[00:11] <anchorschmidt> Is KDE 4.6 coming out for Kubuntu Lucid?
[00:11] <maco> no
[00:12] <maco> 4.6 will ship in 11.04
[00:12] <anchorschmidt> Yes, but via the Backports PPA?
[00:12] <maco> lucid will continue receiving updates to the stable 4.4.x tree
[00:12] <maco> ahh ppa...not sure who's planning on doing what
[00:12] <anchorschmidt> I have enabled the backports ppa and I'm stuck on 4.5 at the moment
[00:12] <nabukadnezar43> hi guys, how do i install network-manager-gnome, i want to remove current nm first
[00:12] <maco> guess it depends if someone gets a Round Tuit?
[00:12] <anchorschmidt> ok:)
[00:13] <anchorschmidt> why do you want to do that?
[00:13] <nabukadnezar43> me?
[00:13] <anchorschmidt> yes
[00:13] <nabukadnezar43> i like gnm better
[00:13] <maco> which nm are you currently using?
[00:13] <maco> kde has two
[00:14] <maco> 10.04 and 10.10 shipped different ones, and if you upgrade 10.04 -> 10.10 you kept 10.04's
[00:14] <nabukadnezar43> i am on 10.10
[00:14] <nabukadnezar43> it's the default one
[00:15] <nabukadnezar43> it says kde control module, not sure what it is called
[00:15] <maco> they both have that
[00:15] <maco> in your panel, it opens up like a big wide rectangle?
[00:15] <maco> as opposed to a tall menu-like thing?
[00:15] <maco> thats plasma-widget-network-manager. the other kde one is knetworkmanager which is tall menu-like like the gnome one
[00:16] <nabukadnezar43> yeah i guess so
[00:16] <nabukadnezar43> it's just like the one in slackware
[00:17] <Mase_wk> anyone know if it's possible for the task manager to just display icons instead of program names and icons ?
[00:17] <yofel> anchorschmidt: there is no 4.6 for lucid and it's not planned either
[00:17] <yofel> too much work
[00:17] <maco> nabukadnezar43: slackware ships wicd
[00:18] <maco> though....hmm i wonder if those have switchable backends to allow them to use wicd...
[00:18] <maco> yofel: not enough Round Tuits?
[00:18] <yofel> Mase_wk: no, but you could replace it with plasma-widget-smooth-tasks which can do that I think
[00:19] <Mase_wk> ok will look at that thanks
[00:20] <yofel> maco: that too ^^
[00:23] <Mase_wk> yofel: smooth-tasks seems to work well
[00:23] <Mase_wk> thanks
[00:24] <anchorschmidt> smooth tasks is awesome, I'm using it right now.
[00:24] <anchorschmidt> saves a lot of space
[00:24] <Mase_wk> yup does indeed, tis why i wanted it
[00:28] <anchorschmidt> I started a Linux website sometime back. It's located at tux-crazy.com . If anyone is interested, I write how to articles and reviews. I'm going to publish a review of KDE 4.6 tomorrow.
[00:29] <westmi49319> this is wrong.something happened with the recent updates.every time I click a torrent, it askes me what program I wanna use
[00:29] <anchorschmidt> how many torrent programs do you have?
[00:29] <westmi49319> used to just open ktorrent
[00:29] <westmi49319> just the default?
[00:29] <maco> is there a "always use this one" checkbox?
[00:29] <westmi49319> yep
[00:29] <maco> check it?
[00:30] <westmi49319> I tried that and it did not work
[00:30] <maco> hrmph
[00:30] <anchorschmidt> are you using Google chrome, by chance?
[00:30] <westmi49319> yeah-ktorrent is the default, also
[00:30] <westmi49319> firefox
[00:30] <westmi49319> it changed both my pc's
[00:30] <anchorschmidt> that's strange.
[00:31] <westmi49319> yeah, your tellin me...
[00:31] <westmi49319> now I got 3 more clickes to download
[00:32] <westmi49319> whatta pain
[00:32] <westmi49319> :(
[00:32] <westmi49319> this doesn't help my tech-impared wife...
[00:36] <westmi49319> huh. lookin at my file associations, and .torrent files are designated for ktorrent.
[00:36] <westmi49319> gee
[00:36] <westmi49319> something is wrong...
[00:37] <nabukadnezar43> maco: i can't start nm-applet now, what should i do
[00:38] <maco> nabukadnezar43: you have to stop the currently running network manager
[00:38] <maco> before you can start nm-applet
[00:38] <maco> it only lets one run at a time
[00:38] <nabukadnezar43> i unistalled plasma network manager
[00:40] <nabukadnezar43> i added nm-applet to startup programs
[00:40] <nabukadnezar43> then restarted
[00:40] <nabukadnezar43> plasma is not showing in the notifications area any more
[00:40] <nabukadnezar43> but there is no gnome nm either
[00:50] <Mase_wk> westmi49319: what are you trying to achieve ?
[00:53] <nabukadnezar43> ok i found that if i use gnome icons, nm-applet runs
[00:53] <nabukadnezar43> so what can i do as a workaround
[00:53] <nabukadnezar43> gnome icons look really ugly
[00:55] <nabukadnezar43> here's the error i get when i run nm-applet: "http://pastebin.com/1EU1N4iE"
[00:56] <Merlin__> i need som help could someone tell me how I can remove the cdrom as the active respository through a terminal command
[00:58] <yofel> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and commend the cd apt line at the top out
[00:59] <yofel> *comment
[01:01] <Merlin__> thanks i had to remove kapackage it to install a bunch of stuff to get my wireless working what is the terminal command that i can use to re-install
[01:04] <Merlin__> new to linux how can i install the upadates once the are dloaded
[01:09] <Mase_wk> Merlin__: not sure what you mean...the updates should just install themselves
[01:10] <Mase_wk> you can use apt-get from the command line or kpackagekit to install what you want
[01:11] <Mase_wk> you can remove the cdrom by editing /etc/apt-sources  or you can use kpackagekit
[01:11] <Merlin__> ok i didnt know if kpackage was in there or not, when i installed my wireless driver i had to remove and reinstall a bunch of python packages and it uninstalled kpackage and i want to reinstall kpackage to my machine
[01:19] <cato373> i cant get kontact or any of the the PIM stuff to work after upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10. i click it and it and the cursor bounces, but then nothing happens. what should i do?
[01:22] <westmi49319> Mase_wk take a look at what I already wrote earlier?
[01:23] <westmi49319> hmmm appears he left
[01:23] <dsrich> cato373: Have you tried running it from the command line?
[01:24] <cato373> dsrich: i just did. i get a no such file or directory error.
[01:24] <westmi49319> cato373, did ya try the right click deal?
[01:25] <westmi49319> right click and open with....
[01:26] <cato373> westmi49319: it gives me options for removing from the kicker panel
[01:27] <westmi49319> ah
[01:28] <cato373> i have everything backed up, so no info is lost, but i would like to use it before class starts. i am hoping it is a simple fix. :)
[01:28] <Merlin__> anyone know the terminal command using apt-get that i can use to get kpackageit
[01:28] <dsrich> cato373: May I suggest trying to install/reinstall it?
[01:30] <westmi49319> sudo apt-get install kpackageit
[01:30] <cato373> dsrich: yes, that was my next move. i am nervous about doing so. i am at the kontact website looking for what the components are, and what if in any order i should do so.
[01:30] <westmi49319> password required
[01:31] <Merlin__> it said that it was unable to locate kpackageit
[01:31] <westmi49319> althought it is actually kpackagekit
[01:31] <Merlin__> got it
[01:31] <Merlin__> thanks
[01:32] <cato373> westmi49319: i will try it
[01:33] <cato373> westmi49319: kpackagekit?
[01:34] <westmi49319> hmm let me check
[01:34] <westmi49319> yep
[01:35] <westmi49319> cato373,  that was for Merlin_
[01:35] <cato373> westmi49319: oops.
[01:36] <westmi49319> ha my dad's name is Merlin
[01:38] <cato373> kontact won't reinstall because of unmet dependencies
[01:40] <Merlin__> ok can anyone tell me why i can not get cairo dock when i chose the bottom position it stays in the right hand corner of the main monitor of my dual display setup
[01:41] <westmi49319> cato373,  the first thing that google gave me: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=18591
[01:42] <iulian_> cato373: check did you have instaled libkontactinterface4 and libakonadi-contact4
[01:43] <cato373> iulian_: kontact : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.6-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.4.8-0ubuntu0.0.1 is to be installed
[01:43] <cato373> what does that mean?
[01:44] <cato373> westmi49319: i am not sure i want to force the install
[01:46] <westmi49319> sudo apt-get -f install  will fix any broken dependicies
[01:47] <cato373> westmi49319: k
[01:53] <cato373> i used the apt-get build-dep command for kontact. it seems to be loading a bunch of stuff.
