[00:00] <Pici> charlie-tca: I actually had already gotten the email when I said that earlier.
[00:00] <charlie-tca> That was what I waited for, too. I find it works better that way
[00:01] <rww> !default
[00:02] <rww> I see that there are more words in the suggestion. I don't see how it's different :<
[00:02] <charlie-tca> I like the original better. It is simpler
[01:05] <ray24> buncha of fags
[01:05] <ray24> fuck this
[01:05] <maco> watch your language please
[01:05] <Pici> Well that sort of attitude isn't going to get you unbanned any faster,
[01:06] <ray24> banning me?
[01:06] <ray24> if i saw you in real life
[01:06] <ray24> your done
[01:06] <rww> my done what?
[01:06] <ray24> post your profile
[01:06] <maco> is that a threat of violence and or murder?
[01:06] <ray24> lemme see your  credentials
[01:06] <ray24> im a man of power
[01:06] <maco> are you aware that such threats even when made on the internet are just as illegal as when over the phone or face to face?
[01:06] <h00k> clearly.
[01:06] <ray24> let me see who that is behind that computer
[01:06] <ray24> before you exude anymore authority
[01:06] <ray24> upon thee
[01:07] <maco> er, that's not how you use second-person familiar
[01:07] <ray24> what makes you think your opinion is any good?
[01:07] <h00k> it's true.
[01:07] <bazhang> !staff
[01:07] <maco> as in, you just used a second person pronoun to refer to yourself, which since you said it...you should've used a first person pronoun
[01:07] <Pici> ahem.
[01:07] <Pici> bazhang: ?
[01:07] <ray24> this place is brainwash
[01:07] <ray24> communist
[01:07] <bazhang> Pici, death threats?
[01:07] <h00k> Also, ray24, your attitude isn't going to get yourself anywhere. Please go away.
[01:07] <ray24> go away?
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> Can anyone think of a single reason to allow this to continue?
[01:07] <maco> nope
[01:07] <ray24> I'm a ubuntu user
[01:08] <marienz> assuming you don't need staff anymore?
[01:08] <bazhang> just wanted to make them aware
[01:08] <maco> h00k: was "it's true" at my grammar correction?
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> marienz: well, unless you have weekly meetings with the FBI :P
[01:09] <h00k> maco: yes
[01:09] <Pici> Unless marienz disagrees, I think that just a poke to a staffer might be better. I see !staff similarly to !ops, in that we need action take asap.
[01:09] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I know people in the US DoD, if that helps.
[01:10] <h00k> tonyyarusso: He called me once for Linux help.
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> yay, PMs too!
[01:10]  * Pici too
[01:10] <h00k> not here, yet.
[01:10] <Jordan_U> Never would have expected that.
[01:10] <rww> h00k: oh, good. I was feeling left out.
[01:10]  * h00k queries rww 
[01:10] <Pici> I threw the appeals link at them... good thing I don't have to deal with those anymore.
[01:11] <marienz> assuming this is the first time he does something like this I don't think staff should get involved just yet, but I've relayed it
[01:11] <rww> h00k: xkcd 853
[01:11] <Pici> marienz: As far as I know, this is the first time we've seen this particular guy.
[01:11] <h00k> rww: :3 I love that one.
[01:12] <maco> i think if i threw a stick within a mile of where i work, i'd hit a US DoD person, seeing as the suburb where i work was created to house people who work at No Such Agency
[01:13] <maco> oh im getting them now too
[01:13] <maco> ive been called two names so far
[01:13] <Pici> only two?
[01:13] <maco> and afaik, they're not ones that can usually both apply to the same person...
[01:14] <h00k> Stop Theeself!
[01:14] <maco> hmm one of them just repeated, and ive been asked to commit suicide
[01:14]  * maco ponders
[01:14] <maco> no thanks
[01:14] <maco> i just got a new job. think i'd like to stay alive long enough for my first paycheque at least
[01:14] <Pici> I'll add my pm log to the bt comments.
[01:14] <maco> oh and a racial term was just used as if it were an insult...
[01:16] <Pici> and.. commented.
[01:16] <h00k> @login
[01:16] <h00k> @btloin
[01:16] <h00k> fail.
[01:16] <h00k> @btlgin
[01:16] <rww> @btloincloth
[01:16] <h00k> ...
[01:16] <h00k> @btlogin
[01:16] <Jordan_U> mmm, btloin
[01:16] <Jordan_U> btloin with btgin, even better.
[01:17] <rww> I don't get it. He's threatening to do Ubuntu advocacy?
[01:18] <Pici> I didn't know being unemployed was an insult either.
[01:18] <h00k> Oop, now I'm in the club, too.
[01:18]  * rww sulks
[01:18] <persia> Anything can be an insult: "You're so useless, you use a computer!!!", it's all in the delivery.
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> "You can't even chat on IRC without a machine to help!"
[01:19] <h00k> Okay, in all honesty, what was said to me was pretty weak.
[01:19] <h00k> Not advocating anything, but...heh.
[01:19] <Jordan_U> persia: In Soviet Russia computer uses YOU!
[01:20] <maco> i mostly was just informed my sexuality is unacceptable. with no evidence regarding what my sexuality actually is. but whatever!
[01:20] <persia> Jordan_U, Pity those days are gone: there's something better about BCI interfaces when the HID is an output device.
[01:20] <Pici> So.. in other words, just another day as an op.
[01:20] <h00k> I added my comment to the bantracker as well.
[01:20] <h00k> s/comment/comments
[01:20] <h00k> there were 2!
[01:20] <rww> Pici: they haven't ban-evaded yet, so today is actually a relatively good day
[01:20] <h00k> rww: don't give ideas :(
[01:20] <maco> ubottu isnt answering when i login
[01:20] <maco> @login
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> maco: Maybe being capable of having a sexuality is unacceptable?
[01:21] <maco> ah have to do it in a channel. how silly
[01:21] <maco> @btlogin
[01:21] <maco> tonyyarusso: im sorry im not a eunuch?
[01:21] <Jordan_U> maco: You shouldn't have to.
[01:21] <maco> if only we were all unix....
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> maco: hehe
[01:21] <rww> i has a PM
[01:21] <maco> Jordan_U: tell that to ubottu
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> maco: but we want to be linux, not unix!
[01:22] <maco> ok mine's in
[01:22] <Pici> related: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47570404@N08/4352322441/
[01:22] <persia> Let's not get into discussions of preferred technology, or somebody will mention joe.
[01:23] <rww> the editor?
[01:23] <Pici> ed's friend.
