[00:00] <hamitron> I don't remember ever running the client on linux
[00:00] <hamitron> a server, yeh
[00:00] <hamitron> brb
[00:01] <Jibadeeha> k
[00:04] <hamitron> bk
[00:14] <brobostigon> evening everyone.
[03:30] <pauliunx> hi, I have a problem, if I hit 'hibernate' it will work the first time, but after resuming it won't work again, the screens go blank and the system freezes so i need to reset it. anyone have any idea?
[04:04]  * ball <- running Xubuntu
[04:19] <ball> It's time to put the kettle on.
[05:40] <MartijnVdS> ball: excellent idea
[05:46] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: wow your still up?
[05:46] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: no, I'm already up
[05:47] <HazRPG> I think I may have lost a day... playing minecraft >_<
[05:47] <HazRPG> only just looked at the time now >_<
[05:47] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: uninstall! uninstall!
[05:47] <HazRPG> lol
[05:47] <MartijnVdS> vr feb  4 05:47:25 UTC 2011
[05:47] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ^
[05:47] <HazRPG> IKR!
[05:48] <HazRPG> I looked at it and went... hang on a sec, didn't I start playing at 5pm!?!?
[05:48] <HazRPG> >_<
[05:48] <HazRPG> oh well
[05:48] <HazRPG> tis fun
[05:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: don't blame us if you fail exams/get fired/etc. ;)
[05:49] <HazRPG> mobs really really frustrate me tho
[05:49] <HazRPG> heh, how can i blame anyone but myself
[05:49] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the people here told you to try it ;)
[05:49] <HazRPG> I've heard about minecraft for a while - just never played it until recently.
[05:50] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: true... but I was considering playing it anyways xD
[05:50] <HazRPG> it was the price that swayed me mainly
[05:51] <HazRPG> I thought "if I wait... and get it later... I'll regret not having bought it when it was cheap"
[05:51] <HazRPG> however... I was also thinking... "I still have lots of other games, that I still haven't played"
[05:52] <HazRPG> in the end, since popey had his own server up... thought why the hell not xD
[05:52] <HazRPG> oops... oh well...
[05:52] <HazRPG> I'll just have to make sure I don't double-click it as often...
[05:53] <HazRPG> or better yet! Setup a task so that the shortcuts only show up after a certain time xD
[05:53] <HazRPG> and another one, to auto-kill it at a certain time, and also hide shortcuts xD
[05:54] <HazRPG> plan!
[05:54] <HazRPG> already have such things in place for games I use to be addicted to
[05:55]  * HazRPG should maybe lay off the caffeine
[05:56] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I'm off to bed, before I find more things to do in minecraft...
[05:56] <HazRPG> nn
[06:49] <AlanBell> morning
[06:56] <nigelb> Morning AlanBell :)
[07:48] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[07:49] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:01]  * BigRedS needs something that breaks more obviously when the connection disappears
[08:05] <screen-x> BigRedS: +1
[08:07] <BigRedS> It has before got to ~11am before I've noticed that all the timestamps in this dead channel are at about 3am, when for whatever reason I disconnected from he ssh session
[08:13] <screen-x> heh I've been braving #ubuntu for a few mins, not going to last long in there..
[08:14] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:15] <screen-x> morning MooDoo :)
[08:23] <DJones> Morning MooDoo screen-x
[08:35] <Compacthack> Morning all
[08:36] <screen-x> mornign Compacthack  :)
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: ServerAliveInterval in ~/.ssh/config (see man ssh_config)
[08:38] <Compacthack> My Superdrive has finally turned up, 10.10 is going into my Macbook Air!
[08:38] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: depends where the connection failure is..
[08:38] <screen-x> Compacthack: which MBA have you got?
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: sure, if it's the connection to the IRC server that's flaking out, you'll need to teach irssi some tricks :)
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: but it's possible to get a blinking red "CONNECTION LOST" in each window with minimal scripting
[08:40] <screen-x> I get a message saying I'm no longer connected, but its usually just before the connection is re-established, so its pretty useless.
[08:42] <Compacthack> screen-x: 11" with 128GB SSD, 1.6GHz CPU and 4GB RAM
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I get it in window 1, where I tend to not look
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: (because of Freenode spam)
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> "Boohoo we're the admins and some server is going down" SO WHAT, I'LL RECONNECT... *ahem*
[08:43]  * MartijnVdS wanders off to get some calming tea
[08:43] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: heh, I never really read the console.
[08:44] <screen-x> Compacthack: :) Let us know how 10.10 runs on there..
[08:49] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I keep meaning to fiddle with that config :)
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: I think this needs to be a script, because it has to write something to all relevant windows at once
[08:56] <Compacthack> screen-x: Will do, been difficult to install, ended up taking the easy option and brought a Superdrive (USB DVD/CDROM)
[08:56] <screen-x> Compacthack: it wont install from usb?
[08:57] <Compacthack> Nope, a Apple thing with the MBA I think
[08:58] <Compacthack> People have done it by coping usb install to a partition then booting into that, but bug with the installer, tries to unmount the install partition when setting up the other partitions
[09:00] <screen-x> ahh :(
[09:05] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: Ah, I include scripting in config. But It's thankfully quite rare that I find myself on such a flaky connection
[09:11] <MooDoo> morning kazade
[09:11] <kazade> morning MooDoo
[09:12] <kazade> MooDoo, #ubuntu-uk-minecraft ;)
[09:17] <BigRedS> kazade:
[09:19] <nigelb> 23
[09:20] <MooDoo> 153 ;)
[09:24] <directhex> time to pack!
[09:27] <daubers> Morning
[09:27] <screen-x> \o daubers
[09:27] <screen-x> where are you off to directhex?
[09:28] <directhex> brussels!
[09:32] <screen-x> directhex: as an official delegation?
[09:34] <directhex> screen-x, i'm giving a talk, if that counts
[09:34] <screen-x> cool, what on?
[09:34] <directhex> FOSDEM
[09:37] <screen-x> directhex: found you :) http://fosdem.org/2011/schedule/event/mono_debian
[09:41] <screen-x> ooh I'd like to listen to Lennart Poettering on systemd, hope that gets recorded
[09:43] <directhex> hm. i can't find my passport
[09:44] <directhex> this is now a priority
[09:44] <MooDoo> directhex: best get off here and find it then :)
[09:45] <JamesTait> Good morning, Angels! Happy Friday!
[09:45] <screen-x> JamesTait: you win the award for most inventive good morning line :)
[09:46] <JamesTait> Why, thank you. :)
[09:54] <Neoti|work> hey people...... just had a friday cob ... and feel great... hows people ...
