[15:27] <popey> AlanBell: you'll be welcome in #ubuntu-uk-minecraft
[15:27] <pauliunx> popey: yea i found out about that file, no idea how to write it though..
[15:29] <kazade> pauliunx, are you using the official driver (from the hardware drivers section) or the default open source one?
[15:31] <pauliunx> kazade: the default one, when i go to hardware drivers, it says no proprietary drivers were found
[15:31] <kazade> ah ok, then I don't think an Xorg.conf is gonna help you..
[15:32] <pauliunx> i see amd released catalyst drivers for ubuntu 10.4
[15:32] <pauliunx> downloading them now
[15:32] <kazade> pauliunx, wait..
[15:32] <pauliunx> maybe i can set things up over there
[15:33] <kazade> it it's not listed in hardware drivers, it means either a.) your card is no longer supported by AMD or b.) you are missing a package
[15:33] <pauliunx> oh...probably a) then
[15:33] <kazade> pauliunx, just to be sure, make sure "fglrx-modaliases" is installed
[15:33] <kazade> that contains the info of which driver supports which card
[15:34] <kazade> if it's missing, hardware drivers will be empty even if your card isn't supported
[15:34] <kazade> *is
[15:34] <pauliunx> it's already installed
[15:35] <pauliunx> fglrx-modaliases is already the newest version.
[15:35] <kazade> ok, that means that installing the driver from AMD won't work (and may break stuff)
[15:35] <pauliunx> can't I just copy/paste the files that are generating the current layout somewhere to make them permanent?
[15:35] <kazade> apparently lxde has a monitor tool called LXRandr
[15:35] <kazade> sudo apt-get install lxrandr ?
[15:35] <pauliunx> yes, but it only offers turning the monitors on/off and rezolutions
[15:36] <pauliunx> nothing past that, doesn't give the choice of extending a monitor
[15:36] <kazade> I see... it's odd that it's not saving the information
[15:36] <kazade> what you did is supposed to make it permanent, at least for you
[15:37] <pauliunx> hm...i guess lxde and gnome use different files when loading
[15:37] <kazade> they shouldn't do, it's the same underlying technology (xrandr)
[15:37] <kazade> um, perhaps ask the lxde guys?
[15:37] <kazade> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/IRC_Chat
[15:38] <pauliunx> on their forum it says they have no developers who use two monitors :))
[15:38] <kazade> oh... brilliant
[15:38] <pauliunx> alrighty, I'll just leave it at this for now
[15:39] <kazade> and xorg.conf will probably work
[15:39] <kazade> although, it's not *supposed* to be the way to do it :)
[15:39] <pauliunx> don't know how to do it
[15:39] <kazade> some info here: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitors-with-xrandr/2009/06/01
[15:40] <kazade> it's not ideal..
[15:40] <kazade> hmm, pauliunx can you run the gnome monitor config from inside lxde?
[15:40] <pauliunx> it doesn't show up
[15:41] <kazade> run: gnome-display-properties
[15:41] <kazade> either in ALT+F2 (if lxde has it) or from a terminal
[15:42] <kazade> pauliunx, I understand the problem
[15:43] <kazade> lxde is supposed to set your saved mode at login, but apparently it doesn't. So you can add a line to a file called /etc/xdg/lxsession/autostart ...
[15:43] <AlanBell> sladen is here now
[15:43] <kazade> although, the xrandr line will be dependent on your setup :(
[15:44] <kazade> pauliunx, some info here: http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=375
[15:47] <pauliunx> kazade: sorry, got disconnected
[15:47] <pauliunx> yes, i can run gnome-display but it doesn't actually do anything
[15:47] <pauliunx> if I click apply nothing changes
[15:48] <pauliunx> any idea why?
[15:48] <kazade> erm...
[15:48] <kazade> no, that should have worked
[15:49] <kazade> if you run it in a terminal, is there any output (e.g an error)
[15:49] <kazade> ?
[15:49] <pauliunx> two warnings
[15:49] <pauliunx> (gnome-display-properties:1754): Gtk-WARNING **: Ignoring the separator setting
[15:49] <pauliunx> (gnome-display-properties:1754): Gtk-WARNING **: No object called:
[15:50] <kazade> hmm, I dunno :(
[15:50] <kazade> that really should've worked...
[15:50] <pauliunx> could you please give me the xorg.conf link again?
