[00:10] <nhaines> rww: Not just for that, but for historical reasons as well.  A lot of programs have C: hardcoded.
[00:24] <nhaines> I'm running SuSE 9.3 on my secondary system here, temporarily.
[00:25] <nhaines> Natty alpha 2 didn't work out so hot so it was a good opportunity.  But man, so many duplicate programs over 5 CDs.  :)
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: still an issue with a black screen on install?
[01:57] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: issue with gnome-panel doesn't run in Classic Mode.
[02:41] <MarkDude> Yay for wifi on public transportation
[02:41] <MarkDude> HWY17 bus ftw
[02:46] <akk> Nice!
[02:49] <MarkDude> Not super fast - it works tho :)
[02:49] <akk> Any access is way better than no access.
[02:49] <akk> Unless you're trying to follow the route on google earth or something. :)
[02:50] <MarkDude> lol
[02:50] <MarkDude> If you take cal train also- you could have it all the way
[02:50] <akk> They have wifi now?
[02:51] <akk> (and they're whining about how they have to raise fares AGAIN?)
[02:51] <MarkDude> I guess not
[02:51]  * MarkDude googled it :)
[02:55] <MarkDude> Still feels like I am from the future
[02:56] <MarkDude> quite a few people are using the net now, and it is better than most conferences I have been to
[04:03] <nhaines> lfitz: Good evening.  :)
[05:21] <nhaines> Breaking news, Jane Silber is scheduled to give Sunday's keynote at SCaLE, 27 February 2011.
[05:24] <pleia2> yeah, we've got Leigh and Jane - Ubuntu Members rule SCaLE! ;)
[18:48] <jono> hey all
[18:48] <jono> any coders here want to help with some dev testing next week?
[18:49] <jamiedmattingly> hi jono
[18:49] <jono> hey jamiedmattingly
[18:49] <jono> this testing will be in the bay area
[18:49] <jamiedmattingly> testing sounds like fun where at?
[18:49] <jono> jamiedmattingly, where are you based?
[18:49] <jono> I want to do it in the SF area
[18:50] <jamiedmattingly> live in vallejo work in sonoma
[18:50] <jono> jamiedmattingly, having you got development experience?
[18:51] <jamiedmattingly> still new to it. but learning python now. prolly not enough for what you need huh?
[18:51] <jono> jamiedmattingly, you are perfect!
[18:51] <jono> this is aimed at new devs using Python!
[18:52] <jono> let me check out schedule to see which slot is open
[18:52] <jono> jamiedmattingly, would you be free on Tues at 2pm?
[18:53] <jamiedmattingly> aqctually i work mon to fri 7-4 unless it is something i can do online from here
[18:53] <jono> ahhh, np
[18:53] <jono> no this is in person
[18:53] <jono> would anyone else be interested in helping on Tues at 2pm?
[18:53] <jamiedmattingly> if in person and through week has to be after 4 if that is ok if not sorry jono
[18:54] <jono> jamiedmattingly, no worries!
[18:54] <nUboon2Age> jono: i just got on, what is the event again?
[18:54] <jono> nUboon2Age, a dev testing session face to face
[18:54] <jono> I am looking for a volunteer in the bay area
[18:55] <nUboon2Age> what is the location jono?
[18:55] <jono> nUboon2Age, San Francisco area
[18:56] <nUboon2Age> so no specific location jono?
[18:56] <nUboon2Age> i'm in the SF Bay area jono
[18:56] <nUboon2Age> i'd probably be interested jono
[18:57] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  did you get to play with your new toy yet?
[18:58] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yes :) and blogged about it
[18:58] <pleia2> planet.ubuntu-california.org
[18:58] <jamiedmattingly> you saved me from typing my next question :)
[18:59] <jamiedmattingly> did you really get a hamster in a wheel with it pleia2?
[18:59] <pleia2> I wish!
[18:59] <pleia2> although, it doesn't get very hot, maybe it IS powered by a very thin hamster
[19:00] <jamiedmattingly> lol
[19:04] <akk> ooh, pleia2, nice toy!
