[00:16] <yax51> so I think I found a way to update my BIOS to fix my keyboard problem, however I am worried about bricking my machine, I can't afford to do that....
[00:17] <yax51> http://www.linuxinsight.com/how-to-flash-motherboard-bios-from-linux-no-dos-windows-no-floppy-drive.html
[01:11] <tsenior> why does a linux root hdd that has been assigned to say /sda2  somehow just change to /sdc2 ?
[01:12] <MattHarrison> tsenior:  like after a reboot or while using the machine?
[01:13] <gunndawg> Anyone here got any experience using GTK-Gnutella ?
[01:13] <tsenior> after a reboot, took me ages to figure out how do boot back into ubuntu just keep dropping back to shell
[01:14] <MattHarrison> tsenior:  I am not sure why, but I had the same problem before and I just switched my /etc/fstab to mount all drives by UUID
[01:17] <MattHarrison> tsenior: check out - http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/321/fstab-with-uuid/
[01:17] <tsenior> will do  now thanks
[01:17] <head_victim> I can add a +1 to UUIDs
[01:17] <head_victim> I swapped around sata ports and drives and it all still wored
[01:17] <head_victim> worked*
[01:20] <tsenior> i changed it to the drive assign because after update's it wouldnt boot from grub with uuid even though i could see in grub the uuid was correct
[01:26] <dollzii> anybody know how to configure terminator to open with three split windows? One big on top and two smaller underneath?
[04:21] <ddecator> alright guys, i have one for you. i switched to kubuntu a few weeks ago. firefox uses gtk, so i kde uses the qt-recursive theme to make it (and other gtk apps) match my desktop theme. however, this causes buttons on webpages to have the same background and text color so i can't read them at all. any idea what i need to change so the button background or text color is different? (i tried changing kde's color scheme, didn't help)
[04:22] <ddecator> hey, i got it
[04:22] <ddecator> just had to tell it not to apply the colors to non-kde apps
[04:26] <ddecator> and now the window decoration is bright blue...
[04:28] <gunndawg> ddecator, sounds like we both have issues, lol
[04:28] <ddecator> gunndawg: haha, yah
[04:28] <gunndawg> i cant seem to figure out my mic
[04:29] <seidos> my issue right now is euler 8...and i don't feel like working on it
[04:29] <gunndawg> when I hit record on sound recorder it records stuff that comes thru my headphones
[04:29] <gunndawg> so it basically records exactly what I hear thru my headphones
[04:30] <seidos> alsa or pulseaudio?
[04:30] <gunndawg> pulseaudio
[04:30] <seidos> i would guess alsa...but that is like flipping a coin, practically
[04:30] <gunndawg> its the only option I have
[04:30] <seidos> well, i think the audio is routed at some point to alsa
[04:31] <gunndawg> hmm
[04:31] <seidos> so it could be either one...i'm not really sure what the point of pulseaudio is, though.
[04:31] <ddecator> fixed :D
[04:31] <seidos> i think it's a "sound server"
[04:31] <gunndawg> seidos, so what does that mean? not fixable ?
[04:31] <seidos> gunndawg: it means i have no idea, and so i am thinking about it
[04:32] <seidos> gunndawg: it's all fixable, with enough knowledge.  the source is open.  let's check launchpad, if there isn't a bug, let's create one.
[04:34] <gunndawg> seidos, thanks :) give me 5mins real quick and I will return
[04:34]  * jmarsden wonders if "5mins real quick" means about 2 minutes? :)
[04:37] <JackyAlcine> jmarsden: usually is about 7, 8 mins. :p
[04:38] <jmarsden> :) OK, so "5mins real slow" must be about 30 minutes ... someone should write a script to do the conversions :)
[04:38] <seidos> JackyAlcine: that's a real slow 5 min
[04:40]  * jmarsden thinks about adding minsrealslow and minsrealquick to the database used by the units program :)
[04:46] <gunndawg> seidos, back
[04:47] <seidos> gunndawg: ack
[04:47] <seidos> gunndawg: i am searching https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[04:48] <gunndawg> seidos, yeah I gave a look around there
[04:49] <seidos> gunndawg: if you think the problem is with pulseaudio, create a new bug with alt-f2 -> ubuntu-bug pulseaudio -> enter
[04:49] <seidos> gunndawg: then follow the instructions, and then follow the bug.
[04:49] <gunndawg> seidos, well I dont know if its with pulse audio or not, I dont even know what pulse audio is, lol
[04:50] <seidos> gunndawg: if it's not the right package, someone will triage it elsewhere
[04:50] <gunndawg> seidos, I just know that I had to modify the alsa-base.conf file to get my headphones to work, so I figure it might be the same issue considering its the same card
[04:51] <gunndawg> I dont see anywhere that gives me a choice to use alsa, or pulseaudio for my input device,
[04:51] <seidos> gunndawg: the system uses pulseaudio and alsa.  i have heard it is possible to just use alsa, but i'm not sure that this will fix your problem.
