[03:17] <charlie-tca> anybody ran today's updates and lost firefox?
[03:18] <rmcbride_nb> haven't lost firefox
[03:19] <rmcbride_nb> just pretty much crippled my main laptop until new nvidia drivers come out. my external monitor is connected via HDMI, which apparently nouveau doesn't like much (I can imagine why)
[03:19] <charlie-tca> oh, I lost them a couple of days ago, but today firefox went away
[03:20] <rmcbride_nb> I'll have to update again in a bit I guess.
[03:20] <charlie-tca> what a mess
[03:21] <charlie-tca> How can I be the only one with firefox missing now?
[03:22]  * charlie-tca done real good... :-)
[03:22] <rmcbride_nb> I last updated 5 or 6 hours ago
[03:23] <charlie-tca> well, I guess this is an opportunity! I can test midori and epiphany
[03:23] <sagaci> missing firefox? ha, i'm getting kernel panics on boot
[03:25] <charlie-tca> Then I consider myself fortunate, after all.
[03:27] <rmcbride_nb> my intel video based laptop picks a random dimness level on each boot, and doens't respond to ACPI signals, which is fun
[03:45] <charlie-tca> stole gedit too
[03:51] <Spirits-Sight> why is update-manager trying to remove and install kde stuff when it not install on my system, gnome is and its a2 of 11.04
[04:00] <charlie-tca> it removes a ton of packages if you let it run, too
[04:09] <h00k> it appears the ubuntu-desktop metapackage is broken
[04:09] <h00k> things like firefox,
[04:09] <h00k> packages are brokens
[04:10] <rww> it happens
[04:10] <h00k> yes
[04:11] <h00k> I think unity was uninstalled. I have this odd desktop session with the default gnome menu applet going on
[04:11]  * h00k shrugs
[04:11] <h00k> as long as I can launch my apps for now.
[04:13] <charlie-tca> h00k: bug 712898 ?
[04:14] <h00k> Probably, yeah.
[04:14] <charlie-tca> easy test, try to install firefox in a terminal
[04:14] <h00k> yeah, broken stuffs.
[04:14] <charlie-tca> it blamed it on python-gtk2 here, but it is much more than that alone
[04:14] <h00k> from what I've looked at, python-gtk2 appears to be the issue
[04:14] <h00k> Yes. I haven't really looked further
[04:15] <h00k> I use chromium-browser anyway ;)
[04:15] <charlie-tca> ah, it takes gedit, too
[04:15] <h00k> vim! :D
[04:15] <charlie-tca> and at least 15-20 others here
[04:15] <h00k> I'm still productive, anyway. And yeah, I lost aton.
[04:15] <h00k> * ton
[04:16] <gunndawg> VIM is awesome :)
[04:18] <charlie-tca> thanks, h00k. At least it is not just me
[04:18] <h00k> charlie-tca: I just kinda accepted it and figured a ton of other people were having the same thing
[04:19] <charlie-tca> I haven't found another bug for it yet
[04:19] <charlie-tca> but, it is hard to file if ff goes away and it is your browser
[04:31] <kklimonda> !op
[04:31] <rww> what
[04:31] <kklimonda> can someone change the topic to inform that there is a broken dependency in natty? ;)
[04:31] <Amaranth> uh
[04:31] <bazhang> kklimonda, yes?
[04:31] <rww> that is not what "channel emergency" is
[04:31] <Amaranth> Just don't do the upgrade
[04:32] <Amaranth> If you're using natty and make such a silly mistake you deserve what you get
[04:32] <rww> also, there are people using development releases of Ubuntu that don't use safe-upgrade?
[04:32] <kklimonda> rww: quite a few people do that
[04:32] <rww> quite a few people are doing it wrong.
[04:32] <h00k> kklimonda: that wasn't the appropriate time.
[04:32] <charlie-tca> rww: where does it tell you to only use safe-upgrade?
[04:33] <Amaranth> charlie-tca: No one holds your hand in development releases, you're supposed to know what you're doing
[04:33] <rww> charlie-tca: Theoretically, people using development releases ar... what Amaranth said.
