[00:03] <iheartubuntu> no good rail lines nearby really either
[00:04] <iheartubuntu> Pasadena has the gold line coming from downtown LA and its a quick jump from LAX to LA or even LAX to Pasadena
[00:04] <iheartubuntu> how can I get the new ubuntu wiki look on my page?
[00:04] <iheartubuntu> mine still looks like the old style
[00:06] <nhaines> Wait, the booth is going to be for the LoCo and not Ubuntu?  Does SCaLE know?
[00:09] <pleia2> we used the ubuntu california banner last year, was that a problem?
[00:10] <pleia2> and tshirts
[00:10] <nhaines> pleia2: No, but the LoCo was there running the booth to represent the Ubuntu project.
[00:10] <pleia2> well yes, that's what LoCos do :)
[00:11] <pleia2> I don't think there is a problem with using the california banner and giving out info about the team too
[00:11] <pleia2> (I've never heard of this being a problem anywhere else)
[00:11] <nhaines> Well, sure, but the booth was for the Ubuntu project, the LoCo being a subset of that.
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> We did that last year.
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> Handed out LoCo info but, the main focus of the booth was Ubuntu Project
[00:11]  * pleia2 nods
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> I remember answering LOADs of questions RE Kubuntu and KDE
[00:11] <pleia2> nhaines: there is no need to argue about semantics
[00:12] <nhaines> pleia2: with due respect, I don't think that's down to semantics.
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> What's the issue?
[00:12] <pleia2> I don't know
[00:13] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: what's wrong?
[00:14] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: why do you think we are not representing Ubuntu the Project?
[00:14] <iheartubuntu> I mean the entire California Team is all about Ubuntu. I dont see a prob. Its not liek the model railroad group is pushing Ubuntu. The Ubuntu California Team is pushing ubuntu
[00:15] <akk> I I thought so too -- if we're representing ubuntu-california we're representing ubuntu, surely?
[00:15] <akk> Isn't that the point of locos?
[00:15] <pleia2> yep
[00:16] <DarkwingDuck> The Booth is the Ubuntu California Team spreading Ubuntu the Project.
[00:16] <DarkwingDuck> I'm ont sure how you can read anything else in that... I'm a bit confused nhaines
[00:16] <DarkwingDuck> s/ont/not
[00:18]  * kdub_ will start the ubuntu and model railroads group
[00:18] <kdub_> trainbuntu
[00:18] <pleia2> lol
[00:18] <rww> choobuntu
[00:18] <pleia2> kdub_++
[00:18] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[00:19] <pleia2> rww: hahaha
[00:21] <iheartubuntu> dont laugh there is a some train games available
[00:22] <iheartubuntu> choo choo!
[00:22] <rww> openttd <3
[00:22] <kdub_> i've played openttd
[00:22] <akk> There's also an open-source model train controller package available.
[00:22] <akk> Interview on FLOSS Weekly a few months ago. :)
[00:22] <kdub_> i like how the graphics are cpu based, and when you make the window smaller, the game speeds up
[00:22] <iheartubuntu> ri-li is a nice train game for kids
[00:22] <iheartubuntu> like the blue train toy. i forget the name
[00:22] <pleia2> akk: neat! what a nice excuse to get into model trains :)
[00:23] <pleia2> (if I had space, which I don't)
[00:23] <pleia2> I don't use my kitchen for cooking anyway...
[00:23] <iheartubuntu> model train controller? do tell!
[00:23] <akk> iheartubuntu: Search for back issues of FLOSS Weekly. I don't remember the details.
[00:24] <iheartubuntu> ive tried OpenBVE before
[00:24] <akk> But it was an interesting interview, all about the copyright battles he fought when a commercial company tried to steal the GPL source then sue the FOSS project.
[00:25] <kdub_> seems like that wouldnt get very far in court
[00:25] <rww> a good lawyer and money will get you surprisingly far.
[00:25] <rww> see also: SCO
[00:26] <akk> It went for a long time, and cost the folks in the FOSS project a lot of money.
[00:27] <kdub_> yeah, unfortunate
[00:27] <akk> With lawsuits, it doesn't matter if it makes sense, what matters is if the other side can afford lawyers. :(
[00:27] <iheartubuntu> are computers needed for the booth? I might be able to bring a netbook while im available.
[00:31] <iheartubuntu> Ri-Li is addictive. Especially after a beer or two.
[00:54] <pleia2> ah, I misunderstood iheartubuntu's question when I said it was a loco booth
[00:54] <pleia2> I was responding with who was running it, not what the booth was actually about
[00:54] <iheartubuntu> i had a question?