[01:57] <dsrich> cato373: were you planning on building it from source?  That is what build-dep is for
[01:58] <cato373> dsrich: no. i dont know enought to do that. i thought was rebuilding the upgrade.
[01:59] <dsrich> cato373: What is the output of 'sudo apt-get install kontact'?
[02:00] <dsrich> cato373: I am asking what a command-line installation attempt does.
[02:01] <cato373> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:01] <cato373> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:02] <dsrich> cato373: Do you have aptitude or synaptic open?
[02:04] <cato373> now that the packages are done extracting i get:  kontact : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.6-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.4.8-0ubuntu0.0.1 is to be installed E: Broken packages
[02:04] <cato373> dsrich:  now that the packages are done extracting i get: kontact : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.6-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.4.8-0ubuntu0.0.1 is to be installed E: Broken packages
[02:05] <cato373> dsrich: only quasell, konqueror, and konsole are open
[02:06] <dsrich> cato373:  Back where we started.
[02:08] <cato373> i can reinstall ku as 10.10 instead of the upgrade
[02:09] <cato373> shouldnt take over an hour.
[02:11] <dsrich> cato373:  I am not familiar enough with the innards of apt to understand why it is complaining the libkdepim4 version unless it is failing because it requires the later version and that version has not entered the repositorrries yet.
[02:11] <dsrich> cato373 s/complaining/complaining about/
[02:15] <cato373> dsrich: i will try a direct install of 10.10, since i just upgraded from 10.04.
[02:15] <dsrich> cato373:  Good luck, and good night...
[02:17] <cato373> have a good night all. bbl.
[02:19] <pepee> why did you change ctrl+shift+N to ctrl+shift+T? also, ctrl+shift+T does not change the path to the current, but to $HOME...
[03:23] <Guest92604> why kuuntu
[03:24] <Guest92604> why kde 4.6 its slow in netbooks?
[03:47] <CoJaBo> kde ftw
[05:12] <RoyalDrew> so... is this a good place to ask about problems with the KDE Plasma desktop?
[05:18] <RoyalDrew> am i in the wrong channel to ask ?'s
[05:19] <RoyalDrew> sigh..
[05:56] <Reaper50435> having trouble install kubuntu on dell inspiron 1501
[06:09] <GHH> hi
[06:10] <jschall> I have a USB bluetooth adapter that is 2.0+EDR (0e5e:6622 Conwise Technology Co., Ltd. CW6622). I can plug it into my kubuntu desktop and it immediately detects it and works, however, when I connect a2dp headphones to it, the audio stutters (on for one second, off for one second, on for a second, etc.) Are there any tweaks i can make to make it work? The headphones work fine on my kubuntu netbook with built-in bluetooth
[07:25] <ct529> hi! I have serious problems with kubuntu and sound
[07:25] <ct529> half of the time my card is recognised the other half is not
[07:25] <ct529> it is like a lottery
[07:25] <ct529> (when you boot kde)
[07:26] <ct529> I do not have this problem when I switch to gdm + gnome
[07:26] <ct529> I am on kubuntu 1004 lts 64 bits
[07:26] <ct529> s/bits/bit
[07:27] <ct529> codec is SigmaTel STAC9205
[07:35] <ct529> lspci returns 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:37] <probme> hello
[07:40] <probme> Recovery Mode is not working after install kdebase-workspace and removed GDM
[07:41] <probme> How can fix this problem please?
[07:52] <quintopia> HALP everything suddenly went blurry. i xrandr'd to my laptop screen and it was clear, but then back to the external monitor and it was blurry again!
[07:57] <orb01> Hi, I just installed 10.10 and installed all updates, and now I'm getting a Kdesudo popup every time I boot saying No command arguments supplied! How do I figure out where this is coming from?
[08:26] <skidzo> good morning
[08:33] <skidzo> I have an hardware related install request I would like to install kubuntu on a Thinkstation C20 Xeon X5660
[08:34] <skidzo> should i do the alternate or can i simply install the normal version?
[08:34] <skidzo> the system will be running on a 160 BG SSD
[08:49] <probme> why are you not talking ?
[08:52] <skidzo> I have an hardware related install request I would like to install kubuntu on a Thinkstation C20 Xeon X5660
[08:52] <skidzo>  should i do the alternate or can i simply install the normal version?
[08:52] <skidzo>  the system will be running on a 160 BG SSD
[08:52] <skidzo> anyone?
[08:52] <bazhang> skidzo,  a server?
[08:52] <skidzo> no it will be my workstation
[08:53] <bazhang> skidzo, either should do then
[08:53] <skidzo> ok what type of file system?
[08:53] <bazhang> skidzo, ext4 is default
[08:54] <skidzo> ok I think i will stay with ext4
[08:54] <skidzo> then just the normal 64bit
[08:54] <bazhang> sure
[08:55] <skidzo> ok thanks
[08:55] <skidzo> :-)
[08:55] <bazhang> :)
[08:56] <probme> ah his problem is solved.. Glad!
[08:58] <skidzo> well I was wondering if the SSD is chosen as default, and I am curious if the default os can be removed easily
[08:58] <bazhang> windows is preinstalled?
[08:59] <skidzo> since its early days ;-)
[08:59] <skidzo> thats the only reason why people use it or not?
[08:59] <bazhang> want to dual boot, or just only kubuntu
[08:59] <skidzo> i don't want to dual boot
[08:59] <bazhang> then sure, choose 'use entire disk'
[09:00] <skidzo> but i would like to stay with an image of the old configuration
[09:00] <bazhang> you may want to ask in ##windows how to do that as I have no idea :)
[09:01] <skidzo> hehe
[09:01] <bazhang> perhaps clonezilla, but really I'm clueless in that respect
[09:04] <skidzo> thanks for the hint actually i don't need to clone Win7 preinstalled
[09:05] <skidzo> but i would like to clone my system to the other machine which will arrive in a month
[09:06] <skidzo> I've seen that there is a clonezilla live dvd
[09:08] <skidzo> ok thanks a lot!
[09:08] <skidzo> bye!
[10:01] <skramer_> Just registered with openDesktop.org & would like to use KDE's Social Desktop feature. However, it seems it does not work as long as I'm using OpenID because I have to put my username and passwort... Any idea?
[10:02] <skramer_> I'm having OpenID Launchpad account, so how to make the Social Desktop use it?
[10:57] <GHH> bazhang,
[10:58] <GHH> Hello?
[10:59] <rork> Hi GHH
[11:00] <GHH> hi
[11:00] <GHH> rork, thank for reply but i have problem
[11:01] <GHH> rork, Do you have experience customizing Ubuntu?
[11:02] <rork> !ask | GHH
[11:02] <rork> I'm not the only one around, if I don't know the question someone else might
[11:02] <GHH> haha
[11:02] <GHH> OK
[11:04] <rork> I have little experience customizing ubuntu, but it's a broad term
[11:05] <GHH> I am trying to customize Ubuntu 10.10 or 10.04. But i want to get the basic KDE environment(Not kdm for GUI login interface and need to remove GDM)
[11:06] <GHH> Actually which package do i need to install?
[11:09] <rork> GHH: kubuntu-desktop for the full package, there's also a minimal KDE install but I can't find the name atm
[11:29] <andre_> moin
[12:22] <vhogemann> Hi there, this might be a trick question... Why the ctrl+shift shortcuts on Eclipse IDE stop working when running on KDE (4.6) ?
[12:22] <vhogemann> Really, it's very annoying
[12:23] <vhogemann> any insights?
[12:23] <Peace-> mm
[12:23] <pry> cheers
[12:23] <Peace-> maybe because shortcuts are changed
[12:24] <Peace-> vhogemann: try to see if that shortcuts is already taken by other kde application
[12:24] <vhogemann> Peace-: nah... I checked on Eclipse, and they're mapped as they used to be
[12:24] <Peace-> no..
[12:24] <Peace-> systemsettings
[12:24] <Peace-> shortcuts
[12:24] <Peace-> search for that shortcuts
[12:24] <Peace-> coudl be assigned to a kde application
[12:25] <vhogemann> Peace-: ok... Iĺl try that, but taking ctrl+shift+w on a system wide level?
[12:25] <vhogemann> This is just abusive, or mean
[12:25] <Peace-> vhogemann: i don't use ecclipse i don't know
[12:25] <Peace-> about that stuff
[12:25] <vhogemann> Heh
[12:26] <vhogemann> well, thanks for the tip... I'll try to look on system settings
[12:32] <Decorian> i have a strange mildly irritating issue, parts of the screen don't refresh when I scroll, particularly noticible in websites (rekonq) but also happens in kontact and okular, any ideas where to look for the source?
[12:34] <vhogemann> Decorian, pehaps your video driver... and desktop effects.