[04:33] <charlie-tca> and I do know
[04:34] <charlie-tca> That doesn't mean safe-upgrade, though, anymore than it means I have to use aptitude or have to use apt-get or have to use update-manager
[04:34] <kklimonda> and just like always, there are people who will join the channel to ask where did their applications go. Adding it to the topic will make the process of saying "yes, we know that something is wrong" faster.
[04:34] <charlie-tca> It also does not mean we can not alert people that something will break their system, does it?
[04:36] <kklimonda> (it has been done few times in the past, so I don't see what the discussion is about other than me using the trigger, which I did because in my experience most of the time ops don't follow this channel)
[04:36] <Amaranth> huh, I guess we're getting a new python-gobject and you're expected to use gobject-introspection
[04:37] <Linden940> anyone in here or all sleeping?
[04:38] <Amaranth> kklimonda: Personally I'll put something if the topic if you end up with an unbootable system due to a package bug but upgrading mid-transition and losing all of your desktop apps is your own fault and everyone using natty should know better
[04:38] <Amaranth> s/if the topic/in the topic/
[04:38] <kklimonda> Amaranth: it's not really a mid-transition issue
[04:38] <rmcbride_nb> I hardly call upgrading at an alpha2 release mid-transiotion
[04:39] <rmcbride_nb> transition, even
[04:39] <Amaranth> You don't seem to know what a transition is
[04:39] <charlie-tca> and how do you find out if it is mid-transmission. No one ever said I have to be a developer and know programming to do any testing
[04:39] <rmcbride_nb> ok
[04:39] <Linden940> anyone in here running 11.04 on a nvidia card?
[04:39] <kklimonda> Amaranth: the problem is related to removing python2.6 from the dependencies of python-gobject, which wasn't done as a transition from py 2.6 -> py 2.7, but to not pull python2.6 on CD
[04:39] <Amaranth> charlie-tca: Don't dist-upgrade when it's going to remove half your desktop
[04:40] <Amaranth> Linden940: nvidia driver doesn't work, you have to use nouveau or vesa
[04:40] <Linden940> i installed 11.04 for testing and i can login but nothing will show on the screen
[04:40] <Amaranth> kklimonda: Right, that's a transition :)
[04:40] <kklimonda> Amaranth: it's a hack
[04:40] <Linden940> Amaranth, uninstall and install either vesa or nouveau an i'll be good 2 go?
[04:40] <Amaranth> Things just need rebuilds to not generate python 2.6 stuff
[04:41] <Amaranth> Linden940: I imagine what you're seeing is a nouveau issue
[04:41] <kklimonda> Amaranth: python 2.6 has not yet been dropped from natty
[04:41] <Amaranth> kklimonda: It's what we're working on doing though
[04:41] <Linden940> ok thansk Amaranth i will pop back over on that hd an give that a shot
[04:43] <charlie-tca> Well, I certainly learned to keep quiet when things screw up
[04:43] <Amaranth> charlie-tca: Is there a bug reported?
[04:43] <charlie-tca> Wouldn't really want to disturb anyone
[04:43] <charlie-tca> yes
[04:44] <Amaranth> Well then, everyone who needs to know knows
[04:44] <charlie-tca> As I said, I won't tell what went wrong again in here
[04:44] <Amaranth> Whatever you say
[04:48] <rmcbride_nb> FWIW, I'm well aware of what a transition is. I don't think a clear release marker is MID transition. I think that would be while a stack is in the middle of beign upgraded.
[04:54] <Linden-0001> Amaranth what was the program you said to install?
[04:55] <Amaranth> Linden-0001: Nothing to install, I was telling you nouveau is probably broken for your card
[04:55] <Linden-0001> hmm how u think i can get that fixed?
[04:55] <Linden-0001> or you dont think there is anything i can do at this time?