[00:55] <MarkDude> The laptop
[00:56] <rww> iheartubuntu: your wiki account is set to use the old layout. There should be a link somewhere in the top header to change user preferences, I forget what it's called
[00:56] <iheartubuntu> rww - i found out that when im not logged in, it looks like the new layout
[00:56] <rww> (themes are a property of your login, not of pages, so other people will see it in their theme preference or the default one if logged out)
[00:56]  * rww nods
[00:56] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: < iheartubuntu> is the ubuntu booth for ubuntu or is about ubuntu CA?
[00:56] <nhaines> pleia2: thank you for clarifying that.  I appreciate it.
[00:57] <pleia2> my response should have been DarkwingDuck's response: < DarkwingDuck> The Booth is the Ubuntu California Team spreading Ubuntu the Project.
[00:57] <pleia2> I assumed your question was about who was running it, not what it's about (in my head of course it's about Ubuntu, but I guess that's not obvious)
[00:57] <pleia2> nhaines: sure thing :) sorry about that
[00:58] <pleia2> (there have been conferences where there is a Canonical-run Ubuntu booth AND a LoCo run Ubuntu booth, confusion abounds)
[00:59] <iheartubuntu> so there will be other flavors of linux there
[00:59] <iheartubuntu> and ours is the best
[00:59] <pleia2> I know KDE will have a booth, I think Fedora will have a booth too
[01:00] <rww> iheartubuntu: no. Ubuntu has a different focus than most other distributions, and is thus right for a different set of people.
[01:00] <rww> For some people, Debian, Fedora, or even Windows would be a better pick.
[01:00] <pleia2> (long live Debian!)
[01:00] <DarkwingDuck> Gnome will most likly have a booth
[01:00] <iheartubuntu> what is ubuntu's focus compared to other distros?
[01:00] <DarkwingDuck> last year Gnome and KDE handed out Ubuntu and Kubuntu CDs
[01:01] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: easy desktop + debian framework (there is server and cloud stuff too, but I'm still unconvinced, sssshhh don't tell anyone)
[01:01] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[01:01] <iheartubuntu> my ubuntuone never has worked
[01:02] <pleia2> for people who like RPMs more something like Fedora really may be a better option
[01:02] <rww> iheartubuntu: different people will say different things, but imho a polished and easy-to-use experience that's accessible to new users in particular. See
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> I have found that Ubuntu tries to simplify and automate things very very very well
[01:02] <iheartubuntu> i just moved back to dropbox
[01:02] <rww> s/See//
[01:02] <pleia2> I still just have a bunch of rsync scripts going to a colo
[01:03] <rww> I rsync to an external hard drive for backups. Haven't felt the need to put all my stuff online yet.
[01:03] <pleia2> yeah, I do that too
[01:03] <pleia2> desktop > desktop2 > colo in fremont
[01:03] <pleia2> although colo in fremont is much less awesome now than when I was living in philly
[01:03] <pleia2> an earthquake now could take out me AND my offsite backups
[01:04] <nhaines> We have had curious vistors who've never used Linux before pointed to our booth from other distros and really astonished at the positive feeling and lack of "competition" between the distros.  We would do really well to be a part of that.
[01:04] <DarkwingDuck> I write an ISO from my HD and have it on two seperate serves. :)
[01:05] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: +1
[01:05] <pleia2> yeah, we want to avoid the competitive feel as much as possible
[01:05] <nhaines> That's going to be something that really blows away newcomers.  They're used to Microsoft and Apple sniping at each other.
[01:06] <rww> the point of an Ubuntu booth is to showcase Ubuntu. that means saying good things about Ubuntu, not bad things about not-Ubuntu :)
[01:06] <nhaines> Besides, there are so many good things to say about not-Ubuntu (Free and proprietary alike) that we shouldn't waste our time being negative.
[01:06] <nhaines> Remember, SCaLE's theme this year is "Open Source: Rising to New Heights".
[01:07] <erichammond> I just filled out a survey on my happiness with Microsoft products and I praised their keyboard which I am using :)
[01:07] <pleia2> kdub_: your ticket is an exhibitor one now :)
[01:07] <pleia2> I have an IBM keyboard, but my Microsoft mouse is kickin'
[01:07] <pleia2> simple and works great
[01:07]  * pleia2 pets mouse
[01:07] <nhaines> I paid $140 for my wireless Microsoft keyboard/mouse combo.  Nothing wrong with their hardware at all.  :)
[01:07] <rww> I've used Microsoft mice for years and years. Used to use Microsoft keyboards too, but this Logitech one was cheaper last time I needed a replacement...
[01:08] <nhaines> Logitech is also good and last I knew was the base for the Zareason Linux keyboards.
