[00:04] <head_victim> New x-server fail?
[00:07] <head_victim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/712082
[00:16] <ikt> yeah
[00:16] <ikt> they haven't uploaded the new stuff yet
[00:16] <ikt> afaik
[00:17] <blahdeblah> ikt: Can you email me your address for the sticker mailout?
[00:17] <blahdeblah> ikt: Or do you already have some from open day?
[00:18] <ikt> i'm in adelaide :)
[00:18] <ikt> i don't have any :s
[00:19] <blahdeblah> ikt: I thought you were coming to LCA
[00:19] <ikt> my broke ass ain't going anywhere :P
[00:20] <blahdeblah> OK
[00:20] <Phlosten> find a photocopier, scan, send broke ass wherever you want...
[00:20] <blahdeblah> ikt: Well, email me your address and the stickers will be yours
[00:21] <blahdeblah> Anyone know if Karl Bowden is on IRC?
[00:21] <ikt> lol Phlosten 
[00:21] <Phlosten> blahdeblah, are those stickers from Canonical?
[00:21] <blahdeblah> Phlosten: Yep - going to the post office today
[00:22] <Phlosten> wasnt sure whether they were official or just ordered from somewhere else
[00:22] <blahdeblah> Canonical sent them to us for open day - see mailing list, and thank head_victim
[00:23] <ikt> oh yeah
[00:23] <Phlosten> was going to catch up on mailing list reading tomorrow
[00:23] <Phlosten> been a really chaotic week, kinda expected after being away for 10 days
[00:24] <Phlosten> people are getting annoyed at me telling them to go away
[00:24] <blahdeblah> People.  They get like that.
[00:25] <Phlosten> taking a hint from Carol from Google, getting people to realise not everything is an 'emergency'
[00:25] <head_victim> Hah that was a good talk that one
[00:25] <ikt> head has a ton of cd's he wants to get rid of, would it be possible to merge the stickers with the cds ?
[00:25] <Phlosten> need to follow up with some cookies
[00:25] <ikt> speak of the devil :P
[00:26] <head_victim> ikt: we have more CDs than stickers but blahdeblah is merging the 2 with some business cards as well perhaps
[00:26] <blahdeblah> ikt: I took a box of 100 CDs from head_victim, and am sending them out as the envelope for the stickers
[00:27] <ikt> ok sweet
[00:27] <head_victim> Somehow in the confusion we had 3 different sets of varying number of CDs sent to the LCA Open Day. Some to me and 2 lots to the LCA people
[00:27] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Any 64-bit CDs in that?
[00:28] <head_victim> Nah they are ALL 32 bit 10.10 desktops
[00:28] <head_victim> I checked them :/
[00:31] <blahdeblah> ;-(
[00:33] <head_victim> Yeah, made me double take yesterday as I installed it on the wife's PC alongside Windows7 and I forgot it was only 32 bit and wondering why a 64bit application refused to run.
[00:33] <head_victim> That's what I get for being lazy and not burning my own disk and just using that one I guess
[00:51] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Just emailed you a CD request.
[00:52] <head_victim> blahdeblah: cool, I'm sending some down south to jellyware for computerbank and luv as well now
[01:22] <blahdeblah> Last call for stickers!  If you haven't got me your snail mail address yet - please do so right now.
[01:22] <blahdeblah> ikt: This means you!  :-)
[02:01] <ikt> lol ok
[02:01] <ikt> oh sorry
[02:01] <ikt> i just went out
[02:01] <ikt> blahdeblah, 
[02:01] <blahdeblah> just in time, ikt
[02:01] <blahdeblah> I just finished the LAST lot of CDs & stickers before heading off...
[02:01] <ikt> i didn't get your email
[02:02] <ikt> !?
[02:02] <Phlosten> is today over yet? oh wait, damn, not yet :S
[02:02] <Phlosten> should hack around with Ubuntu, that will be more fun
[02:05] <ikt> where can you find the humidity ?
