[00:00] charlie-tca: I actually had already gotten the email when I said that earlier. [00:00] That was what I waited for, too. I find it works better that way [00:01] In ubottu, etfb said: !default is Does double-clicking a file icon always launch the wrong program? Change the default setting like this: right-click the icon in Nautilus (the file manager). Choose the Properties menu. In the Open With tab, select your preferred program and click OK. [00:01] !default [00:01] To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. [00:02] I see that there are more words in the suggestion. I don't see how it's different :< [00:02] I like the original better. It is simpler [01:05] buncha of fags [01:05] fuck this [01:05] watch your language please [01:05] Well that sort of attitude isn't going to get you unbanned any faster, [01:06] banning me? [01:06] if i saw you in real life [01:06] your done [01:06] my done what? [01:06] post your profile [01:06] is that a threat of violence and or murder? [01:06] lemme see your credentials [01:06] im a man of power [01:06] are you aware that such threats even when made on the internet are just as illegal as when over the phone or face to face? [01:06] clearly. [01:06] let me see who that is behind that computer [01:06] before you exude anymore authority [01:06] upon thee [01:07] er, that's not how you use second-person familiar [01:07] what makes you think your opinion is any good? [01:07] it's true. [01:07] !staff [01:07] hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :) [01:07] as in, you just used a second person pronoun to refer to yourself, which since you said it...you should've used a first person pronoun [01:07] ahem. [01:07] bazhang: ? [01:07] this place is brainwash [01:07] communist [01:07] Pici, death threats? [01:07] Also, ray24, your attitude isn't going to get yourself anywhere. Please go away. [01:07] go away? [01:07] Can anyone think of a single reason to allow this to continue? [01:07] nope [01:07] I'm a ubuntu user [01:08] assuming you don't need staff anymore? [01:08] just wanted to make them aware [01:08] h00k: was "it's true" at my grammar correction? [01:08] marienz: well, unless you have weekly meetings with the FBI :P [01:09] maco: yes [01:09] Unless marienz disagrees, I think that just a poke to a staffer might be better. I see !staff similarly to !ops, in that we need action take asap. [01:09] tonyyarusso: I know people in the US DoD, if that helps. [01:10] tonyyarusso: He called me once for Linux help. [01:10] yay, PMs too! [01:10] * Pici too [01:10] not here, yet. [01:10] Never would have expected that. [01:10] h00k: oh, good. I was feeling left out. [01:10] * h00k queries rww [01:10] I threw the appeals link at them... good thing I don't have to deal with those anymore. [01:11] assuming this is the first time he does something like this I don't think staff should get involved just yet, but I've relayed it [01:11] h00k: xkcd 853 [01:11] marienz: As far as I know, this is the first time we've seen this particular guy. [01:11] rww: :3 I love that one. [01:12] i think if i threw a stick within a mile of where i work, i'd hit a US DoD person, seeing as the suburb where i work was created to house people who work at No Such Agency [01:13] oh im getting them now too [01:13] ive been called two names so far [01:13] only two? [01:13] and afaik, they're not ones that can usually both apply to the same person... [01:14] Stop Theeself! [01:14] hmm one of them just repeated, and ive been asked to commit suicide [01:14] * maco ponders [01:14] no thanks [01:14] i just got a new job. think i'd like to stay alive long enough for my first paycheque at least [01:14] I'll add my pm log to the bt comments. [01:14] oh and a racial term was just used as if it were an insult... [01:16] and.. commented. [01:16] @login [01:16] The operation succeeded. [01:16] @btloin [01:16] fail. [01:16] @btlgin [01:16] @btloincloth [01:16] ... [01:16] @btlogin [01:16] mmm, btloin [01:16] btloin with btgin, even better. [01:17] I don't get it. He's threatening to do Ubuntu advocacy? [01:18] I didn't know being unemployed was an insult either. [01:18] Oop, now I'm in the club, too. [01:18] * rww sulks [01:18] Anything can be an insult: "You're so useless, you use a computer!!!", it's all in the delivery. [01:19] "You can't even chat on IRC without a machine to help!" [01:19] Okay, in all honesty, what was said to me was pretty weak. [01:19] Not advocating anything, but...heh. [01:19] persia: In Soviet Russia computer uses YOU! [01:20] i mostly was just informed my sexuality is unacceptable. with no evidence regarding what my sexuality actually is. but whatever! [01:20] Jordan_U, Pity those days are gone: there's something