[03:31] <m4v> IdleOne is back
[03:32] <IdleOne> not really
[03:32] <rww> IdleOne is front
[03:33] <m4v> buuh
[17:36] <jono> can some ops help me moderate #ubuntu-meeting?
[17:38] <Tm_T> jono: I'm semi-available
[17:38] <Tm_T> what needs to be done?
[17:38] <bazhang> set +m?
[17:38] <jono> tm_T can we have #ubuntu-meeting locked so that only pgraner and I can speak and people can ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:38] <Tm_T> ye
[17:39] <jono> thanks
[17:39] <Tm_T> oh, I apparently don't have rights there..
[17:39] <Tm_T> I thought I had
[17:39] <jono> bazhang, can you do that for me?
[17:40] <Tm_T> popey: available?
[17:40] <Tm_T> jono: nope, you can see the list who can by doing "/msg chanserv access #ubuntu-meeting list"
[17:41] <bazhang> dholbach popey mdke freenode staff and pricechild
[17:41] <bazhang> or ircc members
[17:41] <bazhang> jono, I wish I could :)
[19:28] <vish> can we set a re-direct for -meeting all the "*@gateway/web/freenode/*" to -classroom-chat or whereever it is that folks need to be heading?
[22:04] <_marx_> policy question: is there an official policy on bots for loco team channels? my team has lubotu1 and ubuntulog2 (w/o warning). are these required or recommended for loco team channels?
[22:04] <_marx_> by w/o warning i mean in the channel's topic
[22:04] <popey> we request that loco teams log their main channel
[22:04] <tsimpson> what channel?
[22:05] <tsimpson> it should have an entry message about logging though
[22:05] <tsimpson> or topic
[22:05] <_marx_> ubuntu-us-nc
[22:05] <_marx_> yes i know now
[22:08] <_marx_> ok so i just need to add an appropriate notice in the topic
[22:18] <popey> hmm
[22:19] <popey> i just joined a bunch of loco channels and they all showed me the 'you're logged' message
[22:19] <popey> however, most posted it in english
[22:19] <popey> this seems sub-optimal
[22:19] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/562775/
[22:19] <tsimpson> it really should be localized
[22:20] <_marx_> thx for the super fast help yall!
[22:20] <tsimpson> and those locobots are supposed to be replaced by ubuntulogs
[22:22] <nhandler> tsimpson: lubotu isn't the old loco log bot, it is the ubottu clone
[22:22] <rww> the locobot_# bots are still online. I dunno if they're actually in channels, though.
[22:23] <tsimpson> nhandler: not lubot, locobot
[22:23] <rww> ... oh. I suspect it would help if nhandler and I actually read pastes.
[22:24]  * nhandler thought he was commenting on the orginal comment by _marx_ (who said lubotu1)
[22:25] <popey> I'm mailing ubuntu-irc so we can figure out how to resolve this
[22:26] <nhandler> I just checked. All the channels in popey's paste also have ubuntulog. So we just need to get the loco log bot removed
[22:27] <popey> I'm less bothered about logging, more bothered by the fact that I'm not told in french, or italian that the channel is logged
[22:27] <popey> anyway, mail sent so we get it known that its an issue
[22:28] <tsimpson> would probably be better to email the loco contacts than the -irc ML
[22:29] <nhandler> popey: Those were notices from locobot, not chanserv entrymsg's (which need to get set and should be localized)
[22:29] <popey> I'm not asking -irc to do anything, my mail asks who should be tasks with fixing it
[22:30] <popey> and loco-contacts is probably not as useful as you think
[22:30] <popey> the vast majority of loco teams dont read it
[22:30] <popey> (which is a separate issue itself)
[22:31] <Tm_T> indeed, then there's people like me who reads, but forgets it all ):
[22:31] <rww> Rather than changing locobot, 1) channel founders need to be poked about setting chanserv entrymsg / topic / etc., 2) locobot_* should be actually be removed for good (unless some channels prefer it? I don't know what its status is).
[22:31] <rww> since ubuntulog doesn't handle entry messages like locobot did (which is fine, that's what entrymsg is for)
[22:32] <nhandler> rww: locobot was meant to be removed once ubuntulog showed up. We'll need to get a hold of the admin to ask about that
[22:34] <_marx_> daanngg; i started out following up on a team meeting action item and feel like i stepped in a yellow jacket nest
[22:35] <gpc> haha
[22:35] <gpc> that'll tech you
[22:35] <gpc> teach*
[22:35] <_marx_> well tech me too ;)
[22:35] <rww> _marx_: nah. It's just been a rather messy transition.
[22:35] <popey> its great _marx_, I'm glad you brought it up
[22:36] <rww> indeed
[22:36] <popey> hopefully it will ultimately result in a better experience for new users
[22:36] <popey> so thats a win
[22:36] <rww> I take it that -us-nc wasn't originally logged by locobot_*?
[22:36] <_marx_> i'm wondering how much info to split between entrymsg and topic now
[22:37] <_marx_> rww: i believe it was at one time
[22:38] <rww> ah, okay. I inferred from your original message that the channel used to be unlogged. That would have explained why a lot of channels don't have entrymsg, topic, etc. set up for it.
[22:43] <_marx_> part of the explanation of that is that i'm a long time irc user but haven't op'd much
[22:44] <_marx_> our team has two other ops, i caught this one
[23:06] <m4v> we have a mixed language entrymsg due to the Terms Of Service being in english.
[23:14] <erUSUL> popey: El canal se archiva públicamente (Nota legal: This channel is publicly logged at  irclogs.ubuntu.com. Use of this channel implies acceptance of the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService )
[23:14] <erUSUL> note that we say it first in spanish. and then we link the terms of service
[23:15] <m4v> erUSUL: he meant the locobot's entry msg though
[23:16] <m4v> which was always in english as I remember
[23:16] <tsimpson> loco teams should be encouraged to translate the ToS page into their language and link to that
[23:28] <m4v> we have a ton of documentation that need translation.