[12:34] <vhogemann> Decorian, try to disable Desktop Effects and see if the problem persists
[12:34] <Decorian> ok  thanks, i'll have a go
[13:47] <GuKK_devel_> I'm trying to install 10.04 and missing the printer for sending a fax. Where can I find it?
[13:51] <terror> hy!
[13:51] <terror> just installed kubuntu and was wondering , is it safe to update packages ?
[13:54] <Pici> terror: Why wouldn't it be?
[13:56] <terror> because of the xorg updates - i think there is a chance for the system to break (hope I'm wrong because they are already installing :) )?
[13:56] <terror> or are they tested prior to adding them in the default repositories ?
[13:56] <terror> aka considered stable
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:04] <Peace-> terror: wich version ?
[14:04] <Peace-> which
[14:04] <Peace-> 10.04?
[14:04] <Peace-> 10.10?
[14:04] <terror> 10.10
[14:05] <Peace-> terror: standard repository?
[14:05] <terror> yes
[14:05] <terror> didn't change anything related to software sources
[14:05] <Peace-> terror: why do you want upgrade your system doesn't it work well now?
[14:05] <Peace-> upgrade system = the best way to mess a working computer
[14:05] <Peace-> stable computer = no upgrade
[14:06] <terror> it feels kinda sluggish (x3100 intel card) , hoping it will be better after the updates
[14:06] <Peace-> if you have an issue you have the right to try to solve it with an upgrading
[14:06] <Peace-> terror: mm ok you can do this...
[14:06] <terror> well , updates are installed , gonna restart and keep fingers crossed
[14:07] <Peace-> terror: go on /var/cache/apt/archives/
[14:07] <Peace-> terror: in that folder therea re all packages
[14:07] <Peace-> and if you have not clean your system your old packages
[14:07] <Peace-> use the filter bar of dolhin
[14:07] <Peace-> and see xserver-xorg-video-intel
[14:07] <Peace-> it shoudl be one or more packages
[14:08] <Peace-> that are old packages and new pacakges
[14:08] <Peace-> if you got a bad upgrade you can downgrade it
[14:08] <Peace-> by sudo dpkg -i pathtooldpackagedeb
[14:08] <terror> terror@Aspire-5720Z:/var/cache/apt/archives$ ls | grep intel
[14:08] <terror> libdrm-intel1_2.4.21-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[14:08] <terror> xserver-xorg-video-intel_2%3a2.12.0-1ubuntu5.1_i386.deb
[14:08] <terror> so these 2 ?in case of a fail ?
[14:09] <Peace-> mm
[14:09] <Peace-> should be
[14:09] <terror> ok Peace , thank you very much , I appreciate your help
[14:09] <Peace-> xserver-xorg-video-intel-blablaNUMBER
[14:09] <Peace-> xserver-xorg-video-intel-blablaNUMBER+1
[14:10] <Peace-> you shoudl pick the older one if you get problems
[14:10] <Peace-> but if you have only one..
[14:10] <Peace-> i guess you have clean your system
[14:10] <Peace-> anwyway you can download the old packages
[14:10] <Peace-> from live cd
[14:10] <terror> ok , cool
[14:10] <terror> thanks , brb (hope it goes well)
[14:14] <terror> well , seems like the upgrade went well , but kwin still feels slow
[14:14] <terror> is that common on intel video cards ?
[14:22] <mandla> Hey guys, iv been using MS Office on Wine, now my document is kinda corrupt, how do i fix this?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> !VB mandla
[14:27] <BluesKaj> !VB | mandla
[14:27] <BluesKaj> !virtual
[14:27] <mandla> BluesKaj: Sir? I dnt understand.
[14:28] <mandla> BluesKaj: What i need to do is to repair my document coz it is showing boxes.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> MSOffice shouldn't be run in wine , you're better off using Open Office or libreoffice
[14:28] <cdybeijing> hi guys, I have a quick command line interpretation question... after some updates, I'm getting the following feedback:
[14:29] <BluesKaj> mandla,have you tried open office ..it supports most ms office docs
[14:30] <BluesKaj> cdybeijing, ?
[14:31] <cdybeijing> UserWarning: Module anki was already imported from /location/anki/_init_.py, but /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/anki-1.0.1-py2.6.egg is being added to sys.path
[14:31] <cdybeijing> after that, I am getting a runtime warning
[14:31] <mandla> BluesKaj: yah i tried it but its as well displaying boxes.
[14:31] <cdybeijing> I really don't know what happened, only updates I made were system prompted
[14:33] <cdybeijing> there is really a lot of feedback in the command line after I try to run the program, what I typed is only a little
[14:34] <weld> Hi, after some natty upgrade during the last days, desktop effects no longer can be enabled. when i log in with a new (empty) account, desktop effects are enabled though. i tried removing all kwin config files from my home folder, but it still doesn't allow me to enable desktop effects. does anyone know how i can reset all kwin related stuff?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> cdybeijing, maybe you're missing some repositories or have conflicting package updates from repositories
[14:34] <coder2> Hello
[14:34] <cdybeijing> since the program was working two days ago, I guess I must have a conflict
[14:34] <coder2> Please help me with KMix problem after KDE update 4.4.3->4.5
[14:34] <cdybeijing> is there a way to check for conflicts?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> weld, ask in ubuntu+1
[14:36] <BluesKaj> cdybeijing, I use synaptic to repair broken dependencies , it works quite well
[14:36] <weld> coder2: what's the problem with kmix?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> weld, #ubuntu+1
[14:37] <BluesKaj> coder2, open alsamixer and check your settings there
[14:37] <coder2> weld: Sound begins when mixer volume reaches 23%. Below 23% it is muted. And 23% sounds loudy
[14:39] <weld> coder2: oh, i had another problem then:) i could solve mine by deleting the kmix config files
[14:39] <coder2> weld: Where to find those fies?
[14:40] <weld> 'find -name kmix*' should find them
[14:40] <coder2> BluesKaj: alsamixer works like charm
[14:41] <coder2> BlueKaj: but sound volume icon in the desktop corner belongs KMix.
[14:41] <coder2> weld: thank you. I'll try
[14:45] <coder2> weld: Deleting kmix config files did not help
[14:45] <BluesKaj> cdybeijing, also sudo apt-get check , then if you have a prob , then sudo apt-get check -f
[14:46] <coder2> weld: I think it is connected with pulseaudio somehow
[14:46] <Peace-> coder2: have you got a problem with audio card?
[14:47] <coder2> I have got problems with kmix volume control after update KDE from 4.4.3 to 4.5
[14:47] <BluesKaj> coder2, kmix is just a kde link to alsamixer , if you havbe any M s in the vol ctrls then you have mute tuend on in alsamixer
[14:47] <Peace-> coder2: check if you hav pulseaudio installed please
[14:47] <coder2> Peace-: It is installed
[14:47] <Peace-> coder2: alsamixer -V all
[14:48] <Peace-> coder2: on the konsole please
[14:48] <Peace-> what do you see?
[14:48] <Peace-> i guess the pulse stuff
[14:48] <Peace-> coder2: anyway read this , it's my blog http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/audio-problem-with-kubuntu-10-10/
[14:48] <coder2> BluesKaj:  KMix now references to pulseaudio devices only
[14:49] <coder2> Peace-: I see alsamixer which smothly controls audio levels.
[14:49] <Peace-> coder2: or you install some stuff of pulse
[14:49] <Peace-> coder2: or you remove pulse
[14:50] <Peace-> coder2: read that page you could fix
[14:51] <coder2> Could someone advise how to rollback KDE to 4.4.3 on lucid. I have too much problems with KDE 4.5
[14:51] <Peace-> coder2: first
[14:51] <Peace-> coder2: remove the ppa
[14:51] <Peace-> coder2: second remove all kde packages
[14:52] <Peace-> coder2: then reinstall all kde packages
[14:52] <Peace-> are you wonder how ?
[14:52] <Peace-> ing
[14:52] <Peace-> xD
[14:52] <Peace-> coder2: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/reinstall-kde/
[14:52] <coder2> Peace-: thank you
[14:53] <florian_> i got no sound in firefox and no sound for flash
[14:53] <florian_> any idea?
[14:53] <florian_> using 4.6
[14:53] <Peace-> florian_: mmm libasound ?
[14:53] <Peace-> libasound2
[14:53] <Peace-> guess
[14:53] <Peace-> *not sure*
[14:54] <florian_> Peace-: already installed , newest version
[14:54] <Peace-> florian_: running firefox on the konsole what did it say?
[14:54] <Peace-> does
[14:54] <Peace-> :D
[14:55] <Peace-> florian_: sound where on flash ?