[15:50] <pauliunx> gonna try it that way
[15:51] <screen-x> Things never look quite how I expect them to: http://prt.org/new/html/k.marmite-servers.net.html
[15:51] <kazade> pauliunx, this is useful: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#Using__.24_xrandr
[15:51] <kazade> pauliunx, here's the original link I sent you: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitors-with-xrandr/2009/06/01
[15:52] <kazade> actually, that doesn't tell you what I thought it did
[15:53] <kazade> here we go: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
[15:53] <kazade> that tells you the two methods (xrandr and xorg.conf)
[15:53] <kazade> for "Driver" you want "ati"
[15:53] <kazade> I think... or maybe "radeon" I can't remember
[15:53] <kazade> but definitely not "intel" :p
[15:54] <daubers> o/
[15:54] <popey> AlanBell: give sladen a hug from me
[15:56] <pauliunx> thanks kazade
[15:56] <pauliunx> i'll try that now
[16:10]  * daubers popped into the expo, wasn't very impressed said hello and vanished again
[16:15] <MooDoo> daubers: that good eh?
[16:16] <screen-x> dogmatic69: I got some sensor info by loading the coretemp module
[16:16] <AlanBell> daubers: did you?
[16:17] <daubers> AlanBell: I did indeed :)
[16:17] <dogmatic69> screen-x: i got it going, sensor-detect
[16:17] <AlanBell> daubers: this morning?
[16:17] <daubers> AlanBell: About lunchtime, you had gone to see a customer apparently
[16:17] <screen-x> dogmatic69: sensors-detect didn't find anything for me, had to load the module manually.
[16:17] <daubers> :)
[16:17] <AlanBell> bother, probably just missed you
[16:17] <AlanBell> we got here at lunchtime
[16:17] <dogmatic69> well i just restarted after that
[16:18] <daubers> Ahh, ok
[16:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Update Regarding Usage Based Billing of the Internet in Canada - Government will Reverse CRTC ruling - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/update-regarding-usage-based-billing-internet-canada-government-will-reverse-crtc-ruling
[16:43] <kaushal> Hi
[16:43] <kaushal> I  have a question regarding cron which invokes the shell script at 9am and 9pm
[16:44] <kaushal> How do i handle the situation when the job which is running since 9am has not yet completed
[16:44] <kaushal> till 9pm
[16:44] <screen-x> kaushal: pidfiel
[16:44] <screen-x> pid file even
[16:45] <kaushal> screen-x: not sure i understand that
[16:53] <AlanBell> well everyone is packing up now
[16:53] <AlanBell> think the expo is done
[16:54] <MooDoo> AlanBell: everyone wants to go to the pub
[16:54] <MooDoo> AlanBell: so was it worth it?
[17:05] <screen-x> bother, I keep starting a converstation then getting disconnected and not realising :(
[17:06]  * screen-x slaps bip
[17:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: check out my fb page pic of czajkowski just for you dude :)
[17:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: geotagged too
[19:05] <gurkan_> hi all
[19:05] <gurkan_> how to set the smtp server of my provider in my home's mailrc file i use mailutils 2.1
[19:17] <Baikonur> dunno
[19:18] <gurkan_> dunno
[19:18] <gurkan_> ?
[19:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] AskUbuntu has Gone through the 10,000 Users Threshold - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/askubuntu-has-gone-through-10000-users-threshold
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> IT'S OVER 9000!
[19:24] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[19:25] <pr0ph3t> I need to run this command LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype, but if I add it as a launcher it gives me error, the only way I can run it is typing it onto the terminal
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> how do I create a launcher for that? Should I create a bash script that replaces the skype in /usr/bin/?
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: create a small shell script, then have the launcher launch the shell script
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: shell script can be two lines:
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> #! /bin/bash
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> LD_PRELOAD=etc etc
[19:27] <pr0ph3t> and then make it exec
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> call it "skype.sh", put it somewhere in your homedir, make it executable (you can do this in the "Properties" screen in the file manager)
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[19:28] <pr0ph3t> ok thanks MartijnVdS
[19:31] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, is it chmod 777 skype.sh?
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: 777 is way too much
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> 755 is more than enough.. but I'd recommend just saying: chmod u+x file
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> ("for user add execute")
[19:56] <pr0ph3t> thank you
[20:02] <pr0ph3t_> re all
[20:06] <MonsterKiller> Hey. I tried to change my ubuntu server password and got: passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
[20:09] <MonsterKiller> what does it mean? :/
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> it means either your old password was wrong
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> or the new ones didn't match
[20:44] <xircon-brb> Hi
[20:46] <xircon-st> Just testing my cheapo scroll tablet from maplins
[20:46] <BigRedS> Ooooh, how is it?