[04:52] <gunndawg> seidos, oh ok
[04:52] <gunndawg> seidos, its just strange that with any recording device it only records whats being heard thru my output device
[04:52] <gunndawg> so its like recording the output
[04:53] <seidos> gunndawg: i agree.  it sounds like it's a problem with the driver (i.e. alsa).
[04:53] <gunndawg> seidos, oh alright
[04:55] <seidos> gunndawg: but, i don't even know how to download the sourcecode for the driver for your conexant chip
[04:55] <seidos> it would be interesting to look at it, at least
[04:57] <gunndawg> seidos, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1069048.html
[04:57] <jmarsden> seidos: If you know which package the driver is in, apt-get source PACKAGE will download it for you... what chip are you trying to find a driver for?
[04:58] <gunndawg> seidos,  the 2nd post in that link the guy talks about changing your recording from Front, Front Mic, Front Mic Capture, etc
[04:58] <gunndawg> seidos, but I see no where to do that, seems like it COULD fix the problem
[04:58] <seidos> jmarsden: conexant CX20585
[04:58] <seidos> gunndawg: you don't have front, front mic, front mic capture in your mixer
[04:58] <gunndawg> seidos, no I didnt, I just thought maybe I had to manually change the input to my mic jack or something, sounded promising :(
[04:59] <seidos> gunndawg: you had 3 or 4 last we checked.  you sent me a screenshot.  capture, and i think 2 others.
[04:59] <seidos> gunndawg: one thing you could try (after creating the bug, this is important, so that a developer can see the problem), is to upgrade to newest alsa in the dev ppa
[04:59] <gunndawg> seidos, ok
[05:00] <seidos> gunndawg: thing is, i'm not sure how to roll things back if something else gets messed up, but this is probably unlikely.
[05:00] <gunndawg> seidos, if you could, just read that guys post, the 2nd one in that link I gave you, he talks about some stuff relating to HDA intel, etc
[05:00] <seidos> i suppose remove the ppa, and maybe do sudo apt-get update
[05:00] <gunndawg> seidos, just not sure how to understand it fully
[05:00] <seidos> gunndawg: should i read it?
[05:01] <seidos> i'll skim it
[05:01] <gunndawg> seidos, well, its up to you really, heh. Just figured it might better help me fix this issue if someone else can read it and make better sense of it than myself
[05:01] <seidos> gunndawg: OP is using intrepid
[05:02] <seidos> yeah, skimmed, we already did that gunndawg.  we got you from recording nothing, to static, to now headphone output
[05:02] <seidos> !alsa
[05:02] <ubot2> If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[05:03] <gunndawg> seidos, I skimmed those links earlier with nothing related to microphone input
[05:03] <jmarsden> Looks like that chip is handled by snd-hda-intel, and there are some bugs related to that in Launchpad... have you tried grabbing the latest alsa stuff using the approach at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/InstallingLinuxAlsaDriverModules  ?
[05:03] <gunndawg> jmarsden, no I havent grabbed the most recent, lemme try
[05:04] <jmarsden> This sounds a lot like bug #701271 to me
[05:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701271 in linux "[Conexant CX20585] Recording problem with internal mic" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701271
[05:04] <seidos> jmarsden: haha, i was just going to copy paste that link
[05:04] <jmarsden> seidos: I'm lazy and let the bot post the link for me :)
[05:05] <seidos> jmarsden: gunndawg: if i recall correctly, we looked at that bug, 701271, and resolved that it wasn't a problem with the "internal mic".
[05:05] <seidos> jmarsden: the wiki?
[05:05] <gunndawg> seidos, yeah that fix corrected the headphones jack
[05:06] <jmarsden> Oh, no, I thought you meant the link to the bug... IRC delay causing confusion.
[05:06] <seidos> yeah, 22:51 yesterday i believe, according to the logs.
[05:07] <gunndawg> ok I set up and installed the PPA for alsa
[05:07] <gunndawg> I suppose it needs a reboot then
[05:08] <gunndawg> i'll brb
[05:08] <jmarsden> gunndawg: Just to see the PPA... no it doesn't ... too late :)
[05:10] <gunndawg> back
[05:11] <jmarsden> OK... did you install the new package from the PPA before rebooting?  if so.. did it make any difference?
[05:12] <gunndawg> jmarsden, yeah I installed it and sound recorder still does not record my void
[05:12] <gunndawg> voice*
[05:13] <jmarsden> gunndawg: OK... I'm not an audio expert, but I can try... can you pastebin the output of    amixer    for me please?
[05:14] <gunndawg> jmarsden, sure, do you know exactly what its doing though? If I have an mp3 playing or something and then hit RECORD on sound recorder then all it records is the song i am listening to
[05:14] <gunndawg> so when I play the recording back, I can hear the song playing
[05:15] <jmarsden> Well, it sounds like it is not recording from the mic input but from another input... so I want to see what amixer says its settings are...
