[05:13] Is it difficult to bridge between a wireless Ethernet (802.11g or 11n) and wired (100baseTX) on Ubuntu? [05:14] ball: I've always wondered about that one too... I use to do it in windows all the time, which was handy for my xbox when I use to use it [05:15] it shouldn't be. I've bridged between 3g & ethernet a few times, not too messy [05:15] HazRPG: the only computer in our house that's useable (because it has a network connection) is a very broken old Xubuntu laptop. [05:16] HazRPG: I neeed to get something running tonight and if I have to install Ubuntu on a desktop for that to happen, I will. [05:16] I dunno if the network widget does it tho, I did it the old-fashioned way [05:17] thinking about it, it was a dhcp server, caching name server, ip_forward & something involving masquerade in iptables. maybe not as straight forward as I remembered [05:17] shauno: I'm not afraid of the command line. [05:18] altho a lot of that was because the other machine I was trying to use was a brain-dead embedded firmware, so I needed dhcp & dns because there was no other way to configure it [05:19] If I bridge between the two LANs, the router should be able to serve DHCP even to the wired devices. [05:20] I know it sounds like a rtfm, but http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html#SUMMARY [05:20] I don't want or need NAT [05:21] think this is more what ball is trying to do: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-632062.html [05:22] never heard of bridge-utils, that may be easier :) [05:22] briding is nat tho; it's just snat instead of what you're used to [05:23] or possibly this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/howto-bridge-wireless-and-wired-network-interfaces-369455/ [05:23] What is "snat"? [05:23] that last one seems easier to do [05:23] Secure/Source NAT [05:24] routing multiple addresses on one interface to multiple on another [05:24] sometimes the S can also mean Stateful [05:24] depends who you ask :/ [05:24] not sure what the scheme is actually called, but iptables calls it snat :) [05:24] think cisco classify SNAT as Stateful NAT [05:25] shauno: That sounds like layer 3 stuff [05:25] it's many-to-many instead of one-to-many [05:25] I'm talking about simple Ethernet bridging [05:25] pretty much [05:25] check the 2nd link I put ball, does bridging in a few commands [05:26] HazRPG: Thanks, I'll try that. [05:26] it's only simple because things shrink wrap it .. it's all the same to the kernel :) [05:30] time to head off. good luck with that, should be pretty straight forward in most tools [05:30] shauno: erm... no. [05:31] shauno: catch ya later dude [05:33] ball: apparently there is a gui way to do it... [05:33] http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1206629 [05:33] last post [05:34] I've seen that tick box a thousand times, but never thought it was the way to bridge connections... [05:34] hope that solves it dude [05:35] HazRPG: Thanks. I may have to resort to that. [05:35] you make it sound like the gui one is bad :P [05:36] guessing xubuntu doesn't include network-manager [05:37] * HazRPG goes in search of snacks, "brb" [05:41] ball: let me know how it goes :) [05:48] xubu does come with nm [06:04] * ball tinkers [07:05] * MartijnVdS listens to Magnetic Fields [07:59] Hi [07:59] can someone please guide me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-February/239556.html ? [08:11] what's the problem? [08:11] I only see hardware listingsa [08:11] -a [08:11] kaushal: [08:30] need help here [08:30] i'm trying to install tor-proxy and i have this error ? W: Failed to fetch http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org/dists/maverick/Release.gpg Got a single header line over 360 chars [08:31] so whats the problem ?? [08:32] MartijnVdS: please give me a moment [08:35] Morning [08:35] morning === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:59] what gallery managers do you use? [10:00] (f-spot, shotwell, picasa, etc) [10:01] I don't use any [10:01] though I know I should [10:06] I've always just used nautilus with thumbnails and made my own file structure but looking for one for a friend which is easy to use and can handle existing folder structure [10:09] I use shotwell [10:09] used to use f-spot before it turned into a huge memory eater [10:09] also, shotwell is fsat [10:10] cool [10:10] my DSL modem is broken... I only have ipv6 :) [10:11] ah [10:11] there's v4 :) [10:23] MartijnVdS: lol [10:24] nigelb: I could get my (G)mail, I could get facebook, I could get to my VPS (irc) [10:25] Neat [10:25] I wonder if my provider started v6 support [10:26] nigelb: never if you don't ask them ;) [10:26] (really, ask