[04:55] <Amaranth> Linden-0001: File a bug and wait, basically
[04:55] <Linden-0001> lol fun fun...not
[04:56] <Amaranth> Linden-0001: Actually at the gdm screen once you choose the user to sign in change your session to classic desktop before typing in your password
[04:56] <Amaranth> See if you still have problems
[04:56] <rmcbride_nb> Linden-0001: it is a known issue, and we're waiting on new driver packages from Nvidia and AMD
[04:56] <Linden-0001> its fine until i set the driver
[04:57] <rmcbride_nb> Linden-0001: nouveau has issues for some folls
[04:57] <Linden-0001> then nothing will come on the screen
[04:57] <rmcbride_nb> folks even
[04:57] <Amaranth> Linden-0001: "set the driver"?
[04:57] <rmcbride_nb> does VESA work even a litlte?
[04:58] <Linden-0001> Amaranth i am talkin about when you go to the additional drivers and i try to install my driver
[04:58] <Amaranth> Linden-0001: Oh, don't do that
[04:58] <Linden-0001> it will install but once i restart then nothing will show up on the screen
[04:58] <Amaranth> Linden-0001: As I said, the nvidia driver doesn't work right now
[04:58] <Linden-0001> lol i see that now....was thinking i was messing it up some how an i was like wtf...
[04:59] <Linden-0001> thats why i was askin lol...wanted to make sure i was not missin somethin
[05:00] <Linden-0001> sometimes i hate having a nvidia card with ubuntu
[05:00] <Amaranth> s/with ubuntu//
[05:01] <Linden-0001> well guess i will have to wait to play with 11.04 for now
[05:03] <rmcbride_nb> I don't think having one of the cards that really renders Unity well is a reason to feel bad
[05:03] <Amaranth> rmcbride_nb: An intel 945 runs unity well :)
[05:03] <Amaranth> Yay compiz
[05:04] <charlie-tca> It seems like we go through the same video card driver needs an update thing each release.
[05:04] <Linden-0001> i want to find out more about this unity deal
[05:04] <rmcbride_nb> Amaranth: It well may, last time I tried to run Unity on my VAIO it said it couldn't work.
[05:05] <Amaranth> charlie-tca: That's because the xserver DDX ABI changes almost every release and we have to wait for nvidia and amd to care enough to recompile their driver
[05:05] <charlie-tca> last time it was ATI that waited for the updates
[05:05] <Amaranth> fglrx is broken right now too :)
[05:05] <Amaranth> And will likely be until about a month before release
[05:05] <rmcbride_nb> yep, unfortunately
[05:05] <Linden-0001> i hope it wont be that long
[05:06] <kklimonda> heh, nvidia is broken, nouveau is broken with unity.. I guess it won't get enough testing from nvidia users again..
[05:06] <Amaranth> Luckily unless you have the very latest radeon hardware you can at least use the open source driver and get acceleration
[05:06] <Amaranth> kklimonda: I wish it wouldn't get any testing from nvidia users :P
[05:07] <Amaranth> the nvidia driver is such a huge pile of crap
[05:08] <rmcbride_nb> It seems to work quite well for me sigma any ABI version issues
[05:08] <Amaranth> Lots of weird little issues, terrible power management, randomly working suspend support
[05:08] <kklimonda> well, I'm not the one to defend nvidia, but according to just about every developer out there (recently Mozilla ones) their driver is much better than any open one ;)
[05:09] <Amaranth> kklimonda: Funny thing about that, the intel driver was actually already doing as well as the nvidia one in mozilla's tests except for one test crash
[05:09] <Linden-0001> i like the card as i find them to have great video
[05:09] <Linden-0001> can be a bitch to get to work right on ubuntu tho
[05:09] <Amaranth> Linden-0001: On linux in general, really
[05:10] <Amaranth> Binary drivers don't really get along with linux
[05:10] <kklimonda> which isn't really a fault of binary drivers.
