[00:14] <kristian-aalborg> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html
[00:14] <kristian-aalborg> seem to be an actual thing
[00:16] <seidos> that is awesome.  why aren't you in the offtopic channel #ubuntu-beginners-team?  i tried msging you in there but you weren't there T_T
[00:17]  * kristian-aalborg joins
[00:42] <yax51> WOOT WOOT!!!
[00:42] <seidos> -_-
[00:42] <gunndawg> hey seidos can I PM you a sec? I got somethin to show ya
[00:42] <seidos> who let the dogs out?
[00:43] <yax51> so I figured out how to turn my old netgear router into a switch
[00:43] <seidos> gunndawg: i'm sure you can
[00:43] <gunndawg> seidos, May I? ;)
[00:43] <yax51> :D
[00:43] <seidos> gunndawg: only if you should ;)
[00:43] <seidos> and you probably should!
[00:44]  * seidos laughs
[00:44] <seidos> absurd!
[00:44] <yax51> and you know what the dumb part was? it had nothing to do with configuration at all, I simply didn't use the WAN port like I should have and connected my internet straight into a LAN port...
[01:14] <seidos> gunndawg: how do you get the system stats on your desktop?
[01:18] <gunndawg> seidos, download "conky" and I'll send you the config file to look like mine (otherwise it looks bad)
[01:20] <seidos> gunndawg: all right.  downloaded.
[01:21] <gunndawg> ok let me pastebin the confi file, just copy/paste it into the conky config file you have now and save it
[01:21] <gunndawg> seidos, its in /etc/conky btw
[01:22] <gunndawg> http://www.ubuntu.pastebin.com/5TTfVp4M
[01:22] <seidos> gunndawg: UNKNOWN PASTE ID!
[01:23] <seidos> - Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted!
[01:23] <seidos> i got that error when i clicked
[01:23] <gunndawg> ok hang on
[01:23] <gunndawg> http://www.ubuntu.pastebin.com/CQjQ1fnp
[01:23] <seidos> no worries, i'm not in a hurry
[01:23] <gunndawg> so replace that with ur current config, save it and type conky in a terminal
[01:24] <gunndawg> then you can edit it how you want, you can change the colors, you'll see that in the config file
[01:24] <seidos> ah, i should make a symlink to it from ~/
[01:24] <seidos> so that it gets backed up
[01:24] <gunndawg> well install it and make sure it works
[01:24] <gunndawg> replace urs with mine, and run conky in term
[01:26] <seidos> yes \o\ /o/
[01:26] <gunndawg> :)
[01:26] <seidos> i should look at the config file
[01:26] <gunndawg> now you can edit the color of each thing
[01:26] <gunndawg> just look in the config
[01:26] <gunndawg> yeah
[01:26] <seidos> i think i'd prefer black text on this background
[01:26] <seidos> or, i should just change the background to black
[01:26] <gunndawg> you can easily change it to black text
[01:26] <gunndawg> in the config
[01:27] <gunndawg> just go to each section and change color to black
[01:27] <seidos> i actually would prefer a black background, but...it's not working for some reason
[01:30] <gunndawg> hmm
[01:30] <gunndawg> what part are you trying to edit
[01:32] <seidos> just trying to set the background in gnome
[01:32] <seidos> right clicking desktop, clicking background
[01:32] <seidos> change to a solid color
[01:32] <seidos> doesn't take
[01:32] <gunndawg> works fine for me
[01:32] <seidos> hmmm, maybe i'm missing something
[01:34] <gunndawg> maybe a brain cell?
[01:34] <gunndawg> ;)
[01:35] <seidos> maybe ;)
[01:35] <seidos> i tried right clicking an image, and setting it as the background, that didn't do it either.
[01:35] <seidos> but i don't really know how it does its thing
[01:35] <gunndawg> hmmm
[01:35] <gunndawg> try log out and log back in?
[01:35] <gunndawg> maybe a reboot ?
[01:37]  * seidos refuses to reboot
[01:37] <seidos> there is seeding to be done...
[01:37] <gunndawg> ah
[01:37] <seidos> and coding...even though i am presently stumped
[01:38] <gunndawg> you didnt tell me you were coding right now, what language ?