[20:47] <xircon-st> Better since I rooted it and installed a different build.prop
[20:48] <xircon-st> You get what you pay for android market worked briefly (manual states it is not supported)
[20:49] <xircon-st> Also better with a cheap nintendo ds stylus
[20:50] <BigRedS> Hmmm
[20:50] <BigRedS> I've been pondering one of those as a sort-of marginally-smart-screen more than a tablet
[20:52] <xircon-st> In retrospect I should have perhaps got a stream of a galaxy but it's OK for the money
[20:53] <xircon-st> Sorry streak!
[20:53] <BigRedS> I did wonder :)
[20:53] <xircon-st> Bloody SwiftKey keyboard still getting used to it
[20:55] <xircon-st> It's pretty good though,  can type fairly quickly good find
[20:56] <xircon-st> There is a very friendly forum looking at an upgrade to2. 2
[20:59]  * MartijnVdS is waiting for that Xoom thing
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> with Honeycomb
[20:59] <xircon-st> Any pricing available yet
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> no
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> well
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> the US price without a plan will be €550ish
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> (after conversion)
[21:03] <xircon-st> Unfortunately $ normally = £
[21:04] <xircon-st> We live in a ripoff world
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> yes
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> same with €
[21:23] <Azelphur> behavioural advertising is funny, it always shows me things I've already bought
[21:23] <Azelphur> it's like anti-advertising.
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> what like Russian brides? :P
[21:49] <brobostigon-andr> Evening evryone.
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon-andr
[21:50] <brobostigon-andr> Hey MartijnVdS
[21:50] <suprengr> o/ brobostigon-andr MartijnVdS
[21:50] <suprengr> are we the only ones not at the 'do'
[21:50] <brobostigon-andr> Hi suprengr
[21:51] <brobostigon-andr> Maybe
[21:51] <brobostigon-andr> I just had a chat with my dad and he has something good for me to work on.
[21:53] <brobostigon-andr> Damn. Battery. :(
[21:53]  * BigRedS isn't at the do
[21:53] <BigRedS> Is this the font thingy you're on about?
[21:53] <brobostigon-andr> No.
[21:54] <brobostigon-andr> My dad his forming his own company and wants me to do the it. :)
[21:54] <brobostigon-andr> IT
[21:54] <MartijnVdS> cool
[21:55] <brobostigon-andr> MartijnVdS: so I need to find dns and a server provider
[21:55] <BigRedS> oooh, handy
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon-andr: gandi.net, gandi.net :)
[21:56] <brobostigon-andr> MartijnVdS: that was my intial thought and then bytemark.
[21:56] <MartijnVdS> they're nice people
[21:56] <brobostigon-andr> That's the impression I get.
[21:57]  * brobostigon-andr is in the pub with his dad,and where he thinks the best.
[21:58] <brobostigon-andr> So this is going to be a lot of work.
[21:58]  * suprengr likes brobostigon-andr's Dad... he has brains ;)
[21:58]  * brobostigon-andr gets everyone a real ale.
[21:59] <suprengr> num num... cheers
[21:59] <brobostigon-andr> :)
[22:00] <BigRedS> mmm, handy
[22:00] <brobostigon-andr> So I might be calling on your chaps and gals for help.
[22:01] <brobostigon-andr> Ok, speak later. When I get home.
[22:02] <brobostigon-andr> Enjoy the beer. :)
[22:02] <suprengr> bfn brobostigon-andr  & ta for the beer
[22:02] <suprengr> [hic]
[22:02] <brobostigon-andr> You're welcome suprengr
[22:03] <brobostigon-andr> Lol
[22:03] <brobostigon-andr> Bbl
[22:03] <brobostigon-andr> Cheers
[22:03] <brobostigon-andr> Iechyd dda
[22:05] <suprengr> & good health 2u2
[22:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jamie Bennett] Linaro 11.05 Alpha-2 Released - http://www.linuxuk.org/2011/02/806/
[22:50] <hamitron> 18 hours downtime for my internet conenction... I got the shakes ;/
[22:53] <Jibadeeha> cold turkey?
[22:53] <Azelphur> this is why I have a phone
[22:54] <Azelphur> redundancy!