[01:24] <h00k> I hear he has vi
[01:24] <Jordan_U> Obligatory: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
[01:28] <maco> rww: your turn to add a comment?
[01:28] <maco> rww: or is he still going?
[01:28] <rww> my log is too long and too hilarious to be added.
[01:28] <maco> hilarious sounds like reason *to* add...
[01:28] <h00k> I think anyone reviewing the log will get the message ;)
[01:29] <Pici> Yah
[01:31] <Pici> oh,.
[01:36] <maco> !hacking
[01:37] <maco> !learn2hack
[01:37] <maco> can i make an alias for !learn2hack for:     If you would like to learn to hack, please follow the HowTo set forth by Eric S Raymond at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[01:38] <maco> its about /actual/ /legal/ hacking
[01:38] <maco> like...being an excellent programmer
[01:38] <bazhang> thats not what he wanted, and prolongs the offtopic follow on commentary
[01:38] <maco> but maybe gets them to go away and read for an hour or so
[01:38] <maco> do script kiddies know how to read?
[01:38] <bazhang> unlikely in the extreme
[01:39] <h00k> maco: yeah, this line:  /////COPY EVERYTHING BELOW HERE
[01:39] <maco> hahaha
[01:39] <rww> maco: 0|\|1'/ !|\| 1337
[01:40] <maco> rww: the hell does THAT say?
[01:40] <maco> oh i see
[01:40] <maco> only in leet
[01:41]  * persia always thought hackers delighted in using their intimate understanding of internal workings to fiddle about and change things.
[01:43] <persia> (hacker: one who hacks -> to hack: to perform activities resulting in a hack -> a hack: some way of interpreting or presenting rules to accomplish an unexpectedly elegant result (e.g. implementing /usr/bin/true as "#! /bin/sh\n")
[01:47] <bazhang> except in #ubuntu
[01:48] <bazhang> look at his last line before exit: "I know it's illegal!"
[01:48]  * h00k facepalms
[01:49] <bazhang> the point being, people who know the distinction don't ask about it
[01:50] <h00k> rule 1 and 2.
[01:51] <h00k> or something
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> Whoa.  See @joey's identi.ca :(
[01:53] <h00k> :o
[01:54] <h00k> I really try to have hope for humanity.
[01:54] <maco> um who is joey?
[01:54] <h00k> some dude
[01:55] <maco> O_O
[01:55] <maco> i cant say what im thinking in this channel
[01:55] <maco> itd violate !language
[01:58] <tonyyarusso> maco: Joey Stanford
[01:58] <maco> tonyyarusso: figured that out by now, having clicked the link and gotten far enough to O_O
[01:59] <maco> erm, typed in the url
[01:59] <maco> same diff
[02:00]  * tonyyarusso rages
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> maco: 5 & 7 and 12 & 14 have the same difference!
[02:00]  * rww giggles at PM window
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> rww: There's *more*!
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> ?
[02:01] <rww> tonyyarusso: We're having a delightful conversation about my army of bats
[02:01] <maco> hahaha
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> nice
[02:02] <rww> And in case anyone else has been getting PMs with quotes in them, I don't tend to use emoticons awkwardly in the middle of sentences.
[02:04] <persia> Aww:(wwww
[02:08] <KB1JWQ> rww: I do!
[02:10] <maco> oh more
[02:11] <h00k> he came back.
[02:11] <rww> 02:10:47 <ray24> #ubuntu-ray
[02:11] <h00k> er.
[02:12] <rww> although it appears they don't know how to chanserv, so *shrug*
[02:12] <h00k> I'm getting the /queries from that person again
[02:12]  * tonyyarusso dons pie-in-the-sky hat
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> Freenode GMS will prevent creation of such channels!
[02:12]  * tonyyarusso returns to reality
[02:14] <h00k> another short round of completely original insults
[02:14] <rww> Just remember, every minute they spend being witty and creative in PM is another minute they're not figuring out how to get into #ubuntu.
[02:15] <h00k> yeah...I considered replying for an attempt to delay any ban-evading attempts
[02:16] <persia> We need better chatbot plugins for clients to have these drawn-out discussions for us.  Automation for the win.
[02:19] <rww> ooo, that's a good idea actually
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> There's a decent supybot one
[02:21] <rww> http://scripts.irssi.org/html/eliza.pl.html :D
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> eliza is ollllllllld
[02:23] <nhandler> Pici: re: The staff factoid, I don't think it is a big deal either way. If you just want to make us aware of something, a simple PM might be more effective, but there is nothing wrong with hilighting us via the factoid.
[02:23] <persia> But perhaps exhaustingly patient when responding to insults, especially when seeded occasionally by human input to indicate it's not entirely a bot (although I'm unsure of freenode policy wrt cyborgs)
[02:25] <gpc> did you know you could change the topic in channels that are not +t even without @
[02:25] <rww> Yes. Yes I do know.
[02:26] <gpc> even though it is trollish. I admit to partaking in the fun once
[02:26] <gpc> :)
[02:27] <rww> time to take that script and adapt it to respond if $nick PMs me
[02:28] <rww> oh. requires Chatbot::Eliza. isn't packaged, way too lazy to install manually.
[02:30] <persia> It's in your local hardy mirror, if you want.
[02:30] <nhandler> persia: I have a feeling cyborgs would fall under the bot policy. Basically, they are fine if you have permission to have them in the channel.
[02:31] <persia> nhandler, makes sense, and probably also falls under some don't-ask-don't-tell model, as it might be hard to determine the level of automation without investigation into the client configuration.
[02:31] <rww> I have a feeling that autobleh makes me less than 100% human.
[02:31] <persia> Indeed it does.
[02:32] <Pici> nhandler: roger that.
[02:33] <rww> psh, they deleted chatbot-eliza for being "unpopular, unmaintained, lame"
[02:33] <rww> heretics
[02:36] <elky> in other words, someone's pride got hurt.
[02:36] <nhandler> rww: Yeah, all packages in Debian need a maintainer. If you poke me, I could probably get it re-uploaded through the pkg-perl team ;)
[02:36] <persia> unpopular is a poor reason.  unmaintained is something you could volunteer to fix, if you liked.  lame is subjective.
[02:37] <elky> lame is probably the most telling
[02:42] <KB1JWQ> I do like that sdate is still there.
[02:43] <rww> I like that ddate is installed by default.