them.. "lack of consumer demand" is one of the reasons cited for not doing it) [10:26] I'll bug them when I pay the bill ;) [10:27] * MartijnVdS works for his ISP, so no bill there ;) [10:28] hehehe [10:28] Good morning Ubuntu fans :) [10:28] Never say that in #ubuntu-uk. its always minecraft fans here :p [10:28] nigelb: #ubuntu-uk-minecraft [10:28] I did consider the possibility if might be misinterpretted, nigelb - hence the smile [10:29] Sadly my main Ubuntu machine is currently in storage, so I have to put up with running virtual machines for the moment. [10:29] MartijnVdS: I'm beign pulled more and more into minecraft. Must resist. [10:30] * dwatkins is tempted to play Sim City 2000 again [10:30] nigelb: don't do it! you have so much else to live for! [10:31] dwatkins: Sim City 2000, wooo :) [10:31] dwatkins: I have SC4 on my Windows box (steam :) [10:33] wow [10:33] Debian is actually releasing [10:34] Its known to happen once in 2 years [10:34] :-P [10:34] nigelb: it's still surprising when it does [10:35] I guess they finally decided things are stable enough. [10:35] MartijnVdS: oldstable is now lenny :D [10:35] great [10:35] I'll be helpdesking my colleagues on Monday 8-) [10:35] all buildscripts will fail [10:35] * nigelb watching @debian [10:36] hi all [10:37] Debian on Twitter, nigelb? [10:37] what do recommend as an alternative to itunes on ubuntu? Ideally with a large podcast library like itunes [10:38] dwatkins: yup [10:44] Sleepy yawn [10:44] Morning peeps [10:47] Mr-Woof: rhythmbox and banshee are both itunes alternatives [10:47] Mr-Woof: banshee comes with miro-guide, which contains lots of podcasts [10:47] cool, I'll check it out now :-) [10:47] Mr-Woof: but you can always subscribe to podcasts (also using rhythmbox) through a podcasts's website [10:49] yeah I know, I was hoping for a large library as I'm a bit lazy :P [10:49] well, miro guide :) [10:49] lol :) [11:00] morning all! [11:01] hey popey :) [11:05] aloha [11:10] morning czajkowski :) [11:11] dwatkins: howdy [11:11] where you ? [11:14] * dwatkins wonders if there's a word missing there and whether that was directed at him [11:14] dwatkins: ae you at fosdem [11:15] if so where are you [11:15] oh right, no I am at home [11:17] ahh pook [11:18] I look forward to attending someday when I am actually a developer :) [11:22] debian n-m is still as long as their release cycle? :P [11:24] greetings, mentlegen [11:25] fosdem does seem to be lots of people http://identi.ca/attachment/38591073 [11:26] wow [11:26] that's more than usual [11:26] that was for Eben Moglen's keynote [11:26] I would be tempted to see that [11:27] not really found any other compelling reason to go there though [11:27] ooh, I'd very much like to see that, AlanBell ... *runs to the search engine* [11:28] Eben Moglen.. Stallman 2.0? :) [11:29] Stallman's lawyer [11:29] like stallman, but better dressed [11:29] and with sensible hair [11:29] "I'm not coming, I'm sending my lawyer" [11:30] Moglen is great [11:30] MartijnVdS: that'd be the best sickday ever [11:30] * cps wonders why youtube has dropped support for .ogv's all of a sudden [11:30] is he less "FREE SOFTWARE OR DEATH"? [11:30] cps: it wants you to use webm ;) [11:31] MartijnVdS: I used MPEG4 >_< [11:31] cps: freedom-hater! [11:31] I know =( [11:32] kdenlive \o/ [11:32] kdwhat? [11:32] kdenlive [11:32] what is it [11:32] it's a non-linear video editor [11:32] ah [11:33] pitivi for kde-weirdos ;) [11:33] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKxzK9xtSXM&feature=related [11:33] pitivi is actually more rubbish than kdenlive [11:33] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJC3VVC8vj0 [11:33] I tried to upload that video as an ogv [11:33] but it showed a green screen [11:34] yes, I'm a rail enthusiast lol [11:34] hey adampc :) [11:37] "trainspotter" [11:39] hey cps :) [11:39] MartijnVdS: Yes, I'm a trainspotter. :p [11:40] "whatcha gonna do about it" [11:43] cps: the green screen isnt pitivi, its the oggencoder bug [11:44] cps: also, "TRAINS!" [11:44] :) === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List: http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines - http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting Thursday February 10th 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | \o/ Chickens and minecraft and trains [11:45] popey: Is that a trainspotting zombie? [11:45] heh [11:45] no CAKE in the topic [11:45] so wrong [11:46] ok [11:47] my computer is probably showing signs that it's becoming unstable [11:47] I've been able to run it problem-free until a couple of days ago [11:47] ever since then it's been crashing at a random time [11:48] I don't know