[05:13] <ball> Is it difficult to bridge between a wireless Ethernet (802.11g or 11n) and wired (100baseTX) on Ubuntu?
[05:14] <HazRPG> ball: I've always wondered about that one too... I use to do it in windows all the time, which was handy for my xbox when I use to use it
[05:15] <shauno> it shouldn't be.  I've bridged between 3g & ethernet a few times, not too messy
[05:15] <ball> HazRPG: the only computer in our house that's useable (because it has a network connection) is a very broken old Xubuntu laptop.
[05:16] <ball> HazRPG: I neeed to get something running tonight and if I have to install Ubuntu on a desktop for that to happen, I will.
[05:16] <shauno> I dunno if the network widget does it tho, I did it the old-fashioned way
[05:17] <shauno> thinking about it, it was a dhcp server, caching name server, ip_forward & something involving masquerade in iptables.  maybe not as straight forward as I remembered
[05:17] <ball> shauno: I'm not afraid of the command line.
[05:18] <shauno> altho a lot of that was because the other machine I was trying to use was a brain-dead embedded firmware, so I needed dhcp & dns because there was no other way to configure it
[05:19] <ball> If I bridge between the two LANs, the router should be able to serve DHCP even to the wired devices.
[05:20] <shauno> I know it sounds like a rtfm, but http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html#SUMMARY
[05:20] <ball> I don't want or need NAT
[05:21] <HazRPG> think this is more what ball is trying to do: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-632062.html
[05:22] <shauno> never heard of bridge-utils, that may be easier :)
[05:22] <shauno> briding is nat tho; it's just snat instead of what you're used to
[05:23] <HazRPG> or possibly this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/howto-bridge-wireless-and-wired-network-interfaces-369455/
[05:23] <ball> What is "snat"?
[05:23] <HazRPG> that last one seems easier to do
[05:23] <HazRPG> Secure/Source NAT
[05:24] <shauno> routing multiple addresses on one interface to multiple on another
[05:24] <HazRPG> sometimes the S can also mean Stateful
[05:24] <HazRPG> depends who you ask :/
[05:24] <shauno> not sure what the scheme is actually called, but iptables calls it snat :)
[05:24] <HazRPG> think cisco classify SNAT as Stateful NAT
[05:25] <ball> shauno: That sounds like layer 3 stuff
[05:25] <shauno> it's many-to-many instead of one-to-many
[05:25] <ball> I'm talking about simple Ethernet bridging
[05:25] <HazRPG> pretty much
[05:25] <HazRPG> check the 2nd link I put ball, does bridging in a few commands
[05:26] <ball> HazRPG: Thanks, I'll try that.
[05:26] <shauno> it's only simple because things shrink wrap it .. it's all the same to the kernel :)
[05:30] <shauno> time to head off.  good luck with that, should be pretty straight forward in most tools
[05:30] <ball> shauno: erm... no.
[05:31] <HazRPG> shauno: catch ya later dude
[05:33] <HazRPG> ball: apparently there is a gui way to do it...
[05:33] <HazRPG> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1206629
[05:33] <HazRPG> last post
[05:34] <HazRPG> I've seen that tick box a thousand times, but never thought it was the way to bridge connections...
[05:34] <HazRPG> hope that solves it dude
[05:35] <ball> HazRPG: Thanks.  I may have to resort to that.
[05:35] <HazRPG> you make it sound like the gui one is bad :P
[05:36] <HazRPG> guessing xubuntu doesn't include network-manager
[05:37]  * HazRPG goes in search of snacks, "brb"
[05:41] <HazRPG> ball: let me know how it goes :)
[05:48] <Myrtti> xubu does come with nm
[06:04]  * ball tinkers
[07:05]  * MartijnVdS listens to Magnetic Fields
[07:59] <kaushal> Hi
[07:59] <kaushal> can someone please guide me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-February/239556.html ?
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> what's the problem?