[19:07] <jamiedmattingly> impressive blog pleia2 you can really write
[19:07] <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Hour @ Palo Alto TONIGHT!  7pm Tandoori Oven (2 doors down from Antonio's Nut House).  Details and RSVP:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/650/detail/  pleia2, aaditya, akk, crashsystems, crashsystems1, jledbetter, jamiedmattingly, jamiedmattingly, jono, pleia2, kdub, jtatum,
[19:07] <jono> nUboon2Age, are you a coder?
[19:08] <jamiedmattingly> palo is alittle out of my range plus i have to watch kids tonight nUboon2Age but thanks
[19:08] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: thanks :)
[19:08] <jedahan> pleia2, could you recommend a coworking space ?
[19:08] <nUboon2Age> jono: yes, what language are you wanting amigo?
[19:09] <jamiedmattingly> i did find a pretty good sized starbucks here in vallejo for an ubuntu hour just not sure what to do if i schedule one
[19:09] <akk> nUboon2Age: I'm still getting over that cold ... might not last that long today, will see.
[19:09] <pleia2> jedahan: I went to an event at Nextspace a while back, they do day passes (I think you get one free, and you can buy them) so you can check it out: http://nextspace.us/
[19:09] <pleia2> http://nextspace.us/
[19:09] <nUboon2Age> akk: any time at all would be great!
[19:10] <jono> nUboon2Age, preferably Python, what do you code in
[19:10] <jono> ?
[19:11]  * pleia2 liberal with paste button
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> hey jono
[19:12] <jono> hey DarkwingDuck
[19:12] <jono> hows things, pal?
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> jono: still can't find a job but, things are going really well. :)
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> jono: been working on python :)
[19:13] <jono> DarkwingDuck, cool!
[19:13] <jono> DarkwingDuck, are you in the bay area?
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> jono: I'm in San Diego but, if the job is right I'll move :)
[19:14] <jono> ahhh
[19:14] <jono> this isnt a job
[19:14] <jono> it is developer testing :-)
[19:14] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh that. I wish I could when I heard about it.
[19:14] <DarkwingDuck> jono: you going to be at scale?
[19:14] <nUboon2Age> i'm a beginner in python jono,  Java used to be my primary, i'm a JCP and used to work for Sun in TCK stuff but i took a loooooong break and am rusty right now.  Also a LOT of C coding back when, Perl, Turbo Pascal w/ Objects, C++, Basic, DOS batch scripting, assembly, etc., etc., etc.,
[19:15] <jono> DarkwingDuck, not sure yet, I might be in the studio
[19:15] <nUboon2Age> Software Enginneer who took a looooooong break. :-)
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> jono: awesome! I've started playing bass again
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> jono: have you played with SL4A yet?
[19:15] <jono> DarkwingDuck, nice!
[19:16] <jono> DarkwingDuck, SL4A?
[19:16] <nUboon2Age> oh, and i play guitar, bass, keyboard, sing and a bit of drums jono. :-)
[19:16] <akk> scripting languages for Android
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> Scripting Language for Android
[19:16] <jono> nUboon2Age, and would you be free on Tues at 2pm?
[19:16] <jedahan> pleia2, ahh nextspace is right near me cool
[19:16] <nUboon2Age> yes jono
[19:16] <akk> DarkwingDuck: Have you? I keep wanting to but haven't had time yet.
[19:16] <pleia2> jedahan: huh, which one? the SF one is about 2 blocks from me
[19:16] <jono> nUboon2Age, do you think you could get into San Francisco for that time?
[19:17] <nUboon2Age> yes jono
[19:17] <jono> nUboon2Age, woo!
[19:17] <jono> awesome
[19:17] <DarkwingDuck> akk: I was poking at it yesterday. There is a big writeup in Linux Journal about it.
[19:17] <jedahan> pleia2, I am staying at a hostel in the TenderLoin. Well closet to tenderknob but yeah, thats in the financial district right?
[19:17] <jono> nUboon2Age, I am just going to confirm a location and I will get back to you :-)
[19:17] <jedahan> its like a 5 minute bike ride
[19:17] <nUboon2Age> ty jedahan
[19:17] <nUboon2Age> ty jono
[19:17] <pleia2> jedahan: yep, nextspace is in the financial district :)
[19:17] <jamiedmattingly> anyone else here in or near north bay that wouldnt mind coordinating for an ubuntu hour here?