better about BCI interfaces when the HID is an output device. [01:20] So.. in other words, just another day as an op. [01:20] I added my comment to the bantracker as well. [01:20] s/comment/comments [01:20] there were 2! [01:20] Pici: they haven't ban-evaded yet, so today is actually a relatively good day [01:20] rww: don't give ideas :( [01:20] ubottu isnt answering when i login [01:20] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [01:20] @login [01:21] The operation succeeded. [01:21] maco: Maybe being capable of having a sexuality is unacceptable? [01:21] ah have to do it in a channel. how silly [01:21] @btlogin [01:21] tonyyarusso: im sorry im not a eunuch? [01:21] maco: You shouldn't have to. [01:21] if only we were all unix.... [01:21] maco: hehe [01:21] i has a PM [01:21] Jordan_U: tell that to ubottu [01:21] maco: but we want to be linux, not unix! [01:22] ok mine's in [01:22] related: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47570404@N08/4352322441/ [01:22] Let's not get into discussions of preferred technology, or somebody will mention joe. [01:23] the editor? [01:23] ed's friend. [01:24] I hear he has vi [01:24] Obligatory: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html [01:28] rww: your turn to add a comment? [01:28] rww: or is he still going? [01:28] my log is too long and too hilarious to be added. [01:28] hilarious sounds like reason *to* add... [01:28] I think anyone reviewing the log will get the message ;) [01:29] Yah [01:31] oh,. [01:36] !hacking [01:36] A hacker is a person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular, as defined by Request for Comments (RFC) 1392 - i.e. a good programmer -- crackers on the other hand break systems, see also !piracy [01:37] !learn2hack [01:37] can i make an alias for !learn2hack for: If you would like to learn to hack, please follow the HowTo set forth by Eric S Raymond at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html [01:38] its about /actual/ /legal/ hacking [01:38] like...being an excellent programmer [01:38] thats not what he wanted, and prolongs the offtopic follow on commentary [01:38] but maybe gets them to go away and read for an hour or so [01:38] do script kiddies know how to read? [01:38] unlikely in the extreme [01:39] maco: yeah, this line: /////COPY EVERYTHING BELOW HERE [01:39] hahaha [01:39] maco: 0|\|1'/ !|\| 1337 [01:40] rww: the hell does THAT say? [01:40] oh i see [01:40] only in leet [01:41] * persia always thought hackers delighted in using their intimate understanding of internal workings to fiddle about and change things. [01:43] (hacker: one who hacks -> to hack: to perform activities resulting in a hack -> a hack: some way of interpreting or presenting rules to accomplish an unexpectedly elegant result (e.g. implementing /usr/bin/true as "#! /bin/sh\n") [01:47] except in #ubuntu [01:48] look at his last line before exit: "I know it's illegal!" [01:48] * h00k facepalms [01:49] the point being, people who know the distinction don't ask about it [01:50] rule 1 and 2. [01:51] or something [01:53] Whoa. See @joey's identi.ca :( [01:53] :o [01:54] I really try to have hope for humanity. [01:54] um who is joey? [01:54] some dude [01:55] O_O [01:55] i cant say what im thinking in this channel [01:55] itd violate !language [01:58] maco: Joey Stanford [01:58] tonyyarusso: figured that out by now, having clicked the link and gotten far enough to O_O [01:59] erm, typed in the url [01:59] same diff [02:00] * tonyyarusso rages [02:00] maco: 5 & 7 and 12 & 14 have the same difference! [02:00] * rww giggles at PM window [02:00] rww: There's *more*! [02:00] ? [02:01] tonyyarusso: We're having a delightful conversation about my army of bats [02:01] hahaha [02:01] nice [02:02] And in case anyone else has been getting PMs with quotes in them, I don't tend to use emoticons awkwardly in the middle of sentences. [02:04] Aww:(wwww [02:08] rww: I do! [02:10] oh more [02:11] he came back. [02:11] 02:10:47 #ubuntu-ray [02:11] er. [02:12] although it appears they don't know how to chanserv, so *shrug* [02:12] I'm getting the /queries from that person again [02:12] * tonyyarusso dons pie-in-the-sky hat [02:12] Freenode GMS will prevent creation of such channels! [02:12] * tonyyarusso returns to reality [02:14] another short round of completely original insults [02:14] Just remember, every minute they spend being witty and creative in PM is another minute they're not figuring out how to get into #ubuntu. [02:15] yeah...I considered replying for an attempt to delay any ban-evading attempts [02:16] We need better chatbot plugins for clients to have these drawn-out discussions for us. Automation for the win. [02:19] ooo, that's a good idea actually [02:20] There's