[05:15] <gunndawg> http://www.ubuntu.pastebin.com/stLgaYT5
[05:17] <jmarsden> Ok, the 'Capture' setting is what is recording whatever you output, I think.  It is not showing you a normal mic input at all, only the analog mic boost, which seems odd.
[05:18] <gunndawg> yeah, says analog
[05:20] <gunndawg> jmarsden, in the sound mixer under Input I cant change anything
[05:20] <gunndawg> cant change input volume, or where it says "Choose a device for sound input" its empty
[05:21] <gunndawg> jmarsden, I take that back, only one device is listed
[05:21] <gunndawg> but I still cant change input volume or anything, options are grayed out
[05:21] <gunndawg> jmarsden, the device listed under input in sound mixer is "Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
[05:22] <jmarsden> I think you need more of a Linux sound expert than I am... it looks to me as though the driver is not telling the higher levels of the sound code that the mic input exists, so the mixer doesn't display it... but that's mostly a guess.
[05:22] <jmarsden> Do you have a line in jack ?  and DO you have something that generates line level audio you could plug into it?
[05:23] <gunndawg> what do you mean line in jack ?
[05:23] <gunndawg> I plug my headset into the GREEN jack, and then the mic into the PINK jack
[05:23] <gunndawg> if thats what you mean
[05:23] <jmarsden> Might be interesting to see whether that gets recorded or not.  A jack ( a connector on the sound card or motherboard) labelled line in, often blue on PC cards.
[05:23] <jmarsden> Is there a blue jack?
[05:23] <gunndawg> jmarsden, no blue jack
[05:24] <jmarsden> OK, never mind that idea then :)
[05:25] <gunndawg> heh
[05:25] <jmarsden> I think you should probably file a bug report and see if the experts pick up on it in Launchpad, at this point.
[05:26] <gunndawg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/434520
[05:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 434520 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio refuses to use internal microphone input (Lenovo X300)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:26] <gunndawg> that looks like its already been done
[05:27] <jmarsden> OK... that is your exact make and model of machine?
[05:27] <gunndawg> no
[05:27] <gunndawg> not exact
[05:28] <gunndawg> but it uses HDA Intel and its a pulseaudio problem
[05:28] <gunndawg> with all the same symptoms
[05:29] <jmarsden> HDA Intel is ... not exactly one chip :)
[05:29] <gunndawg> jmarsden, try running gstream-properties
[05:29] <jmarsden> I'd file a new bug with all the detailed info from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems in it, and let the experts decide if it is really a duplicate of bug #434520
[05:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 434520 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio refuses to use internal microphone input (Lenovo X300)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434520
[05:29] <gunndawg> wonder if this is what I need to change, looks kinda promising
[05:30] <jmarsden> gstream-properties ?  I can't find such a program or package name here.
[05:31] <gunndawg> strange
[05:31] <gunndawg> it opened up the multimedia systems selector
[05:31] <jmarsden> Ah, gstreamer-properties .  The "er" matters.
[05:31] <gunndawg> oops, sorry
[05:32] <jmarsden> OK, and does it show you the mic input as a possible one you can select?
[05:32] <gunndawg> jmarsden, I can change the plugin and device
[05:32] <gunndawg> or the pipeline if I choose custom under plugin
[05:32] <jmarsden> To what?
[05:33] <gunndawg> ALSA, Pulse, OSS - open sound system, OSS - opens ound system v4, and Custom
[05:33] <jmarsden> I wouldn't change that!  Can you change the device to mic or microphone or anything similar to that?
[05:34] <jmarsden> The input device, that is.
[05:34] <gunndawg> no
[05:35] <gunndawg> under ALSA I can change device to CONEXANT Analog
[05:35] <gunndawg> and when I do a test it just makes a humming noice
[05:35] <gunndawg> noise*
[05:35] <jmarsden> Yes... if your system is all set up for Pulseaudio and you switch systems, there is (as far as I know) a lot more to do than just changing one item in a dialog box :)
[05:36] <jmarsden> It was set to Pulseaudio when you first ran the gstreamer-properties application, right?
[05:36] <gunndawg> yeah
[05:37] <jmarsden> Then... that's how it should stay, unless you really know enough to set up alsa and then switch to it... and I don't.
[05:38] <gunndawg> alright
[05:39] <gunndawg> brb gonna reboot
[05:39] <jmarsden> OK.
[05:42] <gunndawg> back
[05:42] <jmarsden> OK.  I think I'll stick my earlier statement "I'd file a new bug with all the detailed info from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems in it, and let the experts decide if it is really a duplicate of bug #434520"
[05:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 434520 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio refuses to use internal microphone input (Lenovo X300)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434520
[05:43] <gunndawg> ok
[05:45] <gunndawg> trying another fix, gonna reboot again
[05:52] <gunndawg> hmmm, well I did something
[05:53] <gunndawg> I added a line to the pulse default.pa file
[05:53] <gunndawg> and now I have another option showing up under the INPUT tab when you open up the mixer
[06:09] <gunndawg_> well, I am all out of ideas, heh
[06:16] <jmarsden> Did you file a bug as I suggested?  What is the bug number?