[09:55] <MooDoo> hmmmm friday cob :)
[09:55] <Neoti|work> its a reward to my self for getting through another crap week ... he he
[09:55] <Neoti|work> lol
[09:56] <MooDoo> lucky bugger, although i've got a starbucks coffee :)
[09:56] <directhex> !!!
[09:56] <MooDoo> directhex: found it?
[09:56] <Neoti|work> umm coffee
[09:57] <directhex> no :x
[09:57] <directhex> gonna have a shower, clear my mind
[09:57] <screen-x> directhex: wont be in there
[10:01] <bigcalm> Good FRIDAY! morning peeps :)
[10:09] <sven__> Hello everyone :]
[10:11] <DJones> Morning sven__
[10:12] <sven__> DJones,  can i ask you something :)
[10:12] <sven__> mey*
[10:12] <DJones> Sure, give it a go
[10:14] <Neoti|work> anyone in here from BT ?
[10:16] <bigcalm> Who would admit to that?
[10:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:17] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski how was canonical?
[10:17] <czajkowski> grand
[10:17] <czajkowski> you missed the hug
[10:17] <czajkowski> hus
[10:17] <MooDoo> czajkowski: nice picture ;)
[10:17] <czajkowski> hugs
[10:17] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i'll get one when i see you in london for the rugby ;)
[10:18] <screen-x> morning czajkowski.. I was looking for directhex on fosdem.org, and spotted that you are also speaking :)
[10:18] <bigcalm> AHA! Realised why there is money in the joint account. No council tax this month
[10:18] <czajkowski> screen-x: aye
[10:19] <AlanBell> popey: sladen got hugged
[10:19] <screen-x> bigcalm: are you "visiting" ;-)
[10:19] <gord> czajkowski, were you doing anything fun in millbank?
[10:20] <bigcalm> screen-x: I think that you pay 10 months out of 12. Rather like the tv licence. I have no idea why though
[10:20] <screen-x> bigcalm: oddness, shows how closely I monitor my accounts (!)
[10:21] <gord> sometimes evolution says that i have x unread messages when i clearly have none, annoying
[10:21] <bigcalm> screen-x: Where I used to live on my own and got the 25% off was nearly as much as normal council tax here
[10:21] <bigcalm> Where I used to live was lovely, but darn expensive
[10:22] <MooDoo> wow loads of speakers at fosdem
[10:22] <czajkowski> gord: poking people :)
[10:22] <gord> czajkowski, a hard job, but someone has to do it
[10:23] <MooDoo> gord: didn't you see the pic of czajkowski on facebook? smiling while she was doing it ;)
[10:23]  * popey pokes bigcalm with #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :)
[10:23] <gord> i don't really use facebook, i have facebook chat hooked up to my IM's but thats about it, too lazy to go to a website
[10:23] <MooDoo> gord: don't blame you to be honest lol
[10:25] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:25] <MooDoo> s-fox: good morning
[10:25] <popey> \o/ no facebook account
[10:26] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo .  How are you?
[10:26] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm very well thanks, going to see peter kay in notts tonight :D
[10:28] <directhex> :'(
[10:30] <s-fox> That sounds fun MooDoo
[10:32]  * czajkowski pokes AlanBell and TheOpenSourcerer 
[10:32] <czajkowski> bah
[10:32] <czajkowski> boarding
[10:32] <czajkowski> toodles
[10:32]  * TheOpenSourcerer waves at czajkowski
[10:32]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski 
[10:32] <MooDoo> s-fox: yes i'm looking forward to it
[10:32] <AlanBell> have a nice flight
[10:32] <czajkowski> hello ye two messers
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> enjoy the train.
[10:32] <czajkowski> AlanBell: TRAIN... do you remember last nights chats my dear
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's fun.
[10:32] <AlanBell> oh yeah
[10:32] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: even you remembered
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm like an elephant me ;-)
[10:33] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yer getting old :p
[10:33] <AlanBell> czajkowski: never listen to a thing you say, should know that by now
[10:33] <czajkowski> clearly
[10:33] <czajkowski> bye
[10:33] <MooDoo> czajkowski: bye x
[10:33] <AlanBell> choo choo o/
[10:34] <s-fox> Bye czajkowski  :)
[10:36] <MooDoo> hmmm tapas or wagammamas tonight?
[10:36]  * screen-x votes wagammamas
[10:37] <s-fox> tapas
[10:37] <AlanBell> wagamammas
[10:37] <Laney> there's a tapas restaurant called iberico near the galleries of justice that is really good
[10:37] <Laney> i recommend that
[10:38]  * popey votes tapas
[10:38] <MooDoo> thanks Laney :)
[10:38]  * bigcalm isn't that excited by tapas
[10:38] <bigcalm> MooDoo: What's your location?
[10:38] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i'm in nottingham
[10:39] <bigcalm> May I recomend sushi? :)
[10:39] <MooDoo> bigcalm: don't eat fish, cooked or raw
[10:39] <MooDoo> :D
[10:39] <MooDoo> actually i take that statement back
[10:39] <bigcalm> That does limit the choices then :)
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> Sushi++
[10:39] <MooDoo> as sushi isn't necassarilyfish if i'm not mistaken :)
[10:40] <s-fox> Canas y Tapas is not so far from here and is really good for tapas
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: you could try f&c ;)
[10:40] <MooDoo> s-fox: anything near the concert hall to be honest :D
[10:41] <popey> MooDoo: why don't you eat fish?
[10:41] <popey> daubers doesnt either iirc
[10:41] <MooDoo> popey: had a bad reaction when i was younger and never tried it since.
[10:42] <dutchie> i don't particularly like fish, if that counts
[10:42] <screen-x> I don't eat fish either.
[10:42] <screen-x> ^5 dutchie
[10:42] <MooDoo> i don't mind sea food but not fish, although my wife says i should try monk fish as it's meatier
[10:43]  * MooDoo must remember to time how fast my ubuntu works now i'm running ssd
[10:43] <MooDoo> s/works/boots
[10:44] <directhex> where haven't i looked?
[10:44] <daubers> popey: I've been converted recently
[10:44] <daubers> Though still won't go near sushi
[10:44]  * jpds thinks food is a weapon, and eats everything.
[10:44] <daubers> I found the trick was to learn to cook it properly.....
[10:45] <MooDoo> directhex: bedroom draws, on your bookshelf with all your post, in your sock draw, in a secret place only you know about and have forgotten :)
[10:45] <screen-x> directhex: filing cabinet?, shelves.. bags, coat pockets
[10:45] <daubers> directhex: In your car?
[10:45] <screen-x> MooDoo: did you time it with disk, then copy your install to SSD? would be interesting to see the difference SSD makes, when its the only variable thats changed.