[01:38] <gunndawg> and also, seeding torrents can get you busted by certain ISP's
[01:38] <seidos> and maybe investigation as to how exactly the desktop image is set
[01:38] <seidos> python
[01:38] <gunndawg> when did you start coding in python? lol
[01:38] <seidos> gunndawg: that's sad
[01:38] <gunndawg> you didnt tell me
[01:38] <seidos> i said i was working on projecteuler
[01:38] <gunndawg> yeah but you didnt say it was in python
[01:38] <seidos> sorry, what other language would i use but python?
[01:38] <gunndawg> c, c++, shell
[01:39] <gunndawg> umm, what else
[01:39] <seidos> perl, php
[01:39] <gunndawg> sure
[01:39] <gunndawg> send me ur source
[01:39] <seidos> yeah, python is easiest for me right now
[01:39] <gunndawg> python is the easiest language out of them all, to learn
[01:40] <gunndawg> I started with it last night and already have a full blown app finished, that should tell you something
[01:40] <gunndawg> perhaps we should move this to offtopic or in private
[01:40] <seidos> gunndawg: how do you paste an entire file from vim into pastebin?  yG used to do it iirc, but not anymore
[01:41] <seidos> gunndawg: yeah, OT
[01:41] <gunndawg> seidos, if I am gonna pastebin something I usually just gedit, it
[01:41] <seidos> gunndawg: same here
[01:44] <seidos> any ideas why this doesn't work:  metta@r2d2:/etc/conky$ ln ~/conky.conf /etc/conky/conky.conf
[01:44] <seidos> ln: creating hard link `/etc/conky/conky.conf' => `/home/metta/conky.conf': Invalid cross-device link
[01:44] <Dutch70> gunndawg: not to interrupt, but what did you start with to learn python? is there a program? lessons? I'd like to learn it also.
[01:46] <gunndawg> Dutch70, I'll show you a good series of video tutorials
[01:46] <gunndawg> seidos, I am not to sure
[01:47] <Dutch70> gunndawg: That would be great
[01:47] <gunndawg> duanedesign, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mf0h3HphEA
[01:48] <gunndawg> he has like over 50 video tutorials so just keep following along, then he gets into wxPython tutorials which is making GUI programs
[01:48] <gunndawg> Dutch70, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mf0h3HphEA
[01:48] <gunndawg> that link was for you, oops
[01:48] <gunndawg> but like I said, hes got like over 50 video tutorials that start small and eventually grow, then after those he moves onto creating GUI apps with python
[01:49] <Dutch70> gunndawg: lol...bookmarked, thank you very much. I'll let you get back to what you were doing now.
[01:50] <gunndawg> Dutch70, http://min.us/mveYeiq
[01:50] <gunndawg> thats a screenshot of a program I just recently finished using Python, its basically a front-end to apt commands
[01:51] <Dutch70> Nice!!! ...nice wallpaper too.
[01:51] <gunndawg> heh thx
[01:53] <Dutch70> gunndawg: ah, thank you. going to watch some videos, see ya.
[01:53] <gunndawg> Dutch70, your welcome, enjoy
[02:15] <seidos> anyone know what package i can use to open .rar files?
[02:25] <pleia2> unrar
[03:51] <dtp> can anyone explain in simple explanation how to install anything on ubuntu?
[03:53] <dtp> did that close his page or does this mean i'm still on a irc chat?
[03:53] <dtp> i guess that was the same thing but still if anyone here can still see this. please let me know
[03:54] <pleia2> dtp: you install software using the Software Center (it's in the main menu)
[03:55] <dtp> ok. sounds simple. but what if i were installing a program to run with the wine program>
[03:56] <pleia2> unfortuantely I don't use wine so I'm not too familiar with how to install programs with it
[03:57]  * seidos beeps like r2d2
[03:57] <seidos> dtp: have you tried running the setup.exe file with wine?
[03:58] <dtp> thanks. i do appreciate it though. I just produce music and recently switched to Ubuntu. Now i still want to use some of the Windows programs for the production
[03:58] <johnny77> dtp: http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-f3515230c198befe0279d32c448d9c8da63be66f
[03:58] <dtp> no. but sounds like it could work. downloading wine now.
[03:58] <dtp> thanks johnny i'll read up on it
[03:58] <johnny77> dtp: no problem
[03:59] <seidos> dtp: you may want to check winehq.org to see how the software you want to run is rated
[03:59] <dtp> check out my site(s) if you want for the help   www.myspace.com/collectivesite and www.myspace.com/tgitcotr
[04:00] <dtp> thanks. wine is almost downloaded
[04:01] <dtp> i've seen the program work on a youtube vid. seidos but i'll probably not want to lock my system up either.