[02:43] <rww> (Today is Setting Orange, the 35th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3177)
[02:44] <elky> heh
[02:44] <jrib> wth is ddate
[02:45] <rww> it outputs the current Discordian date
[02:45] <jrib> ah
[02:45] <rww> ( http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/41.php )
[02:47]  * rww giggles at #freenode
[02:48] <rww> which of you is still PMing him? I stopped 25 minutes ago :\
[02:48] <maco> im not
[02:49] <h00k> I'm not
[02:49] <h00k> I haven't respondd at all
[03:18] <KB1JWQ> I also like the sl package.
[03:18] <maco> ditto
[03:30] <rww> pwnt
[03:31] <h00k> yes
[03:41] <KB1JWQ> I've been shockingly helpful today in #ubuntu.  The downside to that is there are entirely too many people who don't know how to properly ask a question.
[03:43] <gpc> welcome to irc
[03:44] <persia> If only the phenomenon described was limited to IRC :(
[03:45] <h00k> persia: what mean you things people real do life think?
[03:45] <rww> h00k: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
[03:46] <h00k> rww: That's what it is! Yes.
[03:46] <persia> h00k, Conventionally, the activity of the individual, when seeking to achieve some goal, especially one dearly required, especially important ones, please?
[03:47] <h00k> persia: still no verb!
[03:48] <persia> "please" is a verb: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/please
[03:48] <persia> I think you mean "No independent clause!!"
[03:48] <highvoltage> please please me
[03:49] <persia> That's definitely the model of the very best of pleas
[03:49] <h00k> Not used there, it wasn't, one could argue! Anyway, yes, no independent clause.
[03:49] <highvoltage> it's from The Beatles
[03:55] <KB1JWQ> cobra42_ is likely to become a problem, FYI.
[03:57]  * h00k hops over
[03:57] <bazhang> cobra2_ ?
[03:57] <KB1JWQ> Er, yes.
[04:20] <KB1JWQ> And there he is giving sudo rm -rf advice.
[04:21] <KB1JWQ> gpc: Depressing that I called it.
[04:21] <bazhang> got him in PM
[04:26] <KB1JWQ> bazhang: Anything of substance?
[04:27] <h00k> ubuntu.com is down
[04:27] <bazhang> KB1JWQ, trying to get him to read the code of conduct and guidelines currently
[04:28] <KB1JWQ> 20:27:34 [freenode] [~cobra2_(~someone@174.124.232.204 )] unmute me in ##ubuntu
[04:28] <KB1JWQ> 20:27:46 [freenode] [~cobra2_(~someone@174.124.232.204 )] be4 spam
[04:28] <KB1JWQ> In my PM.
[04:32] <elky> It's moments like that which I really really want a RT instance for the irc team
[04:33] <elky> It'd also make it easier for people to ask for cloaks, etc.
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> elky: So we to can deal with problems 2 years after they occur?
[04:33] <elky> tonyyarusso, well as it is, we're not dealing with non-urgent issues that nobody reads 12hrs of scrollback to find.
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> It's true
[04:33] <rww> I read every line in -ops.
[04:33] <rww> Have done for months.
[04:33]  * tonyyarusso is trying to set up Trac at work, failing at the authentication stuff :(
[04:34] <rww> My head is /so full of useless crap/ now.
[04:34] <elky> That is, factoid suggestions/edits, cloaks, non-urgent channel maintenance.
[04:34] <elky> It'd be *awesome* to be able to mark stuff done off.
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> Why use something other than Launchpad though?
[04:34] <persia> Any reason not to use an LP project for that?
[04:34] <elky> tonyyarusso, like rt, which the sysadmins use?
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> persia: Too slow!
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> elky: right
[04:35] <rww> too user unfriendly
[04:35] <h00k> synical appears to be a bot in #ubuntu, responded to !uptime,not sure who it belongs to
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> RT is kinda clunky, and Yet Another Account
[04:35] <KB1JWQ> I've gotten trac working for jquery.com, let me know if you need a hand, tonyyarusso.
[04:35] <bazhang> he's been asked to turn off that script before h00k
[04:35] <elky> rww, it's too user-unfriendly to email rt@whereverwesetitup.com?
[04:35] <persia> RT is mostly interesting if you want queue management, which I doubt there is a need to handle for the volume of requests.
[04:35] <rww> elky: i meant LP
[04:35] <h00k> bazhang: do you know who it belongs to?
[04:35] <elky> rww, ohgodsyes
[04:36] <persia> elky, RT admin is a bit more overhead.
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> KB1JWQ: Will do.  My hangup has been getting the form-based database auth and user registration going, as opposed to the default Apache auth and manual user definitions.
[04:36] <KB1JWQ> Rather than RT I'd probably suggest JIRA.  Free for open source projects even. :-p
[04:36] <h00k> bazhang: or is it synical's client
[04:36] <elky> persia, so if we had a lp project for "irc request queue" or whatever, what would we tell people to email to to start a ticket?
[04:36] <bazhang> h00k, a script I think, check his host
[04:37] <h00k> yeah...
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> elky: If people e-mail to start a ticket, they'll expect someone to e-mail them back :(
[04:37] <elky> tonyyarusso, the closing off of the ticket would send the email automatically
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> elky: but not *right away*
[04:37] <persia> elky, new@bugs.launchpad.net, but it's not lovely: see https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[04:37] <h00k> bazhang: isn't responding to queries
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> If we wait four days to deal with their cloak they'll be all "HELLO?  DOES ANYBODY READ THIS MAILBOX?"
[04:38] <elky> tonyyarusso, you can configure automatically reply with "it's in our queue we won't lose it here like we will in irc."
[04:38] <elky> or whatevs
[04:38] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, synical is just sitting there with that script going. Irritating to be sure.
[04:38] <bazhang> synical, hi
[04:39] <rww> We don't lose cloak requests, though. There are awesome people in #ubuntu-irc that throw rocks at IRCC until they appear ;P
[04:39] <h00k> synical: I had you forwarded you here because your script is enabled in #ubuntu.
[04:39]  * rww still thinks a ticket system would be nice, though
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> elky: People should be used to submitting things on Launchpad for Ubuntu anyway - I don't see why and e-mail interface is important or useful for this.
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> rww: agreed on that much
[04:40] <elky> tonyyarusso, because people disconnect from irc occasionally.
[04:40] <elky> normal people. not people like you.
[04:40] <h00k> they do??
[04:40] <rww> h00k: yeah. Linode goes down sometimes.
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> elky: Huh?  What does that have to do with anything?
[04:41] <elky> tonyyarusso, lots. I don't have to have a list by my computer of people who i have to look out for to tell something I did last week
[04:41] <h00k> I have a feeling synical is afk and is going to sit here for a while.