what's causing the shenanigans. is there such a terminal command that can be used to diagnose constant system crashes? === czajkowski changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List: http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines - http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting Thursday February 10th 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | \o/ Chickens and minecraft and trains and CAKE [11:49] cat /var/log/messages [11:50] and ponies [11:50] never forget [11:50] chickens [11:50] MINECRAFT [11:50] TRAINS [11:52] dwatkins: uh, /var/log/messages has 5873 lines [11:52] dunno if someone would be willing to read it all? haha [11:55] mr. walker is a bit broken [11:55] oh dear [11:55] but he has shoes this time and not flip flops [11:55] so we're doing well [11:56] did he go to delirium? [11:57] he did indeed [12:02] 9 [12:02] 8 [12:02] afternoonings everyone. [12:03] 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 ....BOOM!! [12:03] ouch. :( [12:03] o/ [12:03] * brobostigon looks at his head, and finds schrapnal. [12:03] afternoon brobostigon :) [12:04] * danfish is about to explode from MSG overload at Chinese New Year last nite [12:04] afternoonings cps :) [12:04] * cps applies local anaesthetic to brobostigon's head and removes the shrapnel, quickly patching up the blood [12:05] danfish: hope you had some vegetable side orders [12:05] * brobostigon thanks cps :) [12:05] no probs brobostigon :) [12:05] hah - do prawns count? [12:06] yeah, I would say prawns are practically a vegetable [12:06] * brobostigon asks the UN to take the remaining bombs off danfish, for everyones safety. [12:07] prawns? vegetables?! no wai! [12:07] * danfish tosses his remaining bombs onto the minecraft map [12:08] lol === cps is now known as mentlegen === mentlegen is now known as cps [12:16] Recommendations for (decent) in-ear headphone shops on the high street? (preferably ones with a branch in oxford...) [12:17] dutchie: Skullcandy? [12:17] but where to buy from? [12:17] hmv? argos? specialist sound-y place? [12:17] HMV used to have them [12:17] Might be able to find them in txmaxx if you're lucky [12:18] I haven't got any, just what I hear is good [12:19] HMV, John Lewis [12:21] there is neither a t k maxx nor a john lewis in oxford city centre according to google maps [12:21] so i will look in argos and hmv i think [12:21] dutchie: maplin [12:22] argh, that's all the way out in botley [12:22] make an afternoon of it ;) [12:24] i already have to make an afternoon of going to the station [12:24] and thence on to kidderminster [12:42] can I just say. I hate public speaking with a passion === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:44] * Pendulum hugs czajkowski [12:47] czajkowski, rum helps [12:48] get drunk, give presentation while drunk. hmm. [12:48] brobostigon, i had rum to fuel me last year [12:49] directhex: hmm. ok. [12:49] never heard of dutch courage? [12:49] directhex: i tend to go for a gin and tonic myself. [12:49] yes. [12:50] spent €11.60 a shot on some rum last night [12:50] ouch. [12:50] 11y aged cuban [12:50] yummy, [12:55] czajkowski: well done [12:58] thanks [12:58] AlanBell: I've tweeted the 2 UK summit/forums [12:58] can you RT [13:01] Hello everybody! [13:02] hello! [13:04] czajkowski: already retweeted them [13:04] thanks [13:11] mmm [13:11] lorne sausage buttie \o/ [13:22] cps: I know it's probably quite long, but the most recent entries, or the ones just before the crash may explain it further. [13:23] dwatkins: from what I see the most recent ones are all about my wireless card :/ [13:23] one such entry reads: Feb 5 11:50:19 InterCity-125 kernel: [ 403.805129] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlan0 OUT= MAC=d8:5d:4c:9c:ae:76:00:1f:9f:41:47:33:08:00 SRC=74.114.14.182 DST=192.168.1.81 LEN=68 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=45 ID=20055 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=9339 DPT=54355 WINDOW=91 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0 [13:23] * cps admits he should've pastebinned that [13:23] cps: that could be a red herring, it's a bit of a dark art understanding the messagelog in my experience [13:24] You could also check dmesg, but that's just stuff since the last boot - I think it copies old instances of this to /var/log/dmesg.