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> I only see hardware listingsa
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> -a
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> kaushal:
[08:30] <phonex01> need help here
[08:30] <phonex01> i'm trying to install tor-proxy and i have this error ? W: Failed to fetch http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org/dists/maverick/Release.gpg  Got a single header line over 360 chars
[08:31] <phonex01> so whats the problem ??
[08:32] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: please give me a moment
[08:35] <daubers> Morning
[08:35] <AlanBell> morning
[09:59] <kvarley> what gallery managers do you use?
[10:00] <kvarley> (f-spot, shotwell, picasa, etc)
[10:01] <SuperMatt> I don't use any
[10:01] <SuperMatt> though I know I should
[10:06] <kvarley> I've always just used nautilus with thumbnails and made my own file structure but looking for one for a friend which is easy to use and can handle existing folder structure
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> I use shotwell
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> used to use f-spot before it turned into a huge memory eater
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> also, shotwell is fsat
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> cool
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> my DSL modem is broken... I only have ipv6 :)
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> ah
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> there's v4 :)
[10:23] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: lol
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: I could get my (G)mail, I could get facebook, I could get to my VPS (irc)
[10:25] <nigelb> Neat
[10:25] <nigelb> I wonder if my provider started v6 support
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: never if you don't ask them ;)
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> (really, ask them.. "lack of consumer demand" is one of the reasons cited for not doing it)
[10:26] <nigelb> I'll bug them when I pay the bill ;)
[10:27]  * MartijnVdS works for his ISP, so no bill there ;)
[10:28] <nigelb> hehehe
[10:28] <dwatkins> Good morning Ubuntu fans :)
[10:28] <nigelb> Never say that in #ubuntu-uk.  its always minecraft fans here :p
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: #ubuntu-uk-minecraft
[10:28] <dwatkins> I did consider the possibility if might be misinterpretted, nigelb - hence the smile
[10:29] <dwatkins> Sadly my main Ubuntu machine is currently in storage, so I have to put up with running virtual machines for the moment.
[10:29] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: I'm beign pulled more and more into minecraft.  Must resist.
[10:30]  * dwatkins is tempted to play Sim City 2000 again
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: don't do it! you have so much else to live for!
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Sim City 2000, wooo :)
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I have SC4 on my Windows box (steam :)
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> wow
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> Debian is actually releasing
[10:34] <nigelb> Its known to happen once in 2 years
[10:34] <nigelb> :-P
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: it's still surprising when it does
[10:35] <dwatkins> I guess they finally decided things are stable enough.
[10:35] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: oldstable is now lenny :D
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> great
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> I'll be helpdesking my colleagues on Monday 8-)
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> all buildscripts will fail
[10:35]  * nigelb watching @debian
[10:36] <Mr-Woof> hi all
[10:37] <dwatkins> Debian on Twitter, nigelb?
[10:37] <Mr-Woof> what do recommend as an alternative to itunes on ubuntu? Ideally with a large podcast library like itunes
[10:38] <nigelb> dwatkins: yup
[10:44] <bigcalm> Sleepy yawn
[10:44] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> Mr-Woof: rhythmbox and banshee are both itunes alternatives
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> Mr-Woof: banshee comes with miro-guide, which contains lots of podcasts
[10:47] <Mr-Woof> cool, I'll check it out now :-)
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> Mr-Woof: but you can always subscribe to podcasts (also using rhythmbox) through a podcasts's website
[10:49] <Mr-Woof> yeah I know, I was hoping for a large library as I'm a bit lazy :P
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> well, miro guide :)
[10:49] <Mr-Woof> lol :)
[11:00] <popey> morning all!
[11:01] <dwatkins> hey popey :)
[11:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:10] <dwatkins> morning czajkowski :)
[11:11] <czajkowski> dwatkins: howdy
[11:11] <czajkowski> where you ?