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> elky: ...
[04:41] <rww> elky: tonyyarusso's suggesting using LP as a ticketing system, not not using a ticketing system or just using IRC.
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> elky: We're discussing web interface vs. e-mail interface.  We agree on the usefulness of a ticketing system.  See above.
[04:41] <bazhang> h00k, he's never been responsive to PM over the past few weeks
[04:42] <h00k> fantastic.
[04:42] <elky> tonyyarusso, ah got confused. either way, launchpad *is* confusing. unless you want "i want a cloak" raised as a bug against "ubuntu"
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> elky: bug against "ubuntu-irc-stuffs", or something similar.
[04:42] <elky> an email to rt@ubottu.com or something would be less losable
[04:42] <h00k> do...um..we want to remove synical from here for the time bein, the?
[04:43] <h00k> then, rather.
[04:43] <elky> tonyyarusso, launchpad then gets to try talk them out of raising a bug, and asking things they don't need
[04:43] <gpc> Why can't some one on each RMB be given auth to request a cloak be applied?
[04:44] <elky> gpc, because we can't have that many GCs and still have the ircc with any?
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> elky: if you must you could easily implement a mail handler that would take their e-mail, shift things around and add fields to fit the launchpad new bugs e-mail format, and forward it along.
[04:44] <elky> tonyyarusso, thanks for volunteering.
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> :P
[04:44]  * tonyyarusso probably could, hrm
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> Although a simplified web form would be even easier.
[04:45] <elky> i'm sure the sysadmin team would love their sysadmin rt's moved to launchpad too.
[04:45] <persia> gpc, There's several other non-RMB groups that can grant membership.
[04:45] <persia> elky, I know of a request to do that, but it's blocked on LP not supporting multiple queues in any sane way.
[04:45] <gpc> ok so, what is the problem with adding a few other people to do it.
[04:46] <gpc> 1- membership approved 2- add to proper team in launchpad 3- ask staff to apply cloak.
[04:46] <rww> there's no reason to. cloak processing is not bottlenecked by there not being enough GCs.
[04:46] <rww> not significantly, anyway
[04:46] <h00k> Can someone remove synical until they're ready to come back and discuss their bot in #ubuntu?
[04:47] <h00k> woo!
[04:47] <h00k> thanks.
[04:47] <elky> erm. that should probably have had a message. you might want to pm him to that regard.
[04:48] <h00k> will do
[04:48] <bazhang> * You have been invited to #KB1JWQtheLier by unmute_me`
[04:48] <KB1JWQ> bazhang: It gets better.
[04:48] <bazhang> should I join?
[04:48] <KB1JWQ> Apparently the last time I talked to him I "offered to make him freenode staff."
[04:49] <KB1JWQ> I didn't.
[04:49] <h00k> oh, nice.
[04:49] <h00k> CAN I HAZ STAFF
[04:49] <KB1JWQ> I forsee no problems with making him staff, does anyone else? :-p
[04:49] <bazhang> thats cobra2_ I'd guess
[04:49] <KB1JWQ> Indeed.
[04:49] <bazhang> hehe ...no!
[04:50] <KB1JWQ> "You there!  You're a colossal pain in major channels, so do you mind if I unilaterally induct you into network staff?"
[04:51] <persia> sometimes it works.  Responsibility does strange things to people.  Mind you, it's only recommended in cases where the other options are equally stark.
[04:52] <rww> Responsibility does very strange things to people. Just look at funkyHat.
[04:53] <bazhang> absconded
[04:54] <elky> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-02-03/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DilbertDailyStrip+(Dilbert+Daily+Strip)
[04:54] <rww> s/\?.*$// ;P
[04:55] <rww> also, this explains a lot.
[05:29] <bazhang> * You have been invited to #fffk by cobra2_   still no response via PM after the initial abrasive commentary
[05:33] <gpc> ExplodingPiglets needs a cool down period
[05:34] <bazhang> I've alerted freenode staff, he's doing in several channels on the network
[05:43] <gpc> hate doing that in there but sometimes it's the only way
[05:47] <Flannel> rww: Hour? or what?
[05:47] <rww> until he gets bored and goes to bed
[06:53] <Flannel> gpc: Taking care of it
[06:53] <bazhang> * [culb] (freebsd@mindboggle.us): culb   is a bot?
[06:53] <gpc> responds to google
[06:53] <gpc> err !google
[06:53]  * Flannel sighs.
[06:53] <gpc> quieted for now
[06:54] <gpc> will msg and ask to turn it off
[06:59] <bazhang> * [Guest74074] (~nexus@host86-154-125-176.range86-154.btcentralplus.com): nexus   ban forward?
[06:59] <gpc> no response from culb, told them to either come here or send me a PM when they have disabled the script.
[06:59] <gpc> bazhang: yes, I would.
[07:00] <gpc> as for culb I'm going to leave the +q for now.
[07:00] <Flannel> gpc: Suggest a ban instead of a quiet (banforward even).  Quiets aren't apparent.  If he misses your query, he'll never know he's quieted.
[07:00] <gpc> Flannel: ok will set a forward
[07:04] <gpc> keep an eye open for r007
[07:05] <bazhang> was that guest r007 ?
[07:05] <gpc> don't think so
[07:07] <Flannel> Looks like it.
[07:07] <gpc> but he was giving suspect advice yesterday
[07:07] <Flannel> 22:57 -!- Guest74074 [~nexus@host86-154-125-176.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[07:07] <Flannel> 23:01 -!- r007 [~r007@host86-154-125-176.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu
[07:07] <bazhang> okay. searching in bt under 86-154 brings them both up
[07:07] <gpc> I didn't really look
[07:07] <Flannel> Would explain the chip on his shoulder
[07:08] <bazhang> then he immediately joined as r007 thereafter
[07:09] <bazhang> whoa, just prior
[07:37] <gpc> so if it takes two years to break a password he is not going to worry about it?
[08:16] <bazhang> like herding cats today :/
[09:16] <Tm_T> jayne: that annoying guy now in #freenode... he's there only for causing disruption
[09:16]  * Tm_T waves to all the log readers out there
[11:32] <AbhijiT> is there anyone handling ubuntu free cd to whome i can talk about a thing?
[11:32] <AbhijiT> or email?
[11:33] <jpds> AbhijiT: shipit.ubuntu.com?
[11:33] <AbhijiT> yeah
[11:33] <AbhijiT> but jpds actually thing is i need to talk about how much should i order in bulk? so that it get approved? i am giving seminar in front of frends and teachers
[11:33] <AbhijiT> they all are from computer field.