[123] though [13:24] Sadly diagnosing linux isn't as simple as it might be. [13:26] dwatkins: indeed [13:29] is ayone familier with setPwmFrequency onthe arduino, it giving me errors when i try and use it according to http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Code/PwmFrequency. any ideas please, i am stuck. [13:30] show code? [13:31] http://pastebin.com/GuHR1cHx [13:32] 300 isn't a valid divisor [13:32] "The divisors available on pins 5, 6, 9 and 10 are: 1, 8, 64, 256, and 1024. " [13:33] "The divisors available on pins 3 and 11 are: 1, 8, 32, 64, 128, 256, and 1024. " [13:33] 256 will be the nearest then. [13:33] yeah [13:33] as we need 100hz output. [13:33] if you need a specific timing you have to run the avr at a different clock rate [13:35] ali1234: i used 256, and its still giving me the same errors. [13:35] what error [13:36] setpwmfrequency was not declared in this scope [13:36] in function 'void look()'; [13:37] i don't think it is part of arduino standard library [13:37] it doesnt say what i need to add. [13:38] hey people i have a problem with my number key pad, in that it does not work... i can press numlock and thebenter key on it but the numbers do not work , on the main keyboard the numbers do work ... any ideas ? [13:38] Neoti: laptop? [13:38] nope desktop [13:38] Neoti: do you have an FN key or something which makes them work? [13:38] nope. [13:39] brobostigon: it's a code sample, you are supposed to copy paste the whole thing i guess [13:39] its just a bog standard qwerty keyboard [13:39] btw, pwm isn't meant for function generation [13:39] can you prove the keyboard works? [13:39] and you can get much closer to 100hz using a phase accumulator [13:40] yes i just booted up my windows computer and the keys defo work ... just on my ubuntu system they dont for some reason [13:40] or just a built in timer [13:40] ali1234: hmm, i see. [13:40] why do you actually need 100hz? [13:41] i suggest you hit the avr docs instead of messing around with avr library [13:41] i mean arduino library [13:41] there is nothing complex about avr chips, you do not need a library to program them [13:41] ali1234: its for something my dad is doing, and he says he wants 100hz output from the pwm, idont understand the hydraulics involved. [13:42] 100hz... pwm [13:42] apparently. [13:43] well if it is to be used as pwm then frequency accuracy probably doesn't matter too much [13:43] AlanBell: fixed it http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4444700&postcount=5 [13:43] but if you wanted a clean 100hz signal for some reason pwm is not a good choice [13:43] YEY \0/ [13:43] Neoti: cool [13:45] ali1234: ok, i dont understand it, i will tell my dad though,what you suggest. [13:45] really depends what you are going to do with the 100hz [13:46] not a clue, === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [13:47] * brobostigon goes to ask more questions,of his dad. [13:55] * cps yawns [13:55] i hate not being able to sleep at night [13:55] ._. [13:55] Sounds annoying, cps, yeah. [13:59] It is I [13:59] hello I [13:59] Hello D [14:00] ibigcalm <-- now steve jobs will be after you :D [14:02] Fesk [14:02] * bigcalm changes his name to "ain" [14:03] Meld isn't proving very useful [14:03] If thinks that 2 files are completely different [14:04] I wonder if winmerg works in wine [14:08] It does. Yay :) [14:08] Lunch time! [14:09] anyone at the University of Birmingham here? :) [14:11] They have a university in Birmingham?! ;) [14:11] yes. [14:12] hi alexMocanu [14:13] there are people from universities and people from birmingham, not sure if there is anyone in the intersection of these sets here now [14:13] apart from you presumably [14:14] brum :D [14:15] MartijnVdS there are quite a few universities in Brum :D [14:16] does anyone know where i can get notifyosdconfig from? === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [14:22] http://cakecentral.com//gallery/1793143 [14:22] that's not cat6 ;) [14:33] Afternoon all [14:34] jo shields u is up talking on Mono with Ubuntu and debian [14:34] anyone free to give me initial setup advice for X-chat??? [14:35] AlanBell: Hehe [14:39] I was trying to add a network by preferences / network /add but the server details just do not save when added - not sure of my error??? [14:40] I put in irc.servername.com but it didn't take [14:41] .... "Is there anybody out there ...? [14:42] not a clue, myself, never used xchat. [14:42] thanks brob [14:43] i use irssi. [14:43] way too many cats in his talk [14:43] tried empathy but unable to connect on that apparently because server uses "nickserve" hence installed x-chat [14:44] nickserv* [14:44] yes, thats one of freenode's services deamons. [14:44] irssi is that suitable for a nuby?? [14:44] nimrod_52: its a cli irc client, [14:44] or other irc recommendation? [14:45] !info quassel [14:45] quassel (source: quassel): KDE/Qt-based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 775 kB, installed size 2764 kB [14:48] thanks will try