[11:14]  * dwatkins wonders if there's a word missing there and whether that was directed at him 
[11:14] <czajkowski> dwatkins: ae you at fosdem
[11:15] <czajkowski> if so where are you
[11:15] <dwatkins> oh right, no I am at home
[11:17] <czajkowski> ahh pook
[11:18] <dwatkins> I look forward to attending someday when I am actually a developer :)
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> debian n-m is still as long as their release cycle? :P
[11:24] <cps> greetings, mentlegen
[11:25] <AlanBell> fosdem does seem to be lots of people http://identi.ca/attachment/38591073
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> wow
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> that's more than usual
[11:26] <AlanBell> that was for Eben Moglen's keynote
[11:26] <AlanBell> I would be tempted to see that
[11:27] <AlanBell> not really found any other compelling reason to go there though
[11:27] <dwatkins> ooh, I'd very much like to see that, AlanBell ... *runs to the search engine*
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> Eben Moglen.. Stallman 2.0? :)
[11:29] <AlanBell> Stallman's lawyer
[11:29] <AlanBell> like stallman, but better dressed
[11:29] <AlanBell> and with sensible hair
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> "I'm not coming, I'm sending my lawyer"
[11:30] <AlanBell> Moglen is great
[11:30] <shauno> MartijnVdS: that'd be the best sickday ever
[11:30]  * cps wonders why youtube has dropped support for .ogv's all of a sudden
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> is he less "FREE SOFTWARE OR DEATH"?
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> cps: it wants you to use webm ;)
[11:31] <cps> MartijnVdS: I used MPEG4 >_<
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> cps: freedom-hater!
[11:31] <cps> I know =(
[11:32] <cps> kdenlive \o/
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> kdwhat?
[11:32] <cps> kdenlive
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> what is it
[11:32] <cps> it's a non-linear video editor
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> ah
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> pitivi for kde-weirdos ;)
[11:33] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKxzK9xtSXM&feature=related
[11:33] <cps> pitivi is actually more rubbish than kdenlive
[11:33] <cps> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJC3VVC8vj0
[11:33] <cps> I tried to upload that video as an ogv
[11:33] <cps> but it showed a green screen
[11:34] <cps> yes, I'm a rail enthusiast lol
[11:34] <cps> hey adampc :)
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> "trainspotter"
[11:39] <adampc> hey cps :)
[11:39] <cps> MartijnVdS: Yes, I'm a trainspotter. :p
[11:40] <dutchie> "whatcha gonna do about it"
[11:43] <popey> cps: the green screen isnt pitivi, its the oggencoder bug
[11:44] <popey> cps: also, "TRAINS!"
[11:44] <popey> :)
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: Is that a trainspotting zombie?
[11:45] <popey> heh
[11:45] <czajkowski> no CAKE in the topic
[11:45] <czajkowski> so wrong
[11:46] <cps> ok
[11:47] <cps> my computer is probably showing signs that it's becoming unstable
[11:47] <cps> I've been able to run it problem-free until a couple of days ago
[11:47] <cps> ever since then it's been crashing at a random time
[11:48] <cps> I don't know what's causing the shenanigans. is there such a terminal command that can be used to diagnose constant system crashes?
[11:49] <dwatkins> cat /var/log/messages
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> and ponies
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> never forget
[11:50] <cps> chickens
[11:50] <cps> MINECRAFT
[11:50] <cps> TRAINS
[11:52] <cps> dwatkins: uh, /var/log/messages has 5873 lines
[11:52] <cps> dunno if someone would be willing to read it all? haha
[11:55] <czajkowski> mr. walker is a bit broken
[11:55] <AlanBell> oh dear
[11:55] <czajkowski> but he has shoes this time and not flip flops
[11:55] <czajkowski> so we're doing well
[11:56] <AlanBell> did he go to delirium?
[11:57] <czajkowski> he did indeed
[12:02] <danfish> 9
[12:02] <AlanBell> 8
[12:02] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[12:03] <danfish> 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 ....BOOM!!
[12:03] <brobostigon> ouch. :(
[12:03] <danfish> o/
[12:03]  * brobostigon looks at his head, and finds schrapnal.