[22:54] <Jibadeeha> first question i ask when house hunting is, "can you get broadband?"
[22:54] <BigRedS> I forget there ae houses you can't get broadband in
[22:55] <Jibadeeha> hard to imagine isn't it
[22:55] <BigRedS> Though I have spent the large majority of my life in London
[22:55] <Jibadeeha> London gets everything first
[22:55] <Jibadeeha> even the plague
[22:56] <Jibadeeha> ;)
[22:57] <hamitron> :)
[22:57] <hamitron> I'd not want to live in London
[22:57] <hamitron> too busy, fast and dangerous
[22:58] <directhex> off to brussels tomorrow. i'd better play videogames for 3 hours
[23:00] <hamitron> get the fix? ;)
[23:00] <hamitron> I'm right off comp games after last night
[23:01] <hamitron> got to the 18th race of the season on F1 2010, and I am told my team will not be renewing my contract
[23:01] <hamitron> :/
[23:02] <hamitron> spent about 2.5 hours per race, and got points in a rubbish car, then they tell me that
[23:02] <Jibadeeha> sounds very random
[23:02] <Jibadeeha> all that investment to be told that
[23:03] <hamitron> I was upset, my team mate has no points
[23:03] <hamitron> :)
[23:03] <Jibadeeha> i was playing an old game on Spectrum emulator today, and was surprise how addictive the game was .. was just like old times
[23:03] <Jibadeeha> Sabre Wulf btw
[23:03] <hamitron> and a Lotus in F1, getting 3rd and 6th in 2 races is good....
[23:03] <hamitron> never played it
[23:04] <hamitron> I always liked Millionaire
[23:04] <Jibadeeha> fantastic game, but the keys make it hard Q=left, W=right, E=up, R=down, T=sword
[23:04] <hamitron> :)
[23:05] <Jibadeeha> given your nickname hamitron, i would expect you to be driving a McLaren
[23:05] <hamitron> I have used this nickname for nearly 15 years
[23:05] <Jibadeeha> well before hami in F1 then
[23:05] <hamitron> long before
[23:05] <hamitron> haha
[23:06] <Jibadeeha> hehehe
[23:06] <hamitron> I actually mainly play racing games
[23:06] <Jibadeeha> last F1 game i played was F1 2008 for my old playstation 1 ... was fantastic
[23:06] <hamitron> and find it annoying everyone automatically assumes I got it from that
[23:06] <Jibadeeha> oh not 2008
[23:06] <hamitron> I have Formula 1 '97
[23:06] <hamitron> :)
[23:06] <Jibadeeha> '98
[23:07] <Jibadeeha> man i am getting old
[23:07] <Jibadeeha> time is passing me bye
[23:07] <hamitron> in '98....
[23:07] <hamitron> can you see what the weather is like before starting a race?
[23:07] <hamitron> :/
[23:07] <Jibadeeha> i can't remember
[23:07] <hamitron> I can't find it in F1 '97, and it always ruined it for me
[23:08] <hamitron> starting a wet race on slicks :/
[23:08] <Jibadeeha> i always think 98 was a good year for the sport
[23:08] <hamitron> draw distance on the PS1 was not nearly as good as the PC either
[23:09] <hamitron> was that the year Damon Hill raced for Jordan?
[23:09] <Jibadeeha> i loved F1 when it was Schumi v Hakki
[23:09] <Jibadeeha> yeah Hill and Schumi as well
[23:09] <hamitron> yeh
[23:09] <hamitron> mine has Hill in the Arrows
[23:09] <Jibadeeha> F1 was great back in those days
[23:09] <hamitron> better than now
[23:09] <hamitron> but still not overly great
[23:10] <Jibadeeha> hamitron, you are making me want to get my play station out of the loft
[23:10] <hamitron> :/
[23:10] <hamitron> haha
[23:10] <hamitron> my PS1 is boxed atm, just got my NES setup
[23:10] <Jibadeeha> the graphics were superb back in the day
[23:10] <Jibadeeha> have you tried a PS1 emulator?
[23:10] <hamitron> yes
[23:11] <Jibadeeha> any good?
[23:11] <hamitron> but I have better games for the PC
[23:11] <hamitron> it works
[23:11] <hamitron> but I see console gaming as just a quick and easy, turn on and play when you want kinda thing
[23:11] <Jibadeeha> is it the same speed?
