[01:04] <grkblood> whats a forum that i can goto that has some good deals on used audio equpiment?
[01:04] <grkblood> im looking for a mackie onyx 1220i
[01:04] <holstein> grkblood: hmmm
[01:04] <grkblood> time to go firewire
[01:04] <holstein> let me think abou that
[01:05] <holstein> BUT i would ask in #opensourcemusicians
[01:05] <grkblood> k
[01:05] <holstein> i tend to check craigslist
[01:05] <grkblood> craigslist sucks
[01:05] <rlameiro> grkblood: is it linux supported?
[01:05] <holstein> if you're in US
[01:05] <grkblood> i jsut put one of my mixers on there
[01:05] <holstein> yeah, good point
[01:05] <holstein> check the FFADO and alsa pages
[01:05] <grkblood> rlameiro, it should be. studio supports firewire
[01:05] <holstein> grkblood: lol
[01:05] <holstein> ubuntustudio?
[01:05] <holstein> ubuntustudio provides the FFADO packages
[01:06] <grkblood> yea, it comes packaged with progs that support firewire
[01:06] <holstein> and ffado supports what the can
[01:06] <grkblood> FFADO?
[01:06] <holstein> dont assume anything is suppoorted
[01:06] <rlameiro> FFADO its a driver for Firewiredevices
[01:06] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list
[01:06] <rlameiro> http://ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list
[01:06] <rlameiro> lol
[01:06] <holstein> amazing team of folks too
[01:06] <holstein> great work
[01:07] <grkblood> damn, multimix isnt even supported?
[01:07] <rlameiro> mackie isnt very friend to linux....
[01:07] <rlameiro> or opensource
[01:07] <holstein> yup
[01:07] <grkblood> i know its supports on the mac
[01:08] <grkblood> i thought multimix 8 was the goto firewire mixer for budget setups
[01:08] <holstein> they provide drivers for apple
[01:08] <holstein> yes
[01:08] <grkblood> thats crazy its not supported
[01:08] <holstein> grkblood: ask makie
[01:08] <holstein> mackie*
[01:08] <grkblood> is there a difference in being supported and working?
[01:08] <holstein> they really should
[01:08] <grkblood> isnt*
[01:09] <holstein> i can say the presonus firepod works well
[01:09] <holstein> rlameiro has a firewire interface??
[01:09] <holstein> i forget??
[01:09] <rlameiro> yes
[01:09] <rlameiro> FA101
[01:09] <holstein> the focurite saphire pro40 is pretty sweet
[01:09] <rlameiro> Edirol
[01:09] <holstein> needs some tweaking
[01:11] <holstein> dinner time..
[01:12] <grkblood> apparently mackie does have support for linux on other devices
[01:12] <holstein> i read that
[01:13] <holstein> one device i think?
[01:13] <holstein> i wouldnt trust it though
[01:13] <holstein> necessarily
[01:13] <holstein> i havent actually talked to a makie/linux user
[01:13] <holstein> a happy one anyways*
[01:14] <grkblood> so whats a good firewire mixer for linux?
[01:14] <rlameiro> maybe usb devices
[01:14] <holstein> not sure what you mean by mixer
[01:14] <rlameiro> firewire is different stuff
[01:15] <holstein> but, the firepod is great
[01:15] <rlameiro> they even have problems with windows 7 drivers and stuff
[01:15] <holstein> and the ediro FA101
[01:15] <rlameiro> lol
[01:15] <holstein> you dont really need a *mixer
[01:15] <holstein> to mix down to stereo
[01:15] <holstein> and record
[01:15] <grkblood> i dont want usb
[01:15] <grkblood> usb isnt an option
[01:15] <holstein> grkblood: depends
[01:15] <grkblood> i want individual tracks
[01:16] <holstein> OK
[01:16] <grkblood> usb only give one main out
[01:16] <holstein> so, you need a multichannel interface
[01:16] <grkblood> well, im of the opinion that thats what firewire provides
[01:16] <holstein> depends
[01:16] <grkblood> multiple channels over one cable
[01:16] <holstein> firewire is just a cable
[01:17] <holstein> an interface
[01:17] <holstein> IF the interface is a camera
[01:17] <holstein> thats what you get
[01:17] <holstein> in this case, you need a multichannel interface
[01:17] <grkblood> so youre saying there are firewire mixers out there that dont support mutlichannel?