[12:03] <cps> afternoon brobostigon :)
[12:04]  * danfish is about to explode from MSG overload at Chinese New Year last nite
[12:04] <brobostigon> afternoonings cps :)
[12:04]  * cps applies local anaesthetic to brobostigon's head and removes the shrapnel, quickly patching up the blood
[12:05] <AlanBell> danfish: hope you had some vegetable side orders
[12:05]  * brobostigon thanks cps :)
[12:05] <cps> no probs brobostigon :)
[12:05] <danfish> hah - do prawns count?
[12:06] <AlanBell> yeah, I would say prawns are practically a vegetable
[12:06]  * brobostigon asks the UN to take the remaining bombs off danfish, for everyones safety.
[12:07] <cps> prawns? vegetables?! no wai!
[12:07]  * danfish tosses his remaining bombs onto the minecraft map
[12:08] <brobostigon> lol
[12:16] <dutchie> Recommendations for (decent) in-ear headphone shops on the high street? (preferably ones with a branch in oxford...)
[12:17] <kvarley> dutchie: Skullcandy?
[12:17] <dutchie> but where to buy from?
[12:17] <dutchie> hmv? argos? specialist sound-y place?
[12:17] <kvarley> HMV used to have them
[12:17] <kvarley> Might be able to find them in txmaxx if you're lucky
[12:18] <kvarley> I haven't got any, just what I hear is good
[12:19] <terran> HMV, John Lewis
[12:21] <dutchie> there is neither a t k maxx nor a john lewis in oxford city centre according to google maps
[12:21] <dutchie> so i will look in argos and hmv i think
[12:21] <danfish> dutchie: maplin
[12:22] <dutchie> argh, that's all the way out in botley
[12:22] <danfish> make an afternoon of it ;)
[12:24] <dutchie> i already have to make an afternoon of going to the station
[12:24] <dutchie> and thence on to kidderminster
[12:42] <czajkowski> can I just say. I hate public speaking with a passion
[12:44]  * Pendulum hugs czajkowski 
[12:47] <directhex> czajkowski, rum helps
[12:48] <brobostigon> get drunk, give presentation while drunk. hmm.
[12:48] <directhex> brobostigon, i had rum to fuel me last year
[12:49] <brobostigon> directhex: hmm. ok.
[12:49] <directhex> never heard of dutch courage?
[12:49] <brobostigon> directhex: i tend to go for a gin and tonic myself.
[12:49] <brobostigon> yes.
[12:50] <directhex> spent €11.60 a shot on some rum last night
[12:50] <brobostigon> ouch.
[12:50] <directhex> 11y aged cuban
[12:50] <brobostigon> yummy,
[12:55] <AlanBell> czajkowski: well done
[12:58] <czajkowski> thanks
[12:58] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I've tweeted the 2 UK summit/forums
[12:58] <czajkowski> can you RT
[13:01] <alexMocanu> Hello everybody!
[13:02] <BigRedS> hello!
[13:04] <AlanBell> czajkowski: already retweeted them
[13:04] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:11] <cps> mmm
[13:11] <cps> lorne sausage buttie \o/
[13:22] <dwatkins> cps: I know it's probably quite long, but the most recent entries, or the ones just before the crash may explain it further.
[13:23] <cps> dwatkins: from what I see the most recent ones are all about my wireless card :/
[13:23] <cps> one such entry reads: Feb  5 11:50:19 InterCity-125 kernel: [  403.805129] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlan0 OUT= MAC=d8:5d:4c:9c:ae:76:00:1f:9f:41:47:33:08:00 SRC=74.114.14.182 DST=192.168.1.81 LEN=68 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=45 ID=20055 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=9339 DPT=54355 WINDOW=91 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
[13:23]  * cps admits he should've pastebinned that
[13:23] <dwatkins> cps: that could be a red herring, it's a bit of a dark art understanding the messagelog in my experience
[13:24] <dwatkins> You could also check dmesg, but that's just stuff since the last boot - I think it copies old instances of this to /var/log/dmesg.[123] though
[13:24] <dwatkins> Sadly diagnosing linux isn't as simple as it might be.
[13:26] <cps> dwatkins: indeed
[13:29] <brobostigon> is ayone familier with setPwmFrequency onthe arduino, it giving me errors when i try and use it according to http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Code/PwmFrequency. any ideas please, i am stuck.
