| charlie-tca | micahg: bit of help? | 03:14 |
|---|---|---|
| micahg | charlie-tca: sure | 03:14 |
| charlie-tca | Latest updates to natty removed firefox | 03:14 |
| charlie-tca | try to reinstall gives an error: | 03:14 |
| charlie-tca | the following packages have unmet dependencies: firefox: Depends: python-gtk2 but it is not going to be installed | 03:15 |
| charlie-tca | heh, bad? | 03:15 |
| micahg | sounds bad :) | 03:15 |
| charlie-tca | kind of without firefox now | 03:16 |
| charlie-tca | can't be just me? | 03:16 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: aptitude why-not firefox | 03:17 |
| charlie-tca | Unable to find a reason to remove firefox | 03:18 |
| charlie-tca | crap | 03:18 |
| ochosi | hey micahg | 03:19 |
| micahg | hi ochosi | 03:20 |
| ochosi | you talked about gmusicbrowser or something? | 03:20 |
| charlie-tca | sure | 03:21 |
| ochosi | cause it seems i missed that piece :) | 03:21 |
| micahg | ochosi: yeah, I'm going to try to get it in Debian, 1.1.6, right? | 03:21 |
| ochosi | yeah cool | 03:21 |
| micahg | s/in/updated/ | 03:21 |
| ochosi | how hard is it to update it once it's there? | 03:21 |
| ochosi | because currently i'm working hard on getting everything right for the natty release | 03:22 |
| ochosi | so right now might be a bit soon (even though everything is basically working) | 03:22 |
| micahg | ochosi: not hard once squeeze is released, as for Ubuntu updating, past feature freeze, anything more than bug fix releases need release team approval | 03:23 |
| charlie-tca | well, I guess this is an opportunity! I can test midori and epiphany | 03:24 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: i'm just installing the latest updates in natty, we'll see whether firefox stays here | 03:24 |
| charlie-tca | hm, this is 64bit, with the already lost nvidia-current, too | 03:24 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: trying to upgrade my chroot, seems to be happy, let's see what happens after install | 03:25 |
| charlie-tca | and that session menu bug found in testing bit me too | 03:25 |
| ochosi | micahg: right, about ubuntu's policy i kinda knew (that's why i really try to keep the deadline in focus), about debian i don't/didn't really know much | 03:26 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit is release team, isn't he? | 03:26 |
| micahg | ochosi: so, next week I should be able to get it uploaded, the multimedia team has plenty of sponsors | 03:26 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: no, he's probably a delegate like I am | 03:27 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: want a bug for the missing firefox? | 03:28 |
| micahg | chroot is busted :-/ | 03:28 |
| charlie-tca | well, it would be an update-manager bug, missing guake too now | 03:28 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: ah, ok | 03:28 |
| charlie-tca | oh, and catfish went | 03:28 |
| ochosi | micahg: sounds really great! let me know if there's anything else you need! | 03:28 |
| micahg | ochosi: ok, thanks, you're an upstream dev for it, right? | 03:29 |
| charlie-tca | and I don't know what else | 03:29 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: oh dear, i won't do this upgrade. it proposes thousands of kde-packages and removes ff, catfish etc | 03:29 |
| * charlie-tca did the upgrade and wishes he hadn't now | 03:29 | |
| micahg | charlie-tca: does aptitude why-not python-gtk2 show anything? | 03:30 |
| ochosi | micahg: hm, well, i'm only a very small contributor. there's only one real dev (he kinda keeps this project to himself ;) ) | 03:30 |
| micahg | ochosi: oh, ok, still good to have connections ;) | 03:30 |
| ochosi | micahg: i did some layout work, icons and a plugin | 03:30 |
| charlie-tca | Unable to find a reason to remove firefox | 03:30 |
| charlie-tca | no, instead of firefox, python-gtk2 | 03:30 |
| ochosi | micahg: but i'm pretty much in daily or at least weekly touch with squentin (quentin sculo) | 03:30 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: hmm | 03:31 |
| charlie-tca | hm too. I am going to attempt to file this, I don't know if it will work with midori, though | 03:31 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: I forget how to get debug output from apt-get upgrade, but that would probably be helpful | 03:31 |