[02:05] <ikt> anyone have a weather site
[02:05] <blahdeblah> ikt: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ60901/IDQ60901.94576.shtml
[02:05] <blahdeblah> That's Brisbane - should be a link on the page for your part of Oz
[02:07] <ikt> yours says rel hum is like 60%
[02:07] <ikt> ours is the same
[02:07] <ikt> are you covered in sweat?
[02:07] <blahdeblah> This is the closest one to me: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ60901/IDQ60901.94576.shtml
[02:07] <blahdeblah> Our rel hum is more like 75%
[02:08] <ikt> damn!
[02:08] <blahdeblah> Actually, i would have guessed 90%, but apparently i'm not that good a judge...
[02:09] <blahdeblah> (Although, the Redlands observations were 3 hours ago...)
[02:52] <blahdeblah> Mozzarella cheese is the bomb.
[02:53] <blahdeblah> (Just in case you guys weren't aware.)
[02:53] <blahdeblah>  ;-)
[02:53] <head_victim> hah "sudo apt-get ingest mozzarella-cheese"
[02:53] <blahdeblah> yeah!
[03:19] <sagaci> head_victim: are you getting that kernel panic?
[03:53] <head_victim> sagaci: nah I don't have any alphas installed yet
[03:55] <blahdeblah> alphas are for people with loads of spare time on their hands.  :-)
[03:56] <head_victim> Well I normally boot up some VMs for alphas but just haven't gotten there this release yet :/
[03:59] <ikt> this is probably the most unstable alpha I have seen in a while
[03:59] <ikt> which is good because stable alphas are boring!
[03:59] <blahdeblah> head_victim: VMs aren't much of a test - even Windoze runs well in VMs
[04:03] <sagaci> yeah, I always try to install alphas onto my laptop but this one won't even boot, already a bug filed under high importance. Hopefully it's fixed soon.
[04:03] <sagaci> brb, tryin kubuntu alpha
[04:07] <Phlosten> running alphas in a VM are a good test, need to make sure it works well under VMs too
[04:07] <sagaci> fail
[04:09] <Phlosten> sagacifail!
[04:32] <head_victim> I use alphas mainly just to test out the programs I've always used to make sure the bugs that are going to affect me get reported.
[05:02] <ikt> wow
[05:02] <ikt> just got my course timetable and you guessed it
[05:02] <ikt> tuesday 6:30-9:30
[05:03] <ikt> -_-
[05:06] <Phlosten> ikt, i didnt guess it
[05:06] <Phlosten> ikt, what are you studying?
[05:07] <ikt> cert 3 in it
[05:10] <elky> 6:30am?!
[05:11] <Phlosten> imagine a room full of potential IT techs at 6:30am......more redbull!!
[05:14] <blahdeblah> head_victim: I just found out that our local library is doing an IT expo in March.  I volunteered to help out, give free sessions, etc. and they said they don't accept any volunteer help.  :-(  I then asked if they would take some free CDs, stickers, and posters to give out, explaining that Ubuntu was a free alternative to Windows and Mac.  The librarian's response "that's ambitious!"
[05:15] <blahdeblah> I told her, no, it's not ambitious - it already works.  I couldn't believe she hadn't heard of Linux at all.
[05:15] <blahdeblah> Just shows how bug #1 is so true
[05:16] <Phlosten> blahdeblah, go to the local council and find someone there who is not so closed minded
[05:16] <blahdeblah> I thought librarians were supposed to be subversive freedom fighters disguised as nerds, but it seems this one is just a slave of the status quo.  ;-(
[05:17] <Phlosten> i know the guy that does the IT systems for library here, he is FOSS friendly
[05:19] <Phlosten> blahdeblah, there is some extra ammunition now, legislation that requires government departments to consider open source software when making IT decisions
[05:19] <Phlosten> someone was talking about it in lightning talks at LCA
[05:20] <blahdeblah> Phlosten: yeah, i was there.
[05:20] <blahdeblah> But this is not their IT decision - it's just a free public expo
[05:20] <Phlosten> but, it is a good thing to bring up for those that are unaware of alternatives
[05:21] <blahdeblah> Why do you think i was there offering to help?  ;-)
[05:21] <Phlosten> you need to take a big stick next time, the Stick of Understanding(tm)
[05:22] <blahdeblah> I prefer the Carrot of Freedom (tm)
[05:25] <hot_wheelz> hi guys
[05:25] <hot_wheelz> how we doing?