a decent supybot one [02:21] http://scripts.irssi.org/html/eliza.pl.html :D [02:21] eliza is ollllllllld [02:23] Pici: re: The staff factoid, I don't think it is a big deal either way. If you just want to make us aware of something, a simple PM might be more effective, but there is nothing wrong with hilighting us via the factoid. [02:23] But perhaps exhaustingly patient when responding to insults, especially when seeded occasionally by human input to indicate it's not entirely a bot (although I'm unsure of freenode policy wrt cyborgs) [02:25] did you know you could change the topic in channels that are not +t even without @ [02:25] Yes. Yes I do know. [02:26] even though it is trollish. I admit to partaking in the fun once [02:26] :) [02:27] time to take that script and adapt it to respond if $nick PMs me [02:28] oh. requires Chatbot::Eliza. isn't packaged, way too lazy to install manually. [02:30] It's in your local hardy mirror, if you want. [02:30] persia: I have a feeling cyborgs would fall under the bot policy. Basically, they are fine if you have permission to have them in the channel. [02:31] nhandler, makes sense, and probably also falls under some don't-ask-don't-tell model, as it might be hard to determine the level of automation without investigation into the client configuration. [02:31] I have a feeling that autobleh makes me less than 100% human. [02:31] Indeed it does. [02:32] nhandler: roger that. [02:33] psh, they deleted chatbot-eliza for being "unpopular, unmaintained, lame" [02:33] heretics [02:36] in other words, someone's pride got hurt. [02:36] rww: Yeah, all packages in Debian need a maintainer. If you poke me, I could probably get it re-uploaded through the pkg-perl team ;) [02:36] unpopular is a poor reason. unmaintained is something you could volunteer to fix, if you liked. lame is subjective. [02:37] lame is probably the most telling [02:42] I do like that sdate is still there. [02:43] I like that ddate is installed by default. [02:43] (Today is Setting Orange, the 35th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3177) [02:44] heh [02:44] wth is ddate [02:45] it outputs the current Discordian date [02:45] ah [02:45] ( http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/41.php ) [02:47] * rww giggles at #freenode [02:48] which of you is still PMing him? I stopped 25 minutes ago :\ [02:48] im not [02:49] I'm not [02:49] I haven't respondd at all [03:14] In #ubuntu-offtopic, witeshark said: !! there it is again! [03:18] I also like the sl package. [03:18] ditto === gpc is now known as Gulfstream [03:30] pwnt [03:31] yes === IdleOne is now known as gpc [03:41] I've been shockingly helpful today in #ubuntu. The downside to that is there are entirely too many people who don't know how to properly ask a question. [03:43] welcome to irc [03:44] If only the phenomenon described was limited to IRC :( === gpc is now known as IdleTwo === IdleTwo is now known as gpc [03:45] persia: what mean you things people real do life think? [03:45] h00k: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? [03:46] rww: That's what it is! Yes. [03:46] h00k, Conventionally, the activity of the individual, when seeking to achieve some goal, especially one dearly required, especially important ones, please? [03:47] persia: still no verb! [03:48] "please" is a verb: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/please [03:48] I think you mean "No independent clause!!" [03:48] please please me [03:49] That's definitely the model of the very best of pleas [03:49] Not used there, it wasn't, one could argue! Anyway, yes, no independent clause. [03:49] it's from The Beatles [03:55] cobra42_ is likely to become a problem, FYI. [03:57] * h00k hops over [03:57] cobra2_ ? [03:57] Er, yes. [04:20] And there he is giving sudo rm -rf advice. [04:20] xangua called the ops in #ubuntu (cobra2_) [04:21] gpc: Depressing that I called it. [04:21] got him in PM [04:26] bazhang: Anything of substance? [04:27] ubuntu.com is down [04:27] KB1JWQ, trying to get him to read the code of conduct and guidelines currently [04:28] 20:27:34 [freenode] [~cobra2_(~someone@174.124.232.204 )] unmute me in ##ubuntu [04:28] 20:27:46 [freenode] [~cobra2_(~someone@174.124.232.204 )] be4 spam [04:28] In my PM. [04:31] kklimonda called the ops in #ubuntu+1 () [04:32] It's moments like that which I really really want a RT instance for the irc team [04:33] It'd also make it easier for people to ask for cloaks, etc. [04:33] elky: So we to can deal with problems 2 years after they occur? [04:33] tonyyarusso, well as it is, we're not dealing with non-urgent issues that nobody reads 12hrs of scrollback to find. [04:33] It's true [04:33] I read every line in -ops. [04:33] Have