[11:34] <jpds> You would have to talk to your local community team.
[11:34] <AbhijiT> okay
[11:35] <AbhijiT> i wil talk to ubuntu india then.
[11:35] <AbhijiT> thanks jpds
[11:35] <AbhijiT> bye
[13:03] <Pici> its 42!
[13:22] <jpds> Pici: It's*
[13:22] <Pici> I always mess that up.
[13:23] <ikonia> be thankful gord or rww is not awake to punish grammar
[13:24] <Pici> Now that you've pinged them they might be.
[13:24] <gord> i would never punish grammar =\
[13:26] <jpds> Pici: You should learn Russian.
[13:27] <jpds> Pici: They just say: "It 42" - so awesome.
[13:28] <persia> Having a special verb to indicate predicates is for unevolved languages :)
[14:33] <Pici> meh
[15:05]  * genii-around makes a pot of coffee
[15:09] <bazhang> Bipul`, hi
[15:09] <ikonia> hello Jungli
[15:09] <Bipul`> ikonia,  i am not jungli i am Bipul`
[15:09] <Bipul`> i think you have to google this word "jungli"
[15:09] <ikonia> interesting, you switched user in #ubuntu-in from Blockcold the other day, while wearing a cloak
[15:10] <Bipul`> what ?
[15:10] <Bipul`> bazhang,  hi
[15:10] <Bipul`> i am not Blockcold
[15:10] <ikonia> Bipul`: you joined #ubuntu-in the other day as the cloakded user, switched user to bigpul` and then said "hi ikonia"
[15:11] <jpds> Hmm.
[15:11] <Bipul`> i dont know what you saying but one statment i understand that that i have said you hi
[15:11] <Bipul`> yes i do said that
[15:13] <Bipul`> ikonia,  May i know the valid reasone ?
[15:13] <ikonia> Bipul`: the reason I've just said
[15:13] <Bipul`> what ?
 Bipul`: you joined #ubuntu-in the other day as the cloakded user, switched user to bigpul` and then said "hi ikonia"<-- this is the reasone ? guys any one can understand this then please make me understood
[15:13] <ikonia> you joined #ubuntu-in using a known nickname for the user "jungli" changed nicknames to bipul` and said "hi ikonia"
[15:14] <ikonia> you're ident also is a variation of what the user jungli uses
[15:14]  * jpds understands it.
[15:14] <Bipul`> jungli means forest man
[15:14] <ikonia> you also knew to join this channel when I banned you from #ubuntu-ops
[15:14] <Bipul`> and this language is widely used as a name
[15:15] <Bipul`> ikonia,  my freind told me to join this channel
[15:15] <Bipul`> and ask the reasone behind it
[15:15] <ikonia> who told you that ?
[15:16] <Bipul`> ubuntu-in users
[15:16] <Bipul`> told me when i told about this incident
[15:16] <ikonia> where ?
[15:16] <ikonia> who
[15:17] <ikonia> who ?
[15:17] <Bipul`> who means what  i just told this incident in ubuntu-in
[15:17] <ikonia> who told you
[15:17] <ikonia> I'm in #ubuntu-in and no-one told you to join
[15:17] <ikonia> so who told you to join
[15:18] <ikonia> Bipul`: please come back when you are in a position to answer the questions

[15:19] <Bipul`> shadelayer told me
[15:20] <shadeslayer> \o
[15:20] <ikonia> shadeslayer, thank you for joining, did you tell Bipul` to join #ubuntu-ops ?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:21] <ikonia> ok, apologies for asking you to join to clarify that, I just wanted it logged on record
[15:21] <shadeslayer> i told him to talk to you :)
[15:21] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you're of course welcome to leave and I apologise for taking up your time
[15:21] <shadeslayer> righto
[15:21] <shadeslayer> ikonia: sure .. no problem :)
[15:21] <shadeslayer> cya guys :)
[15:21] <ikonia> thanks
[15:21] <Bipul`> ?
[15:21] <ikonia> shadeslayer did not ask you to join this channel
[15:22] <Bipul`> abhijit
[15:22] <ikonia> actually, I'm not wasting any more time with this
[15:22] <Bipul`> just call this nick here
[15:22] <Bipul`> AbhijiT> Bipul`, contact #ubuntu-ops
[15:22] <ikonia> I saw you swap nicks from blockcold the other day and say my name, and it was reported to freenode, they know the situation, I'll follow this up with freenode
[15:23] <Bipul`> ikonia,  listen man when i said i am not the "i am not"
[15:23] <ikonia> I don't believe you so I'm going to leave that there.
[15:23] <Bipul`> now do what ever you want i don't caer
[15:23] <Bipul`> bye
[15:26] <bazhang> bushman is not following the forums thread for his issue that has been provided to him by Gnea and I
[15:26] <ikonia> I know
[15:26] <ikonia> I don't think he's being honest
[15:27] <bazhang> there are at least two suggested fixes in that thread
[15:27] <ikonia> is it actually known problem with this device ?
[15:30] <bazhang> seems that just checking/unchecking the bluetooth support checkbox does it
[15:30] <ikonia> it can't be that simple ?
[15:31] <bazhang> but he has not run any of that, nor done any of the suggested commands. it's worked since at least hardy
[15:38] <ikonia> freenode are checking on bipul` and jungli's multiple cloak stuff as that's not allowed
[15:40] <Tm_T> thanks
[16:04] <bazhang> have them both in PM
[16:04] <Pici> hm?
[16:04] <bazhang> gnea / bushman
[16:04] <Pici> ah
[16:05] <bazhang> he was targeting ikonia earlier, now gnea
[16:07] <Pici> thanks idoru
[16:07] <mneptok> sex and sex and sex and sex and LOOKIT ME! I BEEN SHATTERED!
[16:08] <mneptok> sha-dooby
[16:08] <Pici> :D
[16:09] <bazhang> well they're both ignoring my advice to stop responding to one another
[16:27] <bazhang> * [Compositor] (~timmyt@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net): Apples Oranges Kiwi   seems to be hoober etal
[16:28] <Pici> bazhang, maco: thanks
[16:28] <bazhang> Pici, it was maco who spotted
[16:29] <bazhang> he asking for a cloak recently as well
[16:31] <rww> It makes me happy that he appears to only have access to a small number of hostnames.
[16:32] <Pici> shhh ;)
[16:41] <bazhang> nogo seems to be going ot in +1
[16:41] <bazhang> ie user guest from earlier
[16:42] <Pici> ugh, hes in #ubuntu-release too.. /me watches
[16:47] <Bipul`> ikonia, can i pm you ?