[10:46] <MooDoo> screen-x: no i didn't but it's no hardship to put the normal disk back in for testing
[10:46] <MooDoo> although it is quite good :D
[10:46] <popey> daubers: where other halves passport is located
[10:47] <popey> er directhex
[10:47] <screen-x> MooDoo: noticeably snappier in normal usage with sshd?
[10:47] <MooDoo> screen-x: yup :)
[10:47] <directhex> popey, yes
[10:47] <directhex> popey, nope
[10:48] <directhex> popey, got hers, no trouble
[10:48] <dutchie> woohoo, lectures
[10:48] <screen-x> MooDoo: do you have plenty of RAM?
[10:48] <MooDoo>  screen-x 4gb
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> popey, MooDoo: http://j.mp/i0JlVL
[10:49] <MooDoo> lol
[10:49] <screen-x> haha
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> memegenerator++ :)
[10:50] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/239/461325122_6dbcf37c81.jpg
[10:50] <popey> heh
[10:50] <daubers> Bah, why isn't there a library to deal with magnetic tapes in python
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> daubers: because magnetic tapes are just special device files, and there are plenty of libraries that deal with those :P
[10:51] <popey> mt!
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> tar!
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> (guess what the "t" stands for..)
[10:52] <daubers> Yes yes yes, I can just call mt, but it would be nice to do it without resorting to calling a CLI program
[10:52] <daubers> MartijnVdS: python-tar doesn't rewind the tape and whatnot
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ah, you want to do ioctls then :)
[10:54] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Got a convenient link for that?
[10:55] <daubers> Oooh... man st might be useful
[10:58] <directhex> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[10:58] <screen-x> directhex: w00t :)
[10:59] <directhex> phone wife, find within 60 seconds
[10:59] <directhex> wife++
[10:59] <MooDoo> directhex: lol where was it :)
[10:59] <directhex> MooDoo, inside pocket of my suit jacket
[11:00]  * screen-x was pretty close at 10:45 then :)
[11:00] <MooDoo> directhex: typical :D
[11:02] <Laney> we need more schengen
[11:03] <MooDoo> Laney: more what?
[11:03] <Laney> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
[11:03] <seeker> directhex: My girlfriend always complains that im unobservant and never notice anything
[11:03] <jpds> Laney: No.
[11:04] <MooDoo> seeker: i can look for something for ages and it's always right in front of my face as my wife points out
[11:04] <directhex> right... packing... don't have a suitable bag \o/
[11:04] <daubers> Meh, my missus complains that I occasionally refer to her as my calender
[11:04] <seeker> So when i lose stuff she finds it quickly
[11:04] <seeker> However, when it comes to the Internet, the situation is reversed
[11:05] <screen-x> daubers: heh, I've pursuaded mrs screen-x to use google calendar :)
[11:05] <MooDoo> directhex: phone the wife, she'll have one :p
[11:05] <seeker> She spent 45 mins last night looking for stuff
[11:05] <seeker> I found it in about 45 seconds
[11:05] <daubers> screen-x: I tried that, but I always forget to put stuff on it. Easier to mention it to the missus and she'll remind me
[11:06] <seeker> <- not *totally* useless
[11:06] <screen-x> daubers: yeah, only works if you both have phones that sync well.
[11:06] <directhex> i'll steal her bag. remove stockings first though... roommate will look at me funny if i pull those out
[11:07] <MooDoo> directhex: funny or with a slight wink ;)
[11:07] <davmor2> morning all
[11:07] <davmor2> MooDoo:
[11:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning sir
[11:08] <bigcalm> Latest version of iTunes has removed the GET button from the Podcasts view. This is odd
[11:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's cause apple hates you :D
[11:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: the feeling is mutual :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> iTunes is the only thing of theirs that I use out of choice
[11:09] <bigcalm> And that's just for the podcasts
[11:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: good day yesterday?
[11:10] <screen-x> bigcalm: iTunes is one of the only things of theirs that I hate with a passion. (the other is timecapsule)
[11:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: busy, nearly missed czajkowski all together :)
[11:10] <MooDoo> :)
[11:16] <Neoti|work> When are the people at ubuntu gonna fix the PPTP VPN problems... argh!!! its very anoyning ....
[11:17] <jpds> Neoti|work: Have you filed a bug report about it?
[11:18] <popey> Neoti|work: which specific issue? VPNs raise a number of issues
[11:20] <Neoti|work> ok ignore that ... it just started working .... its not been working for past week on my computer and now it is ... maybe that update i just did fixed it ... either way ... yey
[11:20] <Neoti|work> every time i tried to connect with the correct user ane password it just failed... yet the same vpn on widnows always worked.... strange.
[11:21]  * directhex realises saying "X is for girls, manly men use Y" isn't funny, it's just sexist
[11:22] <popey> directhex: found it yet?
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> directhex: X-chromosomes are for girls, manly men have Y-chromosomes.
[11:22] <directhex> [10:58] <directhex> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[11:22] <popey> heh
[11:22] <directhex> MartijnVdS, the manliest men have 2!
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> directhex: exactly!
[11:23] <bigcalm> I'm lost
[11:23] <popey> directhex: wifey accuses me of "man looking"
[11:23] <popey> when I can't find stuff
[11:23] <popey> "Oh, you've been man looking again?"
[11:23] <bigcalm> popey: I get that too!
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you're in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
[11:23] <popey> It's almost always because she's been "woman tidying" stuff away
[11:23] <bigcalm> NW
[11:23] <popey> bigcalm: You have been eaten by a grue.
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> popey: why do I read that with a "deep south" American accent?
[11:23] <popey> Restart (Y/N)
[11:24] <bigcalm> N
[11:24] <popey> C:\>
[11:24] <bigcalm> format c: /Y
[11:24] <MooDoo> rm -rf * /
[11:24] <bigcalm> Did that once by mistake on my dad's machine
[11:24] <bigcalm> Sorry, my dad's work machine
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> Cannot load COMMAND, system halted
[11:25] <screen-x> :(){:|.....
[11:25] <bigcalm> Good, time for a cuppa tea then :)
[11:25] <MooDoo> bigcalm: when i was younger and on YTS i was told to go run that command on a machine, they mistakenly thought i knew what it meant ;)
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I accidentally threw a 20MB hard disk off a desk once
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: (PC was disassembled for upgrades)
[11:26] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: 5" drive?
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: ST-225
[11:27] <Neoti|work> ok im guessing the vpn problems have been fixed in this update i just did ... YEY !!!!! \0/
[11:28] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: yay o/
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://www.redhill.net.au/d/d-a.html
[11:29] <Neoti|work> MooDoo : indeed! 0/
[11:29] <directhex> okay. i will play some minecraft now
[11:29] <popey> :)
[11:29]  * popey invites directhex to #ubuntu-uk-minecraft
[11:31] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: I keep meaning to disassemble a big old disk, the large platters should make good coasters..