done for months. [04:33] * tonyyarusso is trying to set up Trac at work, failing at the authentication stuff :( [04:34] My head is /so full of useless crap/ now. [04:34] That is, factoid suggestions/edits, cloaks, non-urgent channel maintenance. [04:34] It'd be *awesome* to be able to mark stuff done off. [04:34] Why use something other than Launchpad though? [04:34] Any reason not to use an LP project for that? [04:34] tonyyarusso, like rt, which the sysadmins use? [04:34] persia: Too slow! [04:35] elky: right [04:35] too user unfriendly [04:35] synical appears to be a bot in #ubuntu, responded to !uptime,not sure who it belongs to [04:35] RT is kinda clunky, and Yet Another Account [04:35] I've gotten trac working for jquery.com, let me know if you need a hand, tonyyarusso. [04:35] he's been asked to turn off that script before h00k [04:35] rww, it's too user-unfriendly to email rt@whereverwesetitup.com? [04:35] RT is mostly interesting if you want queue management, which I doubt there is a need to handle for the volume of requests. [04:35] elky: i meant LP [04:35] bazhang: do you know who it belongs to? [04:35] rww, ohgodsyes [04:36] elky, RT admin is a bit more overhead. [04:36] KB1JWQ: Will do. My hangup has been getting the form-based database auth and user registration going, as opposed to the default Apache auth and manual user definitions. [04:36] Rather than RT I'd probably suggest JIRA. Free for open source projects even. :-p [04:36] bazhang: or is it synical's client [04:36] persia, so if we had a lp project for "irc request queue" or whatever, what would we tell people to email to to start a ticket? [04:36] h00k, a script I think, check his host [04:37] yeah... [04:37] elky: If people e-mail to start a ticket, they'll expect someone to e-mail them back :( [04:37] tonyyarusso, the closing off of the ticket would send the email automatically [04:37] elky: but not *right away* [04:37] elky, new@bugs.launchpad.net, but it's not lovely: see https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface [04:37] bazhang: isn't responding to queries [04:37] If we wait four days to deal with their cloak they'll be all "HELLO? DOES ANYBODY READ THIS MAILBOX?" [04:38] tonyyarusso, you can configure automatically reply with "it's in our queue we won't lose it here like we will in irc." [04:38] or whatevs [04:38] Yeah, synical is just sitting there with that script going. Irritating to be sure. [04:38] synical, hi [04:39] We don't lose cloak requests, though. There are awesome people in #ubuntu-irc that throw rocks at IRCC until they appear ;P [04:39] synical: I had you forwarded you here because your script is enabled in #ubuntu. [04:39] * rww still thinks a ticket system would be nice, though [04:40] elky: People should be used to submitting things on Launchpad for Ubuntu anyway - I don't see why and e-mail interface is important or useful for this. [04:40] rww: agreed on that much [04:40] tonyyarusso, because people disconnect from irc occasionally. [04:40] normal people. not people like you. [04:40] they do?? [04:40] h00k: yeah. Linode goes down sometimes. [04:40] elky: Huh? What does that have to do with anything? [04:41] tonyyarusso, lots. I don't have to have a list by my computer of people who i have to look out for to tell something I did last week [04:41] I have a feeling synical is afk and is going to sit here for a while. [04:41] elky: ... [04:41] elky: tonyyarusso's suggesting using LP as a ticketing system, not not using a ticketing system or just using IRC. [04:41] elky: We're discussing web interface vs. e-mail interface. We agree on the usefulness of a ticketing system. See above. [04:41] h00k, he's never been responsive to PM over the past few weeks [04:42] fantastic. [04:42] tonyyarusso, ah got confused. either way, launchpad *is* confusing. unless you want "i want a cloak" raised as a bug against "ubuntu" [04:42] elky: bug against "ubuntu-irc-stuffs", or something similar. [04:42] an email to rt@ubottu.com or something would be less losable [04:42] do...um..we want to remove synical from here for the time bein, the? [04:43] then, rather. [04:43] tonyyarusso, launchpad then gets to try talk them out of raising a bug, and asking things they don't need [04:43] Why can't some one on each RMB be given auth to request a cloak be applied? [04:44] gpc, because we can't have that many GCs and still have the ircc with any? [04:44] elky: if you must you could easily implement a mail handler that would take their e-mail, shift things around and add fields to fit the launchpad new bugs e-mail format, and forward it along. [04:44] tonyyarusso, thanks for volunteering. [04:44] :P [04:44] * tonyyarusso probably could, hrm [04:44] Although a simplified