[16:48] <ikonia> 1 moment
[16:48] <Bipul`> ok
[16:52] <Bipul`> ikonia, ?
[16:57] <ikonia> 1 moment please
[16:57] <Bipul`> ok
[16:58] <ikonia> ok, I'm free now, I was just on the phone
[17:00] <Bipul`> well but i am not jungli :|
[17:00] <ikonia> ok. I may be wrong, but I disagree.
[17:00] <Bipul`> it's just a  nick and also i have mine ssh account with name jungli s0 some time i login irc via my ssh account
[17:01] <Bipul`> the word jungli means "Forest man" mogli
[17:01] <ikonia> ok, but that doesn't change anything
[17:01] <Bipul`> it's a popular nick
[17:01] <Bipul`> yes but what i did?
[17:02] <Bipul`> and i do remember i saw you in ubuntu-in
[17:02] <Bipul`> and i said hellow to you
[17:02] <ikonia> again, that doesn't change anything
[17:02] <Bipul`> no but what i did?
[17:03] <ikonia> Bipul`: I believe you are the user "jungli" who is a known problem user in ubuntu, I have put a ban on you in #ubuntu at this time
[17:03] <Bipul`> it's really important channel (ubuntu) for me and you have banned me
[17:04] <Bipul`> i am making a module for familiar with linux and i get most of help from  #ubuntu
[17:04] <Bipul`> for mine college
[17:04] <ikonia> I'm sorry about that, if any of the others feel I am likley wrong, they can remove the ban and I offer my sincere apologies to you, but based on the information I have I believe you are jungli
[17:04] <Bipul`> ikonia,  but i am not !
[17:04] <Bipul`> I AM NOT JUNGLI jungli is just a nick
[17:04] <ikonia> ok, I disagree on that,
[17:05] <bazhang> yeah thats really offensive
[17:05] <bazhang> bobmarley
[17:05] <ikonia> he's gone
[17:05] <Bipul`> ikonia,  i have helped many peoples
[17:05] <Bipul`> in ubuntu channels
[17:05] <ikonia> that doesn't change anything.
[17:05] <ikonia> I have asked freenode to also look into this
[17:06] <ikonia> if they come back with an opinion that you are not the same user, then again, I offer my sincere apologies, but I have to trust the information I have
[17:06] <Bipul`> ikonia,  yes most welcome
[17:06] <Bipul`> if you have the logs just go through that
[17:06] <ikonia> that proves nothing
[17:06] <Bipul`> ok fine then you must ask to freenode
[17:06] <Bipul`> as this channel #ubuntu is really important for me
[17:07] <Bipul`> no i will wait for the freenode report
[17:07] <Bipul`> you take you time
[17:07] <Tm_T> Bipul`: you have used the nick "Vipul" too, right?
[17:07] <Bipul`> yes
[17:07] <Bipul`> i use this nick vipul
[17:07] <Tm_T> roger, just checking
[17:12] <ikonia> Bipul`: ok, I'll take a gamble, I'll remove the ban in #ubuntu
[17:13] <ikonia> Bipul`: I have removed the ban in #ubuntu
 bazhang, where is for complaints?
[17:14] <ikonia> direct him in
[17:14] <Bipul`> ikonia,  no but you 1st clear you doubt
[17:14] <ikonia> I have to put faith in your intentions
[17:15] <ikonia> Bipul`: I can't, that's the issue,
[17:15] <Bipul`> if this nick really harms the ubuntu community  then you must ask the report of freenode ops
[17:15] <ikonia> I have already done that, but that will take time to resolve, so I can either have faith in you and remove the ban, as I have done, or leave you banned
[17:15] <smallfoot> hi im here cuz bazhang has asked me to come here by special invitation
[17:16] <ikonia> smallfoot: you asked where to make a complaint ?
[17:16] <smallfoot> i have ubuntu 10.10 maverick
[17:16] <smallfoot> yes
[17:16] <smallfoot> i would like copmlain
[17:16] <bazhang> smallfoot, you need not complain in #ubuntu
[17:16] <smallfoot> oh
[17:16] <ikonia> oh, wait
[17:16] <ikonia> is this a complaint about ubuntu ?
[17:16] <smallfoot> yes
[17:16] <ikonia> or the ubuntu channel
[17:16] <smallfoot> the ubuntu
[17:16] <ikonia> smallfoot: ok, well there is no complaints channel for the OS, it's a free community project
[17:16] <smallfoot> i have 10.10 and im upset that i must have 2.6.35 kernel
[17:16] <smallfoot> i want have 2.6.37
[17:16] <bazhang> he's done this before as well though
[17:16] <ikonia> smallfoot: you can log bugs or feature requests on launchpad.net
[17:17] <ikonia> smallfoot: sorry, launchpad.net is the website you need to log a bug or feature request
[17:17] <smallfoot> yeah so if i post on launchpad that i want 2.6.37, someone will give it?
[17:17] <ikonia> smallfoot: no, but it becomes an option that someone may chose to work on
[17:17] <smallfoot> well then linus puts out 2.6.38
[17:17] <Bipul`> ikonia,  thanks alot
[17:17] <smallfoot> and what i must do? tell everyone again to put 2.6.38 on my computer
[17:17] <ikonia> Bipul`: ok
[17:18] <Bipul`> :)
[17:18] <smallfoot> this is always same thing!!
[17:18] <ikonia> smallfoot: no, you don't update the kernels as they come out
[17:18] <smallfoot> always i must wait, wait, wait and have old boring crap technology from leacy old
[17:18] <ikonia> smallfoot: either way, this isn't a support channel,
[17:18] <smallfoot> i can never ever have new stuff
[17:18] <popey> you can
[17:18] <smallfoot> why i must have old stuff? give me new stuff!
[17:18] <popey> i just told you how in #ubuntu
[17:18] <ikonia> smallfoot: launchpad.net is the place to log feature requests
[17:20] <ikonia> bazhang: apologies, I missunderstood what was meant by complaint
[17:21] <ikonia> Bipul`: if you're ok now, you can leave this channel
[17:21] <jpds> smallfoot: why exactly do you want .38?
[17:21] <bazhang> ikonia, well he always does this, best to get it done in here
[17:21] <Bipul`> ikonia,  yes :)
[17:21] <Bipul`> bye
[17:22] <smallfoot> jpds, cuz it has faster performance!!