[05:30] <ikt> good
[05:30] <ikt> and you hot_wheelz ?
[05:30] <head_victim> blahdeblah: what day in march?
[05:31] <blahdeblah> 8-26, mostly just 1 workshop per day
[05:31] <head_victim> Ahh ok, well would we be allowed to run a Ubuntu workshop?
[05:31] <blahdeblah> head_victim: It's in Redlands, not Brisbane.
[05:31] <head_victim> It's ok, I have a car ;)
[05:31] <blahdeblah> No, that's what i already asked.
[05:32] <head_victim> Ah ok so they're running it all?
[05:32] <blahdeblah> yep
[05:32] <head_victim> Ah bummer
[05:32] <blahdeblah> Not even a whiff of volunteer possibilities.
[05:32] <blahdeblah> Maybe they've had too many problems with pushy people in the past
[05:33] <head_victim> I was going to offer to help you out for a day of stuff if we could line it up with a day off
[05:33] <hot_wheelz> i have a dvb driver and would like to see if it can be included who can i talk to to about this?...Thx 
[05:36] <ikt> a dvb driver? wouldn't that go into the kernel?
[05:37] <ikt> can you link the driver?
[05:37] <head_victim> Usually yes, not sure about the "non free" ones though
[05:39] <hot_wheelz> head_victim can i send to you to take a look?
[05:40] <head_victim> I wouldn't know what to do with it to be honest, I'm asking around though. So what I'm understanding is that you have a driver that is currently not available in Ubuntu. You want it included so that it's available to all and so that you don't have to compile it yourself each time, correct?
[05:40] <hot_wheelz> right
[05:41] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Got any stickers left?  I'm down to 6 sheets after sending out that batch today.
[05:43] <head_victim> If it's a kernel module you'll need to get it into the linux kernel (not just Ubuntu) and if it's application code you'll need to look at MTU (masters of the universe) type people to help you out.
[05:43] <head_victim> blahdeblah: not sure actually, I'll have to check the box.
[05:44] <head_victim> hot_wheelz: as for the MOTU https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted is a good place to start.
[05:45] <hot_wheelz> u talkin to me head_victim?
[05:45] <head_victim> Yep :D
[05:45] <blahdeblah> I reckon hot_wheelz is better off trying to get the driver in the mainline kernel, so that all distros get it.
[05:46] <hot_wheelz> cool thx mate
[05:46] <hot_wheelz> howto?
[05:46] <blahdeblah> Not sure how to do it.  Make sure it's published on a git server somewhere would be a good start though.  Then announce on lkml mailing list maybe?
[05:46] <blahdeblah> It's like i'm psychic! ;-)
[05:49] <hot_wheelz> i would like to see it in 11.04 if possible
[05:50] <blahdeblah> hot_wheelz: Pretty unlikely, i would guess.
[05:50] <head_victim> So is it something you've created or something you've found. If it's something you've found I would consult the people who wrote it.
[05:51] <hot_wheelz> ok
[05:51] <blahdeblah> hot_wheelz: You could also chat to the folks in #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-devel and see what they have to say about it.
[05:56] <hot_wheelz> head_victim can i send to you to take a look?
[05:56] <hot_wheelz> sorry
[05:56] <head_victim> I wouldn't know what I was looking at sorry.
[05:57] <head_victim> I'm not really a developer
[05:57] <blahdeblah> hot_wheelz: Is this your code, or someone else's?
[05:57] <hot_wheelz> my bad i didn't mean to reprint that comment
[05:58] <hot_wheelz> this is the card i'm talking about http://digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/Quad.html
[05:58] <head_victim> Do you have drivers or are you seeking drivers?
[05:59] <hot_wheelz> it's a leadtek device
[05:59] <hot_wheelz> i have
[06:00] <hot_wheelz> http://forums.dvbowners.com/index.php?showtopic=11978
[06:01] <ikt> hrmm
[06:01] <head_victim> If you wrote them then I'd suggest going to #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-devel like blahdeblah suggest, if you didn't write them then you will need to take it up with the people who wrote the drivers. I have had dealings with that company in the past and not had much luck at all.
