[01:07] o/ uh uh [01:08] so the network applet is broken :\ [01:09] BUGabundo, it's working alright in here [01:23] is anyone having issues with usb? external drives in particular [01:23] I am finding ,, only recently that files on externals are being corrupted [01:23] coz_: not really [01:24] altough one of my external disks is diying [01:24] mm I know its not the drive,, if I hook it up via IDE all is well [01:24] making backups of most important data now [01:24] only via usb are files being corrupted [01:24] no corruption here [01:26] mmm [01:27] BUGabundo, I will have to check hardware I guess... === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [01:48] anyone here know how to run x86 32bit bins on a ppc64 ubuntu 64 system? [01:57] blixten, I dont ,, I was under the impression that ppc64 could only run the 64 bit version [01:58] ppc64 can't run i686 or x86_64 binaries without emulation, as far as I know. [01:58] and I don't know if there's a viable emulator. [02:00] :( [03:45] when do the daily development images get generated, at what time each day? [04:01] the cdimage server says "Last modified" for them was 13:37 (someone totally did that deliberately). That's probably UTC. [04:10] hey guys,,, is anything being done about t hat "grab" handle? it is showing up permanently in screenlets...real irritating [04:10] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/impulse-trinagle.png [04:51] good morning everyone [04:51] hey guy [04:52] hey coz_, see you again [04:55] endless, leaving already? [04:59] well that was a P*&ser" === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [09:10] so how is Natty shaping up? [10:15] hello everyone [10:18] hi [10:38] what's new from 11.04? [10:39] heaps [10:47] how is natty shaping up? [10:47] Im stickin with 10.10 for now [10:49] kernel panics on the daily's and alpha 2 [10:50] I'm not getting those, but regular GPU lockups with nouveau on my notebook [11:08] Think I'll just hang on to 10.10 until 11.04 is released, even then I might give it a bit of time to grow [11:09] unless I hear good enough things about it on launch [11:12] final releases are pretty good, a week later and most of the pressing issues are resolved [11:21] I hope I can get my mic jack to work in Natty so I can use skype audio === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:29] good day [12:30] is it? Haven't made up my mind yet [12:36] has anybody else encountered a situation where gdm stalls after selecting the user from the face browser and then never launches the gnome session? [12:37] Q-FUNK, not that exactly but withouty fail... it takes sometimes 3 or 4 resets of the system to actually boot to gdm h ere.. not sure if it is related to scsi drives yet [12:38] coz_: ok. different issue, then. here, booting works flawlessly, but gdm stalls. [12:39] Q-FUNK, yeah understood... but aparenlty there are boot issues :) [12:41] Q-FUNK, out of curiosity,,, does this happen on each boot? doest it solve itself if you keep rebooting? [12:41] resolve rather [12:43] coz_: it has happened ever since I upgraded from maverick. it never resolved itself. I ended up having to install lxdm from console just to be able to login. [12:45] Q-FUNK: I'd go and try digging in some logs to see if there is anything showing up; if you select one of the failsafe sessions does it let you login? [13:12] what is the status of fixing that "grab" handle? here on some applications, it is a permanently visible bug http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/grabhandle.png [13:22] iirc the bug is still open, I see them too here [13:27] hello, does natty have a live dvd? [13:38] I've been trying to upgrade to natty for over a week now, but I keep getting the following message: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. [13:38] I can't see what the problem could be, anyone else heard of this issue? [14:09] how have you been trying to do the upgrade? [14:11] Hew, check the log file it has more info [14:12] Hew, i cant remember the filename, but i its in /var/log/ [14:12] penguin42, update-manager -d [14:13] Hew: OK, and is that the whole error you get or is there any more? Do you have any PPAs installed? [14:14] sidnei, I have looked through /var/log/dist-upgrade but can't find anything useful, like an error on a package or something. I thought before alpha 2 maybe it was xorg breakage, but that can't be the case anymore. [14:15] penguin42, sure I have local packages, I have tried the upgrade with all third party repos turned off. If it said what package was causing the problem I would be able to do something about it. [14:15] I already went and undid my xorg-edgers packages, but that didn't help [14:15] Hew: did you use ppa-purge to do that? [14:15] no, I have not heard of that [14:16] Hew: It's a program (that I think xorg-edgers installs?) that can be used for removing ppa's - it does a good job cleaning up [14:17] it's in the ppa-purge package [14:17] Hew: The other thing you could try is do-release-update -d from the command line, I wonder if it will give you more debug [14:18] thanks penguin42 I'll try that now [14:30] penguin42, just the same messages [14:30] Calculating the changes [14:30] Calculating the changes [14:30] Could not calculate the upgrade [14:32] hmph [14:33] Hew: OK, in that case I'd try removing any other ppa stuff you have, especially any library or core stuff; don't just remove the ppas from the sources.list; you need to downgrade the packages to the standard ones [14:34] penguin42, I