[10:24] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:38] <r00t4rd3d> hi paultag , learn how to set a proper ban newb
[14:51] <raubvogel> Which user/group do postifx and dovecot run as?
[17:11] <seidos> strange, i can't start evince from command line
[17:11]  * seidos searches the web
[17:14] <s-fox> Bit odd seidos
[17:24] <igi> i think my wlan is not fast enough... how i can make it faster
[17:24] <holstein> igi: move closer to the router ;)
[17:25] <igi> 2 meter?
[17:25] <holstein> igi: are there other driver options for your hardware?
[17:25] <igi> dont know
[17:26] <holstein> is this your home network?
[17:26] <igi> yes
[17:26] <holstein> are you sure its not an issue on the access point?
[17:27] <igi> when i use windows its faster then on ubuntu
[17:27] <holstein> how do you know that?
[17:28] <igi> my dad
[17:28] <holstein> how does he know that?
[17:28] <igi> ...have windows 7
[17:28] <holstein> right
[17:28] <holstein> i would not trust what either OS report
[17:29] <holstein> IF i were worried about it
[17:29] <holstein> i would put something up locally
[17:29] <holstein> on the home network
[17:29] <holstein> a big file
[17:29] <igi> i have normaly 12 mbits
[17:29] <holstein> and time its download in win
[17:29] <holstein> and lin
[17:29] <holstein> igi: thats what you are being told you have
[17:29] <holstein> and you are being told you have more than that in win
[17:30] <igi> i can make a speedtest
[17:30] <s-fox> Do a speed test.
[17:30] <holstein> sure
[17:30] <holstein> try that first
[17:30] <holstein> thats easy enough
[17:30] <igi> OMG sooo slow
[17:32] <igi> i have 9 mbits
[17:33] <igi> but when i open a site i have wait a lot
[17:33] <holstein> igi: what hardware?
[17:33] <holstein> could be a bug
[17:34] <holstein> igi: are you updated?
[17:34] <igi> sry im new on ubuntu
[17:34] <igi> how to check?
[17:35] <JoeMaverickSett> igi: to update your system, click System (from the panel) > Administration > Update Manager :)
[17:35] <holstein> right click on the little network thingy
[17:35] <holstein> go to 'connection information'
[17:35] <holstein> that will tell you what driver you are using
[17:35] <holstein> but, i would wire it up
[17:35] <holstein> to LAN
[17:35] <igi> rtl8187
[17:35] <holstein> and run the updates like JoeMaverickSett suggests
[17:36]  * JoeMaverickSett nods.
[17:37] <igi> i have 10.10
[17:40] <igi>  Ubuntu 10.10 - »Maverick Meerkat«
[17:41] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, that it's name
[17:42] <MrChrisDruif> Next will be Natty Narwhal :D
[17:42] <igi> aha
[17:43] <MrChrisDruif> But that's in April :P
[17:44] <igi> can i have some private support how knows about wlan ?
[17:45] <MrChrisDruif> Not with me....I don't know about it and have to go :)
[17:45] <igi> :(
[17:45] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry, I've got a real life as well :P
[17:46] <igi> i too
[17:47] <igi> my mentor is not online :(
[17:48] <holstein> igi: how did the upgrade go?
[17:48] <holstein> thats what i would suggest
[17:48] <holstein> upgrade via wired internet
[17:48] <holstein> and reboot
[17:48] <igi> what i upgrade?
[17:49] <holstein> 12:35 < JoeMaverickSett> igi: to update your system, click System (from the panel) > Administration > Update Manager :)
[17:49] <holstein> upgrade your packages
[17:49] <holstein> potentially the kernel
[17:49] <JoeMaverickSett> igi: well, although you installed 10.10 latest working version, some packages may not be up to date, so you have to upgrade to see if it solves your problem or not. :)
[17:50] <igi> i have updatet often
[17:50] <holstein> OK
[17:50] <holstein> so you are up to date with updates then?
[17:50] <holstein> you just checked?
[17:50] <holstein> if not, check igi
[17:50] <holstein> thats my first suggestion
[17:50] <igi> sry but how?