[14:56] <florian_> Peace-: *** NSPlugin Viewer  *** WARNING: unhandled variable 18 (<unknown variable>) in NPN_GetValue()
[14:56] <florian_> on sound for html5 videos either
[14:56] <florian_> no*
[14:56] <florian_> so generally no sound in browsers
[14:56] <coder2> Peace: The page http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/reinstall-kde/ contains shell command examples, but the examples exceed the page widt
[14:58] <Peace-> coder2: :S on chromium is workin fine
[14:58] <Peace-> here
[14:58] <florian_> Peace-: well i think its some pulseaudio issue
[14:58] <coder2> Peace-: Firebug works also. :-P
[14:59] <florian_> Peace-: it worked fine yesterday but today i got a new soundcard installed and had to switch output to that device
[14:59] <Peace-> florian_: mm alsamixer -V all
[14:59] <Peace-> florian_:  F6:  Select sound card
[14:59] <florian_> html5 video works in reqkonq
[15:00] <florian_> Peace-: yeah, that works fine
[15:00] <florian_> but i got no sound in firefox
[15:00] <florian_> nor flash
[15:00] <florian_> i think its a pulseaudio issue
[15:01] <florian_> somehow pulseaudio sound doesnt get routed to phonon
[15:01] <Peace-> florian_: mm go on system settings
[15:01] <Peace-> florian_: on multimedia
[15:01] <Peace-> florian_: backend ?
[15:01] <Peace-> have you what?
[15:01] <moldy> the first thing i do after installing kubuntu is get rid of pulseaudio :p
[15:02] <Peace-> moldy: mee too..
[15:02] <florian_> ok, i changed backend to gstreamer
[15:02] <Peace-> florian_: you need pulse?
[15:02] <florian_> only audio output is pulseaudio
[15:02] <Peace-> florian_: do you need pulse for some strange stuff like guitar?
[15:02] <Peace-> jack jackd?
[15:03] <Peace-> if not condiser to remove it..
[15:03] <Peace-> xD
[15:03] <florian_> i suppose not
[15:03] <Peace-> florian_: you too read this
[15:03] <florian_> linux printing + sound just sucks incredible
[15:03] <Peace-> florian_: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/audio-problem-with-kubuntu-10-10/
[15:03] <moldy> florian_: apt-get remove pulseaudio and you're probably good
[15:03] <Peace-> florian_: consider to install even phonon-backend-vlc
[15:04] <BluesKaj> florian_, install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:04] <Peace-> +1 BluesKaj
[15:04] <susundberg> sound hah! sound works fine but try to get 3D and Wlan to work
[15:04] <florian_> extras is installed
[15:05] <susundberg> And printing works mostly, fine though pdf cannot be printed in portrait mode :D
[15:05] <Peace-> florian_: have you removed pulse first?
[15:05] <susundberg> dont remove pulse, pulse is fine
[15:05] <BluesKaj> !Medibuntu | florian_
[15:05] <Peace-> susundberg: you say this
[15:05] <Peace-> susundberg: here there is a lots of people with huge problem with pulse
[15:06] <Peace-> susundberg: like me...
[15:06] <susundberg> run pavucontrol
[15:06] <Peace-> susundberg: i know that
[15:06] <susundberg> and check output/input devices
[15:06] <susundberg> (no this was for florian_ )
[15:06] <Peace-> nope man i will not install gtk stuff
[15:07] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio works fro some , but not for others , mostly it's for dedicated pci sound cards , for onboards PA can be troublesome, susundberg
[15:07]  * susundberg has onboard sound on 2 different machines and PA works fine
[15:07] <moldy> good thing they made it the default, considering how rare onboard sound cards are ;)
[15:08] <Peace-> ...
[15:08] <susundberg> but yes, i belive that its not perfect system yet :)
[15:08] <Peace-> susundberg: perfect?
[15:08] <Peace-> it sucks at all for me
[15:08] <susundberg> the kde mixer is missing some functionality that is only on pavucontrol
[15:08] <susundberg> if the mixer app is sucking its not server app fault
[15:08] <BluesKaj> susundberg, then you're lucky...it works on mine too but Im prefer to have more oprtions then PA provides
[15:08] <Peace-> it's not only pvacontrol you are missin
[15:08] <Peace-> there are 2 other stuff you should install if you want use pulse well
[15:09] <moldy> when i install pa, i don't have any useful mixer channels in kmix at all :p as soon as i uninstall it, everything is fine
[15:09] <Peace-> susundberg: pavucontrol  paprefs  paman
[15:09] <Peace-> moldy: the solution there is... pavucontrol  paprefs  paman
[15:09] <Peace-> moldy: but they are gtk...
[15:09] <Peace-> :S
[15:10] <susundberg> i havent need anything but pavucontrol and that to change my mic input port (that kmix does not support)
[15:10] <Peace-> so i remove pulse :D i get the old way :D
[15:10] <BluesKaj> to me PA is just another layer of unecessary audio processing that adds distortion
[15:10] <Peace-> BluesKaj: +1
[15:10] <susundberg> yeah and VESA also works quite reliable on graphical side .. ;)
[15:10] <moldy> Peace-: i can't be bothered. pa does no good for me. apt-get remove is the right solution in my case.
[15:11] <Peace-> moldy: :) mine too man
[15:11] <susundberg> but true, i have experienced weird balalaikka-sound some times
[15:11] <BluesKaj> susundberg, it may work for you but not evertone , you nedd to accept that
[15:11] <BluesKaj> everyone
[15:11] <susundberg> yea i do. But i just want to point out that its not _that bad_ system
[15:11] <Peace-> BluesKaj: you know i got always a lots of noise on my mic..
[15:11] <Peace-> BluesKaj: look at this ...
[15:11] <susundberg> that solution is always "remove it"
[15:11] <florian_> Peace-: got it working with pavucontrol
[15:11] <susundberg> \o/
[15:11] <florian_> i need to check alsa playback on MYSOUNDCARD
[15:12] <florian_> geez
[15:12] <Peace-> florian_: nice
[15:12] <florian_> kde, why ist there no pulseaudio setting!
[15:12] <florian_> the whole media setting sucks tons of dks
[15:12] <moldy> susundberg: a system that is apparently completely broken in so many cases is bad, imo.
[15:12] <Peace-> florian_: because kde deosn't support right now pulse well... kubuntu has decided to install it by default..
[15:12] <Peace-> that is
[15:12] <BluesKaj> florian_, speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[15:12] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i know you dont understand audio ... anyway.. http://blip.tv/file/4719321?filename=Nowardev-ScontornareCapelliKrita775.m4v
[15:13] <florian_> BluesKaj: got it working already
[15:13] <Peace-> BluesKaj: this is the best audio recording i can do.. :S
[15:13] <florian_> speakertest is dead though
[15:13] <Peace-> BluesKaj: on windows instead the signal is cleaner
[15:15] <florian_> btw what amazes my often is how extremely the ubuntu kernel sucks
[15:16] <BluesKaj> Peace-, I do understand audio , very well in fact ..been an audio phile and sound guy and musician/ drummer for 40 yrs , Your mic boost is too high and the input impedance of your mic might be mismatched with the pc audio mic in , that can caus eline noise probs
[15:16] <florian_> plus how hard it is to get your own working and install proprietary drivers for it
[15:17] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mm try it again anyway with max boost ... on windows i ahve nicer audio :S
[15:18] <BluesKaj> florian_, have you checked alsamixer for muted inputs and ctrls set too high or low
[15:18] <susundberg> its not ubuntu kernel that sucks its 3rd party drivers that are bad
[15:18] <florian_> BluesKaj: yes
[15:18] <susundberg> if they would just do proper job on the first place in upstream kernel world would be better place
[15:18] <susundberg> but no
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Peace-, NO! your mic boost is too high
[15:18] <florian_> susundberg: ive never had any problems with arch linux kernel + third party drivers
[15:18] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :) ok
[15:18] <susundberg> they do this shitty binary drivers that never work
[15:19] <florian_> ah yeah, i forgot to mention graphics drivers
[15:19] <florian_> wether closed or open source, both suck
[15:19] <susundberg> nice for you. GPU and WLAN is pain in the ass for me
[15:19] <susundberg> nvidia shitty shitty and wlan "there is no limits what we can do" devices
[15:19] <susundberg> fuck them
[15:19] <BluesKaj> there's no need for PA for most setups , if you have alsa set up properly
[15:19] <FloodBotK2> susundberg: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:19] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have set boost to zero... :S
[15:19] <Pici> susundberg: Please mind your language here.
[15:19] <Peace-> BluesKaj: no way i get some tic tic tic
[15:19] <Peace-> always
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Peace-, not zero just try 80% or so
[15:20]  * BluesKaj shakes his head
[15:20] <susundberg> BluesKaj: shoudn't the 'boost' be at zero but 'volume' at 80% ?