[11:31] <s-fox> aka popey-world :)
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: my dad has a full-height 5.25" hard disk bookend :)
[11:32] <screen-x> I've got one of those from an old sun scsi housing :)
[11:49] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[11:49] <MooDoo> brobostigon: morning
[11:49] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS :)
[11:49] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo :)
[11:50]  * screen-x is having ADSL issues. 
[11:50] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you this fine day?
[11:50] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not bad, my hip hurts, but more optimistic certainly. and how about you?
[11:51] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm not bad, going to see peter kay tonight so that's good.
[11:51] <brobostigon> MooDoo: cool, have loads of fun, :)
[11:52] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i will :)  and then i;ll be doing some boot speed tests tomorrow with ubuntu and my ssd
[11:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i just found out,bytemark give native ipv6 for their vps's, :)
[11:53] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :) , ah, interesting.
[11:54] <bigcalm> Ooo, I didn't realise that I had an ipv6 address with my bytemark host
[11:54] <bigcalm> Any way of testing it?
[11:54] <MooDoo> virgin not doing them yet as far as i can tell
[11:54] <jpds> bigcalm: mtr -6 gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:55] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:55] <bigcalm> It wants to install 37 packages before mtr will get installed
[11:55] <jpds> bigcalm: traceroute6 -n gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <bigcalm> Network in unreachable
[11:57] <bigcalm> Grumble
[11:58] <brobostigon> bigcalm: http://www.bytemark.co.uk/support/technical_documents/ipv6
[11:59] <bigcalm> brobostigon: ta
[11:59] <brobostigon> bigcalm: you're welcome,
[12:00]  * bigcalm hunts down the welcome emails
[12:05] <bigcalm> How odd
[12:06] <bigcalm> ipv6 address stated in ifconfig is completely different from the welcome email
[12:09]  * bigcalm gets ready to break his vm
[12:10] <bigcalm> Broke it :D
[12:10] <jpds> Well done, good sir.
[12:10] <MooDoo> bigcalm: well done :D
[12:15] <bigcalm> # ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[12:15] <bigcalm> FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32.23-kvm-i386-20100923/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[12:15]  * bigcalm shakes his fist at Bytemark
[12:16] <screen-x> bigcalm: impressive that you had enough connectivity to receive that error..
[12:16] <bigcalm> screen-x: I'm logged into the admin console
[12:16] <screen-x> ahh, makes sesnse
[12:22] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll leave this to out of office hours
[12:25] <andylockran> howdy guys
[12:26] <brobostigon> afternoonings andylockran
[12:28] <bigcalm> Good evening
[12:39] <bigcalm> Lots of brown outs!
[12:39] <bigcalm> So glad I have UPSs
[12:41] <kernix> hi all
[13:08] <MooDoo> raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa power cuts
[13:09]  * MooDoo has made a schoolboy error
[13:09] <MooDoo> stupid computers
[13:09] <brobostigon> :(
[13:09] <bigcalm> MooDoo: getting a lot of brown outs here
[13:10] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah where i am too.....but my server rebooted fine, however as it's a vmware server i forgot to make the vm's restart too :S doh!!!!
[13:10] <bigcalm> Doh
[13:10] <bigcalm> You need a UPS :)
[13:10] <MooDoo> tell me about it....
[13:11] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yes i know
[13:11] <bigcalm> :P
[13:11] <MooDoo> darn vps's lol
[13:29] <popey> whenever I hear "brown outs" I think of playing Civilisation
[13:30] <jpds> popey: Not 5 minute chocolate cup-cakes?
[13:31] <screen-x> \o/ mug cakes
[13:34] <JamesTait> My kids think popey is some kind of deity after we made those cakes.
[13:34] <lazarus_> hi all
[13:36] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Spot on about Virgin not doing IPv6. They have "plenty of free IPv4 addresses" apparently.
[13:37] <MooDoo> JamesTait: yeah that's what i read in forums last night :)
[13:38]  * JamesTait hands Virgin Media a pair of glasses. Talk about myopic.
[13:39] <JamesTait> In the meantime, I got set up with a tunnel from SixXS.
[13:39] <dwatkins> I guess I should setup a tunnel, not that I really know what I'd do with it, i.e. when I'd need it.
[13:40] <brobostigon> dwatkins: freenode over ipv6, ipv6.chat.freenode.net :), ipv6.google.com  www.v6.facebook.com
[13:40] <popey> haha JamesTait
[13:40] <JamesTait> popey: Of course, we've all known that for years.... ;)
[13:40] <Darael> Not that ipv6.chat.freenode.net is necessary if one's client prefers v6.
[13:41] <brobostigon> Darael: good point, easy to set in irssi.
[13:41]  * JamesTait wonders if his does.
[13:41] <Darael> And ditto Google if using Hurricane Electric DNS.
[13:41] <Darael> brobostigon: Precisely.
[13:41] <Darael> Or any other DNS that Google provide quad-A records to, actually.
[13:42]  * popey cuddles JamesTait 
[13:42]  * JamesTait purrs.
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> sorry about that
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> v6 \o/
[13:43] <brobostigon> :)
[13:43]  * MartijnVdS isn't a pro irssi wranger, apparently
[13:43] <JamesTait> Judging by my netstat output, me too. :)
[13:44] <dutchie> the real reason for not setting reverse ipv6 dns: because there is no point having ipv6 unless people on irc can see it
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> 14:43 [FreeNode] -!- Irssi: Connecting to ipv6.chat.freenode.net  [2001:19f0:feee::dead:beef:cafe] port 6667
[13:44] <popey> i should probably consider ipv6 on my bitfolk vps at some point
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> "dead beef cafe", rly?
[13:44] <jpds> Thankfully most of the Ubuntu mirrors have had v6 for a while.
[13:44] <brobostigon> jpds: yes, :)
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> jpds: Facebook has a v6 page, Google is available over v6
[13:45] <JamesTait> Oh that's what that address is! I was seeing it in my UFW logs and wondering!
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> When reddit and imgur add v6 support, I can disable v4 ;)
[13:45] <dutchie> haha
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: google includes youtube.. :)
[13:46] <andylockran> giwdt akk
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: Welsh?
[13:47] <DJones> or a hangover
[13:47] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: not enough 'L's
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: good point
[13:48] <brobostigon> plenty of welsh words with no l's.
[13:49] <screen-x> doesnt have enough repeats to be sleeping cat syndrome..
[13:49] <screen-x> brobostigon: well, it has a k in it, which doesn't exist in welsh (iirc)
[13:50] <brobostigon> screen-x: good point,
[13:50] <dwatkins> brobostigon: thanks, I will look into it
[13:51] <popey> it's "howdy all" with his fingers in the wrong place.