[05:10] <Linden-0001> Amaranth yea...aman to that....if it can be more "usable" on liunx it will become a very bad ass card
[05:10] <Amaranth> Ubuntu makes it very easy to use though, unless you use a development version
[05:10] <Linden-0001> i love the video out put it has *i use it on my hd tv screen an its GREAT*
[05:11] <Amaranth> kklimonda: You want to roll back all of the changes in linux graphics for the past 5 years? I don't
[05:11] <Amaranth> nvidia is about to be broken entirely, they have no plans to support wayland
[05:11] <kklimonda> Amaranth: not true
[05:11] <kklimonda> Amaranth: they have no plans to support kms
[05:11] <kklimonda> there is a difference
[05:12] <Amaranth> kklimonda: Last I heard the wayland required KMS :)
[05:12] <kklimonda> last time I checked, kernel interface required for kms was exported as GPL only
[05:12] <Amaranth> Well, really it requires a GEM API
[05:13] <Amaranth> kklimonda: So that just means they have to do all the work themselves and can't hook in to the existing kernel stuff
[05:13] <kklimonda> Amaranth: wayland devs have said that wayland requires mode setting, plus some other features (I dont' remember what right now) and if Nvidia can provide them, then there isn't anything stopping wayland from running on their cards.
[05:14] <kklimonda> Amaranth: but then nvidia has been doing exactly that from the beginning.
[05:14] <Amaranth> kklimonda: Right, if nvidia will implement all the APIs the same as the open source drivers wayland won't know the difference
[05:14] <kklimonda> which I hate them for, but it worked so far.
[05:14] <Amaranth> But they've said they have no plans to do that so...
[05:16] <kklimonda> Amaranth: if wayland kicks off they will make plans. For now it's still an experimental feature, I can't blame them for not stating anything at this time.
[05:16] <Amaranth> It's the focus of the graphics developers though
[05:17] <Amaranth> If they aren't working on it now we're going to get to a point where they need to play catchup and nvidia users are screwed for some time
[05:18] <kklimonda> well, nvidia users had it too easy till now ;)
[05:18]  * magn3ts sigh, natty remains unusable in virtualbox :(
[05:18] <kklimonda> now it's their time to suffer!
[05:18]  * kklimonda pats his nvidia gpu
[05:19] <Amaranth> my laptops will always be intel and for now my desktops will always be amd
[05:19] <Amaranth> Just because amd makes better GPUs right now
[05:19] <kklimonda> they do? I don't keep track.
[05:19] <kklimonda> I just ask some friends "which is a better gpu now?" when I have to buy something.
[05:20] <Amaranth> Well, nvidia technically has the performance crown but it's like 10% better but uses enormous amounts of power and puts out a lot of heat
[07:10] <Gumby> anyone know a way around the broken python 2.6 dependencies ?
[07:15] <kklimonda> wait for it to be fixed and dont do a full upgrade.
[07:18] <Gumby> hehe, too late on the upgrade.
[07:19] <Gumby> just wondering if there was a fix I hadnt found yet
[07:19] <Gumby> but if not, I have no problems waiting
[07:21] <Gumby> its rather fun having nothing but a blank desktop and no panels
[07:22] <Gumby> hehe
[07:22] <scotty^> In Natty alpha 2 with Unity?
[07:23] <scotty^> Gonna download that tonight.
[07:23] <Gumby> scotty^, whatever you do dont do a dist-upgrade
[07:23] <scotty^> I usually autohide my panels but I guess that't not the same.
[07:24] <Gumby> yeah, not quite the same as not even being able to run a panel cause gnome-panel cant be installed
[07:34] <scotty^> OK, and thanks for the tip
[07:36] <scotty^> xf86-video-ati 6.14.0 has been released! - see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTA3Nw
[08:23] <susundberg> WHAT: apt-get dist-upgrade -> following packages will be removed: firefox firerox-branding !!
[08:24] <susundberg> (-typo)
[08:32] <magn3ts> finally
[08:32] <magn3ts> sounds good to me.
[09:09] <susundberg> magn3ts: removing firefox sounds good?
[09:10] <susundberg> ;)
[10:03] <yofel> hm, that firefox removal comes from the python-gobject upgrade, that gives me
[10:03] <yofel>   python-gtk2: Depends: python2.6-gobject which is a virtual package.
[10:03] <yofel> and at the end aptitude wants to remove firefox, dia, gimp and a few others
[10:36] <phaidros> alpha 2 here :)
[10:36] <phaidros> what is wrong with grub, that it configures itself a submenu, which it never shows?