[06:01] <ikt> there are potential legal issues
[06:01] <ikt> which may explain why they're not in already
[06:02] <head_victim> ikt: everything I've ever seen from that company (including I device I bought and then threw away) has been heavily proprietry, just barely working under windows and completely failing under linux.
[06:02] <ikt> that would fully explain why it's not in the kernel already
[06:03] <head_victim> From what I can work out they just import chinese stuff and rebadge it.
[06:03] <head_victim> Well that's what my device looked like.
[06:03] <ikt> brb
[06:04] <head_victim> hot_wheelz: you will need to contact renura to take this further. If it is not your driver (as in you didn't write it) then there will be licensing issues that need to be resolved to allow it into the kernel properly.
[06:05] <hot_wheelz> ok
[06:06] <hot_wheelz> so ur say they import and rebadge right?
[06:06] <head_victim> I can't be sure I do not work for them. The device I bought was pretty poorly constructed though.
[06:07] <hot_wheelz> what device was that?
[06:07] <head_victim> http://www.digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/Dabby.html
[06:09] <head_victim> I went out and bought a 40 dollar usb HDTV dongle instead and plugged it in and it just worked. So I threw that other one away.
[06:10] <jfer> blahdeblah, are you there?
[06:10] <blahdeblah> yo
[06:10] <jfer> i got your recent email
[06:10] <hot_wheelz> ok i have a http://www.digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/TinyTwin.html (same without DAB+)
[06:11] <head_victim> They will have different hardware inside them though.
[06:11] <blahdeblah> jfer: Direct, or list?
[06:11] <jfer> list. i got some stickers at the Open Day but if you got any of the domed stickers i wouldn't mind you sending me some.
[06:12] <blahdeblah> jfer: Too late.  No domed stickers, and i didn't think to check who got them at the open day.  :0\
[06:12] <blahdeblah> :-\
[06:12] <head_victim> Nah there were no domed stickers at the open day.
[06:12] <jfer> i don't think that you have sent me any anyway
[06:12] <hot_wheelz> i would have thought they would be indentical with the addition of the DAB+ tuner no?
[06:12] <head_victim> hot_wheelz: I doubt it but anything is possible.
[06:13] <jfer> i haven't given you my address after all
[06:13] <hot_wheelz> ok
[06:13] <head_victim> jfer: it's ok we put a tracking device in your bag ;)
[06:13] <hot_wheelz> thanks anyway guys good talking to you
[06:14] <head_victim> no worries hot_wheelz sorry we couldn't be of more assistance.
[06:14] <hot_wheelz> np
[06:21] <blahdeblah> jfer: Well, we've got no worries then!  :-)
[10:33] <dylanioop> hi all i need a usb wifi card that works out of the box anyone got any ideas of brands i can get and where i can get them from?
[10:34] <head_victim> http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/420697/usb-wifi-dongle-that-works-in-ubuntu
[10:36] <dylanioop> sporry what was that link?
[10:37] <dylanioop> i need a cheep one what i can get form like harve norman or dick smith or somthing
[10:37] <head_victim> http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/420697/usb-wifi-dongle-that-works-in-ubuntu
[10:37] <head_victim> Ah ok, I"d just google what's available and see which one works
[10:38] <dylanioop> gerr stupid irc client
[10:39] <dylanioop> can i get it again thanks?
[10:42] <dylanioop> can i get that linkl a
[10:42] <dylanioop> again 
[10:44] <MaxEeePsycho> dylanioop:  http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/420697/usb-wifi-dongle-that-works-in-ubuntu
[10:47] <dylanioop> any one know if a dlink one would work?
[10:47] <MaxEeePsycho> dylanioop: DSE sells WN111, but you have to make sure its the version 2 with Atheros ar9001u, if you have a laptop you should be able to go into the store and test it there and then on the bench..
[10:48] <dylanioop> dse?