[13:51] <brobostigon> dwatkins: :)
[13:52] <JamesTait> Who needs Enigma machines when we've got popey?
[13:53] <screen-x> JamesTait: are you after a SAP job?
[13:53] <JamesTait> Not flippin' likely!
[13:54] <popey> wise
[13:55] <JamesTait> Anyone going to UDS?
[13:56] <CaMason> is there a simple way to remove some of the old kernels?
[13:56] <popey> CaMason: install cruft-removal tool
[13:56] <popey> or computer janitor or whatever it's called
[13:56] <popey> !find computer-janitor-gtk
[13:56] <CaMason> thanks
[13:56] <popey> careful though, it can remove more than you want
[13:56] <popey> make sure to untick anything you dont want removed
[13:57] <CaMason> running the janitor tool now
[14:00] <screen-x> popey: find would be useful in here :)
[14:01] <popey> oh, doh
[14:03] <MooDoo> JamesTait: when is it this time?
[14:04] <MooDoo> ah may
[14:04] <popey> usually may/oct
[14:05] <MooDoo> omg popey just popped up all large like :S
[14:05] <popey> que?
[14:05] <MooDoo> popey: you're on one of the rotating umages with jono :)
[14:05] <MooDoo> s/images
[14:06] <popey> heh, where?
[14:06] <JamesTait> MooDoo: 9th - 13th May.
[14:06] <MooDoo> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[14:06] <popey> oh yeah :)
[14:06] <popey> scary pic
[14:06] <MooDoo> popey: my first though was "That's POPEY" :)
[14:06] <popey> lol
[14:06] <popey> * Other community members are available
[14:07] <MooDoo> i didn't even realise it was jono until i had another look lol
[14:08] <screen-x> brilliant DOF in that pic, spot on.
[14:08] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:08] <JamesTait> I will be there this time. :)
[14:08] <JamesTait> This pleases me.
[14:08] <MooDoo> hello czajkowski arrived safetly?
[14:09] <czajkowski> :)
[14:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski: silly question, just checking though :)
[14:11] <Pendulum> czajkowski: why are you wasting time on IRC? go fet your beer and chocolate :P
[14:11] <czajkowski> I need to shower
[14:11] <czajkowski> check mail
[14:11] <czajkowski> and find patrick
[14:11] <czajkowski> keith arrives later
[14:11] <Pendulum> *fetch
[14:11] <Pendulum> ah
[14:11] <czajkowski> then jon
[14:13] <MooDoo> then pub?
[14:13] <czajkowski> yes
[14:13] <czajkowski> need to watch rugby game
[14:14]  * brobostigon hopes the right team wins, :)
[14:14] <davisc> C'mon Wales ;-p
[14:14] <brobostigon> davisc: :)
[14:15]  * davisc is the only one in the office today wearing a rygby shirt
[14:15]  * screen-x would be the only one in the office not cheering wales (if he was at work..)
[14:15] <brobostigon> rugby*
[14:16] <brobostigon> i support both though.
[14:18] <MooDoo> typical, first match and i'm out watching peter kay :S
[14:19] <brobostigon> MooDoo: get_iplayer to the rescue.
[14:19] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm recording it, i'll watch it when i get home
[14:20] <brobostigon> MooDoo: good plan.
[14:20] <MooDoo> then again i need to watch alice part 2 as well :D
[14:20] <nigelb> 52
[14:20] <nigelb> gah
[14:20] <adampc> Hi  all :)
[14:20] <adampc> Long time no see..
[14:21] <adampc> brobostigon:  ;)
[14:21] <MooDoo> adampc: hello
[14:21] <adampc> hehe MooDoo
[14:21] <brobostigon> adampc: afternoonings :)
[14:21] <adampc> Just got my Broadband back on lads :P
[14:21] <MooDoo> yay
[14:21] <adampc> Afternoonings hha
[14:21] <adampc> 30Mbps :P wooo
[14:21] <MooDoo> ooo nice, did you upgrade or new purchase?
[14:21] <MooDoo> virgin right?
[14:21] <adampc> new customer MooDoo yeah VM
[14:22] <popey> \o/ virgin
[14:22] <adampc> got the super hub lol
[14:22] <MooDoo> cool, i can upgrade from my 20 for 15 quid or soemthing like that
[14:22] <adampc> its nice, modem an router in one I can see it getting overloaded with alot of infomation but it is netgear so will let em off ;P
[14:22] <adampc> nice, mines just 32 a month with out the phone line
[14:23] <MooDoo> awesome, were on sky so only need phone and broadband
[14:25] <daubers>  /o\ vm :(
[14:25] <MooDoo> although that means bugger all if i don't make my vps's restart grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[14:26] <seeker> adampc: 30Mbps? Is that all? :P
[14:28] <seeker> 35 Mbps ftw
[14:29]  * daubers notes some missing "upto"'s
[14:30]  * seeker doesn't 
[14:30] <seeker> That's about my average
[14:30] <daubers> I pay for 24 and average about 23, so I'm happy enough :)
[14:31] <seeker> And about 7 Mbps upload too
[14:31] <screen-x> I pay for up to 8, and get 1 and a bit.
[14:31] <screen-x> fail-wales :p
[14:31] <popey> \o/ 20Mb
[14:31] <MooDoo> +1 popey
[14:32] <bigcalm> Happy with that
[14:32] <paradigmflow> how do you use the zoom feature? It says super+4, however nothing zooms using the windoze key+numpad 4?
[14:32]  * bigcalm returns from exercise and collapses
[14:32] <brobostigon> screen-x: i wouldnt say that over in #ubuntu-cym though,  :(
[14:33]  * seeker remembers Popey getting 20Mbit Internet and wondering why he was only seeing 10Mbit, before realising he had a 10Mbit switch between him and the router
[14:33] <popey> :)
[14:33] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:34] <screen-x> paradigmflow: mouse button 4 probably
[14:34] <daubers> Was that actually a switch or was it a hub? I've not seen a 10Mb switch in quite some time
[14:34] <popey> paradigmflow: mouse wheel
[14:34] <screen-x> paradigmflow: which is usually scroll up or down
[14:34] <popey> daubers: pedants -> that way
[14:34] <daubers> popey: No, actually interested :) Found someone who had a gigabit hub the other day, confused the hell out of me
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> Good parenting or bad parenting? http://cgi.ebay.com/Selling-8-Beyblades-Replace-DESTOYED-Bathtub-/280625155361?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4156900d21#ht_500wt_959
[14:35] <paradigmflow> nope, nothing :$
[14:36] <paradigmflow> it's a sentinel twin lazer gaming mouse
[14:36] <popey> MartijnVdS: bad
[14:37] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: indifferent
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just look at the picture
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: can't be good
[14:38] <popey> probably a joke
[14:38] <popey> no idea what they told the kids to get them to react like that
[14:38] <MooDoo> daubers: everything on my lan is gigabit apart from my 100mb switch :S
[14:38] <MooDoo> doh!