web form would be even easier. [04:45] i'm sure the sysadmin team would love their sysadmin rt's moved to launchpad too. [04:45] gpc, There's several other non-RMB groups that can grant membership. [04:45] elky, I know of a request to do that, but it's blocked on LP not supporting multiple queues in any sane way. [04:45] ok so, what is the problem with adding a few other people to do it. [04:46] 1- membership approved 2- add to proper team in launchpad 3- ask staff to apply cloak. [04:46] there's no reason to. cloak processing is not bottlenecked by there not being enough GCs. [04:46] not significantly, anyway [04:46] Can someone remove synical until they're ready to come back and discuss their bot in #ubuntu? [04:47] woo! [04:47] thanks. [04:47] erm. that should probably have had a message. you might want to pm him to that regard. [04:48] will do [04:48] * You have been invited to #KB1JWQtheLier by unmute_me` [04:48] bazhang: It gets better. [04:48] should I join? [04:48] Apparently the last time I talked to him I "offered to make him freenode staff." [04:49] I didn't. [04:49] oh, nice. [04:49] CAN I HAZ STAFF [04:49] I forsee no problems with making him staff, does anyone else? :-p [04:49] thats cobra2_ I'd guess [04:49] Indeed. [04:49] hehe ...no! [04:50] "You there! You're a colossal pain in major channels, so do you mind if I unilaterally induct you into network staff?" [04:51] sometimes it works. Responsibility does strange things to people. Mind you, it's only recommended in cases where the other options are equally stark. [04:52] Responsibility does very strange things to people. Just look at funkyHat. [04:53] absconded [04:54] http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-02-03/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DilbertDailyStrip+(Dilbert+Daily+Strip) [04:54] s/\?.*$// ;P [04:55] also, this explains a lot. [05:29] * You have been invited to #fffk by cobra2_ still no response via PM after the initial abrasive commentary [05:33] ExplodingPiglets needs a cool down period [05:34] I've alerted freenode staff, he's doing in several channels on the network [05:42] gpc called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [05:43] hate doing that in there but sometimes it's the only way [05:47] rww: Hour? or what? [05:47] until he gets bored and goes to bed [05:51] ExplodingPiglets called the ops in #ubuntu () [06:53] gpc: Taking care of it [06:53] * [culb] (freebsd@mindboggle.us): culb is a bot? [06:53] responds to google [06:53] err !google [06:53] * Flannel sighs. [06:53] quieted for now [06:54] will msg and ask to turn it off [06:59] * [Guest74074] (~nexus@host86-154-125-176.range86-154.btcentralplus.com): nexus ban forward? [06:59] no response from culb, told them to either come here or send me a PM when they have disabled the script. [06:59] bazhang: yes, I would. [07:00] as for culb I'm going to leave the +q for now. [07:00] gpc: Suggest a ban instead of a quiet (banforward even). Quiets aren't apparent. If he misses your query, he'll never know he's quieted. [07:00] Flannel: ok will set a forward [07:04] keep an eye open for r007 [07:05] was that guest r007 ? [07:05] don't think so [07:07] Looks like it. [07:07] but he was giving suspect advice yesterday [07:07] 22:57 -!- Guest74074 [~nexus@host86-154-125-176.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] [07:07] 23:01 -!- r007 [~r007@host86-154-125-176.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu [07:07] okay. searching in bt under 86-154 brings them both up [07:07] I didn't really look [07:07] Would explain the chip on his shoulder [07:08] then he immediately joined as r007 thereafter [07:09] whoa, just prior [07:37] so if it takes two years to break a password he is not going to worry about it? [08:16] like herding cats today :/ [09:16] jayne: that annoying guy now in #freenode... he's there only for causing disruption [09:16] * Tm_T waves to all the log readers out there [11:26] In #ubuntu, yuvateja said: ubottu: where is the volume applet present? [11:32] is there anyone handling ubuntu free cd to whome i can talk about a thing? [11:32] or email? [11:33] AbhijiT: shipit.ubuntu.com? [11:33] yeah [11:33] but jpds actually thing is i need to talk about how much should i order in bulk? so that it get approved? i am giving seminar in front of frends and teachers [11:33] they all are from computer field. [11:34] You would have to talk to your local community team. [11:34] okay [11:35] i wil talk to ubuntu india then. [11:35] thanks jpds [11:35] bye [12:37] In #ubuntu, Loller said: ubottu: it is not the 43 [13:03] its 42! [13:22] Pici: It's* [13:22] I always mess that up. [13:23] be thankful gord or rww is not awake to punish grammar [13:24]