[10:36] <susundberg> yofel: doesnt that sound like a buggish feature?
[10:37] <yofel> dunno, I would wait a few hours if it resolves by itself, if not, file a bug
[10:37] <yofel> phaidros: the grub submenu worked for me when I tried it last
[10:37] <susundberg> yeah
[10:37] <phaidros> hmkay, I'll test again later
[10:38] <phaidros> any hints on the removal of ubuntu-desktop by some missing dependencies lately?
[11:07] <compengi> hello all, i recently did a partial upgrade from clean installation natty alpha1. it removed firefox as well as the application menu tab in the left launcher. how can i get it back?
[11:12] <compengi> and another small issue. when i click on the ubuntu logo on the top bar, i get the transparent window opened but i see no application menu icons
[11:26] <sneezebay> I'm looking to install ubuntu on my MBP and every time I have to connect it to the ethernet because it doesn't have the packages for my wireless card. Is there anyway I can download it to a flash drive and install later?
[11:30] <sneezebay> Could anyone help me out?
[11:34] <yofel> !anyone | sneezebay
[11:52] <sneezebay> yofel: I did (before you joined the channel) and unfortunately didn't get an answer.
[11:52] <sneezebay> I'm looking to install ubuntu on my MBP and every time I have to connect it to the ethernet because it doesn't have the packages for my wireless card. Is there anyway I can download it to a flash drive and install later?
[11:56] <yofel> well, if the driver is available as a package you can certainly just install the deb before installing or after that
[11:58] <maxb> Hrm. Is gnome-panel failing to appear at login for anyone else? (Ubuntu Classic Desktop)
[12:02] <rork> sneezebay: you can download the debs and install them with dpkg or copy them to the apt cache directory: /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:03] <sneezebay> yofel & rork: Only problem is I can't figure out which packages will give me the drivers I need for my wireless card.
[12:04] <yofel> well, probably easiest would be to install them from jockey and then look at the apt history (what card do you have?)
[12:05] <rork> sneezebay: you can also try keryx: http://keryxproject.org/
[12:09] <sneezebay> yofel: I think I have the Broadcom chip. Which one exactly, I don't know. I do know that I have the model 5,5 Macbook Pro
[12:10] <sneezebay> rork: Do you think Keryx supports my wireless card?
[12:13] <yofel> running 'lscpi' in a terminal should tell you which card usually
[12:13] <rork> keryx doesn't use a network card, I have no experience with the tool but as I understand it you plug it in your linux computer, install/update packages, plug it into another computer which is connected to the internet where it downloads the packages, plug it into your linux computer and it installs the packages
[12:14] <sneezebay> yofel: Not on Mac OS X
[12:15] <sneezebay> rork: Ugh, this will cause me to force a reboot. Will it know which packages I'll need to download if my linux computer is offline?
[12:17] <rork> sneezebay: I'm not sure how it works, wether it's an extension of all the other packetmanagers or a packetmanager itself. I think you still have to select the packages you want to install.
[12:19] <sneezebay> rork: Know of any alternatives to figure out which packages will support my wireless card?
[12:22] <sneezebay> Would it be possible to install Ubuntu through VirtualBox and download my drivers while still connected on my Mac?
[12:22] <sneezebay> (And then do I HAVE to use Ubuntu as a VM?)
[12:24] <rork> sneezebay: find out which card you have and google on it, you can also check the broadcom site ofcourse. I have no experience with VM's, you can install ubuntu on another partition
[12:24] <rork> I've got to go, going to install Natty alpha 2, good luck
[12:34] <sneezebay> I could really use some help installing the wireless drivers without internet on my Ubuntu installation. It says to download this package "bcmwl-kernel-source", but I don't know if that contains the specific driver.
[12:51] <twager> Anyone tell me if the Nvidia driver is still broken ?
[12:54] <yofel> twager: it is
[12:55] <twager> yofel: Thanks.....Saved me breaking the system again :-(
[12:55] <yofel> you could watch the x-updates PPA, as soon as there is a driver that works it'll get there (something newer than 270.18)
[12:56] <twager> yofel: Will do..