[10:50] <MaxEeePsycho> no, not recommended by that link
[10:51] <MaxEeePsycho> the DWA-131 and DWA-125 that dse sells are the 2 that are not recommended
[10:53] <dylanioop> dse is dick smith electronics?
[10:54] <MaxEeePsycho> yep
[10:55] <blahdeblah> far out the wiki is slow tonight
[10:56] <dylanioop> what about linksys?
[10:57] <MaxEeePsycho> checking
[10:57] <dylanioop> ok
[10:59] <blahdeblah> head_victim: What did you do with the wiki structure?  I can't for the life of me work out how to edit it.
[11:00] <MaxEeePsycho> hmm, the WUSB600N isn't in the list, the WUSB300N is, requires a hack, but between the 2, the company may have changed chip-set
[11:01] <MaxEeePsycho> sorry, it is in the list https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsLinksys#WUSB600N
[11:03] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I haven't changed anything that would stop you editing it, what page?
[11:03] <blahdeblah> I just can't work out how to do it - i hit edit and all i see is an include directive.
[11:03] <head_victim> Hahaha which page? Did I link the wrong one?
[11:04] <head_victim> I might have linked the one of the 10 pages required to do the team reports "correctly" :/ 
[11:04] <head_victim> It's a very convoluted process that I'm only just understanding now but still not sure why they've asked us to do it like they have.
[11:04] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/11/January
[11:04] <head_victim> That's probably the one you want?
[11:05] <blahdeblah> no
[11:05] <dylanioop> so maxeeepsycho do you have a recomendation of one what will work?
[11:05] <blahdeblah> head_victim: where's the list for this month that you put in?
[11:05] <blahdeblah> it's freaking slow, too
[11:06] <head_victim> That's "this month" the one that's finishing, for February which is still a work in progress look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/11/February
[11:07] <blahdeblah> OK
[11:07] <head_victim> Yeah apparently there is "an upgrade" at some stage that will make it happen quicker. Also some of the searches they want in the team reports stuff "to make it easier" slows it down a lot as well. 
[11:07] <head_victim> dylanioop: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported as well
[11:08] <head_victim> I filed a bug because all I ever get these days is 500 internal server errors whenever I save anything
[11:08] <head_victim> Bug 701495 is ming
[11:09] <head_victim> Bug 668530 is the main one
[11:13] <caryb> Evening lads
[11:13] <caryb> & Ladies
[11:15] <MaxEeePsycho> hmm, dylanioop, this http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/62461/NETWORK_WIRELESS_ADAPTERS_-_USB/Linksys/WUSB54GC-AS.asp should do it
[11:16] <dylanioop> what sort of speeds do you ou get from g?
[11:20] <MaxEeePsycho> 54Mbps
[11:20] <MaxEeePsycho> max
[11:22] <dylanioop> ahyeah thats plenty fast enough considering my internet is only like 1MB/s
[11:23] <MaxEeePsycho> yeah, it'll cover it
[11:25] <head_victim> blahdeblah: thanks for the edit, at least it proves someone reads my random emails to the list :)
[11:51] <ikt> I read them head_victim  :D
[11:51] <ikt> I skim them :/
[11:54] <sagaci> I just saved it as a file then did a head and tail
[11:54] <head_victim> Yay so I'm not just talking to myself
[11:55] <blahdeblah> sagaci: very generous of you
[11:57] <sagaci> I like to get the most out of my command line
[12:03] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Got any posters left?
[12:04] <head_victim> Well those 4 posters that were used are all laminated so they are reusable (and I have them all here)
[12:07] <sagaci> Poster size?
[12:08] <head_victim> A1 - A3
[12:08] <sagaci> New branding?
[12:10] <head_victim> Yeah, 2 of the ones elky made and 2 others I found on spreadubuntu.org
[12:10] <head_victim> Can be seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane/Photos
[12:12] <sagaci> Are they au specific
[12:14] <sagaci> Symbian phone = web browser sucks
[12:17] <blahdeblah> head_victim: If i can, i might come and get the small one from the left of the stand
[12:22] <head_victim> sagaci: some are some aren't
[12:23] <head_victim> The business card you got, well think that at size A1 and A2
[12:23] <head_victim> The other 2 are not AU specific.