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://www.google.com/images?q=face+palm
[14:39] <MooDoo> popey: any ideas on location for oggcamp11?
[14:39] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: oh i know :D
[14:40] <popey> MooDoo: see my tweet?
[14:40] <MooDoo> popey: yesh, looking at venues one?
[14:40] <popey> ya
[14:41] <MooDoo> just being nosey :)
[14:41] <popey> seen a few
[14:41] <popey> suggestions for more welcome as always
[14:41] <MooDoo> popey: http://www.antenna.uk.com/ :D
[14:42] <popey> we've already decided it's down south
[14:42] <MooDoo> ah ok
[14:43] <seeker> Down south \o/
[14:44] <popey> \o/ indeed
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> the deep south
[14:44] <jpds> .au? Seems a bit far away.
[14:44] <MooDoo> might try setting up something up here, a lot of people said they liked nottingham yesterday :D
[14:45] <seeker> Deepest, darkest Hampshire?
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> seeker: tip of Cornwall
[14:45] <Myrtti> Littlehampton
[14:46] <popey> \o/ south coast
[14:46] <seeker> Hey Myrtti
[14:46] <Myrtti> ohai
[14:50] <screen-x> popey: south coast ++
[15:19] <dutchie> popey: anywhere on the paddington - malvern train line is great for me :)
[15:19] <bigcalm> Ah, fond memories
[15:30] <HazRPG> afternoon \o
[15:30] <MooDoo> HazRPG: hullo
[15:31] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[15:36] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[16:03] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[16:05] <Pendulum> hiya Myrtti
[16:06]  * screen-x is getting bored of this now. 
[16:07] <MooDoo> screen-x: bored of what?
[16:08] <screen-x> MooDoo: flaky connection :(
[16:08] <MooDoo> booo
[16:14] <bigcalm> Rackspace dedicated server running Plesk Parallels - anybody know where vhost log files are kept?
[16:16] <MooDoo> bigcalm: /var/www/vhosts?
[16:16] <MooDoo> grep VHOST /etc/psa/psa.conf
[16:16] <bigcalm> MooDoo: the vhosts are there, but not the log files
[16:16] <MooDoo> at a guess
[16:16] <bigcalm> Good idea
[16:17] <screen-x> not directly related, but piwik \o/
[16:17] <daubers> screen-x: Where's your connection going through?
[16:17] <bigcalm>  within the vhost
[16:17] <bigcalm> It's /statistics/logs
[16:17] <bigcalm>  within the vhost
[16:17] <MooDoo> cool
[16:17]  * bigcalm slaps paste
[16:18]  * MooDoo kisses google :)
[16:18] <screen-x> daubers: I run a bip proxy on an old laptop at home, however my home ADSL connection is yoyoing today :(
[16:19] <daubers> :(
[16:22] <bigcalm> ARGH!
[16:22] <jpds> bigcalm: Just stay calm.
[16:22] <bigcalm> How do I get Tesco to stop spamming me? I've told them to not send me any emails 5 times now
[16:25] <davisc> bigcalm: procmail > /dev/null
[16:26] <daubers> bigcalm: Bounce it back to them?
[16:26] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:26]  * daubers despairs at the 30 files of test data that now needs to be analysed
[16:41] <Azelphur> just tried ticking enable ipv6 on my dd-wrt router, it didn't work :-(
[16:42] <iulian> bigcalm: 6 might be your lucky number. ;)
[16:44] <screen-x> Azelphur: does your ISP provide native ip6, or are you using a tunnel?
[16:44] <Azelphur> My ISP has apparently been providing it native for years
[16:44] <Azelphur> http://noc.enta.net/ipv6-over-xdsl/
[16:50] <screen-x> Azelphur: could you use a packet sniffer on the external interface, and see if any RAs are coming in?
[16:51] <Azelphur> screen-x: nah, as I said to my brother I'm not particularly hyped over IPv6
[16:51] <Azelphur> if it doesn't work with a simple button press I'm too lazy :P
[16:51] <jpds> Azelphur: Call enta? ... . Profit?
[16:51] <Azelphur> probably switching away from enta soon too
[16:51] <jpds> You're doing it wrong for future internets.
[16:52] <Azelphur> nope, the developers are doing it wrong for future internets
[16:52]  * brobostigon would kill for native ipv6, and has the hw to do it.
[16:52] <Azelphur> if I can't press a button and have it enabled, it's not going to work over all anyway
[16:52] <jpds> brobostigon: Sounds a bit extreme.
[16:52] <screen-x> Azelphur: we'll have to use IPv6 once ISPs start nating ADSL IPv4 addresses.
[16:53] <Azelphur> yea
[16:53] <Azelphur> if it becomes an issue I'll obviously be more interested :)
[16:53] <brobostigon> jpds: iwould kill, just an expression.
[16:53] <brobostigon> Azelphur: its anissue already.
[16:53] <Azelphur> *shrug* everything works for now
[16:53] <brobostigon> it wont for long though.
[16:54] <Azelphur> when my ISP announces "IPv6 or NAT"
[16:54] <Azelphur> then it'll be an issue ;)
[16:54] <Azelphur> then I'll be sitting down spending hours and calling up the ISP to try and get it working
[16:54] <Azelphur> xD
[16:54] <brobostigon> you dont need NAT in ipv6, its redundant,
[16:55] <Azelphur> brobostigon: but I like my nat
[16:55] <Azelphur> why don't you need a NAT in ipv6?
[16:55] <directhex> choo choo
[16:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:55] <directhex> Azelphur, because every human can have billions of IPs without risk of using them all up
[16:56] <Azelphur> yea I understand that part
[16:56] <screen-x> Azelphur: enough public addresses, so dont need to reuse private space
[16:56] <jpds> Azelphur: Your homework for today, read: http://www.ja.net/documents/publications/technical-guides/ipv6-tech-guide-for-web.pdf
[16:56] <brobostigon> :)
[16:56] <Azelphur> but a NAT is a important security feature for the web
[16:56] <screen-x> no
[16:56] <Azelphur> yup :o
[16:56] <Azelphur> it saves all the windows noobs from remote exploits xD
[16:56] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i would justsetup a decent firewall.
[16:56] <Azelphur> brobostigon: that would work
[16:57] <brobostigon> Azelphur: and getrid of nat at the same time, :)
[16:57] <Azelphur> :)
[16:59] <jpds> Azelphur: Windows has the IPv6 privacy extensions enabled by default.