[13:30] <ali1234> show code?
[13:31] <brobostigon> http://pastebin.com/GuHR1cHx
[13:32] <ali1234> 300 isn't a valid divisor
[13:32] <ali1234> "The divisors available on pins 5, 6, 9 and 10 are: 1, 8, 64, 256, and 1024. "
[13:33] <ali1234> "The divisors available on pins 3 and 11 are: 1, 8, 32, 64, 128, 256, and 1024. "
[13:33] <brobostigon> 256 will be the nearest then.
[13:33] <ali1234> yeah
[13:33] <brobostigon> as we need 100hz output.
[13:33] <ali1234> if you need a specific timing you have to run the avr at a different clock rate
[13:35] <brobostigon> ali1234: i used 256, and its still giving me the same errors.
[13:35] <ali1234> what error
[13:36] <brobostigon> setpwmfrequency was not declared in this scope
[13:36] <brobostigon> in function 'void look()';
[13:37] <ali1234> i don't think it is part of arduino standard library
[13:37] <brobostigon> it doesnt say what i need to add.
[13:38] <Neoti> hey people i have a problem with my number key pad, in that it does not work... i can press numlock and thebenter key on it but the numbers do not work , on the main keyboard the numbers do work ... any ideas ?
[13:38] <AlanBell> Neoti: laptop?
[13:38] <Neoti> nope desktop
[13:38] <AlanBell> Neoti: do you have an FN key or something which makes them work?
[13:38] <Neoti> nope.
[13:39] <ali1234> brobostigon: it's a code sample, you are supposed to copy paste the whole thing i guess
[13:39] <Neoti> its just a bog standard qwerty keyboard
[13:39] <ali1234> btw, pwm isn't meant for function generation
[13:39] <AlanBell> can you prove the keyboard works?
[13:39] <ali1234> and you can get much closer to 100hz using a phase accumulator
[13:40] <Neoti> yes i just booted up my windows computer and the keys defo work ... just on my ubuntu system they dont for some reason
[13:40] <ali1234> or just a built in timer
[13:40] <brobostigon> ali1234: hmm, i see.
[13:40] <ali1234> why do you actually need 100hz?
[13:41] <ali1234> i suggest you hit the avr docs instead of messing around with avr library
[13:41] <ali1234> i mean arduino library
[13:41] <ali1234> there is nothing complex about avr chips, you do not need a library to program them
[13:41] <brobostigon> ali1234: its for something my dad is doing, and he says he wants 100hz output from the pwm, idont understand the hydraulics involved.
[13:42] <ali1234> 100hz... pwm
[13:42] <brobostigon> apparently.
[13:43] <ali1234> well if it is to be used as pwm then frequency accuracy probably doesn't matter too much
[13:43] <Neoti> AlanBell: fixed it http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4444700&postcount=5
[13:43] <ali1234> but if you wanted a clean 100hz signal for some reason pwm is not a good choice
[13:43] <Neoti> YEY \0/
[13:43] <AlanBell> Neoti: cool
[13:45] <brobostigon> ali1234: ok, i dont understand it, i will tell my dad though,what you suggest.
[13:45] <ali1234> really depends what you are going to do with the 100hz
[13:46] <brobostigon> not a clue,
[13:47]  * brobostigon goes to ask more questions,of his dad.
[13:55]  * cps yawns
[13:55] <cps> i hate not being able to sleep at night
[13:55] <cps> ._.
[13:55] <dwatkins> Sounds annoying, cps, yeah.
[13:59] <bigcalm> It is I
[13:59] <danfish> hello I
[13:59] <bigcalm> Hello D
[14:00] <danfish> ibigcalm <-- now steve jobs will be after you :D
[14:02] <bigcalm> Fesk
[14:02]  * bigcalm changes his name to "ain"
[14:03] <bigcalm> Meld isn't proving very useful
[14:03] <bigcalm> If thinks that 2 files are completely different
[14:04] <bigcalm> I wonder if winmerg works in wine
[14:08] <bigcalm> It does. Yay :)
[14:08] <bigcalm> Lunch time!