[12:23] <head_victim> blahdeblah: cool, as long as it comes back when you're finished no problems at all
[12:23] <sagaci> Ah nice. I'll go check them out on a real comp soon
[12:34] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Do you know how we can get some good quality printouts of that "your free alternative" brochure that i could give to my local library?
[12:43] <head_victim> I have a laser printer, but it's black and white only
[12:43] <head_victim> There's no real "cheap" alternative though unless you know someone with a colour laser
[12:44] <head_victim> I could just buy a bunch of A5 paper and hit print
[12:45] <head_victim> Yay, half the CDs I have here are sitting packed up and ready to be posted tomorrow
[12:46] <head_victim> I've offered some to the flood relief and some to Humbug/The edge so I'll wait to see what they say before trying to palm off more, don't want to offer stuff and have nothing left.
[12:47] <blahdeblah> Can you keep 25 or so aside for me?
[12:48] <head_victim> Sure mate, no worries.
[12:51] <head_victim> Do you still have many left to post out if people are still looking?
[12:51] <blahdeblah> About 20
[12:52] <head_victim> Ok cool, just I'm starting to get low if Humbug and the Flood IT people both take me up
[12:54] <blahdeblah> I've got access to an A3 colour copier but i was hoping for something with a bit more bling. 
[12:54] <blahdeblah> When you got those business cards printed, did they give you prices for larger card printing?
[13:01] <head_victim> http://www.quickcolourprint.com.au/index.php
[13:01] <head_victim> That's who I went through.
[13:19] <ikt> just have to say virtual snapshots are the best thing ever
[13:19] <blahdeblah> ikt: Amen!  That's how i back up my server - pause the VM, take an LVM snapshot, then resume.  Takes less than a minute to do all my backups.
[13:20] <ikt> XD
[13:20] <ikt> btw head_victim you're a sexy man
[13:20] <ikt> love your beard
[13:21] <blahdeblah> I for one love the look on jfer's face in the last slide.
[13:23] <ikt> ya :)
[13:23] <ikt> so good
[13:25] <ikt> wish I could have been there :(
[13:26] <sagaci> Yeah, the posters look good
[13:27] <sagaci> Don't like ubuntu in uppercase
[13:28] <dkg7791> kk
[13:28] <dkg7791> oops wron place
[13:29] <dkg7791> *wrong
[13:30] <sagaci> Who did the dotty australia
[13:43] <ikt> sagaci, according to this:
[13:43] <ikt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam?action=info
[13:44] <ikt> 2006-07-12 21:38:29	30770	-	Matthew Vermeulen	ATTNEW: ubuntu-au.png
[13:44] <ikt> don't know if it was him though
[13:46] <sagaci> Ah ok thanks
[14:04] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Archives/Logo
[14:07] <head_victim> ikt: thanks, I think?
[14:08] <ikt> :D
[14:24] <sagaci> Sleep, oh here i come
[14:24] <head_victim> NIght mate
[22:35] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I complete misunderstood you last night, I thought you were asking about flyers to hand out to people to leave at the library. Have a look at http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/content/copying-and-printing?siteAware=true because that's where I got the posters done
[22:36] <blahdeblah> head_victim: I was talking about flyers - i'd just like them to look better than if they come off a colour laser
[22:37] <head_victim> Ah fair enough, when I looked at flyers they seemed pretty expensive actually
[22:41] <blahdeblah> Something like the gloss papers on that page at Officeworks would probably be OK - i only want about 10 sheets
[22:43] <sagaci> morning
[22:44] <head_victim> Morning sagaci 
[22:44] <head_victim> blahdeblah: ah ok, well they're the 2 places i found, let me know if you found anywhere cheaper :) 
[22:50] <cafuego> blahdeblah: there's a nice place here in melb, but i doubt that's highly useful ;-)
[22:50] <head_victim> If you're only doing 10 postage will be bugger all so might be worth looking into it if is pretty good.
[22:51] <cafuego> i try to use them exclusively - they're docsoncall.com.au
[22:51] <cafuego> They for instance did the lca2008 postcards
[23:58] <sagaci> lovely saturday morning