[00:05] <welshmen> is any one familiar with backtrack?
[00:14] <bazhang> welshmen, people in backtrack support: #backtrack-linux
[01:41] <welshmen> when using GParted do i use it at boot or load an OS and run it from there?
[01:46] <xGrind> welshmen; ???
[01:47] <xGrind> live-cd
[01:47] <bazhang> welshmen, you are on backtrack?
[01:47] <welshmen> yeah DL'd it and burned it to a disc but won't boot when the Computer starts
[01:48] <welshmen> no but that's what i'm tring to install  along with ubuntu and windows 7
[01:48] <bazhang> welshmen, and its not supported here; try #backtrack-linux as I suggested
[01:49] <welshmen> and they told me for Gparted partitioning that you guys would know more about it
[01:49] <welshmen> i don't want to upset anyone   it just won't load
[01:50] <bazhang> welshmen, who is they? if this is backtrack we are talking about then you need to seek their support
[01:51] <welshmen> i want to create a partition using Gparted
[01:51] <bazhang> then boot from the gparted livecd and do so
[01:52] <welshmen> it won't boot thats what i'm asking      do i need to load an OS or does it boot with the pc
[01:53] <bazhang> gparted live cd wont load?
[01:53] <welshmen> if ino goes right to a bootmgr
[01:53] <welshmen> bypasses the cd
[01:54] <welshmen> i've made two  on two different pc's
[03:29] <kuatoAR> Hello ! greetings from Argentina
[03:29] <kuatoAR> i need help @_@
[03:31] <bazhang> with what kuatoAR
[03:33] <ball> Is Xubuntu smaller (in terms of disk requirement) than Gnome Ubuntu?
[03:34] <kuatoAR> it is an small problem, but I'm new on Xubuntu. Iv'e installed Xubuntu 10.10 and one of my drives is not listed in "places"
[03:34] <kuatoAR> do i need to edit fstab ?
[03:34] <ball> kuatoAR: what kind of drive is it and what filesystems does it contain?
[03:35] <bazhang> kuatoAR, that would be a good idea yes
[03:35] <kuatoAR> It is a fat32 hard drive with XP
[03:36] <kuatoAR> fdisk -l  shows me that it is recognized as /dev/sda os /dev/sd1
[03:38] <kuatoAR> but i can't access to the drive
[03:39] <kuatoAR> I can see the drive using Gigolo, but not access to it
[03:40] <kuatoAR> well it seems that now i can ! hahah
[03:40] <kuatoAR> But how do i add the launcher to places ?
[03:40] <bazhang> edit the places menu?
[03:41] <ball> I'll be back later.
[03:44] <welshmen> can't get VMware to install any ideas, post comes up and says not been able to detect the character encoding???
[03:45] <bazhang> welshmen, why not use vbox?
[03:45] <welshmen> is it easier to get installed?
[03:46] <bazhang> yes
[03:46] <welshmen> vbox
[03:46] <bazhang> correct
[05:37]  * ball <- downloading Xubuntu 10.10.
[06:24] <randomus1r> hi
[06:25] <randomus1r> I installed 'xubuntu-desktop', what command do I use to start gui session now?
[06:28] <ball> randomus1r: Have you tried "xfce-session" or just "startx" ?
[06:28]  * ball <- doesn't know
[06:29] <randomus1r> cmd not dound ; xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
[06:29] <randomus1r> s/d/f/
[06:34] <ball> I don't know then.  Perhaps it depends on something like Xdm.
[06:42] <ball> I'm exhausted.
[06:42] <ball> Goodnight all.
[07:17] <Sysi> randomus1r: i think you should have gdm installed as dependency
[07:18] <Sysi> if you don't want to reboot, 'sudo service gdm start'
[07:54] <randomus1r> Sysi,
[07:55] <randomus1r> i'm vncing to ubuntu hardy server edition
[07:55] <randomus1r> i have installed xubuntu-desktop there
[07:55] <randomus1r> i need to know what to run upon the vnc connection to get the gui
[07:56] <Sysi> sorry, i've only used vnc with already started session
[07:56] <randomus1r> so you probably know its config
[07:56] <Sysi> how do you even make that connection before logging in?