[17:22] <smallfoot> it has integrated desktop responsive performance
[17:22] <ikonia> smallfoot: you've been told how to log a feature request,
[17:23] <ikonia> so unless you need something more from the operator time, you're welcome to leave this channel and go back to your irc day
[17:24] <smallfoot> ok
[17:24] <smallfoot> you only want trick me to make launchpad post
[17:24] <smallfoot> then they will ignore it
[17:24] <jpds> Potentially.
[17:24] <ikonia> then we can't help any more
[17:24] <smallfoot> like if anyone will listen to me on launchpad and make 2.6.37 on maverick for me?
[17:24] <ikonia> smallfoot: we are not a support channel
[17:24] <smallfoot> they will put on NEW then CLOSED
[17:24] <ikonia> there isn't much point discussing this more
[17:24] <smallfoot> ok
[17:24] <Tm_T> smallfoot: they will listen you there more than here
[17:24] <smallfoot> okbye
[17:24] <jpds> But if you want the latest features and bleeding edge stuff, you have to run the dev release.
[17:25] <ikonia> he just wants version numbers
[17:25] <bazhang> he's been banned multiple times for that
[17:25] <ikonia> oh really, I didn't check BT
[17:25] <bazhang> smallfoot-
[17:25] <jpds> I like the route he's taking with jrib.
[17:27] <ikonia> if he knows what he's doing is wrong, then end it
[17:29] <jrib> aww
[17:29] <jrib> oh well have to go anyway
[17:30] <bazhang> bobmarley promised to stop using the hindi curses / abuse in #ubuntu via PM
[17:30] <ikonia> great
[17:30] <bazhang> ie I was in PM with him
[17:30] <mneptok> lively up yourself.
[17:32] <KB1JWQ> My day helping out in #ubuntu yesterday inspired me to pick up my (untouched for 8 months) netbook and upgrade the version of Lucid instsalled on it.
[17:32] <KB1JWQ> ..at which point it proceeded to eat itself.
[17:32] <jrib> feature
[17:33] <KB1JWQ> I figured as much. :-)
[17:33] <KB1JWQ> "Keep Linux in the datacenter where it belongs" is the subtext from that discussion. :-p
[17:37] <Tm_T> FYI: I might be unavailable due to power outages so don't count on me (;
[17:37] <h00k> I'm on hold and the coffee is way over there *points*
[17:40] <jono> can someone please +m #ubuntu-meeting
[17:41] <pleia2> additionally, would it be possible to get the ubuntu member cloak added to the access list there?
[17:41] <Tm_T> pleia2: +1 (x10)
[17:42] <bazhang> popey, has access there
[17:43] <jono> is there no op who can fix this now?
[17:44] <ikonia> maybe it should fall under the core channels
[17:44] <ikonia> not got ops in there any more, I had it at the last but one UDS
[17:45] <Tm_T> KB1JWQ: you up?
[17:46] <ikonia> mquin: is around
[17:46] <ikonia> just pinged
[17:46] <Tm_T> rogery
[17:47] <KB1JWQ> Howdy.
[17:47] <KB1JWQ> What did we need done?
[17:48] <h00k> +m in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:48] <h00k> KB1JWQ: ^
[17:49] <h00k> Thanks, KB1JWQ
[17:49] <pleia2> we moved to -classroom
[17:49] <pleia2> no need now
[17:49] <bazhang> hehe
[17:49] <KB1JWQ> Want anyone opped?
[17:50] <pleia2> KB1JWQ: the chat moved to -classroom, -meeting doesn't need to be moderated anymore
[17:50] <KB1JWQ> Okay, sorted. :-)
[17:50] <pleia2> it would be nice if we could get the ubutu member cloak added to the access list in -meeting though (I can formally send an email to the IRCC if required)
[17:50] <KB1JWQ> What's the chat on?
[17:50] <ikonia> no
[17:51] <KB1JWQ> pleia2: Probably best to go about it that way.
[17:51] <ikonia> the ubuntu/member cloak should not be added to any access list
[17:51] <pleia2> KB1JWQ: thanks, will do
[17:51] <ikonia> it's persistantly abused
[17:51] <KB1JWQ> (And this is why!)
[17:51] <ikonia> hence why it was removed
[17:51] <pleia2> oh :\
[17:51] <pleia2> it works great in -classroom
[17:52] <KB1JWQ> Should probably get some folks added to the ACL so y'all can handle such things going forward.
[17:52] <KB1JWQ> I don't mind doing it any, but there are times when we're busy / not around.
[17:52]  * pleia2 nods
[17:52] <KB1JWQ> (+m'ing places, specifically)
[17:54] <h00k> #ubuntu-meeting appears to be a mess :(
[17:56] <KB1JWQ> It does.
[19:06] <genii-around> Bleh. Work has me running around and these guys keep recommending to a user in #k to do sudo su
[19:11] <bazhang> well hes just being obtuse at this point
[19:20] <bazhang> he's trolling at this point
[19:20] <bazhang> kde is more compatible with hardware
[19:20] <ikonia> no more of this
[19:23] <KB1JWQ> Idle curiosity, what's wrong with sudo su?
[19:23] <KB1JWQ> It's about on par with sudo bash.
[19:23] <bazhang> sudo -i for root shell
[19:23] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: messes up the env
[19:23] <KB1JWQ> Well sudo su - solves that issue.
[19:23] <KB1JWQ> bazhang: Didn't know that one offhand.
[19:23] <ikonia> yes, that would populate the env properly
[19:24] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: it also writes stuff to /root
[19:29] <bazhang> hes still at it
[19:32] <ikonia> not for long
[19:32] <bazhang> dat <tab> :)
[19:47] <bazhang>  cakeIRC (~timmyt@unaffiliated/cakeirc)  hoober is now cloaked
[19:48] <genii-around> I don't think #k-u has had such lively discussion as now for a long time :)
[19:49] <KB1JWQ> Ah, he requested the cloak to evade, bazhang?
[19:49] <gpc> yes
[19:49] <Flannel> Eh, it's easy to ban the cloak
[19:49] <bazhang> KB1JWQ, already got a ban in place so no worries
[19:50] <KB1JWQ> I can decloak if that's easier.
[19:50] <bazhang> perhaps he will be a better citizen with it
[19:55] <KB1JWQ> Why was he actually banned in the first place?