quassel - have it installed but gave up previously when I meesed up with over restrictive firewall settings [14:48] cheers [14:48] :) [14:48] going off to attempt setup - thanks [14:49] welcome. [14:52] * MartijnVdS has one nearly-empty kitchen [14:52] are you just doing the washing-up or actually taking the kitchen out, MartijnVdS? [14:53] dwatkins: I've removed the cabinets and appliances, they're coming to take the tiles off on Wednesday [14:53] dwatkins: then re-route water, electricity, etc. [14:54] and then wait a week for the plaster to dry [14:54] and THEN they're going to put in the new kitchen :) [14:54] sounds pretty fundamental, MartijnVdS - fitting an entirely new kitchen, then? [14:54] yeah [14:54] IKEA's kitchen service++ [14:55] interesting, I would be interested to know how it all goes [14:56] dwatkins: I clicked it together in the IKEA webapp, then went to the store and checked everything with an IKEAn [14:56] dwatkins: then they sent over a guy to check that the measurements I made were correct [14:56] dwatkins: then you get a quote for everything (removing + fitting new kitchen + anything else you want done) [14:57] then you sign it, and off you go [14:57] random poll... whats your thoughts on something like http://www.aber.ac.uk/en/undergrad/courses/compsci/open-source-computing/ [14:58] MartijnVdS: sounds pretty well organised [15:00] dogmatic69: I'd probably really enjoy that course, but my only concern might be if I wanted a programming job afterwards, people might be concerned I'd not done any development within a company [15:00] dwatkins: yeah, and less risk of kitchen dealer going bust before actually delivering a kitchen (that used to be an epidemic here in .nl) [15:00] dwatkins: i got 5+ years experience so not to worried about that [15:00] java programming, web programming, dbms..... sounds pretty lame to me [15:00] dogmatic69: in that case, great :D [15:00] the core is C++ [15:01] I'm reading a book on C++ right now, can't really give up my job to do a degree in it [15:01] plus learning java would be cool for android which i would like [15:01] why not just do computer science? [15:01] http://www.mindview.net/Books/TICPP/ThinkingInCPP2e.html if you're curious [15:02] Java and C++ have a lot of similarities. I think I'd prefer to learn them separately to avoid confusion. [15:02] dwatkins: cool, ive been giving c a go, with arduino [15:02] seems like it's just core compsci with maybe 1 or 2 optional courses about "open source" [15:02] dogmatic69: I'm looking forward to my Arduino being delivered :) [15:02] :) [15:02] dwatkins: after you done the blinking led got something more fun for you [15:03] oh yes, dogmatic69? [15:03] A blinking LED that uses a sensor to blink at different rates depending on the ambient temperature? ;) [15:03] https://github.com/dogmatic69/arduino-ohm-meter/blob/master/ohm_meter.pde [15:03] ooh, excellent - thanks dogmatic69 [15:03] Ohmmmmm [15:03] got a few commits local, will push them soon [15:04] I remember running an app on an SGI machine which blinked the power LED like a heartbeat - the more load on the CPU, the faster it blinked :D [15:04] dwatkins: also got a cap meter :) [15:04] For measuring capacitance? [15:04] yip [15:04] with a ne555 timer [15:04] dogmatic69: it mentions display - where is the output sent to? [15:04] the serial port as text? [15:05] no, 16x2 lcd [15:05] oh an LCD.... [15:05] you should get one [15:05] yeah, I plan to in the next order [15:05] arduino Serial + ubuntu is pants [15:05] its 10 quid for one [15:05] We ordered from adafruit, I think they sell one, but I'll probably just get one locally in the UK [15:05] * suprengr is sad... used 'hibernate' on 10.04 for first time today - when I got home and pressed power button... Ububtu started from normal startup. boo! hiss! [15:05] dwatkins: coolcomponents are great [15:05] thanks dogmatic69 [15:06] good prices, quick delivery, reasonable variety [15:07] I like their blog entries too - that net curtain is rather amusing :) [15:07] I clearly need to decide what to mount my Arduino and LCD in... [15:07] not seen them [15:08] on the front page of http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/ [15:08] my major projects with arduino is a laser cutter and autonomous grass mower [15:08] I was looking at the ybox2 on adafruit, but I'll save that for next winter [15:08] I like these ideas, dogmatic69 - I don't have any specific projects in mind, I just want to learn [15:09] laser cutter will be for balsa - model planes :) [15:09] excellent [15:09] 60w co2 laser [15:09] does anyone in her use zoneminder ? [15:09] only thing im scared of is the 30kV they use to opperate :/ [15:10]