[07:56] <randomus1r> ~/.vnc/xstartup
[07:56] <randomus1r> er
[07:57] <randomus1r> i run ' vnc4server :2 ' at server
[07:57] <Sysi> is that file like ~/.xinitrc?
[07:57] <randomus1r> then i connect using vncviewer from client side
[07:57] <randomus1r> i have no ~/.xinitrc
[07:57] <Sysi> i'm just wondering if it works the same way
[07:58] <Sysi> you could try putting 'startxfce4' there
[07:58] <randomus1r> # Uncomment the following two lines for normal desktop:
[07:58] <randomus1r> # unset SESSION_MANAGER
[07:58] <randomus1r> # exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[07:58] <randomus1r> i uncommented those
[07:59] <Sysi> so you need to create xinitrc
[07:59] <Sysi> google propably knows better than me
[08:00] <Sysi> oh wait, /etc, there might be something already
[08:01] <randomus1r> http://dpaste.org/7XE9/ is the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc file contents
[08:01] <randomus1r> /etc is a directory
[08:02] <Sysi> i know
[08:03] <Sysi> i noticed it's about system-wine, not in your /home
[08:05] <Sysi> that Xinitrc looks quite complicated script but i guss it "just works", you could try uncomenting line launching it
[12:07] <daniel> some thing going wrong at update
[12:08] <daniel> Requires installation of untrusted packages
[12:09] <daniel> anyone?
[12:10] <knome> daniel, you can try another server
[12:10] <daniel> knome ? how
[12:11] <knome> daniel, in synaptic, see settings -> repositories
[12:11] <knome> daniel, but you are right, having untrusted packages shouldn't happen
[12:12] <bazhang> daniel, you have some PPA in there? please pastebin your sources.list
[12:13] <daniel> I still dont see the synaptic but I will as I find
[12:16] <daniel> bazhang, where is the sources.list found
[12:16] <bazhang>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:17] <daniel> There is nothing in that file
[12:19] <daniel> lil slow here
[12:21] <daniel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561894/
[12:23] <bazhang> daniel, which repo is untrusted? extras.ubuntu.com ?
[12:25] <daniel> bazhang, where will it say that?
[12:26] <bazhang> daniel, what is the precise error you get. please pastebin it
[12:27] <daniel> apparmor apparmor-utils apport apport-gtk aptdaemon bsdutils cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common cups-ppdc dbus dbus-x11 dpkg evince evince-common fuse-utils gnome-system-tools ifupdown libapparmor-perl libapparmor1 libblkid1 libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc6 libc6-dev libcups2 libcupscgi1 libcupsdriver1 libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 libdbus-1-3 libevdocument3 libevview3 libfuse2 liblcms1 libparted0debian1 libsmbclient libsql
[12:27] <daniel> ite3-0 libuuid1 libwbclient0 mount parted python-apport python-aptdaemon python-aptdaemon-gtk python-problem-report samba-common samba-common-bin smbclient sudo ubuntu-sso-client util-linux uuid-runtime xserver-common xserver-xorg-core is all it gives
[12:28] <bazhang> daniel, pastebin not here
[12:28] <bazhang> ugh
[12:28] <bazhang> daniel, there's no error there
[12:29] <daniel> those shouldnt be extras
[12:29] <daniel> that was it
[12:29] <daniel> Requires installation of untrusted packages
[12:29] <daniel> The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.
[12:33] <Sysi> ppa:s in use?
[12:33] <bazhang> daniel, well you can risk it, or verify the gpg
[12:33] <bazhang> !gpgerr | daniel
[12:33] <bazhang> ubottu, lag
[12:34] <daniel> what is custom??
[12:35] <bazhang> daniel, just try the standard one
[12:35] <knome> daniel, 'sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5' in terminal
[12:38] <daniel> knome that is already in the trusted sources
[12:41] <bazhang> perhaps in sources.list.d then
[12:43] <daniel> bazhang, that is the file I was saying was empty
[12:45] <bazhang> daniel, sounds like you added some repos that are not showing up in regular sources.list thus the need to check sources.list.d
[12:45] <bazhang> daniel, cd into the directory and see whats in there
[12:47] <daniel> bazhang, I will do that but this is rather a plain build
[12:47] <bazhang> daniel, so no tweaks, or the like. 100% standard repos and packages?
