[01:07] <BUGabundo> o/ uh uh
[01:08] <BUGabundo> so the network applet is broken :\
[01:09] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, it's working alright in here
[01:23] <coz_> is anyone having issues with usb?  external drives in particular
[01:23] <coz_> I am finding ,, only recently  that files on externals are being corrupted
[01:23] <BUGabundo> coz_: not really
[01:24] <BUGabundo> altough one of my external disks is diying
[01:24] <coz_> mm  I know its not the drive,, if I hook it up via IDE  all is well
[01:24] <BUGabundo> making backups of most important data now
[01:24] <coz_> only via usb are files being corrupted
[01:24] <BUGabundo> no corruption here
[01:26] <coz_> mmm
[01:27] <coz_> BUGabundo,  I will have to check hardware I guess...
[01:48] <blixten> anyone here know how to run x86 32bit bins on a ppc64 ubuntu 64 system?
[01:57] <coz_> blixten,  I dont ,, I was under the impression that ppc64 could only run the 64 bit version
[01:58] <rww> ppc64 can't run i686 or x86_64 binaries without emulation, as far as I know.
[01:58] <rww> and I don't know if there's a viable emulator.
[02:00] <blixten> :(
[03:45] <sagaci> when do the daily development images get generated, at what time each day?
[04:01] <rww> the cdimage server says "Last modified" for them was 13:37 (someone totally did that deliberately). That's probably UTC.
[04:10] <coz_> hey guys,,, is anything being done about t hat "grab" handle?  it is showing up permanently in screenlets...real irritating
[04:10] <coz_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/impulse-trinagle.png
[04:51] <endless> good morning everyone
[04:51] <coz_> hey guy
[04:52] <endless> hey coz_, see you again
[04:55] <coz_> endless,  leaving already?
[04:59] <coz_> well that was a P*&ser"
[09:10] <gunndawg> so how is Natty shaping up?
[10:15] <sudo_zoel> hello everyone
[10:18] <sagaci> hi
[10:38] <sudo_zoel> what's new from 11.04?
[10:39] <sagaci> heaps
[10:47] <gunndawg> how is natty shaping up?
[10:47] <gunndawg> Im stickin with 10.10 for now
[10:49] <sagaci> kernel panics on the daily's and alpha 2
[10:50] <yofel> I'm not getting those, but regular GPU lockups with nouveau on my notebook
[11:08] <gunndawg> Think I'll just hang on to 10.10 until 11.04 is released, even then I might give it a bit of time to grow
[11:09] <gunndawg> unless I hear good enough things about it on launch
[11:12] <sagaci> final releases are pretty good, a week later and most of the pressing issues are resolved
[11:21] <gunndawg> I hope I can get my mic jack to work in Natty so I can use skype audio
[12:29] <coz_> good day
[12:30] <penguin42> is it? Haven't made up my mind yet
[12:36] <Q-FUNK> has anybody else encountered a situation where gdm stalls after selecting the user from the face browser and then never launches the gnome session?
[12:37] <coz_> Q-FUNK,  not that exactly but  withouty fail... it takes sometimes 3 or 4 resets of the system to actually boot to gdm h ere.. not sure if it is related to scsi drives  yet
[12:38] <Q-FUNK> coz_: ok. different issue, then. here, booting works flawlessly, but gdm stalls.
[12:39] <coz_> Q-FUNK,   yeah understood... but aparenlty there are boot issues  :)
[12:41] <coz_> Q-FUNK,  out of curiosity,,, does this happen on each boot?  doest it solve itself if you keep rebooting?
[12:41] <coz_> resolve  rather
[12:43] <Q-FUNK> coz_: it has happened ever since I upgraded from maverick.  it never resolved itself. I ended up having to install lxdm from console just to be able to login.
[12:45] <penguin42> Q-FUNK: I'd go and try digging in some logs to see if there is anything showing up; if you select one of the failsafe sessions does it let you login?