[12:59] <compengi_> hello, i did a partial upgrade from natty alpha 1 and it removed the application icon from unity launcher, now that the ubuntu logo doesn't list any applications for me too, i can't open any application now. how can i re-add the application menu icon to the launcher again?
[13:27] <compengi> btw is it a common issue where if i clicked on the ubuntu logo, it opens the fancy window but no application icons?
[13:48] <guest> what?
[13:49] <guest> my logos are loaded fast
[13:49] <guest> even on a slow-write usbkey
[14:55] <minimec> Hi. COuld one of quickly launch rhyrhmbox and then do a 'rhythmbox-client --hide' in a console. There is a '--hide' bug in current Rhythmbox versions and I like to see if natty got rid of that.
[14:57] <mungojerry> i only have banshee on my natty box
[14:58] <mungojerry> i'll try installing rhythmbox if you like
[14:58] <minimec> mungojerry: Ih I see banshee is default in natty ;)
[14:58] <minimec> mungojerry: You don't have to install it for me, if you would like to do so... THX ;)
[14:59] <mungojerry> doign it now
[14:59] <mungojerry> minimec, what should/not happen when running rhythmbox-client --hide
[15:00] <minimec> mungojerry: Very kind of you. rhythmbox-client --hide should simply hide an open window.
[15:01] <mungojerry> i ran with the --hide and the rhythmbox window appear
[15:01] <minimec> mungojerry: for example. The following command should launch a hidden rhythmbox session and open one of my radio stations. rhythmbox-client --hide --play-uri=http://broadcast.infomaniak.ch/rsr-couleur3-high.aac
[15:01] <mungojerry> i would send a screenshot but compiz is crashing every few mins in unity :(
[15:02] <minimec> mungojerry: I probably will not use unity, as I use a e17-gnome combination.
[15:03] <minimec> mungojerry: so what does the command do on your system? rhythmbox-client --hide --play-uri=http://broadcast.infomaniak.ch/rsr-couleur3-high.aac
[15:05] <minimec> mungojerry: So it looks like the bug is still present. It is some Rhythmbox/dBus bug.
[15:05] <minimec> mungojerry: THX for your time.
[15:05] <mungojerry> hold on a sec , i'll run your second command
[15:05] <minimec> mungojerry: First close any rhytmbox session before launching the command.
[15:07] <minimec> This is some comment on the bug with latest developpment http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2011-January/msg00060.html
[15:08] <mungojerry> http://i.imgur.com/vDnXZ.png
[15:09] <minimec> mungojerry: So thank you very much. The bug is still present. I will follow that one closely.
[15:11] <mungojerry> version is 0.13.3-0ubuntu2
[15:13] <Wipster_> hi all, can I pull an updated package from 11.04 to my 10.10 install?
[15:28] <setuid> Can someone help me with this:
[15:28] <setuid> WARNING: gdm_server_spawn: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt8
[15:28] <setuid> Google was not helpful
[15:55] <perscitus> Will Gnome-shell 3 be available
[16:02] <Daekdroom> perscitus, currently it's only available only via PPA. They replan to add it back to the official repositories once it starts compiling without much trouble
[16:06] <setuid> Is it not even possible to install and use gdm-2.20 in anything more-recent than Karmik?
[16:06] <setuid> I have a lucid laptop where it's working, but installing Lucid clean and installing gdm-2.20, does not work.
[16:08] <charlie-tca> setuid: I think there were too many changes for that to work.
[16:09] <setuid> doh, n/m, found it
[16:09] <setuid> perl -pi -e 's,X11R6,,g' /etc/gdm.conf
[16:12] <perscitus> Daekdroom,  I plan to switch Gnome-Shell for Unity for 11.04
[16:33] <nogo> can i update natty as i do in 10.04/10.10?
[16:34] <rww> Depends how you do it in 10.04/10.10.
[16:35] <nogo> is unity the default desktop in natty?
[16:35] <Daekdroom> nogo, yes, but classic GNOME is available.