[12:48] <daniel> except nvidia but pretty plain
[12:52] <daniel> cd and nothing is there /etc/apt/sources.list.d$
[13:00] <daniel> does the same after re adding the key as mentioned
[13:03] <daniel> all this is happening from the update prompt or update manager( pop up
[13:06] <daniel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561917/
[13:14] <daniel> anyone?
[13:36] <Bas> Hello All
[13:37] <Bas> can anyone help me disableing standby ?
[14:02] <vikas> having problems connecting  gprs getting error http://paste.ubuntu.com/561937/ if anybody  can help
[14:03] <Sysi> Bas: like what?
[14:04] <Sysi> vikas: how / to what are you connecting?
[14:04] <vikas> to pc from phone
[14:05] <Sysi> where did you dig that errormessage, it should be easy with networkmanager
[14:06] <Sysi> plug in phone, right click on icon in the panel, manage connections, mobile, add new
[14:09] <Bas> Sysi: my screen goes blank , i disabled the screensaver and the powermanagement, no result
[14:10] <Sysi> but it wakes up after that?
[14:10] <Bas> if i move the mouse
[14:10] <Bas> or press a key
[14:11] <Bas> it puzzeling me
[14:11] <Bas> it=its
[14:12] <Sysi> you're sure you don't have other power managers? it may work after reboot
[14:15] <vinnl> charlie-tca, that the download link for alpha 2 doesn't work yet means it hasn't been released yet, right?
[14:16] <charlie-tca> yes, vinnl
[14:16] <vinnl> OK
[14:17] <charlie-tca> They don't let work until we get everything ready
[14:17] <vinnl> OK, any ETA?
[14:17] <charlie-tca> sometime in the next 12 hours is the best I got
[14:17] <vinnl> :S
[14:18] <charlie-tca> sorry, normally we try to be there by 18:00 UTC, but testing got held up
[14:18] <vinnl> Yeah np, worst case the announcement will be there tomorrow
[14:18] <charlie-tca> yeah
[14:46] <mhall119> what's the target date for alpha 2 releasE?
[14:46] <mhall119> oh, nevermind
[14:46] <mhall119> just read the scrollback
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend.
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting. Everyone is invited to attend.
[19:17] <welshmen> can someone be kind enough to put a link for backtrack
[19:23] <welshmen> can any one help with driver installs?
[19:27] <welshmen> is anyone on??
[19:27] <TheSheep> no
[19:28] <TheSheep> just us, mice
[19:30] <welshmen> blind mice??
[19:30] <TheSheep> no, fat mice
[19:30] <welshmen> then i'm in the right place
[19:30] <TheSheep> if you ask any non-rhetorical question someone who knows the answer might say it
[19:30] <TheSheep> (not that I know what "backtrack" is)
[19:30] <welshmen> well i would hope that people in here could help me with to most of them would be a simple answer
[19:31] <welshmen> i can't install drivers in this ver. of linux and as   i follow tut.s  i get errors
[19:31] <welshmen> and can't find anything useful about the erroes
[19:31] <TheSheep> why didn't you just use the system->additional drivers dialog?
[19:32] <TheSheep> it's not finding what you need?
[19:33] <welshmen> no   i saw it once and now it's gine
[19:34] <welshmen> but it wasn't working it didn't show up in Wcid
[19:34] <TheSheep> Wcid?
[19:34] <welshmen> i saw it in the wicd*
[19:35] <welshmen> no thats wrong
[19:36] <welshmen> It showed up in a hardware lookup thruogh the terminal
[19:36] <TheSheep> ok, anyways, maybe you could just describe what you are trying to do exactly
[19:36] <TheSheep> and we can try and point you to the best way to achieve that
[19:36] <welshmen> ok sounds good
[19:38] <welshmen> i'm trying to get my wireless card to be seen and activated, now i got a driver and followed to tut  but i get errors.  it comes down to i don't know how to install driverss
[19:38] <welshmen> i'm new to this linux stuff and want to learn just having some problems
[19:39] <TheSheep> what card is it?