[17:50] <holstein> 12:35 < JoeMaverickSett> igi: to update your system, click System (from the panel) > Administration > Update Manager :)
[17:51] <holstein> i dont think your mentor would disagree with this as a trouble-shooting step
[17:52] <igi> I do not understand
[17:52] <holstein> igi: no worris
[17:52] <holstein> igi: no worries*
[17:52] <holstein> what im suggesting is
[17:52] <holstein> that there are some packages
[17:52] <holstein> that IF you update
[17:52] <holstein> COULD effect the performance of your wifi
[17:52] <holstein> the kernel being one of those packages
[17:53] <holstein> SO
[17:53] <holstein> as a preliminary trouble-shooting step
[17:53] <holstein> i suggest checking to see if you are up to date
[17:53] <holstein> with package updates
[17:53] <holstein> one way to do that is in the 'system' menue
[17:53] <holstein> one way to do that is in the 'system' menu *
[17:54] <holstein> 'system' - 'administration' - 'update manager'
[17:54] <igi> i know
[17:54] <holstein> when launching the update manager
[17:54] <holstein> let me konw it you have any further questions about its use
[17:54] <holstein> i was suggesting using wired internet prior to this
[17:55] <holstein> to take advantage of the increased speed that will give you
[17:55] <holstein> BUT that is no necessary
[17:55] <holstein> igi: you know what?
[17:55] <igi> it comes automatically
[17:56] <holstein> igi: the application checks periodically
[17:56] <holstein> automaitically
[17:56] <holstein> im asking that you check manually
[17:56] <holstein> right now
[17:57] <igi> yes
[17:57] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[17:57] <kristian-aalborg> my radiotray installation is acting up
[18:01] <igi> holstein thx for your help
[18:05] <AbhijiT> kristian-aalborg, good i too like radio tray
[18:13] <kristian-aalborg> yes, it's rather cool... but still a bit beta-y
[18:14] <AbhijiT> yeag
[18:14] <AbhijiT> kristian-aalborg, i miss the keyboard shortcut for radio tray
[18:14] <kristian-aalborg> is your installation working otherwise?
[18:14] <AbhijiT> yes
[18:15] <AbhijiT> i m in 64 bit lucid
[18:37] <kristian-aalborg> I get an error about a missing gstreamer plugin
[18:37] <kristian-aalborg> I instaleld everything I could think of
[18:46] <kristian-aalborg> ah, I got it :)
[18:50] <xman> hi
[18:51] <xman> do you know a way to change desktop icons size in ubuntu ???
[18:53] <Bipul`> xman go to system and then appearance
[18:55] <xman> but is not any option for icons >>> theme> bakgraund image and fonts
[18:59] <duanedesign> xman: hello
[18:59] <xman> hi duanedesign
[18:59] <duanedesign> xman: in Nautilus go to Edit > Preferences
[18:59] <xman> ok
[19:00] <duanedesign> hmm
[19:01] <duanedesign> i thought it was icon view defaults
[19:01] <duanedesign> Ctrl + and Ctrl -
[19:01] <duanedesign> also works in Nautilus. Not sure about the desktop
[19:02] <xman> yes but in nautilus >preferences  work only 33%/50%/66%/100%
[19:03] <xman> is any way to use a custom size ?
[19:04] <xman> for example 80%?
[19:05] <xman> duanedesign ???
[19:06] <duanedesign> not that i am aware. Might be something in gconf-editor
[19:06] <xman> yes
[19:13] <supersnail> hi! i just installed ubuntu 10.04 and after donwloading the updates for it, the panel has frozen and won't respond. does anyone know what could make this happen?
[19:21] <duanedesign> supersnail: try opening a Termnal and running the command:  killall gnome-panel
[19:21] <duanedesign> gome will automagically restart it
[19:22] <supersnail> nothing happens
[19:23] <duanedesign> ok
[19:23] <duanedesign> supersnail: run the command:  ps -ef | grep panel
[19:23] <supersnail> ok
[19:23] <duanedesign> get something like 1000      1801  1685  0 13:08 ?        00:00:07 gnome-panel
[19:24] <duanedesign> then run:   kill -9 1801   or whatever process ID you get
[19:25] <supersnail> ok thanks hold on
[19:26] <duanedesign> the PID will be the second 'column'
[19:26] <supersnail> ok it has restarted
[19:28] <supersnail> it restarted but the panels are still unresponsive :(
[19:29] <supersnail> the wireless network is the only thing that will respond on the panel
[19:30] <duanedesign> supersnail: can you switch workspaces and see if the panel is unresponsive in other workspaces
[19:32] <supersnail> yes unresponsive in all
[19:32] <duanedesign> :\
[19:40] <duanedesign> supersnail: found this thread on the forums. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1647861
[19:40] <duanedesign> see what you think
[19:41] <supersnail> i'll try it!