[04:01] <johnny77> dtp: I agree with seidos. Windows programs are rated on winehq.org on how well they run within wine.
[04:03] <seidos> i never click myspace links
[04:03] <dtp> i have a sound cloud if your afraid of the big myspace site. lol
[04:03] <dtp> just have some of the best on myspace
[04:04] <seidos> dtp: haha afraid
[04:05] <dtp> yeah. myspace is kinda scary with all it's music and stuff.
[04:05] <seidos> i don't find it scary at all.
[04:06] <dtp> just not into myspace music then?
[04:06] <seidos> dtp: nope.  this is also really isn't a place to advertise it.
[04:07] <seidos> or...not *the* place
[04:08] <dtp> yeah. i'm not trying to. i was thanking someone for there help with the only way other than thanks that i have from being a new ubuntu user. obviously he didn't check it or like it enough to respond
[04:08] <dtp> plus he could really like music.
[04:08] <dtp> lol
[04:09] <dtp> but yes i understand it's the wrong chat to advertise on.
[04:12] <dtp> wine is taking a while to download and apply chages... is this typical?
[04:13] <seidos> dtp: you might want to try talking about music in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-beginners-team
[04:13] <dtp> np
[04:13] <dtp> team? really?
[04:14] <seidos> dtp: maybe on a friday night.  i never had much trouble with it.  but i haven't used it in months.
[04:14] <seidos> dtp: that's what i heard
[04:14] <dtp> hmm. o.k.   maybe i could make music for some ubuntu developers.
[04:15] <dtp> i hope this downloads quicker. i have to be at the beach tomorrow. and need this computer cause i'll be there all weekend
[04:15] <dtp> and it's late and my mommy needs to tuck me in.
[04:15] <dtp> lol
[04:16] <dtp> how do i join the other irc chats and stay on this one?
[04:17] <JoeMaverickSett> dtp: /join #ubuntu-beginners-team for example
[07:49] <bioterror> hobgoblin, you can be only on one channel at time? :D
[07:49] <hobgoblin> what?
[08:03] <kaushal> Hi
[08:03] <kaushal> can someone please guide me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-February/239556.html ?
[09:15] <anselmo_crowley> hi?
[09:16] <anselmo_crowley> is there anybody here?
[09:16] <CensoredBiscuit> hello anselmo_crowley
[09:16] <CensoredBiscuit> !ask | anselmo_crowley
[09:16] <ubot2> anselmo_crowley: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[09:19] <anselmo_crowley> I think I messed up my sister's laptop. I already asked in the ubuntu forum but I wanted to try my luck here. She asked me to erase her Windows partition and I did but now the whole thing doesn't work. I can't start Ubuntu and when I use a LiveCD it tells me it can't access the /home partition. What can I do? (BTW is it rude or something to ask in ubuntu forum and here at the same time?)
[09:21] <kristian-aalborg> echo radiotray hold | dpkg --set-selections
[09:21] <CensoredBiscuit> anselmo_crowley: No its not considered rude
[09:21] <kristian-aalborg> is this really enough if I want a package to never be updated?
[09:22] <CensoredBiscuit> anselmo_crowley: are you burning the live cd where its bootable?
[09:23] <yofel> kristian-aalborg: usually yes, the only other thing you could do would be to add an apt pin
[09:25] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: cool
[09:29] <kristian-aalborg> I just type the name of the package - no numbers or something?
[09:35] <yofel> no, hold means stick to the current version
[09:38] <kristian-aalborg> nice
[09:39] <kristian-aalborg> I wish I'd done it before stuff broke, though ;
[09:39] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[12:47] <JackyAlcine> hehehe bioterror.:D
[12:47] <AbhijiT> :)
[12:47] <JackyAlcine> I should have sent a part msg.
[12:48] <JackyAlcine> Noo! lol
[12:48] <AbhijiT> :P
[12:48] <JackyAlcine> Grr, I was close. ;D
[12:48] <AbhijiT> JackyAlcine, are you the one heading wintermute project?
[12:55] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:56] <AbhijiT> hi
[14:25] <earthling_> Anyone know what the unolib3 and ure updates for?  It says "the list of changes is not available yet".
[15:05] <duanedesign> earthling_: are you looking for the changelog?
[15:09] <bioterror> hi duane
[15:10]  * suprengr is sad... used 'hibernate' on 10.04 for first time today - when I got home and pressed power button... Ubuntu started from 'normal' startup, not from hibernate state.  boo! hiss!