[01:17] <holstein> and there are both USB and firewire options
[01:18] <holstein> grkblood: lets talk about the term mixer
[01:18] <holstein> mixer implies that multiple channels are being mixed down
[01:18] <grkblood> mixer with firewire interface
[01:18] <holstein> down to stereo for example
[01:18] <holstein> SO
[01:18] <holstein> you could have an external mixer
[01:18] <holstein> mix things down to 2 tracks
[01:18] <holstein> and use your internal sound card
[01:18] <holstein> THAT where a mixer would be used
[01:18] <holstein> and the mixer could be anolog or digital
[01:19] <holstein> and connect to any stereo (2 channel) sound card
[01:19] <holstein> in your scenario
[01:19] <holstein> you need more that 2 in's
[01:19] <holstein> the mulitchannel interface that i have
[01:19] <holstein> the presonus firepod
[01:19] <holstein> has 8 mic pre's in
[01:19] <holstein> 10 channels in and out
[01:19] <grkblood> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUQ63dGdPvQ&feature=related
[01:20] <holstein> and the edirol has that too AFAIK
[01:20] <grkblood> in that vid there using firewire to output the mixer to a mac with garageband that recognizes all the mixers channels
[01:21] <holstein> depends on how its set up
[01:21] <holstein> there are a couple ways to acheive that
[01:21] <holstein> BUT
[01:21] <rlameiro> fa101 is a pretty basic setup
[01:21] <holstein> you dont need a mixer
[01:21] <rlameiro> is just an interface
[01:21] <holstein> you need tracks
[01:21] <holstein> channels
[01:21] <rlameiro> it only can mix monitor channels
[01:21] <holstein> no need to mix prior to tracking
[01:21] <holstein> in a studio
[01:21] <rlameiro> grkblood: how many out channels do you need?
[01:22] <holstein> you mix for optimal sound
[01:22] <holstein> while recording
[01:22] <grkblood> 3
[01:22] <rlameiro> there are usb devices with 4 out IIRC
[01:22] <holstein> SO a 4 channel USB interface would work great for you
[01:23] <grkblood> got a link to a good one or a suggestion?
[01:23] <holstein> check the firepod too
[01:23] <holstein> you can get a used one for a resonable price
[01:24] <holstein> under $300
[01:24] <holstein> rlameiro: how is the fast-track?
[01:24] <holstein> thats plug and play right?
[01:24] <holstein> with preamp?
[01:24] <rlameiro> http://www.linuxstudiopro.com
[01:24] <grkblood> its not 3 main outs though, i got three things going into my mixer with one mian out
[01:24] <holstein> 2 preamps
[01:24] <grkblood> using two auxs
[01:24] <holstein> grkblood: 3 things that you want to go into the computer
[01:24] <holstein> not the mixer
[01:24] <holstein> you dont need a mixer* ;)
[01:25] <holstein> grkblood: how many preamps do you need?