[16:35] <nogo> it's nothing to say
[16:36] <nogo> gnome and kde are like old ladies
[17:07] <ubuntu_> running kubuntu 11.04 alpha 2 ... impressed with kde 4.6 , good wrok :-)
[17:07] <ubuntu_> work
[18:15] <endless> hello all
[18:16] <compengi> hello
[18:17] <compengi> i partially upgraded a clean installed natty alpha 1 and the the application icon from the side bar launcher vanished, how do i get it back?
[18:25] <nit-wit> compengi, don't do partial upgrades.
[18:25] <compengi> nit-wit, oh :/
[18:25] <compengi> nit-wit, so what todo now?
[18:27] <sidnei> is nouveau working on natty? seems like im getting the vesa driver instead
[18:27] <compengi> nit-wit, also when i click on the ubuntu logo on the top bar, the fancy window appears but it doesn't contain the installed application menu like i've seen in some youtube previews
[18:31] <compengi> should i re-install? or there is a quick fix?
[18:35] <nit-wit> compengi, You might just try running the classic desktop and seeing how it looks for the moment.
[18:36] <nit-wit> unity seems unstable, I use the classic desktop
[18:36] <compengi> oh :/
[18:36] <Daekdroom> Unity is way too unstable right now.
[18:37] <compengi> but still.. isn't there a quick fix to return back that icon? :/
[18:38] <nit-wit> compengi, I doubt it.
[18:39] <nit-wit> there may be a fix but this is a new desktop still in development you do the math if any regular users are going to know how.
[18:52] <kong> guys, why I can't start natty alpha 2 desktop from usb??
[18:53] <kong> I use dd if=/ of=/   bs=1M to install it on usb device
[18:54] <nogo> you can't use a usbkey well because your force is weak
[18:54] <kong> what?
[19:00] <kongone> cmon, no one can help me?
[20:00] <genii-around> Wouldn't using inputfile of / and outputfile of / in dd be some catastrophic catch-22 ?
[20:52] <mongy> the last daily live I had was more stable than alpha 2, stuff crashes within 2mins.
[21:24] <anr78> What's special about the image for Macs?
[21:36] <charlie-tca> designed for the powerpc chips instead of the intel chip?
[21:38] <anr78> charlie-tca: no, it's 64 bit. I'm guessing maybe some Mactel-modules preinstalled, but I don't know
[21:39] <charlie-tca> that could well be. I don't know if it isn't ppc, myself.
[21:41] <Daekdroom> There's a powerpc mac image and a Intel Mac image, afaik
[21:43] <anr78> I'm installing on my mac, and I'm trying to find out if I should go for 10.10 and dist-upgrade, or wait for 11.04 and use the mac-image.
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Did you use the mac-image for 10.10?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> yes, that is a serious question. The port versions were moved to the daily and daily-live area starting with 11.04
[21:46] <anr78> charlie-tca: didn't know there was a mac-image for 10.10
[21:47] <charlie-tca> we had them in a different place, so you didn't see them unless you needed them for the ppc
[21:48] <anr78> but there were intel-images as well?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> no
[21:49] <charlie-tca> the difference is those images were merged with the intel images now
[21:52] <anr78> ok, so just pick the standard amd64 and follow the instructions on ubuntuforums then I guess :)
[21:53] <charlie-tca> yup, That would be suggested.
[21:58] <anr78> cool. thanks :)
[22:28] <Daekdroom> Ok. This is a very odd regression I've found.
[22:29] <Daekdroom> My internet connection through a ADSL router is very crappy in Ubuntu 11.04, but not 10.10 or Windows 7 o.o
[22:36] <dlynch> is it a known bug in natty alpha 2 that when inserting a PCI express compact flash reader with card, nothing happens?
[22:46] <DJKorbit> good evening
[23:13] <Daekdroom> Is anyone facing problems with GTK programs closing randomly?
[23:17] <DJKorbit> Daekdroom, not me
[23:17] <Daekdroom> Nautilus, Pidgin, Rhythmbox, Gnome Terminal are crashing all the time here.
[23:17] <DJKorbit> but i'm facing problems trying to compile eye of gnome after apt-get source/build-dep