[16:59] <Azelphur> jpds: windows also doesn't have any security
[16:59] <Azelphur> :P
[17:00] <Azelphur> a firewall to block incoming connections is pretty essential to a windows machine imo
[17:00] <screen-x> Azelphur:  it only takes one line of iptables to drop all new incoming connections, which gets you the same level of protection as nat.
[17:00] <Azelphur> yea, Linux is fine
[17:00] <Azelphur> it's Windows I'm laughing at
[17:00] <AlanBell> Azelphur: no, you do the iptables on the router
[17:00] <screen-x> AlanBell: yep
[17:01] <popey> no, you press the "make it work" button on the firewall
[17:01] <Azelphur> (16:56:38) brobostigon: Azelphur: i would justsetup a decent firewall. (16:56:46) Azelphur: brobostigon: that would work
[17:01] <popey> normal humans dont use iptables
[17:01] <Azelphur> we had this discussion already :D
[17:01] <AlanBell> that too
[17:01] <popey> exactly
[17:01] <screen-x> yes, which hopefully does some iptables underneath
[17:01] <popey> so stop moaning :)
[17:01] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:01]  * screen-x writes iptables scripts, so either isnt normal or isnt human
[17:01] <Azelphur> ^ both
[17:02] <screen-x> most annoying things about osx so far: no iptables and no "ip" command.
[17:02]  * screen-x cant be bothered to learn pf
[17:03]  * jpds sees an increasing amount of laziness reported in this channel.
[17:05] <daubers> jpds: I'd argue against that.... but can't be bothered
[17:06]  * screen-x reads man 8 ipfw
[17:10] <daubers> Azelphur: a firewall woul do that
[17:16]  * AlanBell has the map on beta.ubuntu-uk.org working
[17:16] <popey> yay
[17:16] <brobostigon> cool
[17:17] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[17:17] <AlanBell> you *have* to click the search link to the right of geographical position before submitting
[17:17]  * AlanBell is going to change that a bit
[17:18] <bigcalm> What's with the odd tab index?
[17:19] <bigcalm> Tab from Subtitle goes to e-mail
[17:19] <bigcalm> Skipping Description
[17:20]  * bigcalm awaits moderation
[17:25] <AlanBell> bigcalm: oops, can you try again
[17:26] <AlanBell> you put a pin on the map called "test map", which I just deleted and replace with one called "ubuntu uk"
[17:26] <bigcalm> :)
[17:26] <bigcalm> You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
[17:26] <bigcalm> ...
[17:29] <bigcalm> Did my submission not work?
[17:31] <AlanBell> hmm, no, just have the first one
[17:33] <AlanBell> I trashed your last one so it should let you post again
[17:33] <AlanBell> there is a standard wordpress flooding filter that you tripped
[17:41] <bigcalm> Nope, stopped me again
[17:44] <AlanBell> bother
[17:44] <AlanBell> timezones and things look right
[17:46] <bigcalm> No worries :)
[17:54] <bigcalm> http://www.angryflower.com/revolt.html # topical :)
[18:14] <dutchie> http://i.imgur.com/IoNRk.jpg
[18:29]  * davisc debates an intrepid to lucid upgrade
[18:31] <dwatkins> interesting, dutchie
[19:26] <jacobw> evening channel
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:34] <brobostigon> evening MartijnVdS
[19:35] <DJones> Good evening and welcome to the weekend
[19:35] <brobostigon> :)
[19:37]  * MartijnVdS listens to She & Him on vinyl
[19:39]  * DJones wonders if webpigeon_laptop needs faster typing skills to identify to login to freenode
[19:39]  * jacobw has a shiny new Nexus S
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> DJones: or better client config
[19:40] <webpigeon_laptop> DJones, nickserv is in league with my toaster, nether like me :P
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon_laptop: irssi? :)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon_laptop: I have a piece of irssi config that makes talking to nickserv obsolete :)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> (it works by supplying a username/password to the irc server on connect)
[19:41] <DJones> webpigeon_laptop: :)
[19:41] <webpigeon_laptop> MartijnVdS, xchat, it just fails to id on login sometimes :P
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> it just fails :P
[19:41] <webpigeon_laptop> My quassel deamon works better, I just don't have quassel client on this mashine :P
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> quassel, isn't that the routing software/
[19:42] <webpigeon_laptop> It's an irc server-client setup
[19:43] <webpigeon_laptop> The server runs on this mashine, the clients run on my laptop
[19:43] <webpigeon_laptop> it's just a pain to make it work over ssh (have to forward the port with -L first :|)
[19:44] <DJones> webpigeon_laptop: I use irssi & have no problem logging in  identifying
[19:44] <webpigeon_laptop> DJones, I used to use irssi but haven't in ages, the key bindings don't agree with me :P
[19:44] <DJones> same as you, i've got it running on a server inside screen & connect with ssh
[19:45] <webpigeon_laptop> My current setup is freenode->quassel-core->quassel-client || freenode->xchat
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> ah
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> confused it with quagga :)
[19:46] <webpigeon_laptop> :)
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> oh well, qua*
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> quiet night here?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> s/night/evening
[20:01] <DJones> Yep, people are probably in the pub/eating tea/collecting eggs
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> collecting eggs? Easter isn't for another 2 months at least
[20:12] <dwatkins> The shops already have a bunch of eggs anyways
[20:13] <DJones> Tell that to AlanBell
[20:13]  * AlanBell has eggs
[20:13] <Baikonur> i just had fajitas
[20:13] <ali1234> is the easter bunny supposed to actually *lay* those eggs, or does it just deliver them? if so, where do they come from?
[20:15] <ali1234> i mean santa has a proper backstory that is internally consistent but this easter bunny stuff just seems like it was thrown together
[20:16] <Baikonur> bunny is a symbol for fertility
[20:16] <Baikonur> as are eggs
[20:16] <brobostigon> ali1234: as a childrens story, told to children, i dont think its meant to be analised  logically like that.
[20:16] <Baikonur> it's a pagan fertility festival
[20:16] <DJones> ali1234: http://i.abimg.net/images/answers/41746/2547779/bunnyhen.jpg?1296775510a
[20:17] <DJones> I think that explains a lot
[20:38] <popey> AlanBell: you always have eggs!
[20:38] <popey> I had a wrap, which contained chicken!
[20:38] <popey> (no eggs were harmed in the making of my wrap)
[20:38]  * DJones is eating a chicken pie
[20:40] <jacobw> (but a chicken was)
[20:41] <popey> indeed
[20:43] <sgeh> hi
[20:43] <sgeh> is there an ubuntu channel for arabs?