| ochosi | micahg: btw, you can also grab 1.1.6 from his git repo if you prefer pure upstream, in my version there's basically a different default layout and a few other small changes | 03:32 |
| charlie-tca | well, I can attach everything manually if I need to. I triage my share of these | 03:32 |
| micahg | ochosi: yeah, I'll do that, are there not release tarballs? | 03:33 |
| ochosi | micahg: and i also don't wanna piss him off by superseeding his packages with mine... | 03:33 |
| micahg | oh, nm, there's a watch file | 03:33 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, update-manager is not a genuine package... | 03:33 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: update-manager has the nasty habit of always killing my nm-applet during the update | 03:33 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: are you using a mirror or the main archive? | 03:33 |
| charlie-tca | main, I think | 03:34 |
| ochosi | same here | 03:34 |
| charlie-tca | hm, micahg lots of packages installed then removed by the update | 03:36 |
| charlie-tca | gimp, ibus-m17n, firefox, guake, gcompris, gnumeric, onboard, ibus- | 03:37 |
| charlie-tca | 20 or more packages | 03:38 |
| micahg | sounds like the gtk stack is messed up | 03:38 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: maybe check in #ubuntu+1 | 03:38 |
| charlie-tca | tried that. | 03:44 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: oh dear, i really hope the resize-grip issue gets fixed soon in natty | 03:49 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: it really looks pretty bad imo | 03:49 |
| ochosi | anyway, got to get some sleep now | 03:49 |
| ochosi | night everyone, see you! | 03:50 |
| micahg | ochosi: you should file bugs if you see some, I think most got fixed | 03:50 |
| charlie-tca | sorry, micahg. I guess firefox was the most visible one for me | 04:04 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: not a problem, wish I had a good answer, I'm going to blow away my chroot now since I broke it :) | 04:04 |
| charlie-tca | That's okay, you helped me find out how bad it really is. | 04:05 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, going to bed now. | 05:16 |
| ochosi | micahg: sure, sorry, i was just already pretty tired yesterday... | 11:01 |
| ochosi | hm, seems like the decision to move towards gmusicbrowser made the news already: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/gmusicbrowser-now-default-music-app-in-xubuntu-11-04/ | 11:12 |
| charlie-tca | hm, is that a good thing or a bad thing to make it in OMG! Ubuntu now? | 14:09 |
| charlie-tca | those resize grips are not going away totally. they will be fixed if they interfere with buttons | 14:10 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 14:20 |
| mr_pouit | \o | 14:25 |
| mr_pouit | charlie-tca: but who will fix them? | 14:25 |
| charlie-tca | What's his name, bratsche ? | 14:26 |
| charlie-tca | Some of the fixes are things like move the bottom scroll arrow up a tiny bit so the arrow is no longer hidden | 14:26 |
| charlie-tca | if it is an annoying button present, it won't happen | 14:27 |
| mr_pouit | well, I hope he has 96 hours/day, because he will have to try all gtk+ packages in the archive, and fix them if necessary | 14:27 |
| charlie-tca | They won't attempt to remove the buttons | 14:27 |
| charlie-tca | They will fix the ones where the button covers things. firefox is an example, it is there. it will stay | 14:28 |
| mr_pouit | I guess they might fix packages when a bug is reported | 14:28 |
| mr_pouit | so packages from main mostly | 14:28 |
| charlie-tca | There is no reason to file a bug against every app, because it is not going to go away | 14:29 |
| mr_pouit | It is a good reason, because without the fix the app will look ugly | 14:29 |
| charlie-tca | Unless it actually interferes with something, it will be invalid | 14:29 |
| charlie-tca | ugly doesn't count. | 14:30 |
| mr_pouit | how would you define the current look of xfdesktop then? | 14:31 |
| mr_pouit | if doesn't interfere with anything, there is only an ugly black area at the bottom of the wallpaper | 14:31 |
| charlie-tca | That one will get fixed, since it is a fixed size. But firefox has one, and it won't get touched | 14:31 |
| mr_pouit | fine if he fixes it | 14:32 |
| mr_pouit | I won't touch that anyway | 14:32 |
| charlie-tca | If they show up where they are useless, or interfere with a button, they fix it | 14:32 |