[01:08] <pleia2> oh, after 5, errand time
[01:08] <iheartubuntu> my gateway mouse still works fine. i expect them to go under or get bought out this year
[01:09] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I think those are licensed by Microsoft.
[01:09] <iheartubuntu> it doesnt say on the bottom. feels similar to an ms mouse though. its one of the first optical ones
[01:11] <nhaines> They used to be, anyway.
[01:12] <iheartubuntu> has anyone heard of "geocaching"?
[01:23] <iheartubuntu> t.y. for the pdf pleia2
[02:23] <jedahan> pleia2, MarkDude, any suggestions for a killer bar or place to have dinner with an attraction?
[02:27] <pleia2> unfortunately I am the most uncool person in the city
[02:27] <pleia2> all the places I know about are breweries, and those aren't very datey (unless your date likes beer and pub food)
[02:27] <pleia2> went here with my boyfriend's co-workers once though, it's pretty cool: http://www.absinthe.com/
[02:28] <pleia2> their cocktails are pretty exciting
[02:29] <MarkDude> Northbeach has a few places to go to that are fun
[02:29] <MarkDude> Depends day or night also
[02:34] <jedahan> not for a date, more for a group of people from the hostel trying to fill/find a fun place
[02:34] <jedahan> around 10pm
[02:35] <pleia2> unfortunately the city closes at 10PM
[02:35] <jedahan> -.- :(
[02:36] <pleia2> seriously though, there are plenty of clubs and bars (and strip clubs), but I don't know of much beyond that
[02:36] <pleia2> everything else closes early
[02:38] <MarkDude> Sam Wo is open until 3am
[02:38] <MarkDude> in China town
[02:38] <MarkDude> near Northbeach if you want to walk- or drive
[02:56] <iheartubuntu> pleia2: I should be available for all 3 days
[02:57] <iheartubuntu> All day each day
[02:57] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: cool, the booth is just up sat&sun
[02:57] <iheartubuntu> Ohh ok
[02:58] <iheartubuntu> What's going on Friday?
[02:59] <pleia2> a few talk tracks, just no expo
[03:00] <pleia2> (expo is where our booth is)
[03:00] <jedahan> we are gonna check out mission I guess
[03:00] <jedahan> northbeach looks cool (rogue bar, awesome) but I heard its dead on the weekdays
[03:01] <iheartubuntu> Do we need any help sat or sun morning setting up or whatever
[03:01] <pleia2> rogue bar is yummy yummy
[03:02] <jedahan> <3 dead guy ale, havent tried anything else
[03:02] <pleia2> dead guy ale is great, but some of their bigger ales are too
[03:02] <iheartubuntu> Is that up on bay area?
[03:02] <pleia2> and they have some mean imperials
[03:03] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, rogue is oregon brewery but they have an ale house in SF
[03:03] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: we will probably need help setting up both mornings, but I think we'll get together on friday and play things by ear a bit
[03:03] <iheartubuntu> Any plans after expo each nite?
[03:04] <iheartubuntu> Is registration or checkin on fri?
[03:05] <pleia2> I am turning in to the wrong person to ask, I've been to conferences before but never this particular one :)
[03:05] <iheartubuntu> :)
[03:05] <iheartubuntu> Sorry
[03:05] <pleia2> others here have been though, maybe one of them is lurking
[03:05] <iheartubuntu> Maybe Nathan has tips
[03:07]  * pleia2 off to finish dishes & things
[05:59] <iheartubuntu> "Registration Payment Receipt" -"Step 7 of 7". So Im registered for SCALE? That was easy.
[06:43] <nhaines> Well, last year I went out to dinner with Michael and Michelle Hall and we talked a little about Qimo but mostly about raising kids.
[06:43] <nhaines> And LinuxChix were there too I believe.
[16:39] <nhaines> akk: good morning!
[16:41] <akk> Morning, nhaines
[17:32] <nhaines> Someone on the WD Community forums complained that the MOTD on his My Book Live was reset on every bootup and said this was a "stupid and unnecessary feature."
[17:33] <nhaines> So I replied and said this was default behavior on all Debian systems, and that I did not recommend changing any system files on a network appliance, but if I were going to I would read the motd.tail manpage first.  And then I still wouldn't change anything.
[17:33] <nhaines> Wonder what'll happen.
[18:30] <nhaines> Yay, natty alpha 2 seems to be out.
[18:31] <kdub_> neato
[18:31] <kdub_> i dont run alphas anymore though
[18:32] <nhaines> kdub_: that's what virtual machines and secondary systems are for.
[18:33] <kdub_> my computers are all too slow for virtual machines :)
[18:33] <nhaines> kdub_: you can still capture the classic DOS experience that way.  :)
[18:33] <pleia2> kdub_: did you see my message yesterday? your badge is updated with exhibitor
[18:33] <kdub_> oh, excellent :D, thanks!