[13:12] <coz_> what is the status of fixing that "grab" handle?   here on some applications, it is a permanently visible  bug   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/grabhandle.png
[13:22] <yofel> iirc the bug is still open, I see them too here
[13:27] <valkyrie> hello, does natty have a live dvd?
[13:38] <Hew> I've been trying to upgrade to natty for over a week now, but I keep getting the following message: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[13:38] <Hew> I can't see what the problem could be, anyone else heard of this issue?
[14:09] <penguin42> how have you been trying to do the upgrade?
[14:11] <sidnei> Hew, check the log file it has more info
[14:12] <sidnei> Hew, i cant remember the filename, but i its in /var/log/
[14:12] <Hew> penguin42, update-manager -d
[14:13] <penguin42> Hew: OK, and is that the whole error you get or is there any more? Do you have any PPAs installed?
[14:14] <Hew> sidnei, I have looked through /var/log/dist-upgrade but can't find anything useful, like an error on a package or something. I thought before alpha 2 maybe it was xorg breakage, but that can't be the case anymore.
[14:15] <Hew> penguin42, sure I have local packages, I have tried the upgrade with all third party repos turned off. If it said what package was causing the problem I would be able to do something about it.
[14:15] <Hew> I already went and undid my xorg-edgers packages, but that didn't help
[14:15] <penguin42> Hew: did you use ppa-purge to do that?
[14:15] <Hew> no, I have not heard of that
[14:16] <penguin42> Hew: It's a program (that I think xorg-edgers installs?) that can be used for removing ppa's - it does a good job cleaning up
[14:17] <penguin42> it's in the ppa-purge package
[14:17] <penguin42> Hew: The other thing you could try is do-release-update -d from the command line, I wonder if it will give you more debug
[14:18] <Hew> thanks penguin42 I'll try that now
[14:30] <Hew> penguin42, just the same messages
[14:30] <Hew> Calculating the changes
[14:30] <Hew> Calculating the changes
[14:30] <Hew> Could not calculate the upgrade
[14:32] <penguin42> hmph
[14:33] <penguin42> Hew: OK, in that case I'd try removing any other ppa stuff you have, especially any library or core stuff; don't just remove the ppas from the sources.list; you need to downgrade the packages to the standard ones
[14:34] <Hew> penguin42, I am removing all local packages now.. sucks
[14:38] <andreas> I crippled my system with trying to update to python2.7 today. I seem to hit Bug 689615 but I have no idea how to fix it.
[14:39] <andreas> I now forced dpkg to remove all 2.6 python packages, but the configure for python2.7-minimal still doesn't work
[14:40] <andreas> It complains: "python or pycompile not found in public_modules.rtinstall hook."
[14:40] <andreas> Does anyone know a way to fix this mess?
[14:40] <penguin42> Hew: It's probably just one package with a weird dependency
[14:44] <Hew> penguin42, I'd think if it was one package it would be clear from the error displayed, or at least from the logs, what the problem was
[14:45] <penguin42> Hew: Yeh I'm susrprised you're not seeing more logs
[14:45] <Hew> all the logs show is the upgrade logic solving all the issues, then it ends and doesn't seem to have worked
[14:46] <penguin42> Hew: Can you put one of those logs in a pastebin?
[14:47] <Hew> I've removed all local packages now so I'm attempting to upgrade again, will post when this one fails..
[14:49] <Hew> penguin42, whoa it looks like it's working!
[14:49] <penguin42> wahey!
[14:49] <Hew> maybe it was medibuntu upgraded packages..
[14:49] <Hew> penguin42, thanks for your help!
[14:49] <penguin42> no problem
[14:53] <andreas> Is there a way to securely remove python2.6* packages from the system - seems like I missed some
[15:09] <penguin42> andreas: dpkg -l \*2.6\*|grep python|grep -v ^un    lists the ones I have left installed
[15:11] <andreas> penguin42: Thanks - I purged that one, too - but it still complains
[15:12] <andreas> I even found the point in pycompile were it fails - but I don't know how to fix it
[15:13] <bullgard4> !gnome3
[15:14] <penguin42> sorry, I don't know anything about the innards of python
[15:15] <andreas> penguin42: me neither :(
[15:56] <avis> can anyone recommend a ppa to run unity under maverick ?