[15:10] <bioterror> suspend ftw
[15:14] <suprengr> bioterror: FTW may refer to: Fort Worth, Texas. Amtrak code for Fort Worth Intermodal Transportation Center; IATA code for Fort Worth Meacham International Airport ... or sometimes 'For The Win' ;D
[15:14] <kumaanki> hi everyone..
[15:22] <earthling_> duanedesign, yes
[15:22] <earthling_> "There’s no page with this address in Launchpad."
[15:23] <duanedesign> the last changelog at changelogs.ubuntu.com for ure is http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_3.2.1-7ubuntu1.1/changelog
[15:26] <earthling_> so those updates should be there?
[15:26] <earthling_> looking
[15:28] <duanedesign> earthling_: looks like ubuntuupdates.org does not have the changes listed yet for uno-libs3 http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/packages/show/301447
[15:29] <earthling_> yeah
[15:33] <earthling_> Has their ever been a problem with installing updates? Should I just always download everything?
[15:33] <duanedesign> earthling_: you are on maverick?
[15:33] <earthling_> lucid
[15:33] <duanedesign> ok
[15:34] <duanedesign> earthling_: If you go to your Software Sources
[15:34] <duanedesign> in Lucid that might still be under System > Admministration > Software Sources
[15:35] <earthling_> ok
[15:35] <duanedesign> or in the Software Center under Edit > Software Sources
[15:35] <earthling_> I see it
[15:35] <duanedesign> earthling_: there is a Updates tab
[15:35] <earthling_> yeah
[15:36] <duanedesign> I have all 4 checked
[15:36] <duanedesign> security, updates, proposed, and backports\
[15:36] <duanedesign> if you are concerned you can do just the top 2
[15:36] <earthling_> I just have important and recommended checked
[15:36] <duanedesign> Security and Recommended
[15:37] <earthling_> yeah top 2
[15:37] <duanedesign> yep
[15:37] <duanedesign> then you are only getting the updates that are the most tested
[15:37] <earthling_> cool
[15:38] <earthling_> so you think they will get around to the changelog later?
[15:38] <earthling_> or sometimes they don't do that
[15:39] <duanedesign> earthling_: they might be using the openoffice changelog since those packages come with open office
[15:40] <earthling_> the same updates went to all the distros perhaps
[15:40] <duanedesign> earthling_: note that if you ever get a bug you can enable those bottom two software sourcees and see if there is a newer package available
[15:41] <duanedesign> but that is just a tip if toy have an issue in the future
[15:41] <duanedesign> you*
[15:42] <earthling_> ic
[15:42] <earthling_> do you always install all the updates?
[15:42] <earthling_> recommended
[15:42] <earthling_> I don't want to slow down my system too
[15:44] <duanedesign> earthling_: yes, definetly if you are only doing the Important and Recommended
[15:45] <duanedesign> those you should always install. Security updates and such are very inportant
[15:45] <JackyAlcine> Gah, I get pinged everytime duanedesign says something.
[15:45] <duanedesign> :)
[15:45] <duanedesign> something
[15:46] <duanedesign> <.<  >,>
[15:46] <JackyAlcine> Lol, I fixed it :p
[15:50] <johnny77> Does the window manager handle right-click menus in applications?
[15:52] <geirha> johnny77: No.
[15:53] <greenage39> Hi am new here, i cant access my web cam, pls can any1 help?
[15:54] <earthling_> Are you guys using maverick, how do you like it?
[15:55] <greenage39> yes maverick is awesome
[15:56] <earthling_> hi greenage39, I'm new too
[15:56] <greenage39> am using it rite now,
[15:56] <earthling_> were you using lucid awhile?
[15:56] <greenage39> then i wld say welcome earthling
[15:56] <earthling_> thx
[15:57] <greenage39> yes i did
[15:57] <johnny77> geirha: What controls it then? It seems intermittently I loose the ability to right-click in the programs I have open.
[15:57] <earthling_> cool
[15:58] <earthling_> greenage39, is it a new webcam?
[15:58] <geirha> johnny77: That would be whatever library is used by the program. A typical gnome application will be using libgtk+
[15:59] <greenage39> nu! its my in built
[15:59] <greenage39> okies i think i jst solved it
[15:59] <earthling_> ok good
[16:00] <greenage39> it working now
[16:00] <johnny77> geirha: So more than one program could use the same library?
[16:00] <greenage39> do u use skype?