[19:56] <KB1JWQ> I'm not clear on that. :-)
[19:56] <ikonia> do you want th elist
[19:56] <ikonia> the list
[19:56] <KB1JWQ> Hilights maybe? :-)
[19:56] <bazhang> nearly 40 nicks ban evasion on multiples of them
[19:56] <ikonia> constant ranting and tolling, abusive, language, attitude
[19:56] <gpc> hoober, goober, orangecard, OzoneScaredyMan, LesBooter, peronni, circlecrossdev, tartarfoofas, MorganMuffler, cromblight, IKnowWhoIAm, cromblight_, FeetAndCloth, vimber, DrummerBoy38, OzoneScaredyPant, foober, OzoneScaredyMan_, Roobet, brown_boar, TurmptTarp, Callico10, TuskRattle, bearblack_,  Shoasdf,  silvercrab,  circlecrossdev,  DrummerBoy38,  foober,  cromblight,  prosper005,  tartarfoofas, cakeIRC
[19:56] <gpc> that is all the ones I have
[19:56] <bazhang> but hopefully with something to lose he'll reform
[20:00] <maco> gpc: Compositor was added to the list today
[20:00] <gpc> heh
[20:00] <gpc> thank you
[20:00] <maco> gpc: you have cromblight twice
[20:00] <gpc> yeah I saw that
[20:01] <gpc> thought I was going to shorten the list by removing cromblight instead I added two more
[20:04] <tonyyarusso> What kind of megafail by staff allowed him to get a cloak?
[20:05] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: errr, they should be following our pet trolls as closely as we do?
[20:05] <tonyyarusso> Presumabely he's probably trolling other places to at this rate.
[20:05] <bazhang> not really
[20:05] <tonyyarusso> huh
[20:05] <bazhang> obsessed with ubuntu it seems
[20:11] <KB1JWQ> Precisely.  I didn't correlate it until just now.
[20:12] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: but really, it's our failing that we don't keep staff informed if anything (:
[20:12] <gpc> seems our days are numbered
[20:12]  * gpc starts counting
[20:13] <bazhang> he only bothers #freenode apart from #ubuntu channels that I have seen
[20:14] <gpc> @mark #ubuntu leftist (~dizzy@adsl-92-132-79.asm.bellsouth.net) leftist> i also wanted to say that there are a couple of punk ass op's in here and your days are numbered you asswhipes.
[20:15] <bazhang> jbib1
[20:24] <maco> bazhang: did you also get that what that person said to me was "thanks, i know"?
[20:25] <maco> apparently i know just enough russian to recognise insolence?
[20:25] <bazhang> maco, yes, they were disrupting
[21:46] <rww> ikonia: any examples of *!*@ubuntu/member/* being abused? The only one I've ever heard about is people failing at operating in #ubuntu-release-party.
[21:51] <rww> KB1JWQ: assuming I'm reading /whowas and nickserv right, thanks very much for removing cakeIRC's cloak.
[21:57] <KB1JWQ> rww: No worries, although it was based upon violations of network policy. :-)
[22:02] <popey> rww: I'd be interested in hearing about people abusing their ubuntu cloak
[22:02] <gpc> I don't recall ever seeing abuse of that sort
[22:03] <rww> It was less abuse and more idiocy, if memory serves. Either way, it's why ubuntu/member lost access in #u-r-p.
[22:03] <popey> didnt realise it had
[22:03] <Flannel> There was one guy in -r-p a few cycles ago that was just bad at being an operator, abuse of privledge, etc.
[22:03] <gpc> failing at opping is not a crime
[22:03] <gpc> it happens to the best of us
[22:03] <Flannel> gpc: No, it's not.  But it's why the cloak hasn't given privledges in -r-p since
[22:05] <gpc> instead of removing the privilege from all it should be used as an example of how not to act.
[22:05] <tonyyarusso> gpc++
[22:06] <rww> dangit. by the time I found my BT login, I forgot what I wanted to look for in there.
[22:07] <Flannel> rww: puppies
[22:07] <gpc> I can understand the lapse of judgement in a case where you have never had ops and go a little power happy.
[22:08] <gpc> why you looking for your bt login
[22:08] <gpc> why not just @btlogin and get a new one
[22:08] <rww> because generating new ones when I have valid old ones is silly ;O
[22:08] <gpc> ok
[22:09] <rww> oh, that's right. I removed the cakeirc cloak ban and was going to comment that it was just because that cloak doesn't exist any more.
[22:27] <rww> gpc: there are only about 340282367000000000000000000000000000000 possible session URLs. We have to conserve resources ;)
[22:28] <gpc> it all ends in 2012 anyway not to mention the 60 trillion tone asteroid hurling towards earth
[22:29] <Tm_T> gpc: no, 2018 when moon nazis come
[22:29] <gpc> Don't we have enough to worry about
[22:30] <gpc> bazhang: obvious troll with that nick
[22:30] <gpc> I just removed them from #u
[22:46] <rww> gpc: am I missing something in BT ID 37156? looks like uranus_gas_giant joined #ubuntu right after pauline used bad language, said nothing, and you removed uranus_gas_giant instead of pauline :\
[22:47] <gpc> the nick/ident combo is offensive imo
[22:48] <gpc> or atleast not family friendly
[22:49] <gpc> I gave pauline !language and they didn't say anything afterwards and chose to part the channel
[22:50] <rww> ah. Our definitions of "offensive nick" differ; explains why I was confused.
[22:50] <gpc> if I am wrong about the nick/ident please tell me
[22:50] <rww> I think you're wrong, but it's a subjective rule, not an objective one.
[22:51] <gpc> yeah offensive is probably not the right word but family friendly I still don't think it is
[22:52] <rww> either way, if you didn't PM them explaining why you removed them, it might be a good idea. Unless I'm just dense and normal people would have figured it out.
[22:53] <rww> although apparently they care more about being silly in -ot anyway.
[22:53] <gpc> seems so
[22:53] <gpc> no I didn't pm. I did give them !guidelines which iirc mentions something about being family friendly '
[22:54] <charlie-tca> rww: similar to u r anus  in english?
[22:54] <gpc> had the ident not been buttman I probably would not have removed them
[22:55] <rww> charlie-tca: I know.
[23:18] <maco> its like the first episode of space cases. teacher is doing rolecall. "bova from...uranus?" "i hate being from uranus. im the butt of every joke!"
[23:22] <Flannel> gpc: Not everyone receives the contents of part messages, you should never rely on that.
[23:22] <Flannel> Also, it would've been nice to query first, asking for a nick change prior to actual action being taken.
[23:22] <Flannel> Could be a perfectly reasonable fellow
[23:35] <tsimpson> Flannel: ubottu looks for factoids in removals and will /msg them
[23:36] <Flannel> tsimpson: I'm glad we have a bot that enables us to be lazy.
[23:37] <tsimpson> it's a feature, it's not supposed to be a replacement for people actually talking