[15:21] <Peace-> BluesKaj: xD i set what i want but you got always tic tic tic tic every tot seconds :(
[15:21] <florian_> k, ty for help, cyall
[15:21] <BluesKaj> susundberg, depends on your card , some don't have a boost so it has no ctl slider
[15:21] <Peace-> *i get
[15:23] <BluesKaj> One thing you guys if you run Skype you need Pulseaudio
[15:24] <BluesKaj> skype on ubuntu requires pulesaudio , I thought I'd better mention that
[15:34] <gribouille> hi
[15:34] <gribouille> before upgrading kde, when I plugged my external HD, it was mounted under /media/disk. know, it is mounted under /media/<UUID>. what does that mean ?
[15:37] <susundberg> gribouille: the UUID is unique id for each disk
[15:37] <susundberg> !uuid
[15:38] <BluesKaj> gribouille, look in /etc/fstab to see if the device is listed
[15:38] <terror> Peace- : Thanks again for your help , I went ahead and installed KDE 4.6.0 from the ppa and its much snappier than 4.5 , I can enable most effects too wich is great!
[15:40] <gribouille> BluesKaj, no, it isn't
[15:41] <gribouille> susundberg, I know what an UUID is. my question is : why did kde's behavior change ?
[15:42] <gribouille> what is this uhelper mount option ?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> gribouille, ok it may be automounted like the cdrom is and neds no fstab/mtab link
[15:44] <BluesKaj> needs
[15:44] <vhogemann> Hi there, I have a Dell Studio with an ATI Mobility Radeon 540... And the notebook freezes when it comes back from sleep. I've found some bugs filled on launchpad for different Dell notebooks but none quite matches my own... Anyone here has issues with hibernate/sleep on Maverick ?
[15:44] <gribouille> BluesKaj, clearly, since it was automatically mounted
[15:44] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:45] <vhogemann> Oh, and the freeze happens both with fglrx and radeon drivers...
[16:22] <shane4ubuntu> Ohh, got it, it is fish://user@location:port/location/on/disk
[16:22] <shane4ubuntu> hmm
[16:22] <shane4ubuntu> :p
[16:22] <shane4ubuntu> lol
[16:23] <shane4ubuntu> I probably never would have guessed fish
[16:25] <james147> shane4ubuntu: if you can its generally better to use sftp rather then fish
[16:25] <shane4ubuntu> james147: does that work through ssh??
[16:25] <james147> shane4ubuntu: yes
[16:25] <shane4ubuntu> ahh, ok
[16:25] <shane4ubuntu> let me see if that works
[16:25] <shane4ubuntu> ok, works too
[16:25] <shane4ubuntu> is that more secure?
[16:26] <james147> shane4ubuntu: ^^ they basically do the smae thing, jsut fish is a perl (i think) hack to get it to work where sftp fails
[16:26] <shane4ubuntu> I'm not terrible concerned about security, as I'm working across LAN
[16:26] <james147> ^^ still its generally better
[16:26] <shane4ubuntu> right, I will use that, in gnome I think I just used: ssh://user@location:Port
[16:27] <shane4ubuntu> Thanks james147 for the info
[16:27] <james147> yeah, not sure what gnome is doing... i think sftp is the proper protacall
[16:27] <james147> (though i dont know)
[16:28] <Daskreech> shane4ubuntu: Fish does some nicer things but it makes a lot of assumptions about the server. sftp is actually within the spec so anywhere a ssh server exists you are sure that sftp will work
[16:28] <james147> Daskreech: what nicer things?
[16:28] <Daskreech> Updates preiodically without you having to hit refresh etc
[16:28] <shane4ubuntu> cool, I just like having gui ssh to copy and paste files on my computers, so that is nice enough for me.
[16:29] <Daskreech> There are some nice little differences but for the most part get used to sftp as fish is a hack though it is nice
[16:30] <Daskreech> shane4ubuntu: Choir <------------- -------------> preaching : shane4ubuntu
[16:30] <Daskreech> Gah
[16:30] <Daskreech> meant Daskreech for the first one
[16:30] <Daskreech> stupid fingers
[16:30] <shane4ubuntu> lol??  what
[16:30] <shane4ubuntu> lol
[16:30] <shane4ubuntu> you are a trip
[16:31] <Daskreech> shane4ubuntu: never heard the expression preaching to a choir? :)
[16:32] <shane4ubuntu> yes, I have, even used it, however I didn't get the gui picture of it. :)
[16:33] <shane4ubuntu> I never new that sftp worked with ssh, so in theory I could use that to my actual web page server (I have ssh access)
[16:34] <Daskreech> shane4ubuntu: exactly
[16:34] <Daskreech> and scp
[16:34] <james147> (and rsync)
[16:34] <shane4ubuntu> yes, I use scp and rsync over ssh, but never new I could have a gui setup through sftp and dolphin (or nautilus before)
[16:34] <Daskreech> james147: nope
[16:35] <shane4ubuntu> rsync -avuz -e ssh 'user@location'  works like a charm I use it regularly
[16:35] <james147> Daskreech: no?
[16:35] <Daskreech> james147: No ssh doesn't get you rsync automatically
[16:35] <Daskreech> you have to set that up yourself
[16:36] <james147> Daskreech: no, not automatically, but if rsync is on the remote then you can
[16:36] <Daskreech> ssh does get you sftp and scp automatically
[16:36] <shane4ubuntu> ohh, no, not without the option, you have to plug that in, but it does work well
[16:36] <shane4ubuntu> ok, thanks all, gotta run
[16:36] <Daskreech> Just saying because shane4ubuntu mentioned he has ssh on his server and as a consequence can sftp
[16:37] <Daskreech> Ok Bye shane4ubuntu
[16:37] <Daskreech> Always nice talking to you
[16:37] <shane4ubuntu> Same to you Daskreech appreicate the help!
[16:38] <shane4ubuntu> I prefer the sftp in dolphin rather than scp so I don't have to type all the names correctly. :)
[16:38] <Daskreech> I didn't do anything today :)
[16:38] <shane4ubuntu> of the copied files that is
[16:38] <Daskreech> shane4ubuntu: And you get a nice notification :)
[16:38] <shane4ubuntu> right
[16:39] <shane4ubuntu> ok cya
[16:49] <coder2> Hello
[16:50] <coder2> Please help me to reinstall kubuntu desktop
[16:51] <rork> coder2: can you tell us what you tried, what is the problem?
[16:55] <Daskreech> rork: that was helpful
[17:46] <Daskreech> I'm never quite sure if I'm happy that there is more activity on #kubuntu-devel than there is on #kubuntu
[17:48] <james147> Daskreech: well it either means there are no users, or no problems :D
[17:48] <james147> (or both)
[17:49] <Daskreech> Well this is still one of the larger rooms on Freenode
[17:50] <BluesKaj> amarok crashes in kde 4.6 , vlc is ok for video/movies but I'm crazy about it for music , ant recommends ?
[17:50] <Daskreech> and back in the day there was a constant set of issues streaming through here with each release we have a lot of people the two weeks after then it just gets really quiet
[17:50] <BluesKaj> not crazy
[17:50] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Juk? Bangarang?
[17:51]  * Daskreech uses Kaffiene a lot more for music than movies
[17:51] <anchorschmidt> Clementine is a great music player. It can also convert music.
[17:51] <james147> BluesKaj: have you tryed amarok with a clean profile?
[17:52] <james147> BluesKaj: I had an issue with the rc or final... where the dynamic playlists where causing amarok to crash, deleting tehm fixed it
[17:54] <yofel> BluesKaj: what's the backtrace?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> james147, , i use amarok to play a whole album , but otherwise I don't like it  much , it's clunky and unresponsive so i don't  create any playlists
[17:54]  * yofel had a hard time getting backtraces from amarok though recently...
[17:55] <BluesKaj> amarok was fine in kde3
[17:55] <BluesKaj> they ruined it IMO
[17:55] <BluesKaj> the devs that is
[17:55]  * james147 disagrees
[17:55] <BluesKaj> :)
[17:55] <yofel> it usually works fine here, last crash was phonon related, but that's natty
[17:56] <yofel> and I never tried amarok in kde3 ^^
[17:56] <Daskreech> Nakkel: Clementine then
[17:56] <Daskreech> But I still lik Juk
[17:56] <BluesKaj> I liked audacious but I try to keep gtlk apps to a minimum
[17:56] <Daskreech> it just plays music. That's all
[17:58] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, cool , I'll check it out
[18:04] <anchorschmidt> Just wrote a review of KDE 4.6. I tried to make this review as good as possible. http://www.tux-crazy.com/2011/02/kde-46-reviewed-power-packed-desktop.html
[18:08] <DarthFrog> Good as in the quality of the review or good as in presenting KDE SC 4.6 in the best possible light?