[23:11] <hamitron> having to setup an emulator destroys that
[23:12] <hamitron> erm
[23:12] <hamitron> I think so
[23:12] <Jibadeeha> i agree .. prefer using a console for games
[23:12] <Jibadeeha> i only have a Wii at the moment and a PS1
[23:12] <Jibadeeha> i keep thinking of buying F1 for Wii, but the graphics don't look so hot
[23:12] <hamitron> if I want the trouble of setting up a game on a PC, I play a fully featured PC game :)
[23:13] <Jibadeeha> you ever played Metal Gear Solid
[23:13] <Azelphur> Jibadeeha: why use a console for games when there are so many good emulators out there and perfectly good methods to hook up controllers?
[23:13] <hamitron> no
[23:13] <hamitron> Azelphur: it is effort
[23:13] <Jibadeeha> Azelphur, i only have a netbook :(
[23:13] <Azelphur> it's like A) Buy a Wii, B) Buy a PC that can play Wii, Gamecube, PS2, and anything else you want :P
[23:13] <Azelphur> sell the consoles get a decent PC then :P
[23:14] <hamitron> I bought a PSP to play games while having a dump ;/
[23:14] <Azelphur> the emulators are even open source, it's like christmas.
[23:14] <hamitron> my PC doesn't do it
[23:14] <hamitron> short of bring a bowl here
[23:14] <Jibadeeha> Azelphur, i am not a big game player though to invest much money into it .. i get bored of playing games after about 2 hours ... only F1 games keep me addicted, don't ask why .. perhaps cos i like the sport
[23:14] <hamitron> bringing*
[23:14] <Azelphur> I bought an android phone, I have PSX, SNES, NES, Genesis/Megadrive, GBA, GBC, with about 5k games packed onto the SD card and room to spare :D
[23:15] <Jibadeeha> Azelphur, i do have a ZX spectrum emulator and 3000 games for it from a CD i bought ... love the old games
[23:15] <hamitron> Azelphur: and you reckon that is as easy and relaxing as using a PS2 on a large LCD tv in the living room?
[23:16] <Jibadeeha> i don't want to buy a clunky tower/desktop PC - would rather have a console under the TV
[23:16] <Azelphur> hamitron: no, I was comparing my android phone to the PSP
[23:16] <hamitron> PSP has better controls
[23:16] <Azelphur> hamitron: as for the PS2, I have a far superior setup on my TV in the living room too :)
[23:16] <Azelphur> hamitron: android has any controls you want, you can get attachable controllers.
[23:16] <Jibadeeha> when i had a desktop PC and bought games for it ... there was always the fear of whether the game would perform well on the PC , e..g CPU speed, video card, enough memory, etc ... you don't get that with a console
[23:16] <hamitron> Azelphur: and the cost?
[23:17] <hamitron> ;/
[23:17] <hamitron> got my PSP for £81
[23:17] <Azelphur> hamitron: in my front room I have MythTV. It has a media center with 1.5TB of media/games. Full DVR capability and a couple of playstation controllers hooked up to it :P
[23:17] <Azelphur> hamitron: not bad, I just picked up my mum a psx4droid capable phone for £100
[23:17] <Azelphur> but it was new
[23:17] <Azelphur> i assume your psp wasn't :P
[23:18] <hamitron> no, but mine reads UMD
[23:18] <hamitron> ;)
[23:18] <Azelphur> yours doesn't read microsd :)
[23:18] <hamitron> PSP games don't come on that :/
[23:18] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:19] <hamitron> but I still reckon the feel is better
[23:19] <hamitron> a phone can play games, but not really designed for it
[23:19] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[23:20] <Azelphur> I've played through NFS Shift and most of Gran turismo on my G2
[23:20] <Azelphur> lovin it :P
[23:20] <hamitron> sure it is fun...
[23:20] <hamitron> ;/
[23:20] <hamitron> I'll play RACE 07 with my logitech FF wheel
[23:20] <hamitron> ;)
[23:21] <Azelphur> and I'll play flight gear with my flight yoke
[23:21] <hamitron> can't dot hat on your phone ;p
[23:21] <Azelphur> can't do that on your psp either?