| mr_pouit | this is going to add a completely unneeded delta with upstream and debian | 14:32 |
| mr_pouit | and I won't be able to forward it | 14:32 |
| charlie-tca | the panel, the desktop, the covered scroll button | 14:33 |
| charlie-tca | I know. Ubuntu devs are supposed to be doing them | 14:33 |
| charlie-tca | we made webupd8 with gmusicbrowser too | 14:35 |
| charlie-tca | looks good, too. Publicity for Xubuntu, publicity for Shimmer! | 14:36 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: yeah, the publicity machinery is working pretty well for us this release | 16:24 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: btw, have you had contact with bratsche? | 16:25 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: because if so, it would be great if you could ask him how we can theme those beasts (the resize-grips) if they're gonna be all over the place | 16:25 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: and since the gtk2 approach doesn't work with gtk3 i really don't have a clue how it should work (gtk3 docu is not very helpful yet) | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca | I can ask him, yes. | 16:28 |
| ochosi | thanks, that would be great | 16:28 |
| charlie-tca | I will see what I can get out of him | 16:28 |
| ochosi | i worked a bit more on the theme lately, doing some improvements on xfwm4 and xfce4-notifyd | 16:29 |
| ochosi | i'll do a new release soon and let you know so you can test it | 16:29 |
| charlie-tca | great! just be sure to push me on it, so I don't forget | 16:29 |
| ochosi | okeydokey :) | 16:29 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: ok, i pushed most of the changes i did to the theme now. feel free to grab/test it: http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors/archive/tip.tar.gz | 16:58 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: stuff that is still todo for xfwm is the "stick" button, apart from that it's final | 16:58 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: it also picks up gtk colors now, so you can also use it with other themes and it'll integrate well | 16:59 |
| ochosi | k, have a nice weekend everyone! | 17:00 |
| ochosi | o/ | 17:00 |
| charlie-tca | thanks | 17:00 |
| charlie-tca | installed latest greybird | 17:14 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: can't change the background colors for orage, but that may not be your theme. I can't do it in raleigh either | 17:15 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: yeah, orage is still pretty buggy unfortunately. discussed that recently with mr_pouit, maybe we can make the clock-plugin provide the same functionality without the problems of orage | 17:42 |
| ochosi | yet another (really positive!) review from the german community (unfortunately in german though): http://blog.elektronik-projekt.de/ | 17:43 |
| ochosi | oh, corrected link: http://blog.elektronik-projekt.de/2011/02/xubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-ein-einblick/ | 17:43 |
| charlie-tca | okeydokey, | 17:45 |
| charlie-tca | Great! positive reviews are a good thing | 17:45 |
| charlie-tca | I think if orage is not going to work right, the clock plugin does tell time... | 17:46 |
| ochosi | yeah, mr_pouit said that with a hidden option the clock plugin can start orage, so the functionality of opening the calendar would stay the same | 17:47 |
| ochosi | (and that's the main gain from that plugin imo) | 17:47 |
| ochosi | so we'll test it and then could discuss a switch to the clock-plugin in the next meeting | 17:47 |
| ochosi | TheSheep: sorry i didn't have time for you yet, the weekend is rather busy here, so maybe early next week? | 17:48 |
| TheSheep | ochosi: sure, no hurry, I'm rather busy too, thank you for your care | 17:53 |
| ochosi | TheSheep: no problem, i'm really happy to hear your feedback or discuss things | 17:54 |
| ochosi | k, now finally gotta go ;) | 17:54 |
| TheSheep | I wish I had answers instead of questions | 17:54 |
| ochosi | guess there are no "answers" (as in "final answers"), only process... | 17:55 |
| charlie-tca | Is this still true in Natty? Can we fix it? | 22:00 |
| charlie-tca | You probably need to unmute pulseaudio | 22:00 |
| charlie-tca | It helpfully starts muted by default | 22:00 |
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