[18:09] <Daskreech> Yeah
[18:09] <Daskreech> I'm trying to figure that out as well
[18:09] <anchorschmidt> Quality of the review
[18:09] <anchorschmidt> I hope you like it
[18:09] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, so far i like juk's options and simple and easy layout :)
[18:10] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: it's annoyingly and refreshingly simple
[18:11] <BluesKaj> yup, so far so good Daskreech
[18:13] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: at somepoint you may hit stuff you want it to do (like stream) but it should get you there well over 80% of the time
[18:16] <BluesKaj> I don't stream much . this pc is our media server and it's located in the tv room with all the audio and video equipment connected up
[18:16] <Daskreech> anchorschmidt: runs as smoothly as a warm block of butter sliding over the frozen surface of a pond in winter
[18:16] <Daskreech> I take it you tried that?
[18:16] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: ah KIO should work nicely for that
[18:16] <anchorschmidt> haha, I was really surprised by how smooth it was so I wanted to express how smooth and this was the image that came in my head
[18:20] <Daskreech> :-)
[18:23] <Daskreech> ha ha
[18:23] <Daskreech> as a bonus it's open source
[18:24] <Daskreech> http://www.tux-crazy.com/p/how-software-is-reviewed.html <------ should be a standard
[18:24] <anchorschmidt> Thank you, I was really wondering how to judge software because it's not fair to give something marks because you feel like it, so I tried to come up with a method.
[18:28] <Daskreech> to be clear I don't thnk that all review sites should have those critera. Just somewhere that explains across the board how they approach reviews
[18:29] <anchorschmidt> yes, different people approach things differently but they should give some justification for the grades that they give software
[18:29] <onewayne> has anyone tried the new puppy 5.2 as a media center yet
[18:29] <Daskreech> Something like if it's from MS we try to nitpick and look for all the flaws we can but anything from Apple gets glowing praise despite any glaring omissions that everyone else has unless it's too expensive for us to buy then we will be disaapointed.
[18:30] <Daskreech> Just to give me a heads up
[18:30] <genii-around> onewayne: Whis is Kubuntu support :) Puppy is another animal altogether, so to speak
[18:30] <anchorschmidt> :) Have to leave now, thank you for the your comments
[18:31] <anchorschmidt> *you comments
[18:31] <anchorschmidt> *your comments
[18:31] <onewayne> not so linux all same i have them all
[18:31] <Daskreech> onewayne: Yes but the point being that if you ask in Puppy's channel you are far far far more likely to find puppy users
[18:32] <Daskreech> It's a good IRC rule of thumb I try to live by
[18:32] <genii-around> onewayne: Puupy Linux support is in #puppylinux
[18:41] <ubuntu_> Looking for how to implement RTOS in Ubunto
[18:41] <ubuntu_> Is this a good idea?
[18:42] <ubuntu_> Do UBUNTU as Realtime OS?
[18:43] <ubuntu_> Or.... do ANY have a good tips for OS strictly for radiocommunication?
[18:45] <Corin> I have an issue in Konsole...
[18:46] <Corin> It keeps telling me permission denied and a I've had to sudo certain commands that a friend tells me should not need to be.
[18:49] <genii-around> Corin: For graphical apps use kdesudo from the konsole for elevated privelege. For most commandline apps sudo is ok. Nano however and perhaps some others get their settings file overwritten and may complain they can't open it, etc. Changing permissions back on it usually fixes
[18:49] <rork> !info linux-rt
[18:52] <rork> ubuntu_: a real time kernell is available in 10.04 in as the linux-rt metapackage. I have no experience with it whatsoever or know if it's good for your tasks.
[18:52] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: replace your kernel with linux-rt
[18:52] <genii-around> ep
[18:53] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: and there are radio communication packages I just don't remember what they are called now ;9
[18:53] <genii-around> Misdirect, apologies
[18:54] <Corin> genii-around: The issue is when I'm compiling...
[18:54] <Corin> cmake won't work unless I sudo.
[18:57] <Corin> How do I run KDEsudo?
[18:58] <ubuntu_> go to konsoll and type sudo su, the your root pwd
[18:59] <Daskreech> ubuntu_: that's sudo he wants kdesudo (assuming He)
[18:59] <Daskreech> Corin: alt+F2 -> kdesudo <application> <arguments to application>
[19:00] <genii-around> ubuntu_: Do not recommend that
[19:00] <ubuntu_> kdesudo command NOT found :???
[19:00] <Daskreech> in general or for this situation ?
[19:00] <Corin> X_x
[19:00] <Corin> I'm so confused.
[19:00] <Daskreech> Corin: kdesu ? :)
[19:01]  * Corin is a very new Linux user.
[19:01] <anchorschmidt> it's kdesu
[19:01] <Daskreech> Sorry
[19:01] <Daskreech> Corin: welcome to Linux and KDE :)
[19:02] <Corin> What arguments do I put?
[19:02] <Corin> I'm confused.
[19:02] <ubuntu_> Xlib: conXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[19:03] <genii-around> Corin: sudo with cmake should be fine. It's a command-line app, and depending on what you're making with it, might require access to directories like /bin /sbin and so on which regular user has no write priveleges upon
[19:04] <Corin> genii-around: Regular users?
[19:04] <Datateknikk> if you type sudo su, then root pwd, you would not be NEEDED to type either su or sudo
[19:04] <Daskreech> anchorschmidt: http://identi.ca/conversation/62916334#notice-63718766
[19:05] <genii-around> Datateknikk: The use of "sudo su" in ubuntu is discouraged! sudo -i instead
[19:05] <Daskreech> Corin: sorry just if you are opening say a text editor you can put the file you want to open
[19:05] <genii-around> !root
[19:05] <Daskreech> so something like kdesu kate ~/Documents/rootrequired.txt
[19:05] <Datateknikk> to get in normal mode you may allso type exit after you du what you wanted to do
[19:06] <Datateknikk> to get out of root-mode
[19:06] <Daskreech> Corin: if that made any sense to you
[19:07] <anchorschmidt> Daskreech: Thank you so much, that meant a lot to me
[19:07] <Datateknikk> The root pwd, is what you typed as username in installing linux
[19:07] <Daskreech> anchorschmidt: I'm assuming that you know who that is? :)
[19:07] <maco> Datateknikk: er, not really
[19:07] <maco> Datateknikk: there is no root password
[19:08] <maco> !sudo | Datateknikk
[19:08] <Daskreech> Corin: if that didn't I can explain it slower
[19:08] <Datateknikk> If you have NO pwd in root, you may just type sudo su, nothin else
[19:08] <bazhang> Datateknikk, no
[19:08] <bazhang> Datateknikk, please listen
[19:08] <maco> Datateknikk: the root account is locked by default
[19:08] <Daskreech> Corin: Do you understand Linux permissions?
[19:08] <Datateknikk> I am experienced user of linux
[19:09] <bazhang> Datateknikk, its sudo -i for a root shell, sudo is enough
[19:09] <bazhang> Datateknikk, then please listen
[19:09] <maco> Datateknikk: ubuntu handles root differently from other distros
[19:09] <anchorschmidt> Daskreech: The KDE Kwin developer! I thought that it was you at first but now I had a great surprise, or is that you too?
[19:09] <bazhang> Datateknikk, recommending that is not the kubuntu/ubuntu way, so please do not
[19:09] <Daskreech> anchorschmidt: No that's the KWin maintainer
[19:09] <Datateknikk> i use ubunto
[19:09] <Corin> Daskreech: Kinda.
[19:10] <anchorschmidt> Daskreech: Wow, now I'm so motivated to make my website better and write better articles
[19:10] <Daskreech> I sent out the article on Identi.ca he read it and responded. I didn't give it to him directly but thought that him liking your image was nice :)
[19:10] <bazhang> Datateknikk, thats fine. do not recommend that in future, thanks.
[19:10] <Datateknikk> In terminal i type sudo su, to get root rights, then i type pwd, if there is
[19:10] <ikonia> Datateknikk: stop
[19:10] <ikonia> Datateknikk: that will break the permissions model in ubuntu
[19:10] <Datateknikk> ???
[19:10] <ikonia> Datateknikk: do not tell people to do that
[19:11] <Datateknikk> Permission model?
[19:11] <ikonia> yes
[19:11] <maco> Datateknikk: you'
[19:11] <maco> re not supposed to set a root password in ubuntu
[19:11] <anchorschmidt> Daskreech: Thank you very much :)
[19:11] <Datateknikk> Do not tell? Why?
[19:12] <Datateknikk> ubuntu is as all other, OPEN OS
[19:12] <ikonia> Datateknikk: because it breaks the user permissions model and does not set the root enviornment properly
[19:12] <Datateknikk> Do not follow you ikonia, what do you mean?
[19:13] <ikonia> if you don't understand, it's best you follow the advice and not recommend it
[19:13] <Daskreech> anchorschmidt: You don;t have an identi.ca account?
[19:13] <Datateknikk> cause why?