[19:44] <supersnail> duane: that worked! thanks so much
[19:44] <supersnail> id been suching forums for days >.<
[19:46] <supersnail> thanks again! everyone is so helpful :)
[19:51] <Reaper50435> I need some help and cannot seem to get it
[19:52] <bioterror> !ask | Reaper50435
[19:52] <ubot2> Reaper50435: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[19:53] <Reaper50435> I installed kubuntu 10.10 on my aunts dell inspiron 1501 I have been to the kubuntu channel and lets just say they were not very helpful, I updated the system after restart the mouse and keyboard do not work but I know they are working fine
[19:54] <bioterror> problems with X, I see
[19:55] <Reaper50435> how do I fix it
[19:56] <bioterror> you could try hmmm
[19:56] <bioterror> logging in from the tty (ctrl+alt+f1, if you can ;)
[19:56] <bioterror> if you cant, I hope you can go to recovery console
[19:57] <Reaper50435> no keyboard does nothing
[19:57] <Reaper50435> I can get to recovery console
[19:57] <Reaper50435> i think
[19:57] <bioterror> yeah, from the boot menu
[19:57] <bioterror> grub
[19:58] <bioterror> if you dont get one, right after the BIOS press left shift key
[19:58] <bioterror> we can try to make you a xorg.conf
[19:58] <bioterror> if it helps us :P
[19:58] <Reaper50435> recovery mode
[19:59] <Reaper50435> is that what I need
[20:00] <bioterror> yes
[20:00] <Reaper50435> ok its doing something
[20:03] <Reaper50435> its stopped at [      3.627450 atkdb serio0: Use 'setkeycodes e00d <keycode>' to make it known. and its just setting their doing nothing
[20:04] <bioterror> hmmmm
[20:05] <Reaper50435> everything was fine until I updated the system
[20:06] <bioterror> Reaper50435, do you have older kernel in grub? ;)
[20:06] <Reaper50435> I didnt see it
[20:08] <bioterror> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350293
[20:08] <ubot2> bugzilla.novell.com bug 350293 in Kernel "atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x8d on isa0060/serio0)." [Normal,Resolved: wontfix]
[20:08] <Reaper50435> what I have in grub is ubuntu, with linux 2.6.35-22-generic
[20:09] <bioterror> Reaper50435, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=429718&sid=90961e0a6c05b4ab77f98b2a5dd5984a#429718
[20:10] <Reaper50435> but going to the grub commnd-line keyboard works
[20:13] <bioterror> do the battery trick
[20:13] <bioterror> doesnt cost anything ;)
[20:13] <Reaper50435> yeah Im trying it now
[20:17] <Reaper50435> nope still not working
[20:21] <bioterror> Reaper50435, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/549741/comments/43
[20:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 549741 in linux "[Dell Latitude 131L] keyboard not recognized properly; logs fill up with messages" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:22] <duanedesign> maybe if you could look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log that might give a hint?
[20:24] <duanedesign> is the mouse/keyboard PS/2 or usb?
[20:24] <bioterror> duanedesign, problem is the kernel and bios
[20:24] <bioterror> or something like that
[20:24] <Reaper50435> ok the mouse that I use on my laptop is usb but I dont have a usb keyboard were I am at right now
[20:25] <bioterror> technically that's a problem we cant fix
[20:27] <Reaper50435> yeah i know but if I had a usb keyboard then maybe we could get more
[20:27] <Reaper50435> but thanks for all the help
[20:43] <Daniel0108> hi
[20:48] <danber> hey all
[20:49] <danber> do I really have to open a terminal and run complicated commands to install a regular printer driver?
[20:50] <danber> I've read many places that ubuntu is supposed to be so easy and it's "windows you need brains for"
[20:50] <danber> but I'm not so sure about that
[20:51] <danber> been running ubuntu for about a week now
[20:51] <holstein> danber: you dont have to
[20:52] <holstein> you can get a printer from a manufacturer that supports linux
[20:52] <danber> norsk?
[20:52] <danber> norwegian?
[20:52] <holstein> danber: what is the device?
[20:53] <danber> just a sec, I'll show you the link
[20:55] <danber> http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/instruction_scn1a.html
[20:55] <holstein> danber: what printer do you have?
[20:56] <danber> you think this sort of stuff only goes for this particular manufacturer?
[20:56] <holstein> depends
[20:56] <danber> brother dcp-7010L
[20:56] <holstein> brother is decent
[20:56] <holstein> i have 1
[20:56] <holstein> and access to 3 others
[20:56] <holstein> that are plug n play
[20:57] <holstein> i would check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416430
[20:57] <holstein> and http://cholito.org/2008/03/11/brother-dcp-7010l-and-linux
[20:59] <danber> ok thanks
[20:59] <holstein> i guess to answer your question
[20:59] <holstein> yes
[20:59] <holstein> you might have to open a terminal and run complicated commands to install a regular printer driver
[21:00] <holstein> BUT, this is not a 'regular printer driver'
[21:00] <holstein> this is a printer/scanner driver
[21:00] <holstein> and not a common one
[21:01] <danber> yes, to be precise, my device does print by plug and play, but I'm short of some functionality like scanning for instance
[21:02] <holstein> networked scanning?
[21:02] <holstein> danber: can you hook it up USB ?