[23:22] <hamitron> true, can't make phone calls either, as it is for gaming
[23:22] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[23:22] <hamitron> I am still a huge fan of the PSP though, feels more modern than even the DS
[23:23] <hamitron> just a shame it is sony
[23:23] <Azelphur> hamitron: I just had an interesting idea
[23:23] <Azelphur> I wonder if you could use an android phone to do virtual reality
[23:23] <hamitron> I liek real reality ;/
[23:23] <hamitron> like*
[23:24] <Azelphur> I'mma try it
[23:24] <Jibadeeha> i wish flight gear would work on my asus netbook
[23:24] <Azelphur> lol it sorta works
[23:24] <Azelphur> I fired up google skymap closed one eye and put the phone in front of my eye
[23:24] <Jibadeeha> as much as i hate M$ ... flight simulator was fantastic
[23:25] <Azelphur> it's really out of focus but it works :o
[23:25] <Azelphur> I'mma try it with layar that'd be sick :o
[23:25] <Jibadeeha> stellarium is good Azelphur
[23:25] <Azelphur> :D
[23:25] <Azelphur> better than sky map?
[23:25] <hamitron> I never could fly planes
[23:25] <hamitron> :/
[23:26] <hamitron> loved the idea of Rowan's Battle of Brit
[23:26] <Jibadeeha> well i like google skymap on my android cos it knows what am i looking at by pointing it
[23:26] <Azelphur> yea :)
[23:26] <Azelphur> that's why I thought it'd be a good test for virtual reality
[23:26] <Jibadeeha> true
[23:26] <Jibadeeha> i love the number of stars in stellarium though
[23:28] <Azelphur> lol, the answer to could an android phone be used for virtual reality is: possibly it's very blurry xD
[23:29] <Jibadeeha> my android phone is too slow for virtual reality
[23:29] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:29] <Azelphur> I have an overclocked G2 :)
[23:29] <Jibadeeha> mine is a hero
[23:29] <Jibadeeha> but not in the true sense of the word
[23:31] <Jibadeeha> do you guys have surround sound?
[23:32] <hamitron> no
[23:32] <hamitron> 2.1
[23:32] <Jibadeeha> same here hamitron
[23:32] <Jibadeeha> i keep thinking of buying a surround system but don't like the idea of so many speakers in my living room and messing about with wires under the carpet
[23:32] <hamitron> amp and speakers cost more than most surround sound systems :/
[23:33] <Jibadeeha> hamitron, do you find when you play DVDs in 5.1 on your 2.1 system that you have to turn the volume up a bit higher
[23:33] <hamitron> I go for sound quality and power, over directions
[23:33] <hamitron> erm
[23:34] <hamitron> no :/
[23:34] <Jibadeeha> oh i find that when playing through my TV speakers ... volume is a lot lower
[23:34] <Jibadeeha> so do you have your TV connected to your amp
[23:34] <hamitron> I have no tv
[23:34] <hamitron> ;)
[23:34] <Jibadeeha> ah lol
[23:35] <hamitron> I sometimes use my parents tv
[23:35] <hamitron> it is just fine with tv speakers
[23:35] <Jibadeeha> i am not impressed with my parents surround sound tv
[23:36] <hamitron> I think it depends what you want from it
[23:36] <hamitron> I never listen to music from the tv
[23:36] <hamitron> I use a hifi for that
[23:37] <Jibadeeha> they got rid of their hifi and now play DVDs through the TV ... not for me ... i have kept my hifi and like all my music to be played through the amp and my technic speakers
[23:37] <hamitron> and as for dvd, most my dvd won't have 5.1
[23:37] <Jibadeeha> a lot of DVDs these days are in 5.1
[23:38] <hamitron> "these days"?
[23:38] <hamitron> ;/
[23:38] <Jibadeeha> "back in the day"
[23:38] <Jibadeeha> lol
[23:38] <hamitron> most my dvd are old war movies
[23:38] <hamitron> haha
[23:38] <Jibadeeha> longest day
[23:38] <Jibadeeha> bridge too far
[23:39] <hamitron> tbh, I bet most are mono :/
[23:39] <Jibadeeha> hehehe
[23:39] <Jibadeeha> Zulu is my fav
[23:39] <hamitron> I don't have Zulu
[23:39] <Jibadeeha> "chin chin old chap"
[23:39] <hamitron> my Dad does
[23:39] <hamitron> :))
[23:39] <Jibadeeha> Zulu is a classic - you got to buy it
[23:40] <hamitron> yeh, I am still looking for a Michael Caine set I like the look of
[23:40] <hamitron> for the right price ofc ;)
[23:40] <Jibadeeha> Italian Job, Get Carter, and Zulu
[23:40] <Jibadeeha> Educating Rita is good though
[23:40] <hamitron> there are so many :/
[23:41] <Jibadeeha> such a good actor
[23:41] <hamitron> I like box sets once the cost per movie is less than £1.50 each
[23:41] <Jibadeeha> i know what you mean
[23:41] <Jibadeeha> they had a Clint Eastwood box set in the supermarket the other day that had about 10 films for next to nothing
[23:42] <Jibadeeha> "come here blondie"
[23:43] <hamitron> I actually bought Fistful of Dollars trillogy all seperate
[23:43] <hamitron> some of my first dvd they were
[23:43] <Jibadeeha> good films
[23:43] <hamitron> £5 each was cheap then
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> "these days" you can pick them up for £3.99, so not bad
[23:44] <AlanBell> evening all
[23:44] <hamitron> I just got all 22 bond movies for £40
[23:44] <hamitron> well, few weeks ago
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> hamitron, amazon?