[19:17] <akk> DarkwingDuck: Yeah, saw that, need to work through it! Though I gather people can't run your scripts unless they also have SL4A and python?
[19:17] <nUboon2Age> hopefully Caltrain accessible jono
[19:17] <nUboon2Age> or not too far from.
[19:18] <jono> nUboon2Age, no worries
[19:18] <DarkwingDuck> akk: but, if you build those dependancies into the apk it *should* work.
[19:18] <nUboon2Age> i broke my arm recently so i have to get everywhere by mass transit and walking
[19:18] <nUboon2Age> i can't ride my bike even. :-/
[19:18] <akk> DarkwingDuck: Oh, cool -- that definitely makes it more attractive.
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> akk: Although, it would bloat the size of the APK
[19:19] <akk> DarkwingDuck: I wonder how much the apk would compare to a java one, though? Any idea?
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> I don't know...
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> akk: I think what I'll do is take a RSS reader and port it to python and compare the two
[19:20] <akk> I'm also surprised you (apparently) can't make a web app into an apk ... apps made of html and javascript.
[19:20] <jamiedmattingly> am i seriously the only one here from northbay
[19:20] <jamiedmattingly> ??
[19:21] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: might also want to try the mailing list, there are 200+ folks on that :)
[19:21] <akk> DarkwingDuck: Oh, good idea, I should try porting my feedreader to python (except I'm not sure they have enough APIs in AL4A python).
[19:21] <akk> DarkwingDuck: I'd love to hear what you think after you try it.
[19:22] <DarkwingDuck> akk: I'm going to play with it this month pretty deeply
[19:22] <DarkwingDuck> akk: we can compare notes at Scale :)
[19:22] <jdeslip> akk: You can basically make an web-app into an apk - just use one webview
[19:22] <akk> DarkwingDuck: Great! Looking forward to it.
[19:22] <jamiedmattingly> how do i do mailing list/
[19:23] <jamiedmattingly> ?
[19:23] <akk> jdeslip: I know how to make a java app with a webview plus pages, but that requires java and eclipse.
[19:23] <akk> (well, not eclipse, but some compilation environment, anyway)
[19:24] <jdeslip> akk: Well ... not much java ;) If you do all the heaving lifting in javascript.  Just need java to create the webview.
[19:24] <akk> Sure, I know, just would be nice to avoid all that extra mechanism when a web viewer is already built in to android.
[19:25] <akk> It means anyone else who works on the project also has to have java and the SDKs set up on their machines.
[19:28] <akk> jamiedmattingly: There are a couple of concord/antioch people on http://shallowsky.com/maps/geeknic/ (when you said north bay earlier I thought you meant Marin).
[19:30] <jamiedmattingly> thanks akk. northbay is anything past vallejo like fairfield vacaville and such concord and antioch are east bay which is still easier than palo for me
[19:32] <akk> jamiedmattingly: I was just thinking they looked close enough that they might come to a vallejo meeting.
[19:32] <jamiedmattingly> i agree
[19:33] <jamiedmattingly> i sent an email to mailing list so hopefully if i did it right we will read about it tommorow
[19:34] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: you did it right :)
[19:34] <akk> You did it right -- I got it already.
[19:35] <jamiedmattingly> wow i did something right lol first time for everything :)
[19:35] <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Hour @ Palo Alto TONIGHT!  7pm Tandoori Oven (2 doors down from Antonio's Nut House).  Details and RSVP:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/650/detail/  pleia2, aaditya, akk, crashsystems, crashsystems1, jledbetter, jamiedmattingly, jamiedmattingly, jono, pleia2, kdub, jtatum,
[19:36] <pleia2> can't make it, have company flying in this evening so I'll be doing lots of last minute tidying around the condo
[19:36] <jamiedmattingly> i didnt get an email is it because i sent it?
[19:36] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yes, gmail eats them
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> how is your cr48 liz? are you using it now?