[01:25] <grkblood> one
[01:25] <rlameiro> you just need to record the tracks and then use the mixer inside the computer
[01:25] <rlameiro> like ardour mixer
[01:25] <grkblood> i got a weird setup, its not typical
[01:25] <grkblood> its for a radio show
[01:25] <grkblood> with a two pc setup
[01:26] <holstein> i finally got down to 1 computer :)
[01:26] <grkblood> yea, i cant do that
[01:27] <holstein> well, you *can
[01:27] <holstein> but, you dont have to
[01:27] <holstein> took me a while
[01:27] <grkblood> no, i really cant. i need a seperate pc for caller screening
[01:27] <holstein> maybe
[01:28] <grkblood> like, i said. its weird
[01:28] <grkblood> its not really a studio setup
[01:28] <holstein> right
[01:28] <holstein> its for radio
[01:28] <holstein> kinda
[01:28] <holstein> BUT keep in mind
[01:28] <holstein> radio is where a lot of the pro-studio gear was born
[01:28] <holstein> the mics and pres
[01:28] <holstein> compressors
[01:29] <holstein> not all*
[01:29] <grkblood> yea, i dont do any compressing live
[01:29] <grkblood> im not on that level
[01:29] <holstein> something to think about though
[01:29] <grkblood> when i had an actual studio i compressed on course, but then i moved to internet radio
[01:30] <holstein> ive got a decent preamp that i can use
[01:30] <holstein> to compress on the way in
[01:30] <holstein> if i need
[01:31] <holstein> only one though
[01:31] <holstein> presonus eureka
[01:31] <holstein> a lot of bang for the buck
[01:31] <holstein> nice EQ
[01:31] <grkblood> thats what i had
[01:31] <holstein> the eureka?
[01:31] <grkblood> yea
[01:31] <grkblood> that and an mbox
[01:31] <holstein> where is it?
[01:31] <grkblood> i sold it liek a year ago
[01:32] <holstein> thats perfect for voice
[01:32] <holstein> too bad
[01:32] <grkblood> well, thats when i had a studio for recording music
[01:32] <grkblood> it was necessary then
[01:34] <grkblood> alright guys, im out
[01:34] <grkblood> later
[01:35] <holstein> laterx grkblood :)
[21:42] <p-up-i> hi
[21:42] <p-up-i> I tried to install rakarrack from sources, but it messed up the presets and doesn't show the midi converter
[21:43] <p-up-i> What should I do to make it return to the version that is on the ubuntustudio repositories?
[21:43] <rlameiro> p-up-i: have you tried to reinstall it?
[21:44] <p-up-i> yes
[21:44] <p-up-i> I wondered if there was a .rakarrack folder, but there isn't
[21:44] <rlameiro> weird
[21:44] <p-up-i> there doesn't seem to be a folder for settings, to just wipe them off
[21:44] <rlameiro> i dont use rakarrak
[21:44] <p-up-i> you should try it. It has a midi converter
[21:45] <rlameiro> did you unistalled the version you compiled from source?
[21:45] <p-up-i> that's the thing I'd like to use
[21:45] <p-up-i> How do I do that?
[21:45] <rlameiro> no idea
[21:45] <rlameiro> it depends on how it was build
[21:45] <p-up-i> ok
[21:45] <rlameiro> go to the folder where you compiled and look if there is some script to unistall or somethin
[21:46] <rlameiro> or on the readme
[21:46] <rlameiro> dont know
[21:47] <p-up-i> ok
[21:47] <p-up-i> then I don't know
[21:48] <rlameiro> p-up-i: hummm
[21:49] <rlameiro> maybe you could delete all files related to rakarrack
[21:49] <p-up-i> I deleted something in the /usr/local stuff
[21:49] <p-up-i> and it worked
[21:49] <rlameiro> well:)
[21:49] <p-up-i> renamed a rakarrack folder and it worked worse
[21:49] <p-up-i> but it worked
[21:49] <p-up-i> STILL the midi converter doesn't work
[21:49] <rlameiro> try to reinstall again
[21:49] <rlameiro> better,
[21:50] <rlameiro> do a completely remove
[21:50] <rlameiro> and then install
[21:50] <rlameiro> p-up-i: are you using synaptics?
[21:50] <p-up-i> yes
[21:50] <p-up-i> i did that already
[21:50] <p-up-i> thanks rlameiro, but i have to go exactly now
[21:50] <rlameiro> after deleting the files?
[21:50] <p-up-i> thanks anyway
[21:51] <rlameiro> ok
[21:51] <p-up-i> bye