[23:44] <hamitron> yeh
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> i might copy you on that one
[23:44] <hamitron> it was too good to miss
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> love the bond movies
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> though wife doesn't
[23:44] <hamitron> hi AB
[23:44] <hamitron> :)
[23:45] <hamitron> it is only the single disc case sets
[23:45] <Jibadeeha> "from Russia with love"
[23:45] <hamitron> not the double one with extras
[23:45] <hamitron> but I never watch extras
[23:45] <Jibadeeha> i never rip the extras
[23:46] <hamitron> omg
[23:46] <hamitron> £65 now
[23:46] <hamitron> :/
[23:46] <hamitron> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Collection-including-Quantum-Solace/dp/B00307RT86/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296776745&sr=8-1
[23:46] <Jibadeeha> is that cos John Barry or whatever he is called died?
[23:46] <hamitron> could be
[23:46] <hamitron> dunno
[23:47] <hamitron> it was £65 before xmas
[23:47] <hamitron> I just saw it in sale and had to have it
[23:47] <Jibadeeha> maybe not then
[23:47] <Jibadeeha> the bond movies are the best
[23:47] <Jibadeeha> "odd job"
[23:48] <hamitron> I am trying to resist Test Drive Unlimited 2 :/
[23:49] <hamitron> £25 on pre-order
[23:49] <Jibadeeha> go for it
[23:49] <hamitron> the first one I have, but waited till the price had dropped to get it
[23:50] <hamitron> and loads had stopped playing by then
[23:50] <Jibadeeha> you ever played return to castle wolfenstein
[23:50] <hamitron> yeh, I bought it twice
[23:50] <hamitron> :)
[23:50] <Jibadeeha> think i might buy it and a console that can play it
[23:50] <hamitron> a console?
[23:51] <Jibadeeha> i remember the very first MS-DOS wolfenstein
[23:51] <Jibadeeha> i only have a netbook hamitron
[23:51] <hamitron> I didn't know it was on console
[23:51] <Jibadeeha> oh it might not be
[23:51] <Jibadeeha> will have to check
[23:51] <hamitron> ps2
[23:51] <hamitron> xbox
[23:51] <hamitron> nice :D
[23:52] <hamitron> but gotta use a PC for such games ;)
[23:52] <Jibadeeha> i so want to avoid having a desktop
[23:53] <Jibadeeha> but Wolfenstein could change that
[23:53] <hamitron> won't it play on the netbook?
[23:53] <Jibadeeha> doubt it
[23:53] <Jibadeeha> this thing won't play flightgear
[23:53] <hamitron> but it is a really old game
[23:54] <hamitron> 400mhz cpu...
[23:55] <hamitron> runs on windows 95 :D
[23:55] <Jibadeeha> return to castle wolfeinstein
[23:55] <Jibadeeha> it isn't that old
[23:55] <Jibadeeha> is it
[23:55] <hamitron> yeh
[23:56] <hamitron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Castle_Wolfenstein#Source_Code_Release
[23:56] <hamitron> there is actually a newer one also
[23:57] <Jibadeeha> 2001
[23:58] <hamitron> I used to run it on my K6-2 500MHz with 2 x voodoo2 in sli
[23:58] <hamitron> :)
[23:58] <Jibadeeha> i might buy it then as it runs on Linux
[23:58] <hamitron> need to check that
[23:58] <Jibadeeha> i just assumed it wouldn't work well
[23:59] <hamitron> can maybe download it free, released under GPL
[23:59] <Jibadeeha> let me check