[18:34] <pleia2> sure :)
[18:36] <kdub_> nhaines: i dont know if i want the classic DOS experience back
[18:37] <nhaines> kdub_: it's more fun if it's trapped in a 640x480 window!  :)
[18:37] <nhaines> Besides, you can always run FreeDOS.
[18:40] <kdub_> nhaines: 11.04 has unity as default, no?
[18:42] <nhaines> kdub_: correct.
[18:43] <kdub_> but its still x11 based
[18:43] <nhaines> I'm going to evaluate it at Alpha 2 and see if it might be worth running.
[18:43]  * kdub_ is most excited about wayland-based coming along
[18:43] <nhaines> kdub_: Unity is a GNOME-based shell using Compiz and X11, yes.
[18:44] <kdub_> i used to work on compiz, and [partially] want to see it on its way out :P
[22:46] <pleia2> so I go downstairs to get the air pump for the penguin that game today, and there is another, mystery package
[22:46] <pleia2> it's a CR-48!
[22:46] <pleia2> aaahhhh yay
[22:46] <jamiedmattingly_> what is cr48?
[22:47] <pleia2> the ChromeOS demo laptop
[22:47] <jamiedmattingly_> oh man howd you get that?
[22:47] <rww> I'm waiting for the secret mind-control devices built into them to activate. My laziness will save me once again!
[22:47] <pleia2> there was (is?) a form online from google that you fill out to apply to be a tester
[22:48] <pleia2> jtatum got one too, I got to play with his at an Ubuntu Hour in December
[22:48] <jamiedmattingly_> can you still sign up?
[22:50] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly_: looks like you can still apply here: http://www.google.com/chromeos/pilot-program.html
[22:51] <jamiedmattingly_> got it thanks pleia2
[22:52] <pleia2> I am surprised I got one, I thought for sure they were already bored with "linux nerds who want to try it" applications ;)
[23:02] <jamiedmattingly_> hey pleia2 just out of curiosity what did you put for your reason to try chrome os?
[23:04] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly_: it's been a couple months, something about being a linux sysadmin and ubuntu contributor I think
[23:05] <jamiedmattingly_> thats kinda close to what i put.   crossing my fingers for mine
[23:06] <pleia2> I didn't apply when it was first announced because I wasn't sure I was allowed to (my boyfriend works at Google), but eventually I read the fine print - nothing about google employees in the same household
[23:06] <pleia2> so I applied some time in december
[23:07] <jamiedmattingly_> i heard the os was coming soon never heard about the pilot program that is cool
[23:10] <jamiedmattingly_> i wonder how much programming you could do if it is all web based though?
[23:11] <pleia2> there is a dev switch which allows you to get to a terminal
[23:11] <pleia2> but I think they would be of limited use to most developers who are expecting a proper laptop
[23:12] <pleia2> (unless you really hack it, install ubuntu on it or something)
[23:12] <jamiedmattingly_> still it would be fun to try it out
[23:14] <jamiedmattingly_> how big is it? is it like a netbook or full sized?
[23:15] <pleia2> it's not a netbook, small laptop
[23:16] <pleia2> I opened the box but I haven't taken it out of the box yet, still have work until 5PM
[23:16]  * pleia2 tries hard to work
[23:16] <pleia2> :)
[23:19] <jamiedmattingly_> come on pleia2, its calling your name i can hear it from here lol
[23:20] <pleia2> seriously
[23:20] <pleia2> must...resist...
[23:24] <jamiedmattingly_> lol
[23:34] <jamiedmattingly_> gosh for a thursday it is sure moving slow like a monday will it ever end?????  :)
[23:35] <nhaines> Seriously.
[23:36] <jamiedmattingly_> where are you at nhaines?
[23:38] <nhaines> jamiedmattingly_: work.  :)
[23:38] <MarkDude> pleia2, when you send info about the Chrome laptop, you need to include #skynet
[23:39] <MarkDude> Chris DiBona approved joke :D
[23:39] <jamiedmattingly_> figured that by your last response nhaines but what city?
[23:46] <nhaines> jamiedmattingly_: ah!  I'm in Irvine.  I work for Western Digital.
[23:47] <nhaines> And let me tell you, after four years of not using Windows, it was *really* weird to have to start thinking about drive letters.
[23:47] <jamiedmattingly_> im in sonoma i have quite a few wd portables though
[23:48] <jamiedmattingly_> finally time to go see you guys later
[23:48] <rww> It amuses me that Windows still starts drives at C: to leave space for 3.5in and 5.25in inch floppy drives.
[23:50] <pleia2> it got loose, I couldn't resist