[16:00] <earthling_> I haven't tried skype on ubuntu
[16:00] <earthling_> it works well?
[16:01] <greenage39> i think its good but i havent been able to use the video call yet
[16:01] <geirha> johnny77: Yes.
[16:02] <geirha> johnny77: Open a terminal and run   tail -f ~/.xsession-errors    then try to reproduce the problem you're mentioning, and see if any useful error messages appear in the tail output.
[16:06] <earthling_> bbl thanks duanedesign
[16:06] <johnny77> geirha: ok, I'll take a look at it in a few minutes. I've never been able to reproduce it. It just happend then in a few minutes goes away.
[16:08] <geirha> johnny77: Ah, well next time it happens. Open the ~/.xsession-errors file and look at the last few lines. It may have some clues about what went wrong.
[16:20] <johnny77> geirha: Does the xsession-errors continuous or does it start fresh at each login?
[16:36] <geirha> johnny77: Not entirely sure, but I believe it's truncated each time you log in.
[16:38] <ravee> Hey guys! I have a well functioning 10.10 installation (that was originally a 9.10 and then updated) and i have only an old network mapping in my fstba. I dont have a mount entry for my / or my swap. Anyone know if something is changed in 10.10 or something?
[16:38] <ravee> fstab*
[16:42] <ravee> brb, reboot
[16:46] <ravee> Anyone have any thought regardin my fstab? Its really only one entry and that is that single network share
[16:47] <ravee> i wnat to know wher there entrys for my / and swap are :)
[16:52] <geirha> They should be in /etc/fstab. If they're not there, they're nowhere :P
[16:52] <geirha> Is your swap even mounted?  swapon -s
[16:53] <charliemac> bioterror, i'm trying to reformat that fat partition to ntfs using the disk utility but it can't do it...  :|
[16:53] <bioterror> umount? and then try again
[16:54] <geirha> charliemac: It's best to do that in Windows really. In Windows you can convert FAT to NTFS without losing the files.
[16:54] <charliemac> ok well it says error unmounting; operation failed: only root can unmount?
[16:55] <bioterror> use the force!
[16:55] <charliemac> lol nice.  I tried it in windows, too but it was also unsuccessful
[16:55] <charliemac> Let me switch to windows, brb
[16:59] <geirha> ravee: You really should add entries for / and swap in your /etc/fstab.
[17:01] <ravee> geirha: sure but i was interested in knowing how that even can work
[17:02] <geirha> ravee: Well, your swap is most likely not mounted. The system will work without swap.
[17:03] <geirha> your / partition is mounted by the kernel at the early stage of the boot. Once it has that mounted, it will later read /etc/fstab and remount / with the options specified there, and mount all the other entries.
[17:04] <geirha> I'd expect / to still be mounted readonly though, but I've never actually tested with a blank /etc/fstab. It might remount / anyway, even if it's not in fstab.
[17:04] <geirha> Here's three lines from my fstab: http://pastebin.com/fydVcgj1
[17:05] <geirha> You need to change the UUIDs to match your filesystems of course, and possibly change ext3 if you are using a different filesystem.
[17:05] <geirha> sudo blkid /dev/sda1   etc. will give you the relevant information.
[17:07] <ravee> geirha: the / is not mounted as read only actually
[17:07] <ravee> but how can it be mounted without entrys in the fstab? isnt that the explicitly point of fstab?
[17:08] <ravee> if i do a mount -l i see that / is mounted beutifully as ext4 with rw
[17:10] <ravee> Geirha: you are right, the swap is not mounted actually (well not very surprising that one haven't noted that)
[17:11] <charliemac> Ok, so I'm in windows trying to reformat an empty, shared fat partition to ntfs. Should I enable compression?  I'd guess that would be a yes...
[17:11] <seidos> charliemac: i think there is a speed hit to compression.  not sure by how much.
[17:11] <charliemac> So clicking no wouldn't hurt?
[17:12] <seidos> charliemac: not if you have plenty of space
[17:12] <seidos> charliemac: compression will give you extra space, at the expense of speed.  that is all.
[17:12] <charliemac> Ububntu says 18 GB, windows says 16.9gb
[17:13] <ravee> the ntfs compression in wondows is actually slowing down, only use if you got little space avail imo
[17:13] <ravee> windows*
[17:13] <charliemac> ravee: ^
[17:13] <ravee> ^?