[19:14] <ikonia> I've just explained why
[19:14] <anchorschmidt> Daskreech: No, But I'll get one now.
[19:14] <Daskreech> anchorschmidt: ha ha Ok I can pass on your sentiments if you like
[19:14] <Reaper50435> I am having a problem I just put kubuntu on a different laptop and I updated the system and now I cant use the keyboard or the mousepad but I pulled a usb mouse in and it works fine but I dont have a usb keyboard. So how do I fix this
[19:15] <Datateknikk> Reaper50435, did you do direct copy, or fresh install?
[19:15] <anchorschmidt> Daskreech: This is really special for me. I think I'll do it. I've never used identi.ca but I hope that it's possible
[19:15] <Reaper50435> fresh
[19:15] <Daskreech> anchorschmidt: I can help you if you like
[19:15] <Datateknikk> strange, thinkpad?
[19:15] <Daskreech> Corin: Would you like me to explain the kdesu thing again?
[19:16] <Datateknikk> Reaper50435, strange, what computer do you have?
[19:17] <Corin> Not particularly.
[19:17] <Datateknikk> IBM is a computer with som incompatible hardware
[19:17] <Corin> I'm just wondering why I was told that it was a bad thing to have to sudo.
[19:17] <Reaper50435> Datateknikk: the one I installed kubuntu on is a dell inspiron 1501
[19:17] <ikonia> Corin: sudo is a good thing
[19:17] <Datateknikk> DELL?
[19:18] <Datateknikk> OOPs
[19:18] <Datateknikk> I throw all dell in the dumpster
[19:19] <Reaper50435> yeah i know but its my aunts
[19:19] <Datateknikk> You do have to install with KDE, NOT GNOME
[19:19] <ikonia> no you don't
[19:19] <ikonia> Datateknikk: do not miss-lead people
[19:19] <bazhang> Datateknikk, thats not right
[19:19] <ikonia> Reaper50435: you can use whatever desktop you want
[19:19] <anchorschmidt> Daskreech: I'm making an account right now, I'll tell you if I need anything :) Thank you
[19:19] <Datateknikk> The KDE has more compatibility for hardware then GNOME
[19:20] <Reaper50435> yeah i use arch linux with kde GUI on my laptop
[19:20] <ikonia> Datateknikk: it's a desktop, not the OS, the OS is hardware compatible, not the desktop
[19:20] <ikonia> Datateknikk: do not miss-lead people again
[19:20] <Daskreech> Corin: no if you run a GUI application with sudo it can mess things up
[19:20] <Daskreech> Corin: but cmake is fine
[19:20] <Daskreech> since it's obviously not a GUI
[19:21] <Datateknikk> I fackt, i have dificulty with som hardware with GNOME, and have all hardware listed in KDE, tell me why then wiseass
[19:21] <bazhang> Datateknikk, stop it
[19:21] <Daskreech> Datateknikk: it has better support for your hardware. I'm sure you have people that can't get KDE working with thier hardware and they are fine with GNOME
[19:22] <Daskreech> anchorschmidt: alright :)
[19:22] <Datateknikk> As all iknow, this is a channel for K----ubuntu, as in KDE
[19:22] <ikonia> Datateknikk: it is a channel for kubuntu, that doesn't mean misslead people that kubuntu fixes gnome problems
[19:22] <Daskreech> Datateknikk: correct but the support for hardware comes from the Kernel
[19:22] <anchorschmidt> Daskreech: I sent him a message. Wow, this is really exciting, for a KDE developer to read my review
[19:22] <Datateknikk> I tests computers against GNOME and KDE, KDE gets on top every time
[19:23] <ikonia> Datateknikk: stop now please, I appreciate you like kde, but making up things to make people use it is wrong
[19:23] <Daskreech> anchorschmidt: :-D Welcome to participating in FOSS
[19:23] <Corin> Can the terminal be used to delete a folder?
[19:24] <bazhang> Corin, sure
[19:24] <Corin> How?
[19:24] <ikonia> Corin: "rm"
[19:24] <Daskreech> Corin: rmdir is the "official" way
[19:24] <genii-around> Corin: If the folder has stuff in it, use rm -rf foldername
[19:24] <Daskreech> but it means you have to ensure the folder is empty
[19:24] <ikonia> Datateknikk: no it's not "official"
[19:24] <Daskreech> most people use rm -rf
[19:24] <ikonia> oops
[19:24] <ikonia> Daskreech: rmdir is not "official"
[19:25] <Daskreech> ikonia: I think you are reacting
[19:25] <gpc> Datateknikk: stop with the misinformation.
[19:25] <Datateknikk> I dont just like, KDE, i having extremly positive hardware compatibility with KDE, as in, it has to have somthing GNOME does NOT have, in communication with kernel
[19:25] <ikonia> Daskreech: no, I'm not
[19:25] <Daskreech> ikonia: You are responding to the wrong person :)
[19:25] <ikonia> Daskreech: ahh yes
[19:25] <ikonia> my apologies
[19:26] <Daskreech> Corin: -r makes it delete folders recursively and -f means force
[19:27] <anchorschmidt> Daskreech: All thanks to you
[19:27] <Daskreech> Really? I didn't write any reviews :)
[19:27] <Datateknikk> talk about discrimator, kick me cause i say KDE has better support for hardware then GNOME?
[19:28] <Daskreech> Datateknikk: Look take this to kubutu-offtopic
[19:28] <bazhang> Datateknikk, lets move on please
[19:28] <Datateknikk> It is in FACKT
[19:28] <Daskreech> Datateknikk: #kubuntu-offtopic please
[19:29] <Datateknikk> Why, cause people is to be told KDE is bad?
[19:29] <Datateknikk> Do you get payed by MICROSOFT?
[19:30] <genii-around> Datateknikk: This channel is for assisting people with their kubuntu problems. If you want to discuss how good or bad kde is, or other things not directly relating to helping users with their kubuntu problems, then #kubuntu-offtopic is the correct channel for that
[19:31] <Datateknikk> Tell me. WHY am i NOT allowed to even mention sudu su?
[19:31] <ikonia> Daskreech: because it is not the ubuntu supported method, it breaks the permissions model and can cause problems
[19:32] <Daskreech> Datateknikk: You are allowed to mention it but don't recommend it
[19:32] <ikonia> Daskreech: as I've told you
[19:32] <Datateknikk> cause?
[19:32] <Daskreech> ikonia: projecting again :)
[19:32] <ikonia> Daskreech: how annoying
[19:32] <ikonia> my apologies
[19:32] <Daskreech> Datateknikk: because of what ikonia just said. the method recommended is sudo -i
[19:33] <Daskreech> which does the same thing as far as the user is concerned and has better permission security
[19:33] <Datateknikk> I am an tecknican, i DO use this everytime, what is wrong doing this?
[19:33] <Daskreech> Datateknikk: take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:33] <ikonia> Datateknikk: the fact that I'm telling you and you still don't get it shows you shouldn't ask and just accept it
[19:34] <Daskreech> Corin: how are you going?
[19:35] <Corin> I'm fine.
[19:35] <Corin> I guess I was just being paranoid.
[19:35] <Corin> However, I am recompiling from scratch, since there seems to be a bug.
[19:35] <Daskreech> doesn't mean that you are wrong :)
[19:39] <Corin> The odd thing is, I'm technically using a program that's not installed on my computer.
[19:40] <Daskreech> Corin: not an issue as long as you have a path to it and rights
[19:41] <Daskreech> I use programs not installed on my computer all the time
[19:41] <Corin> No.
[19:41] <Corin> I meant... I erased it from my computer but I'm still using it. :)
[19:43] <genii-around> Corin: If you create a program from source code by downloading the source code and doing cmake or so on, then it is not going to be seen as having been installed by the package manager system
[19:44] <Corin> genii-around: Not what I'm saying. lol
[19:44] <Torch> Corin: you erased the application binary via rm?
[19:44] <Torch> Corin: while the program was running?
[19:44] <Corin> ^
[19:44] <Torch> Corin: not a problem for linux. you could even restore the binary via /proc if you wanted to
[19:45] <Corin> I know.
[19:45] <Corin> I didn't say it was a problem.
[19:45] <Corin> I just meant that it amused me.
[19:57] <Datateknikk> nonsens
[20:15] <Goliath> hey
[20:15] <Goliath> i cant maximize emacs or gvim window in kde
[20:15] <Goliath> why is that?
[20:20] <Corin> Goliath: Did you happen to force the window sizes? :o
[20:20] <Goliath> yes
[20:20] <Goliath> doesnt work
[20:20] <Corin> No, I meant...
[20:21] <Corin> Forcing the window size makes it so you can't maximize that window.
[20:55] <hauni> hey guys ... got a pretty new toshiba laptop with xd card reader ... got the newest kubuntu ... can't get the xd card reader to work ... any easy tricks????