[16:02] <valkyrie> i have tried, none can pass the certification
[16:03] <valkyrie> so, i have no guts to install them
[16:15] <valkyrie> lol, my toolbars disappeared randomly
[16:15] <valkyrie> what a buggy natty!
[16:15] <valkyrie> i have to kill the gdm and restart again
[16:16] <Daekdroom> Unity is crashing randomly for pretty much anyone.
[16:16] <Daekdroom> Use classic gnome.
[16:17] <penguin42> compiz on classic is being a bit crashy as well
[16:17] <Daekdroom> That is why I use (No effect)
[16:18] <coz_> unless you compile 0.9  from git... but there are still bugs there
[16:18] <valkyrie> unity is a not-bad eye-candy
[16:19] <valkyrie> i am exciting to use 11.04
[16:19] <valkyrie> hehehe
[16:20]  * valkyrie kicks fedora out of the door
[16:39] <Omega> valkyrie: Remember the CoC.
[16:39] <charlie-tca> seems like alpha software still has bugs in it, huh?
[16:40] <valkyrie> coc?
[16:40] <Daekdroom> Code of Conduct
[16:40] <Daekdroom> !CoC
[16:41] <valkyrie> i have no email, so i don't think i can sign on something
[16:42] <charlie-tca> You still agreed to follow it when you come into any #ubuntu++++ channel
[16:42] <Daekdroom> Actually, we agreed to follow the TermsOfService
[16:43] <Daekdroom>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[16:43] <Daekdroom> Which implies following the CoC ;)
[16:52] <bazhang> valkyrie, it has zero to do with email, you need to follow it in ubuntu channels whether you choose to sign it or not
[17:20] <coz_> hey guys ,, out of curiosity... generally when do sites like this    get updated    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsAsus#USB
[17:20] <coz_> sorry  t his one   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[17:21] <penguin42> coz_: I think it's just a wiki, so it depends on the person who wrote it
[17:21] <coz_> penguin42,  ah ok... that I understand.. its unfortunate it is a bit outdated in terms of which ubuntu version ;(
[17:21] <penguin42> coz_: Feel free to update it I think
[17:22] <coz_> penguin42,  :)  if I had the info I would definitly do that...
[17:22] <coz_> I may have to use a wireless usb  so I checked there but no biggie
[19:54] <daniel__> hi @all
[19:54] <daniel__> How can I enable ALT+F2 dialouge in Unity 2D?
[20:28] <Daekdroom> I'm now forced to use Windows :(
[20:31] <rork> why?
[20:32] <Daekdroom> Some odd regression.
[20:32] <Daekdroom> 11.04 has trouble communicating with my router.
[20:32] <Daekdroom> It works, but the quality is awful.
[20:32] <yofel> you really should have a fallback installation on a flash drive at least when using natty..
[20:32] <yofel> hm, ralink?
[20:33] <yofel> I did notice my eeePC being unstable
[20:33] <Daekdroom> MCP61 ethernet chip and a DSLink 260E router
[20:33] <alex_mayorga> Can I get some pairs of eyes on bug 713781 please?
[20:34] <yofel> oh, *that*
[20:34] <yofel> alex_mayorga: yeah, I see that too, but that's *before* X comes up
[20:35] <yofel> so that's the KMS framebuffer I would say
[20:35] <coz_> hey guys
[20:35] <yofel> hi coz_
[20:35] <coz_> yofel,  hey guy :)
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> yofel: but you do get X, right?
[20:35] <yofel> I do here
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> in my case is all garbled, I think I uploaded the picture of it
[20:35] <yofel> you can add me to the ranks of GPU lockup cards with nouveau though :(
[20:36] <yofel> yeah, I see that too here, but X starts after that with nouveau
[20:36] <alex_mayorga> yofel: nVidia?