[17:16] <ravee> here is a coparison between uncompressed and compressed if needed http://directedge.us/content/to-compress-or-not-to-compress-part-ii
[17:16] <geirha> ravee: In order to read /etc/fstab, it must mount the filesystem where /etc/fstab is located.
[17:16] <charliemac> ravee: Ububntu says 18 GB, windows says 16.9gb
[17:16] <seidos> charliemac: this is interesting.  says it where?  can you get a screenshot?  or paste in pastebin?
[17:17] <geirha> charliemac: In newer Ubuntus, 18GB means 18 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000 bytes. In Windows, 18 GB means 18 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024
[17:17] <ravee> geirha, yeah ofc i didnt think about that. So then it actually manages to automount it in rw mode. I think ill manually fix my fstab ;)
[17:17] <charliemac> geirha: Ok, that makes sense.
[17:18] <ravee> geriha, thanks for the help :)
[17:18] <geirha> charliemac: Some more info on the matter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy
[17:19] <geirha> ravee: np. :)
[17:20] <charliemac> bioterror: I'm in windows trying to reformat an empty, shared fat partition to ntfs. Would I want to do a quick format or not?
[17:20] <bioterror> charliemac, quicky quicky!
[17:20] <charliemac> Actually, either way it gave me an error message lol
[17:21] <bioterror> charliemac, as I've kids, we tend to like quicky with my wife
[17:21] <bioterror> ;D
[17:21] <charliemac> Gotcha ;)
[17:21] <bioterror> is your memstick okay?
[17:21] <ravee> quick just destroys the info about the data, its good enough for if you know that the disk is ok i should think
[17:22] <charliemac> Should I use a memstick?  I don't have one on me, but if I need extra space I have an ipod
[17:23] <charliemac> "Windows cannot format this drive.  Quit any disk utilities or other programs that are using this dirve, and make sure that no window is displaying the contents of the drive."
[17:24] <ravee> do you have disk management and a format box going at the same time ore something?
[17:24] <charliemac> bioterror: to my knowledge, there is no open program doing this.
[17:24] <charliemac> ravee: i don't think so
[17:24] <ravee> do a reboot and your set
[17:24] <ravee> :)
[17:25] <charliemac> i've rebooted 6 times lol!
[17:25] <ravee> and same error on each reboot?
[17:25] <charliemac> Yes, Should I adjust the allocation unit size?
[17:27] <ravee> you would actually get that same error if you where to try to format the drive that windows was on
[17:28] <ravee> if its a physical disk and you really want it formated just boot up killdisk or dban or something and it will be done in a jiffy (unless its damaged)
[17:35] <charliemac> ravee: it's only a virtual partition, seperate from the c:/ drive
[20:26] <wmorri> Hi I am new and trying to decide which focus group I want to join, I have experience with documentation with fedora, but I have triaged bugs too. So I am not sure where to go?
[20:26] <zkriesse> wmorri: Move on over to -team
[20:26] <wmorri> ok
[20:26] <alexMocanu> Hello, everybody!
[20:27] <zkriesse> Hello alexMocanu !
[21:10] <jmarsden> ibuclaw: phillw says you have seen the same or similar issue with Lubuntu installs in virtualbox that I am seeing... would it be good to work on figuring out that issue together?
[21:12] <phillw> jmarsden: yes, I think chatting to ibuclaw would be a good idea - As I said, I don't use VB but I did see his mention of problems.
[21:13] <jmarsden> phillw: He apparently joined this channel about 9 minutes ago, so I thought he was around.  Might have been a disconnect and autoreconnect, though.
[21:13] <phillw> jmarsden: he does pick up on his pings.
[21:14] <phillw> he may be busy on the main forum or going through his mail.
[21:14] <jmarsden> OK.
[22:51] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> I have a problem installing ubuntu desktop on my cumputer.. it pops up with an error. "apt configuration problem" (an attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed.)
[22:51] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> why does it do that?
[22:53] <seidos> WiiHosting-Kaspe:  here's what i think it could be 1.  bad cd  2.  bad HD  3.  bad ram
[22:54] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> the problem is taht i use USB to install. then it must be the HDD :/
[22:55] <seidos> WiiHosting-Kaspe: no, you are forgetting *your* idea.  4.  bad liveusb
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> WiiHosting-Kaspe: How did you create the USB?
[22:55] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> i followed the guide on ubuntu's site
[22:56] <seidos> WiiHosting-Kaspe: you're not alone it seems http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2102365.html
[22:56] <MrChrisDruif> WiiHosting-Kaspe: Which platform?