[21:02] <holstein> if you can
[21:02] <danber> no not network, it's hooked by usb
[21:02] <holstein> go to 'applications - graphics - simple scan'
[21:03] <holstein> and see if it just finds the scanner
[21:03] <holstein> it = that simple scan app
[21:03] <danber> no it can't find it
[21:03] <holstein> doesnt have to
[21:03] <holstein> too bad
[21:04] <danber> tried xsane too
[21:04] <holstein> ive only used a handful of scanners with buntu
[21:04] <holstein> and they've so far all just worked
[21:04] <danber> guess I'm just out of luck then....:)
[21:05] <holstein> nah
[21:05] <holstein> http://cholito.org/2008/03/11/brother-dcp-7010l-and-linux
[21:05] <holstein> doesnt look too hard
[21:05] <holstein> might need to tweak the process a bit
[21:05] <holstein> to work with 10.04
[21:05] <holstein> or 10.10
[21:06] <danber> right. seems there's a site for everything :)
[21:06] <holstein> thats what i like about linux and buntu
[21:07] <holstein> lots of support around
[21:07] <danber> obviously
[21:10] <danber> my other bad experience was first time I booted, I was prompted to install an ATI proprietary driver, and this (I think) led to me being unable to boot. it just went into shell or whatever it's called, and I hadn't the faintest idea what to do so i reinstalled
[21:11] <holstein> sure
[21:11] <holstein> danber: thats normal
[21:11] <danber> I mean first time I was in
[21:11] <holstein> you dont *have to install that driver
[21:11] <holstein> sometimes, i dont
[21:11] <holstein> depends on the machine
[21:12] <holstein> there are several reasons why that would cause an issue for you
[21:12] <holstein> the trick is
[21:12] <holstein> come in here *before* you do that :)
[21:12] <holstein> and ask
[21:12] <danber> hehe
[21:12] <holstein> and get the scoop on what can and might break
[21:12] <holstein> and how to have a nice backup plan
[21:12] <holstein> in case something does break
[21:12] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsane/+bug/578620
[21:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 578620 in xsane "Failed to open device `brother3:bus1;dev1': Invalid argument" [Undecided,New]
[21:13] <holstein> ^^ looks like you could add yourself to that relevant bug maybe
[21:14] <ddecator> xsane?
[21:15] <ddecator> haven't used that in a long time
[21:15] <holstein> i assumed simplescan was just a front-end for it
[21:15] <ddecator> not sure..
[21:15] <holstein> but, i should know better, and assume nothing :)
[21:15] <danber> I'm not following you
[21:16] <holstein> danber: you're not following me?
[21:16] <holstein> about the bug?
[21:16] <danber> well right, that's not the error message. It's more like "can't find any devices"
[21:16] <holstein> OK
[21:16] <holstein> still, you might want to try and find a bug
[21:17] <danber> sure
[21:17] <holstein> and add yourself to it
[21:17] <ddecator> looks like simple scan was written as a replacement for xsane, not a front-end
[21:17] <holstein> ddecator: cool
[21:17] <holstein> i like it :)
[21:17] <ddecator> yah, it's a LOT nicer
[21:17] <holstein> eh
[21:17] <holstein> xsane just looked old
[21:19] <danber> actually I have a third issue
[21:19] <holstein> hehe
[21:20] <holstein> go for it danber
[21:20] <danber> :)
[21:20] <danber> I'm very sure about having downloaded 64 bit ubuntu
[21:20] <holstein> also
[21:20] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[21:21] <holstein> something to read about the ATI driver issue
[21:21] <holstein> you can check that out before trying again
[21:21] <danber> but now every time I try to install something I get "wrong architecture"
[21:21] <danber> alright
[21:21] <ddecator> danber: install what? something from a .deb?
[21:21] <danber> so it only accepts i386
[21:21] <holstein> danber: theres no practical reason to run 64bit
[21:21] <holstein> id say
[21:22] <danber> anything
[21:22] <danber> like google chrome
[21:22] <ddecator> from the repos?
[21:22] <danber> heard about this?
[21:22] <holstein> yeah, thats a good point
[21:22] <holstein> anything in the repos *should install
[21:22] <danber> whats repos?
[21:22] <ddecator> how are you trying to install apps?
[21:25] <danber> from ubuntu softwarecenter and differents websites. on websites, obviously you often need to choose  from 32bit or 64 bit...
[21:25] <holstein> danber: where do you get this warning?
[21:25] <holstein> not from software center right?
[21:25] <ddecator> and even from the software center it gives an error?
[21:25] <danber> no, no error from the softwarecenter
[21:25] <holstein> ok
[21:26] <holstein> that is to be expected
[21:26] <holstein> next time you re-install
[21:26] <holstein> just do 32bit
[21:26] <holstein> unless you need 64 for some reason
[21:26] <holstein> i have several 64bit installs
[21:26] <danber> i get the error when I've downloaded, say, chrome 64 bit, an pushed the "install" button
[21:26] <holstein> mostly for testing
[21:26] <holstein> and my audio production box is 64bit
[21:26] <holstein> other than that, 32bit is what i have
[21:27] <ddecator> there isn't really a disadvantage to 64bit. i use it without issue
[21:27] <ddecator> danber: what does it say when you run the command "uname -m" in a terminal?