[19:36] <pleia2> (very annoying)
[19:37] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it's fun :) not using it now because I'm (supposed to be) working and it's not flexible enough for that
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> so how would you do irc on it?
[19:38] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: if you switch it into dev mode you can get to a terminal, which you can ssh from
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> i mean how would a common user do irc :)
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> go to a website?
[19:38] <pleia2> probably would have to use webchat
[19:38] <pleia2> yeah
[19:39] <nUboon2Age> okay pleia2, we'll miss you. :-(  we love you. :-)
[19:39] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: oh! updating identica/twitter now
[19:39] <nUboon2Age> ubuntu love.  group hug pleia2
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x
[19:40]  * iheartubuntu hugs pleia2
[19:40]  * pleia2 hugs all around
[19:48] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[21:34] <jedahan> just so happens nextspace is free today. and has a 4pm happy hour
[21:34] <jedahan> thanks pleia2
[21:34] <pleia2> sweet
[21:34] <pleia2> you're welcome :)
[21:34] <jedahan> soooo easy living in SF with no plans
[21:34] <jedahan> and keeping busy
[21:40] <jamiedmattingly> just out of curiosity what is next space for?
[21:41] <pleia2> it's an "office" that work from home types, entrepreneurs, etc can use so they don't get lonely had sort of have "co-workers"
[21:41] <pleia2> s/had/and
[21:42] <pleia2> they also have conference rooms you can rent (nice for virtual companies who need to have real life meetings)
[22:05] <DarkwingDuck> Okay... Gingerbread on my Droid is smooth
[22:06] <jamiedmattingly> which droid do you have DarkwingDuck?
[22:07] <DarkwingDuck> Droid 1
[22:07] <DarkwingDuck> I had a droid 2 but, I ended up giving to a buddy of mine who needed a phone.
[22:08] <jamiedmattingly> i have droid incredible how did you get gingerbread on your droid?
[22:08] <DarkwingDuck> It's rooted. I know most of the underground dev/hackers that do the custom ROMs.
[22:09] <DarkwingDuck> There are two good Gingerbread ROMs out there for the D1
[22:09] <DarkwingDuck> LiquidGingerbread and CyanogenMod 7
[22:10] <DarkwingDuck> Actually, I just realized that the Droid 1 has the same OMAP board as the n900 so, I should be able to get Kubuntu-Mobile installed on teh Droid 1
[22:12] <jamiedmattingly> how can you update your android phone fromm 2.2 to 2.3? do you know DarkwingDuck?
[22:13] <DarkwingDuck> jamiedmattingly: Is it rooted?
[22:13] <jamiedmattingly> i dont think so
[22:13] <DarkwingDuck> That would be the first step. I'm not sure if there is a DInc ROM for 2.3 yet.
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> jamiedmattingly: http://www.droid-life.com/2010/12/21/droid-incredible-owners-receive-one-of-the-first-really-polished-gingerbread-roms/
[22:16] <DarkwingDuck> You can get it on your DInc but, GPS and Video recording have issues still
[22:21] <kdub_> DarkwingDuck: you put kubuntu mobile on the n900?
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: One of the Devs for Kubuntu-Mobile did
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to work on getting it on the Droid 1... It shouldn't have any hardware issues except maybe CDMA
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> Because Verizon uses CDMA and the rest of the world uses GMS
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> *GSM
[22:23] <DarkwingDuck> So, I'll have to see
[22:23]  * kdub_ has an n900, that would be cool
[22:24] <kdub_> but maemo is already a debian system, i might just leave it at "eh, close enough" ;-)
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> so you wouldnt be able to make calls?
[22:33] <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: gemme a sec
[22:34] <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ARM/n900/
[22:55] <kdub_> DarkwingDuck: dang, pretty cool
[22:58] <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: oh yeah.
[22:59]  * kdub_ has always been one to take linux on his phone over a phone that can actually call people :)
[23:00] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[23:02]  * akk has a phone that can call people, and a separate device running linux
[23:02] <akk> though I admit it would be neat to have both in the same box
[23:08] <kdub_> the n900 does, right out of the box
[23:08] <kdub_> i hope meego turns out more or less the same way