[22:57] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> im using windows 7 to create the USB and then install to a clean HDD on my laptop
[22:57] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> there were no problems with 10.04
[22:58] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> now i wanted to try 10.10
[22:58] <seidos> there were problems with karmic, creating liveusbs of future distros.  i was only able to get a karmic liveusb made
[22:59] <seidos> WiiHosting-Kaspe: can you try a network install?  or a cd?
[22:59] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> i dont have a CD drive :/
[23:00] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> how to web install?
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm...it seems Ubuntu recommends Universal USB Installer....I would recommend UnetBootin on Windows :)
[23:00] <seidos> WiiHosting-Kaspe: dunno about web install, but if you had an extra computer you could do do bootp i think it's called
[23:01] <seidos> i've done it a few times
[23:01] <seidos> well, i'm going to bow out, i don't have a windows system
[23:01] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> okay ill se what i can do here ;)
[23:02] <seidos> oh, idea!  you might be able to get a liveusb made if you're near a LUG or ubuntu user group, WiiHosting-Kaspe
[23:06] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> could it be the 64 bit version that cant work with the hardware?
[23:08] <MrChrisDruif> On what hardware were you testing WiiHosting-Kaspe?
[23:08] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: good question
[23:09] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> its an acer laptop acer aspire 6935g with an intel centrino 2 cpu.. never had problems with windows 64x
[23:11] <MrChrisDruif> Well...if the laptop has a 64bit capable CPU, than it should work no problem...I'll check your hardware specs...brb
[23:11] <seidos> that isn't entirely fair.  acer doesn't actively support linux, does it?
[23:12] <seidos> WiiHosting-Kaspe: i'm sure the issue is in the liveusb creation process
[23:12] <seidos> if i had money, that's what i would bet on
[23:18] <seidos> WiiHosting-Kaspe: do you have a link to the guide you followed for creating the liveusb?
[23:19] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download  scroll a bit down  ;)
[23:20] <MrChrisDruif> seidos: Do we care that almost all hardware vendors don't support Linux?
[23:20] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> Have had server and desktop on it before so no problem to run linux
[23:20] <MrChrisDruif> WiiHosting-Kaspe: And like I said; Ubuntu suggests Universal USB Installer or something like that....but I HIGHLY recommend UnetBootin for Windows :D
[23:21] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> i have tried now cross fingers ;)
[23:23] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> and it runs mac osx werywell to ;)
[23:23] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> very wel*
[23:24] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> same problem as before... i used UnetBootin this time
[23:25] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> ill try with 32x then
[23:25] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> 86x sry
[23:28] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: i care.  i don't speak for everybody, though.
[23:29] <seidos> WiiHosting-Kaspe: how did you install ubuntu linux on your system in the past?
[23:29] <MrChrisDruif> seidos: I didn't mean it like that :)
[23:29] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: i think it bears repeating, but i am sensitive to the political issues surrounding it.
[23:30] <MrChrisDruif> WiiHosting-Kaspe: Was the ISO downloaded correct? Did you do checksum etc?
[23:31] <seidos> yeah, a google search hasn't shone much light on the "official" way to create an ubuntu liveusb in windows.
[23:32] <seidos> well, there's the community documentation:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#From Windows
[23:33] <MrChrisDruif> seidos: Ofc I would like it very much if hardware vendors would start to support Linux, but that dream is still a few years away I'm afraid :)
[23:34] <WiiHosting-Kaspe> the iso is downloaded correrct yes. in the past i used the sae program ubuntu recommends on their page / guide. but i cant remember if it was 64 or 32 bit
[23:34] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: it's even further away if it remains a secret :o
[23:35] <MrChrisDruif> Woohoo...let's keep it secret that we've got Linux running on their hardware :P........(just kidding ofc;))
[23:35] <seidos> WiiHosting-Kaspe: so you followed this link:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#From Windows ?  utilized "usb-creator.exe"?
[23:36] <MrChrisDruif> WiiHosting-Kaspe: A download-manager might say it's in, but it can be slightly off....alsways checksum the ISO :D
[23:36] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: yeah, i'm not sure if windows has a built in md5 checker like ubuntu linux does
[23:36] <MrChrisDruif> seidos: No, but a good one I've used many times is winmd5sum
[23:37] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: yeah, but it should be included
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> It integrates into the mouse-menu (right-click menu)
[23:37] <seidos> i'm sure there are some out there
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> seidos: It's not from Windows, hence it won't be included :)
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> But you are right, Windows *should* come with something like that...