am removing all local packages now.. sucks [14:38] I crippled my system with trying to update to python2.7 today. I seem to hit Bug 689615 but I have no idea how to fix it. [14:38] Launchpad bug 689615 in python2.7 (Ubuntu) "pycompile fixes needed for maverick" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689615 [14:39] I now forced dpkg to remove all 2.6 python packages, but the configure for python2.7-minimal still doesn't work [14:40] It complains: "python or pycompile not found in public_modules.rtinstall hook." [14:40] Does anyone know a way to fix this mess? [14:40] Hew: It's probably just one package with a weird dependency [14:44] penguin42, I'd think if it was one package it would be clear from the error displayed, or at least from the logs, what the problem was [14:45] Hew: Yeh I'm susrprised you're not seeing more logs [14:45] all the logs show is the upgrade logic solving all the issues, then it ends and doesn't seem to have worked [14:46] Hew: Can you put one of those logs in a pastebin? [14:47] I've removed all local packages now so I'm attempting to upgrade again, will post when this one fails.. [14:49] penguin42, whoa it looks like it's working! [14:49] wahey! [14:49] maybe it was medibuntu upgraded packages.. [14:49] penguin42, thanks for your help! [14:49] no problem [14:53] Is there a way to securely remove python2.6* packages from the system - seems like I missed some [15:09] andreas: dpkg -l \*2.6\*|grep python|grep -v ^un lists the ones I have left installed [15:11] penguin42: Thanks - I purged that one, too - but it still complains [15:12] I even found the point in pycompile were it fails - but I don't know how to fix it [15:13] !gnome3 [15:14] sorry, I don't know anything about the innards of python [15:15] penguin42: me neither :( [15:56] can anyone recommend a ppa to run unity under maverick ? === andreas is now known as LCID_Fire [16:02] i have tried, none can pass the certification [16:03] so, i have no guts to install them [16:15] lol, my toolbars disappeared randomly [16:15] what a buggy natty! [16:15] i have to kill the gdm and restart again [16:16] Unity is crashing randomly for pretty much anyone. [16:16] Use classic gnome. [16:17] compiz on classic is being a bit crashy as well [16:17] That is why I use (No effect) [16:18] unless you compile 0.9 from git... but there are still bugs there [16:18] unity is a not-bad eye-candy [16:19] i am exciting to use 11.04 [16:19] hehehe [16:20] * valkyrie kicks fedora out of the door === marcos_ is now known as Daekdroom [16:39] valkyrie: Remember the CoC. [16:39] seems like alpha software still has bugs in it, huh? [16:40] coc? [16:40] Code of Conduct [16:40] !CoC [16:40] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct . [16:41] i have no email, so i don't think i can sign on something [16:42] You still agreed to follow it when you come into any #ubuntu++++ channel [16:42] Actually, we agreed to follow the TermsOfService [16:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService [16:43] Which implies following the CoC ;) [16:52] valkyrie, it has zero to do with email, you need to follow it in ubuntu channels whether you choose to sign it or not [17:20] hey guys ,, out of curiosity... generally when do sites like this get updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsAsus#USB [17:20] sorry t his one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported [17:21] coz_: I think it's just a wiki, so it depends on the person who wrote it [17:21] penguin42, ah ok... that I understand.. its unfortunate it is a bit outdated in terms of which ubuntu version ;( [17:21] coz_: Feel free to update it I think [17:22] penguin42, :) if I had the info I would definitly do that... [17:22] I may have to use a wireless usb so I checked there but no biggie [19:54] hi @all [19:54] How can I enable ALT+F2 dialouge in Unity 2D? [20:28] I'm now forced to use Windows :( [20:31] why? [20:32] Some odd regression. [20:32] 11.04 has trouble communicating with my router. [20:32] It works, but the quality is awful. [20:32] you really should have a fallback installation on a flash drive at least when using natty.. [20:32] hm, ralink? [20:33] I did notice my eeePC being unstable [20:33] MCP61 ethernet chip and a DSLink 260E router [20:33] Can I get some pairs of eyes on bug 713781 please? [20:33] Launchpad bug 713781 in xorg (Ubuntu) "[natty] Video corruption on kernel 2.6.38-1-generic and nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 230M] (rev a2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713781 [20:34] oh, *that* [20:34] alex_mayorga: yeah, I see that too, but that's *before* X comes up [20:35] so that's the KMS framebuffer I would say [20:35] hey guys [20:35] hi coz_ [20:35] yofel, hey guy :) [20:35] yofel: but you do get X, right? [20:35] I do here [20:35] in my case is all garbled, I think I uploaded the picture of it [20:35] you can add me to the ranks of GPU lockup cards with nouveau though :( [20:36] yeah, I see that too here, but X starts after that with nouveau [20:36] yofel: nVidia? [20:36] alex_mayorga: yep [20:36] I'll probably ping bryce later for some debugging instructions [20:37] mine does start as I can hear the bongo if I type my password, but gdm is all garbled [20:37] nouveau works perfectly fine on my desktop, but my notebook is a mess [20:37] 2.6.37-12 would have to do for now [20:37] I think I actually managed to get a dozen freezes in one hour once [20:38] maybe I should go try edgers, do you now how? [20:38] s/now/know [20:38] or maybe try squeeze :) [20:38] add ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-edgers, probably the wrong URL though [20:38] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa [20:38] x-swat is for stable updates. [20:38] ah, that one ;) [20:38] ah [20:39] Altho you must read the PPA page in launchpad before adding, really. [20:39] Daekdroom: OK, I will thanks! [20:46] at #nouveau they tell me to disable vesafb, can anyone tell me how? [20:48] Has anyone seen anything like bug #713443 before? [20:48] Launchpad bug 713443 in Ubuntu "DSL Router modem doesn't work correctly with MCP61 ethernet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713443 [20:50] alex_mayorga: not really, I think we use vesafb by default now since the last grub changes [20:50] to get plymouth graphical mode to work with non-kms drivers [20:51] well, plymouth is very crucial [20:52] extremely crucial, even [20:52] yeah, but nouveau doesn't seem to like those changes [20:52] first I get graphical plymouth with 640x480 res, then pixel garbage, then X [20:52] plymouth is only fine on shutdown [20:53] nouveau framebuffer rather [20:54] Where's this channel logged? [20:55] !logs | daniel__ [20:55] daniel__: Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [20:58] yofel: so no way to disable it then? [20:58] thank you [20:58] alex_mayorga: I don't know how [20:59] yofel: I see, thanks anyway [20:59] hm... [20:59] setting GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text in /etc/default/grub might help [21:00] yofel: is that to me? [21:01] alex_mayorga: yep [21:02] so I just add "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" anywhere? [21:04] yes [21:05] that should disable the graphical kernel mode that sets vesafb up IIRC [21:05] yofel: let me try that one [21:05] BRB, hopefully :) [21:15] Looks like I fixed network-manager. [21:16] Aw.. It's still not working alright :( [21:21] yofel: nothing except this time the text from the boot stayed in there :) [21:21] :S [21:22] any other tips? [21:41] howdy-- nVidia user here.. I [21:41] whoops, hit enter.. I've tried every driver I can think of on 11.04, and haven't been able to get 3d working yet [21:41] Is this likely to be fixed soon or is it fixed already? ..or is it going to be a week or two or something? [21:42] I've just done an upgrade using the terminal method and it still says 10.10? [21:42] says where? [21:43] on the loading screen [21:43] and monitor window [21:43] system monitor [21:44] hmm - can you do a uname -a and tell me what it says? [21:44] ah, the magic or release notes [21:45] 2.6.35-25-generic [21:45] sounds like it hasn't upgraded [21:45] :( [21:45] ok, so how did you upgrade? [21:46] from the dos window [21:46] how? [21:46] (It's not a dos window, it's a shell) [21:46] :$ [21:46] yeh, so what did you do to upgrade [21:47] I typed "update-manager -d" [21:48] it said a new distro is available [21:48] ok, then what? [21:48] 11.04 [21:48] then I followed the prompts [21:48] intructions [21:49] any errors? [21:49] it asked me whether I wanted to keep maverick or install newer version [21:49] nope [21:49] got to the restart at the end of the script/install [21:49] how long did it take? [21:49] about 45 mins [21:50] it downloaded the distro about a 1gig I think and then started the install [21:50] all looked well [21:51] until I rebooted [21:51] :( [21:52] odd, sounds reasonable - did you tick the thing about trying stuff in aufs ? [21:53] yes [21:53] hmm, I've never done that and don't know how it works, it's supposed to let you revert to the old-unupgraded version, and it sounds like you've done that somehow [21:54] I'm running it again [21:54] got this: WARNING: Failed to read mirror file [21:55] now it's calculating the changes [21:55] some hd grinding going on :$ [21:57] hmm...E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. [21:59] any more errors before that ? [22:00] A deprecation warning [22:00] can you paste the full set of errors to a pastebin? [22:01] not used it yet :( [22:02] Checking for a new ubuntu release [22:02] /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/progress/old.py:134: DeprecationWarning: apt.progress.FetchProgress is deprecated. [22:02] theres 9 of those [22:03] relating to different packages [22:04] extracting 'natty.tar.gz' [22:04] authenticate 'natty.tar.gz' against 'natty.tar.gz.gpg' [22:04] then the error I just posted [22:05] be much better if you could paste to a pastebin, but still, that all looks OK [22:25] how do I get back the calendar applet? [22:26] using ubuntu classic desktop [22:55] hey guys can anyone recommend me a easy to setup SIP server ? [22:55] with TLS support [23:04] asterisk? [23:06] too complex for a simple test genii-around [23:06] is it safe to remove 5) xserver-xorg-video-nv ? [23:08] should be, it's not used anyway these days [23:08] ok [23:08] I got an upgrade pending on that [23:08] yofel: anyidea why gwibber is showing *old* notifications bubbles? [23:09] nope, I don't use it [23:16] !info ser [23:16] ser (source: ser): high-performance SIP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0-4ubuntu1 (natty), package size 1424 kB, installed size 3740 kB [23:16] hm [23:16] i can't wait to try unity on the live cd [23:17] BUGabundo: I'm not sure how easy or not it is to set up, but probably less work than asterisk [23:17] will try sipwitch [23:18] will keep an eye on that ser, genii-around [23:27] proposal: rename ubuntu classic desktop to "natty light" [23:28] ahaha