| nodie | hi | 15:50 |
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| nodie | is there some upstart command for executing actions with a specific user ? | 15:51 |
| nodie | sudo -u ? | 15:55 |
| === ion_ is now known as ion | ||
| djszapi | hi KeyBuk :) | 21:04 |
| Keybuk | hi | 21:57 |
| djszapi | sup ? | 22:04 |
| Keybuk | not much...\ | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | Keybuk: forgive me for assigning some new upstart (Ubuntu) bugs to upstart. I'm on a triaging mission. :-P | 22:09 |
| Keybuk | SpamapS: that's ok | 22:10 |
| Keybuk | you'll want to subscribe James to them, obviously | 22:10 |
| Keybuk | though he may be automatically | 22:10 |
| SpamapS | Yes indeed. I'm trying to whittle it down to actual bugs.. there's a lot of cruft. | 22:11 |
| Keybuk | I'll read them in a "will this be a problem in upstart2" kindof way | 22:14 |
| SpamapS | You know, Coit Tower isn't actually made of ivory... | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | ;) | 22:15 |
| Keybuk | huh? | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | lame attempt to poke fun at your enviable position of being in charge of the rewrite | 22:16 |
| Keybuk | heh :)\ | 22:16 |
| Keybuk | it's more that there's enough deep bugs in the design with good known fixes in 2 at this point that I find it hard to shift gears back to the existing design | 22:17 |
| Keybuk | and since I'm not being paid to develop Upstart to Ubuntu's timescales anymore, I have the luxury of focussing on 2 rather than bolting fixes onto 1 ;-) | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | Threw in a San Fran reference, just to make it that much more confusing. Thats what makes a good joke.. when you have to explain it to the smartest people you know. ;) | 22:18 |
| Keybuk | ah, but I live in San Jose technically ;-) | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | Where they do have ivory towers? | 22:19 |
| Keybuk | dunno, I've not been into San Jose since 1999 | 22:19 |
| Keybuk | visiting Dustin at the Doubletree by the Airport on Monday doesn't count | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | No but seriously.. we're all excited to see it and I like that you can tell people to go stuff it until its done. | 22:19 |
| Keybuk | nor does visiting the Mercado Center | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | I like the ultra-slow light rail that goes between San Jose and Mountain View.. very fun to run along side it and wave to the passengers. | 22:20 |
| Keybuk | haha, yeah | 22:20 |
| Keybuk | my apartment is right by that | 22:20 |
| SpamapS | BTW have you run into Mathiaz? he's in DT SFO now | 22:20 |
| Keybuk | I take the Google Shuttle into Mountain View ;-) | 22:21 |
| Keybuk | no, I haven't | 22:21 |
| Keybuk | bug #707479 -> by design | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | oh? | 22:24 |
| Keybuk | likewise the fact that restart errors if it's not running | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | right, I think the restart command is broadly misunderstood | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | and I include myself in the group that misunderstands it | 22:25 |
| Keybuk | restart is exactly what it says | 22:25 |
| Keybuk | it restarts a running service | 22:25 |
| Keybuk | using the same configuration it is currently running with | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | I expect it to work like init.d scripts' restart .. which calls $0 stop ; $0 start .. but its just a little bit different. | 22:26 |
| Keybuk | init.d scripts are massively variable on how they restart | 22:26 |
| Keybuk | some send signals | 22:26 |
| Keybuk | and others do call into themselves for stop and start | 22:26 |
| Keybuk | so for Upstart, I had to pick one behaviour | 22:26 |
| Keybuk | since you can just run "stop job ; start job" I decided having the other behaviour was more useful for restart | 22:27 |
| SpamapS | Would it make sense to add a note about it in man 5 init? | 22:27 |
| SpamapS | I think people will still misunderstand, but at least we can close the bug reports with RTFM. | 22:28 |
| Keybuk | sure, feel free to add a patch to document that ;-) | 22:30 |
| Keybuk | a good way of putting it | 22:31 |
| Keybuk | restart is a special command to restart a running service without changing its configuration | 22:31 |
| Keybuk | its intended for use when you're unsure whether or not someone may have altered the configuration file under you | 22:31 |
| Keybuk | and you want the existing job restarted (e.g. to enact a config change of its own) and not have it replaced by another | 22:31 |
| Keybuk | SpamapS: also can you do a bit of de-dupping if you're adding upstream tasks | 22:32 |
| Keybuk | e.g. 703800 and 568288 might be the same? | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | Keybuk: of course. Reading it, to me its not clear that they're duplicate, but I will most definitely take your word for it that they might be. | 22:34 |
| Keybuk | no, I haven't read them thoroughly | 22:34 |
| Keybuk | but since you're triaging, maybe worth a pass through | 22:34 |
| Keybuk | and at least a comment to say why you don't think they are, etc. :p | 22:34 |
| Keybuk | (hey, I get to pretend Ubuntu is terrible to upstreams :p) | 22:34 |
| SpamapS | No no, we care about you, Mr. Upstream... are you done fixing it? did you fix it yet? Fix it now. | 22:35 |
| Keybuk | patches welcome <g> | 22:35 |
| Keybuk | but first, sign my copyright assignment agreement please | 22:36 |
| Keybuk | it says you have to give me both copyright and ONE MILLION DOLLARS *pinky* | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | only a million? but this patch is priceless! | 22:37 |
| SpamapS | Oh wait, I'm giving you a million.. crap. This is almost as bad as trying to get patches into FreeBSD | 22:37 |
| * Keybuk gets bored of pressing ^D to boot | 22:40 | |
| ion | keybuk: You might find this video about testing software with QuickCheck interesting. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4655369445141008672 | 22:48 |
| Keybuk | QuickCheck? | 22:50 |
| Keybuk | does that involve Haskell? | 22:50 |
| ion | In that video, the Erlang implementation is used. There are implementations of it in multiple languages. | 22:51 |
| ion | In particular, the examples of real world bugs uncovered by QuickCheck that weren’t found with manually written unit tests are interesting. | 22:55 |
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