[19:39] <TheSheep> broadcom?
[19:39] <welshmen> yes
[19:39] <TheSheep> ideapad u350 by any chance?
[19:39] <welshmen> i've searched and found that this hybrid driver will work
[19:39] <welshmen> no HP touchsmart
[19:40] <TheSheep> the hybrid driver from broadcom's website never worked for me
[19:40] <welshmen> damn
[19:40] <TheSheep> the driver that is installed by ubuntu automatically works good though
[19:40] <welshmen> didn't for me
[19:41] <welshmen> could i use a netgear USB device3?
[19:41] <welshmen> \would that auto install it's own driver
[19:41] <welshmen> ?
[19:42] <TheSheep> I had some problems with a broadcom card on ideapad recently, the system saw it, but it could never see any network and the power management said it's set to 0db of signal
[19:42] <TheSheep> resetting bios to factory settings fixed that
[19:43] <welshmen> ok
[19:43] <TheSheep> do you even have the "wireless networks" section in network manager?
[19:44] <welshmen> but just help me with one step..... how would you install a driver in general?
[19:44] <TheSheep> on xubuntu -- with jockey
[19:44] <welshmen> no nothing shows up the wireless card doesn't appear
[19:45] <TheSheep> I would avoid any 3rd party drivers
[19:45] <welshmen> but i found a command that show hardware and it was there
[19:45] <welshmen> but not working
[19:45] <TheSheep> welshmen: what happens when you run jockey-gtk?
[19:45] <TheSheep> welshmen: does it find the right driver?
[20:52] <Lord_Rahl> Anyone know why I can not send files in pidgin on xubuntu? I could in gnome but, xfce the send file option is grey out
[20:54] <Lord_Rahl> this is for gtalk or jabber network
[21:19] <craigbass1976> I'm trying to vnc into my xubuntu box from a lubuntu box.  I'm running it on a differnet port though (5950) and am wonering how to connect.  vncviewer 192.168.2.171:5950  gives me "CConn:       connected to host 192.168.2.171 port 5950, main:        End of stream
[21:19] <craigbass1976> "
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Natty Alpha2 officially released - Please see the notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[22:49] <welshmen> whats the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[22:49] <welshmen> is one more of a beginner OS than the other
[22:50] <charlie-tca> hm, Ubuntu uses Gnome desktop environment, Kubuntu uses KDE
[22:50] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu is normally recommended for beginners, it is very easy to configure and use
[23:21] <welshmen> i know this is just  primarily a ubuntu chat, but i git a crappy problem.  i got a laptop and wanted to put ubuntu on, but the drive had problems with win 7 ( i think it git a virus) and i formatted it with a PS3. Now it gets an error back in the laptop, so i took it out and boot got the same error ,than put the drive back in and now it just blinks like it reading the drive
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Actually, stating you know that is not appropriate, then saying it, does not make it appropriate for this channel.
[23:26] <charlie-tca> This channel is for support of Xubuntu
[23:28] <welshmen> so regardless if I had had ubuntu on the computer and had a system failure it still wouldn't be considered support for ubuntu??
[23:29] <charlie-tca> right. Ubuntu support is in #ubuntu. We try to help when we have time, but we do not know as much about Ubuntu as we do about Xubuntu
[23:44] <Plasmastar> Anyone here?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[23:51] <pylix> is xfce 4.8 distributed with the xubuntu 10.10 live cd?
[23:51] <charlie-tca> pylix: no, it is only on the natty cd's
[23:52] <charlie-tca> Natty is the latest development version
[23:52] <pylix> so it's like in beta
[23:53] <charlie-tca> yes, actually alpha at this time
[23:53] <charlie-tca> We don't even get to beta until the end of March
[23:54] <pylix> can i have a link please
[23:55] <pylix> is it the 11.04 alpha 1?
[23:55] <charlie-tca> no, alpha2. We just released alpha2 today
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Please see the notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[23:56] <charlie-tca> alpha1 has more updates now then the whole image size, I would guess.
[23:57] <pylix> where would i report encountered bugs?
[23:57] <charlie-tca> launchpad
[23:57] <charlie-tca> !bugs
[23:58] <pylix> kay.