[20:56] <hauni> i mean like something I'll have it working in 15 min
[20:56] <Daskreech> hauni: does it turn up in lshw?
[20:56] <hauni> lshw?? what's that
[20:57] <hauni> ok, running it
[20:58] <hauni> can u help, what should i look for??? long list
[21:27] <jamesjedimaster> hi, I'm running kubuntu 10.04 fully updated, but the kernel is 2.6.32.21-generic, while an ubuntu 10.04 fully updated has kernel 2.6.32.28, my question is: why kubuntu doesn't update the kernel as ubuntu?
[21:32] <yofel> jamesjedimaster: it should... do you have the 'linux-image-generic' package installed?
[21:34] <jamesjedimaster> yofel: yes, on both computers, nothing changed on kernel options
[21:34] <yofel> that is really odd....
[21:34] <Daskreech> hauni: Sorry walked off. you are looking for something that looks like a card reader. You can do sudo lshw -html > mycomputer.html to look at it in a browser
[21:34] <yofel> !info linux-image-generic lucid-security
[21:35] <yofel> !info linux-image-generic lucid
[21:35] <yofel> see, 2.6.32.28
[21:35] <jamesjedimaster> yofel: the annoying thing is that on every update, kubuntu keep the generic kernel out of the update, change grub and makes me reboot
[21:36] <jamesjedimaster> reading...
[21:36] <yofel> jamesjedimaster: is linux-image-2.6.32-28-generic installed ?
[21:38] <Gorroth> hi there
[21:38] <Gorroth> i'm familiar with the older init-style systems where you can chagne some file like /etc/ttys or something and change the default runlevel.  how do i do that in kubuntu 10.10?
[21:38] <jamesjedimaster> yofel: i use kpackagekit rarely, i update via cli, and now i see that linux-image-2.6.31-21-generic is set on kpackagekit... :/
[21:39] <Gorroth> actually, i'm just interested in finding out what runlevel i'm on
[21:39] <jamesjedimaster> and i see newer versions
[21:39] <Gorroth> i'd usually see it inittab
[21:39] <yofel> jamesjedimaster: cli should be fine as long as you use aptitude or apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:40] <Gorroth> what i REALLY want to do is make sure KDM doesn't start when i start kubuntu
[21:40] <mark____> hello
[21:40] <Gorroth> i just want it to go to a command prompt
[21:40] <mark____> uu is working
[21:40] <mark____> hello to everyone
[21:41] <jamesjedimaster> yofel: it was a clean install, let me check another options on kpackagekit or aptitude to set linux-generic instead of xxxxx21-generic. thanks
[21:41] <mark____> I'm a new user of linux
[21:41] <mark____> and  need some help please
[21:41] <yofel> jamesjedimaster: linux-image-generic is a meta package that depends on the newest kernel
[21:41] <yofel> so you'll usually have both installed
[21:42] <mark____> is someone so kind to help me with a very simple issue I have
[21:42] <yofel> !ask | mark____
[21:43] <mark____> thanks then, sorry I'm competely new to this
[21:44] <jamesjedimaster> yofel: so, if i set linux-image-generic, it will update to the current kernel even if i don't check it on kpackagekit?
[21:44] <yofel> well, you do need to install updates...
[21:44] <mark____> ok, I have installed latest verson of kubuntu on a laptop, now I need to installa micro usb wireless card, this comes with linux drivers on a cd, but I have no idea on how to install it
[21:44] <yofel> just do 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' if you prefer cli
[21:45] <yofel> mark____: and the card doesn't work without the drivers?
[21:45] <jamesjedimaster> i don't want 10.10 :)
[21:45] <mark____> no it does not work
[21:46] <mark____> in th einterfaces is showing up
[21:46] <yofel> jamesjedimaster: dist-upgrade has nothing to do with 10.10 as long as you don't edit your sources.list
[21:46] <yofel> the debian folks just mis-named it
[21:46] <jamesjedimaster> ok
[21:46] <yofel> or use aptitude full-upgrade
[21:46] <mark____> but can't scan for signals
[21:46] <yofel> less ambigous
[21:49] <mark____> when I click on the interfaces is showing up at the bottom with "driver rtl819xU
[21:49] <yofel> Gorroth: what release are you on?
[21:50] <Gorroth> 10.10
[21:50] <yofel> we use upstart there, which doesn't really work with runlevels (the default runlevel is 2 though for everything else)
[21:50] <Daskreech> mark____: what is the micro usb card?
[21:50] <yofel> !upstart
[21:51] <yofel> Gorroth: you can edit /etc/init/kdm.conf though to make the display manager not start up
[21:51] <mark____> the brand is micronext but on the instruction at the bottom it says realtek 11n usb wireless
[21:52] <yofel> Gorroth: or add an (and runlevel [!3]) to the start on statement there if you want to be able to override that on boot, upstart does support runlevels, but most services ignore them by default
[21:55] <Daskreech> !realtex
[21:55] <Gorroth> okay.  thanks a lot.  i read through kdm.conf and saw the logic that uses what's on the kernel argument line
[21:55] <Daskreech> !realtek
[21:55] <Gorroth> i'll change grub to add "text" to the cmdline options
[21:55] <mark____> thanks ubottu
[21:55] <yofel> er, I think that only affects the bootsplash
[21:56] <youAreNotFOSS> What is the effect around the Kubuntu window's that is like a soft blurred shadow
[21:56] <maco> i think it doesnt actually have an effect, and its just the fact that you removed "quiet splash" that does it
[21:57] <youAreNotFOSS> i saw it in a post your desktop topic, and i never seen it in a kubuntu release
[21:57] <yofel> youAreNotFOSS: you mean the blue shadow?
[21:57] <youAreNotFOSS> yofel, might be. i will try
[21:57] <yofel> that should be part of oxygen
[21:58] <yofel> yep, system settings -> workspace appearance -> window decorations -> (select oxygen) Configure decorations -> shadows
[21:59] <yofel> the active window glow
[21:59] <yofel> (if that's what you mean)
[22:00] <youAreNotFOSS> odd. what is the approved method of installing the K on ubuntu? as in i don't want the K programs to appear in Ubuntu when i switch back. need the K before i can check the shadow thing
[22:01] <maco> the defaulty normal way would mess with the menus, but i saw a script yesterday that sets the "only show in ___" flags in the .desktops
[22:01] <maco> youAreNotFOSS: http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/13/ubuntu-to-kubuntu-keeping-the-menus-clean/
[22:08] <youAreNotFOSS> sorry my mom was calling about groceries. i will have the scripts going in a minute
[22:09] <ardian> Hi what do you use instead of Gnote or Tomboy ?
[22:09] <Daskreech> ardian: knotes or basket
[22:09] <amp082> can someone lead me in the right direction on how to get my Broadcom wifi adapter working in 10.10? I've tried the steps I used for Ubuntu and there seem to be differences
[22:09] <ardian> hmmm Knotes is a bit different
[22:10] <Daskreech> maco: I thought those were set by default. All the packages have them and you have a only show in KDE preference in kmenuedit
[22:11] <maco> Daskreech: nah most .desktops dont have those at all. just the configuration tools tend to. but like..someone might actually want to use tomboy in kde
[22:11] <maco> (i do)
[22:16] <Daskreech> I know they are there
[22:16] <Daskreech> Just saying they can be hidden the last time I checked
[22:16] <Daskreech> hi jono_
[22:16] <jono_> hey Daskreech
[22:17] <Daskreech> How's it going?
[22:17] <jono_> Daskreech, not bad thanks, full of cold though :-(
[22:20] <Daskreech> Sorry to hear
[22:21] <psycho_> hi @ all :-D
[22:25] <Daskreech> Hi psycho_
[22:25] <Daskreech> Things I hoped never to say in life
[22:46] <amp82> can someone help me figure out how to get my Broadcom wifi working? I had it working in vanilla Ubuntu but can't in Kubuntu, packages needed seem to be different
[22:49] <jamesjedimaster> amp82: check on applications / system / hardware drivers
[22:49] <jamesjedimaster> let the system to update, then check the broadcom, reboot, and try your wifi
[22:50] <amp82> I have no connection available to let it update, wifi is my only option
[22:53] <amp82> I found I can install dkms, patch, fakeroot, and bcmwl to get it to work in Ubuntu, but that process won't seem to work
[23:10] <sobczyk> hi, anyone have the problem with no sound in skype? (having sound in rest of the applications)
[23:44] <youAreNotFOSS> weird i logged out from gnome after starting up in a kubuntu look, it was in gnome thus why i logged out. so i logged out and it gets stuck at some screen like it shows when booting up
[23:45] <Confused> Hi, I am having a DVD playback problem.  Any experts in here who can help me a bit?
[23:54] <youAreNotFOSS> i guess i will just force shut off