[20:43] <DJones> !ar
[20:43] <AlanBell> nope!
[20:43] <Azelphur> haha
[20:43] <DJones> Wrong one
[20:43] <AlanBell> not there
[20:43] <DJones> !arabic
[20:44] <sgeh> interesting
[20:44] <sgeh> tanks
[20:45] <DJones> I wonder how somebody looking for an arabic ubuntu channel would join -uk? while using a shell
[20:45] <popey> maybe they are british?
[20:45] <popey> just a guess :)
[20:46] <DJones> True
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> DJones: because the UK is almost an arab state!</##politics> :P
[20:55] <popey> o_O
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: Sorry, Wilders was in the news again
[20:59] <popey> :)
[21:02] <adampc> Loving the homepage #ubuntu-uk
[21:02] <adampc> ;)
[21:15] <adampc> Hi guys I have a problem upgrading to 10.10 :/ - Here is a screenshot of what it said when I tryed upgraded: http://i51.tinypic.com/2wqqqgm.png
[21:15] <adampc> Any help would be great, tanks.
[21:15] <adampc> upgrading*
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> adampc: did you do any of the suggested things that might have caused it?
[21:22] <SuperMatt> well it looks like you have an issue setting new software channels, so I would assume that maybe it's having difficulty with your /etc/apt/sources file
[21:22] <SuperMatt> remove anything in there that isn't part of a default install
[21:44] <adampc> Thanks guys :)
[21:51] <popey> no point
[21:51] <popey> the upgrade does that anyway
[22:35] <dogmatic69> could someone please help me with a ppa error, its driving me mad http://bin.cakephp.org/view/839219722
[22:37] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: i do believe the arduino  IDe is now inthe mainrepos, and you dont need a ppa anymore, i maybe wrong though.
[22:37] <brobostigon> !info arduino
[22:37] <brobostigon> spoton,
[22:37] <dogmatic69> im running it off git
[22:37] <dogmatic69> latest is 22 and i got an uno, so 18 does nothing
[22:37] <popey> dogmatic69: that ppa doesnt contain anything for maverick
[22:38] <popey> http://ppa.launchpad.net/arduino-ubuntu-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[22:38] <dogmatic69> uno was released a few weeks back
[22:38] <popey> so you need to remove those lines from your sources
[22:38] <dogmatic69> i think it was added somehow.. need to 'remove' it
[22:38] <dogmatic69> i just installed ppa-purge but no dice
[22:39] <brobostigon> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.lst
[22:39] <brobostigon> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[22:39] <brobostigon> apt-get update
[22:39] <madman2021> hHey
[22:40] <popey> depends which sources file its in brobostigon
[22:40] <madman2021> Anyone care to help me with a LITTLE php ?
[22:40] <brobostigon> popey: good point, i am preuming.
[22:40] <popey> could be in /etc/apt/sources.list or in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[22:41] <brobostigon> true, yes.
[22:43] <dogmatic69> popey: should i just rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/arduino-ubuntu-team-ppa-maverick.list
[22:43] <dogmatic69> nothing in the first option
[22:43] <popey> yes
[22:44] <dogmatic69> cool
[22:46] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[22:46] <dogmatic69> \o/ think its working
[22:46] <dogmatic69> thanks popey / brobostigon
[22:46] <brobostigon> :)
[22:46] <popey> np
[22:46] <dogmatic69> where are you guys btw?
[22:47] <popey> I'm in farnborough
[22:47] <brobostigon> north oxfordshire.
[22:47] <brobostigon> banbury,
[22:47] <dogmatic69> far away then
[22:47] <dogmatic69> im in bham
[22:48] <brobostigon> iamnot faroff then.
[22:48] <brobostigon> me tired,
[22:49] <brobostigon> good night all, sleepwell.
[23:13] <dogmatic69> could anyone tell me if this is a decent setup to start with...
[23:13] <dogmatic69> i got ssh only login on my server, pw is disabled and rules in the iptables to ban with 4 bad tries in 60 seconds
[23:13] <dogmatic69> is there more i can do to make it better, or is that ok?
[23:29] <dutchie> dogmatic69: you can automate the iptables banning with fail2ban and/or denyhosts
[23:30] <dogmatic69> dutchie: its automatic atm, if you try login 4 times within 60 seconds you are banned
[23:30] <dutchie> yeah, but fail2ban/denyhosts require no iptables knowledge :)
[23:30] <dogmatic69> just looking through the logs, ive had about 20 attempts in total over 5 days
[23:31] <dutchie> root login disabled?
[23:31] <dogmatic69> think so
[23:32] <dogmatic69> i have something like this setup
[23:32] <dogmatic69> sudo iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set --name SSH
[23:32] <dogmatic69> sudo iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 8 --rttl --name SSH -j DROP
[23:32] <dogmatic69> but --hitcount 4
[23:32] <dutchie> if you want to be more paranoid, move ssh off port 22
[23:32] <dutchie> i have found that is more bother than it is worth though
[23:33] <zleap> you could simply open up a different port on the router and then port forward that to port 22 on the computer you are sshing in to
[23:33] <dogmatic69> o.o
[23:33] <dogmatic69> im a noob, that sounds like chines :D
[23:34] <zleap> ssh -o port number iirc
[23:34] <zleap> ssh -p port number iirc
[23:34] <zleap> 2nd one sorry
[23:34] <dogmatic69> ok, but then all my ssh aliases will be broken?
[23:34] <dutchie> use .ssh/config
[23:34] <zleap> ah
[23:35] <dogmatic69> i got things in config now
[23:36] <dogmatic69> would i just add :port then?
[23:36] <dutchie> Port 1234
[23:36] <dutchie> or whatever you choose
[23:39] <dogmatic69> i need to figure out this port stuff, wanna get my home box opened to the net so i can access it from work
[23:40] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: I started to try and understand iptables, then I discovered shorewall.
[23:40] <zleap> i just installed open ssh server then configured my routher to point to the rioght network ip addy and it works i can ssh from netbook to my computer at hpome of its on
[23:40] <dogmatic69> i can ssh if im on the wifi, but not from external
[23:41] <dogmatic69> got ssh server running
[23:41] <zleap> you need to config the routher then
[23:41] <zleap> router
[23:41] <dogmatic69> but when i tried to do the router i broke it
[23:41] <dogmatic69> :/
[23:41] <dogmatic69> redirect loops and stuff
[23:42] <NativeAngels> Hello
[23:43] <dogmatic69> o/
[23:45] <NativeAngels> Has anyone had experience of dell poweredge servers
[23:54] <dogmatic69> NativeAngels: more specific questions will get you some help
[23:54] <dutchie> though not necessarily, it is nearly midnight on a friday night
[23:54] <dutchie> people might have lives!