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> Even a terminal command would be nice :P
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> But then again....Windows *should* do so much O:-)
[23:39] <xyclo> Hi, I want to install lowlatency kernel 2.6.37 on Ubuntu Studio 10.04. I found building instructions for Gentoo and in German. Anybody knows where I can get directions in english, or a pre-compiled one??
[23:39] <Reaper50435> I need help and the kubuntu channel cant help me
[23:41] <Reaper50435> when I updated my system the laptops keyboard and mouse dont work but a usb set does,  when I login I get this: I updated my system then my keyboard and mouse doesnt work but and usb set does, then when I login I get this Warning: Cannot open ConsoleKit session: Unable to open session: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct
[23:42] <Reaper50435> what do I need to do to fix this
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> xyclo: I've found this *WARNING* use at own risk: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[23:47] <MrChrisDruif> Reaper50435: So when you've got a keyboard/mouse plugged in, you can't use your laptop's keyboard/mouse? And when you unplug it?
[23:49] <xyclo> thanks
[23:49] <xyclo> i have this ppa
[23:50] <xyclo> but i don't see any low latency kernel...Am i missin something?
[23:50] <xyclo> g
[23:50] <MrChrisDruif> xyclo: Adding the ppa is step one :)
[23:50] <Reaper50435> no I cant use the keyboard and mouse on the laptop but if I use a usb keyboard and mouse the usb ones work
[23:51] <MrChrisDruif> I think if you'll go to synaptic and search for lowlatency you'll find what your looking for :)
[23:51] <Reaper50435> well that might work if it was installed
[23:51] <MrChrisDruif> Reaper50435: What installed?
[23:52] <xyclo> So I thought, but I cannot find anything newer than 2.6.32.24.25
[23:52] <xyclo> And that is in another rep that I found and added
[23:52] <Reaper50435> synaptic
[23:52] <MrChrisDruif> Isn't it installed by default? (I don't have a clean system :P)
[23:53] <Reaper50435> no not with kde
[23:53] <jmarsden> Reaper50435: OK, try  apt-cache search lowlatency  instead
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, I'm using Gnome :)
[23:53] <Reaper50435> as root
[23:53] <jmarsden> as anyone.
[23:54] <jmarsden> searching does not alter your machine...
[23:54] <MrChrisDruif> It's just searching, no root required
[23:54] <MrChrisDruif> But that about synaptic was for xyclo
[23:54] <xyclo> haha, I got it thx. I'll try
[23:54] <jmarsden> Oh, oops!
[23:55] <Reaper50435> ok it didnt do anything just went back to command line
[23:55] <Reaper50435> o
[23:55] <jmarsden> Reaper50435: Sorry, I was confusing you and xyclo
[23:55] <xyclo> Well, yes, I got the same info I get on Synaptic.
[23:55] <Reaper50435> jmarsden: its ok it happens
[23:55] <MrChrisDruif> I'll try to use nicks more when I'm helping more then one :P
[23:56] <xyclo> 2.6.32 is available from a repos I found somewhere
[23:56] <xyclo> not on the default
[23:56] <xyclo> I can follow Reaper50435
[23:56] <xyclo> ,
[23:56] <jmarsden> xyclo: So what makes you think you need a more recent kernel than those provided by Ubuntu?
[23:57] <xyclo> Well, Ubuntu does not provide the Kernel
[23:57] <xyclo> It's on somebody's repository
[23:57] <xyclo> sooo,
[23:57] <xyclo> I thought I'd get it from a reliable source, and as new as possible
[23:57] <MrChrisDruif> Reaper50435: Did you try unplugging your hardware to see if you laptop hardware works after that?
[23:58] <jmarsden> So why not just use a low latency kernel that does exist?  Do you have hardware nly a very very new kernel will work with??
[23:58] <Reaper50435> yeah still not working
[23:58] <xyclo> I am, very likely, going to use it
[23:58] <xyclo> I just wanted to shop around for a newer version before I plunge :)
[23:59] <jmarsden> xyclo: Going for "latest new stuff" for no good reason is usually a source of pain in the software world.
[23:59] <xyclo> I heard somebody built the 2.6.37 low latency
[23:59] <seidos> ubuntu comes with a kernel, but you can upgrade to a new kernel, but if you do that xyclo some packages may not be binary compatible.
[23:59] <seidos> xyclo: have you checked here: http://kernel.org/