[20:36] <yofel> alex_mayorga: yep
[20:36] <yofel> I'll probably ping bryce later for some debugging instructions
[20:37] <alex_mayorga> mine does start as I can hear the bongo if I type my password, but gdm is all garbled
[20:37] <yofel> nouveau works perfectly fine on my desktop, but my notebook is a mess
[20:37] <alex_mayorga> 2.6.37-12 would have to do for now
[20:37] <yofel> I think I actually managed to get a dozen freezes in one hour once
[20:38] <alex_mayorga> maybe I should go try edgers, do you now how?
[20:38] <alex_mayorga> s/now/know
[20:38] <alex_mayorga> or maybe try squeeze :)
[20:38] <yofel> add ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-edgers, probably the wrong URL though
[20:38] <Daekdroom> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[20:38] <Daekdroom> x-swat is for stable updates.
[20:38] <yofel> ah, that one ;)
[20:38] <yofel> ah
[20:39] <Daekdroom> Altho you must read the PPA page in launchpad before adding, really.
[20:39] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: OK, I will thanks!
[20:46] <alex_mayorga> at #nouveau they tell me to disable vesafb, can anyone tell me how?
[20:48] <Daekdroom> Has anyone seen anything like bug #713443 before?
[20:50] <yofel> alex_mayorga: not really, I think we use vesafb by default now since the last grub changes
[20:50] <yofel> to get plymouth graphical mode to work with non-kms drivers
[20:51] <bjsnider> well, plymouth is very crucial
[20:52] <bjsnider> extremely crucial, even
[20:52] <yofel> yeah, but nouveau doesn't seem to like those changes
[20:52] <yofel> first I get graphical plymouth with 640x480 res, then pixel garbage, then X
[20:52] <yofel> plymouth is only fine on shutdown
[20:53] <yofel> nouveau framebuffer rather
[20:54] <daniel__> Where's this channel logged?
[20:55] <guntbert> !logs | daniel__
[20:58] <alex_mayorga> yofel: so no way to disable it then?
[20:58] <daniel__> thank you
[20:58] <yofel> alex_mayorga: I don't know how
[20:59] <alex_mayorga> yofel: I see, thanks anyway
[20:59] <yofel> hm...
[20:59] <yofel> setting GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text in /etc/default/grub might help
[21:00] <alex_mayorga> yofel: is that to me?
[21:01] <yofel> alex_mayorga: yep
[21:02] <alex_mayorga> so I just add "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" anywhere?
[21:04] <yofel> yes
[21:05] <yofel> that should disable the graphical kernel mode that sets vesafb up IIRC
[21:05] <alex_mayorga> yofel: let me try that one
[21:05] <alex_mayorga> BRB, hopefully :)
[21:15] <Daekdroom> Looks like I fixed network-manager.
[21:16] <Daekdroom> Aw.. It's still not working alright :(
[21:21] <alex_mayorga> yofel: nothing except this time the text from the boot stayed in there :)
[21:21] <yofel> :S
[21:22] <alex_mayorga> any other tips?
[21:41] <ethana2> howdy-- nVidia user here..  I
[21:41] <ethana2> whoops, hit enter..  I've tried every driver I can think of on 11.04, and haven't been able to get 3d working yet
[21:41] <ethana2> Is this likely to be fixed soon or is it fixed already?  ..or is it going to be a week or two or something?
[21:42] <paradigmflow> I've just done an upgrade using the terminal method and it still says 10.10?
[21:42] <penguin42> says where?
[21:43] <paradigmflow> on the loading screen
[21:43] <paradigmflow> and monitor window
[21:43] <paradigmflow> system monitor
[21:44] <penguin42> hmm - can you do a uname -a   and tell me what it says?