[21:27] <holstein> danber: i would double check that you have the 64bit .deb downloaded
[21:27] <danber> how do I check?
[21:27] <holstein> go back to the site
[21:27] <holstein> and look
[21:28] <holstein> if i wanted chrome
[21:28] <holstein> i would install chromium
[21:28] <holstein> from the repo
[21:28] <ddecator> a lot of the time the file name will say 64 somewhere in there
[21:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[21:28] <holstein> OR search in the software center
[21:28] <ddecator> but lets make absolutely sure it's 64-bit by running that command i gave :)
[21:28] <danber> what is repo?
[21:29] <holstein> yeah, run uname -m like ddecator suggests
[21:29] <ddecator> danber: repo is short for "repository." it's where software packages are stored. the official repository hosts packages tested and maintained by ubuntu developers. it's the most reliable source for getting software. the software center uses the official repository
[21:30] <danber> right ok
[21:31] <danber> i686
[21:31] <danber> is what it says
[21:31] <ddecator> that's 32-bit :)
[21:31] <holstein> hehe
[21:31] <danber> damn
[21:31] <holstein> "theres your problem"
[21:31] <danber> I was dead sure
[21:31] <holstein> i wouldnt sweat it
[21:31] <ddecator> it's usually the things we're sure about that end up being the problem :p
[21:31] <holstein> i have a couple 32bit only apps
[21:32] <holstein> that i miss
[21:32] <danber> hehe true
[21:32] <holstein> and theres not really an easy way to deal with that
[21:32] <danber> I thought I needed 64 bit to get full use of 6GB RAM.....
[21:33] <holstein> not necessarily
[21:33] <holstein> theres a pae kernel
[21:33] <holstein> if your motherboard supports that
[21:33] <holstein> and it probably does
[21:33] <holstein> danber: in the terminal
[21:33] <holstein> run the command
[21:33] <holstein> free
[21:34] <danber> in systemmonitor it says 5.4 GiB
[21:34] <holstein> i think that would report 4
[21:34] <holstein> if you were unable to access the full 6
[21:35] <holstein> 5.4 seems right to me
[21:35] <danber> free tells me 5671520 of ram
[21:35] <holstein> you can do free -m
[21:36] <holstein> if you prefer MB's
[21:36] <danber> what if it was eight or ten would it make a difference?
[21:36] <holstein> danber: im not positive
[21:36] <holstein> but i thought it was 4 GB's
[21:36] <danber> I do :)
[21:36] <holstein> the limit
[21:36] <holstein> SO, i would say it shouldnt make a difference
[21:37] <holstein> in the terminal
[21:37] <holstein> run
[21:37] <holstein> uname -a
[21:37] <danber> Linux dan-GA-880GA-UD3H 2.6.35-25-generic-pae #44-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 21 19:01:46 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:37] <holstein> you see something like 2.6.32-28-pae
[21:37] <holstein> yeah
[21:37] <holstein> the pae is what is allowing you access then
[21:38] <holstein> and, AFAIK
[21:38] <danber> mhm?
[21:38] <holstein> it would allow you to access more
[21:38] <holstein> 8 or 10 or whatever
[21:38] <danber> I see
[21:38] <yofel> it would be ~3.6 I think if it couldn't access it, so holstein is right
[21:39] <danber> this differs a bit from windows doesn't it?
[21:39] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
[21:39] <holstein> danber: im not sure how windows deals with it
[21:39] <holstein> i dont know if 32bit xp has the same issue
[21:40] <holstein> or, if it does, if there is a work-around
[21:40] <yofel> xp certainly has, I tried xp 32-bit with 6GiB once, ended up with 4
[21:40] <holstein> hmmm
[21:40] <holstein> maybe theres a program
[21:40] <holstein> or something equivalent to the pae kernel
[21:41] <yofel> every other windows I had there was 64-bit so I can't say anything about the newer versions
[21:41] <danber> what exactly is pae then?
[21:41] <holstein> yeah, i dont have a way to test that either
[21:41] <holstein> danber: check that wiki page
[21:41] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
[21:44] <danber> well then I'm out of issues
[21:44] <danber> thanks for the help
[21:45] <holstein> danber: anytime :)
[22:42] <Reaper50435> ok I did a fresh install and see that my swap space has 2.49GiBs were as my physical memory 869.44 how do I change this
[22:49] <holstein> hey Reaper50435
[22:50] <holstein> im about to run
[22:50] <holstein> BUT, i would say, try and be specific about what you want to change
[22:50] <holstein> IF you want to change the size of your swap space or whatever
[22:50] <Reaper50435> yes
[22:50] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[22:50] <Reaper50435> change the size of the swap
[23:00] <johnny77> what is the command to see the name of a key when pressed for keybindings?
[23:43] <NativeAngels> Hello