[21:44] <ethana2> ah, the magic or release notes
[21:45] <paradigmflow> 2.6.35-25-generic
[21:45] <penguin42> sounds like it hasn't upgraded
[21:45] <paradigmflow> :(
[21:45] <penguin42> ok, so how did you upgrade?
[21:46] <paradigmflow> from the dos window
[21:46] <penguin42> how?
[21:46] <penguin42> (It's not a dos window, it's a shell)
[21:46] <paradigmflow> :$
[21:46] <penguin42> yeh, so what did you do to upgrade
[21:47] <paradigmflow> I typed "update-manager -d"
[21:48] <paradigmflow> it said a new distro is available
[21:48] <penguin42> ok, then what?
[21:48] <paradigmflow> 11.04
[21:48] <paradigmflow> then I followed the prompts
[21:48] <paradigmflow> intructions
[21:49] <penguin42> any errors?
[21:49] <paradigmflow> it asked me whether I wanted to keep maverick or install newer version
[21:49] <paradigmflow> nope
[21:49] <paradigmflow> got to the restart at the end of the script/install
[21:49] <penguin42> how long did it take?
[21:49] <paradigmflow> about 45 mins
[21:50] <paradigmflow> it downloaded the distro about a 1gig I think and then started the install
[21:50] <paradigmflow> all looked well
[21:51] <paradigmflow> until I rebooted
[21:51] <paradigmflow> :(
[21:52] <penguin42> odd, sounds reasonable - did you tick the thing about trying stuff in aufs ?
[21:53] <paradigmflow> yes
[21:53] <penguin42> hmm, I've never done that and don't know how it works, it's supposed to let you revert to the old-unupgraded version, and it sounds like you've done that somehow
[21:54] <paradigmflow> I'm running it again
[21:54] <paradigmflow> got this: WARNING: Failed to read mirror file
[21:55] <paradigmflow> now it's calculating the changes
[21:55] <paradigmflow> some hd grinding going on :$
[21:57] <paradigmflow> hmm...E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[21:59] <penguin42> any more errors before that ?
[22:00] <paradigmflow> A deprecation warning
[22:00] <penguin42> can you paste the full set of errors to a pastebin?
[22:01] <paradigmflow> not used it yet :(
[22:02] <paradigmflow> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[22:02] <paradigmflow> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/progress/old.py:134: DeprecationWarning: apt.progress.FetchProgress is deprecated.
[22:02] <paradigmflow> theres 9 of those
[22:03] <paradigmflow> relating to different packages
[22:04] <paradigmflow> extracting 'natty.tar.gz'
[22:04] <paradigmflow> authenticate 'natty.tar.gz' against 'natty.tar.gz.gpg'
[22:04] <paradigmflow> then the error I just posted
[22:05] <penguin42> be much better if you could paste to a pastebin, but still, that all looks OK
[22:25] <alex_mayorga> how do I get back the calendar applet?
[22:26] <alex_mayorga> using ubuntu classic desktop
[22:55] <BUGabundo> hey guys can anyone recommend me a easy to setup SIP server ?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> with TLS support
[23:04] <genii-around> asterisk?
[23:06] <BUGabundo> too complex for a simple test genii-around
[23:06] <BUGabundo> is it safe to remove 5)     xserver-xorg-video-nv ?
[23:08] <yofel> should be, it's not used anyway these days
[23:08] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:08] <BUGabundo> I got an upgrade pending on that
[23:08] <BUGabundo> yofel: anyidea why gwibber is showing *old* notifications bubbles?
[23:09] <yofel> nope, I don't use it
[23:16] <genii-around> !info ser
[23:16] <genii-around> hm
[23:16] <johnjohn101> i can't wait to try unity on the live cd
[23:17] <genii-around> BUGabundo: I'm not sure how easy or not it is to set up, but probably less work than asterisk
[23:17] <BUGabundo> will try sipwitch
[23:18] <BUGabundo> will keep an eye on that ser, genii-around
[23:27] <LLStarks> proposal: rename ubuntu classic desktop to "natty light"
[23:28] <BUGabundo> ahaha