[14:09] <alexMocanu> anyone at the University of Birmingham here? :)
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> They have a university in Birmingham?! ;)
[14:11] <brobostigon> yes.
[14:12] <AlanBell> hi alexMocanu
[14:13] <AlanBell> there are people from universities and people from birmingham, not sure if there is anyone in the intersection of these sets here now
[14:13] <AlanBell> apart from you presumably
[14:14] <Irwell> brum :D
[14:15] <alexMocanu> MartijnVdS there are quite a few universities in Brum :D
[14:16] <Irwell> does anyone know where i can get notifyosdconfig from?
[14:22] <AlanBell> http://cakecentral.com//gallery/1793143
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> that's not cat6 ;)
[14:33] <nimrod_52> Afternoon all
[14:34] <czajkowski> jo shields u is up talking on Mono with Ubuntu and debian
[14:34] <nimrod_52> anyone free to give me initial setup advice for X-chat???
[14:35] <penguin42> AlanBell: Hehe
[14:39] <nimrod_52> I was trying to add a network by preferences / network /add but the server details just do not save when added - not sure of my error???
[14:40] <nimrod_52> I put in irc.servername.com but it didn't take
[14:41] <nimrod_52> .... "Is there anybody out there ...?
[14:42] <brobostigon> not a clue, myself, never used xchat.
[14:42] <nimrod_52> thanks brob
[14:43] <brobostigon> i use irssi.
[14:43] <czajkowski> way too many cats in his talk
[14:43] <nimrod_52> tried empathy but unable to connect on that apparently because server uses "nickserve" hence installed x-chat
[14:44] <brobostigon> nickserv*
[14:44] <brobostigon> yes, thats one of freenode's services deamons.
[14:44] <nimrod_52> irssi is that suitable for a nuby??
[14:44] <brobostigon> nimrod_52: its a cli irc client,
[14:44] <nimrod_52> or other irc recommendation?
[14:45] <brobostigon> !info quassel
[14:48] <nimrod_52> thanks will try quassel - have it installed but gave up previously when I meesed up with over restrictive firewall settings
[14:48] <nimrod_52> cheers
[14:48] <brobostigon> :)
[14:48] <nimrod_52>  going off to attempt setup - thanks
[14:49] <brobostigon> welcome.
[14:52]  * MartijnVdS has one nearly-empty kitchen
[14:52] <dwatkins> are you just doing the washing-up or actually taking the kitchen out, MartijnVdS?
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I've removed the cabinets and appliances, they're coming to take the tiles off on Wednesday
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: then re-route water, electricity, etc.
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> and then wait a week for the plaster to dry
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> and THEN they're going to put in the new kitchen :)
[14:54] <dwatkins> sounds pretty fundamental, MartijnVdS - fitting an entirely new kitchen, then?
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> IKEA's kitchen service++
[14:55] <dwatkins> interesting, I would be interested to know how it all goes
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I clicked it together in the IKEA webapp, then went to the store and checked everything with an IKEAn
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: then they sent over a guy to check that the measurements I made were correct
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: then you get a quote for everything (removing + fitting new kitchen + anything else you want done)
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> then you sign it, and off you go
[14:57] <dogmatic69> random poll... whats your thoughts on something like http://www.aber.ac.uk/en/undergrad/courses/compsci/open-source-computing/
[14:58] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: sounds pretty well organised
[15:00] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: I'd probably really enjoy that course, but my only concern might be if I wanted a programming job afterwards, people might be concerned I'd not done any development within a company
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yeah, and less risk of kitchen dealer going bust before actually delivering a kitchen (that used to be an epidemic here in .nl)
[15:00] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: i got 5+ years experience so not to worried about that
[15:00] <ali1234> java programming, web programming, dbms..... sounds pretty lame to me
[15:00] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: in that case, great :D
[15:00] <dogmatic69> the core is C++
[15:01] <dwatkins> I'm reading a book on C++ right now, can't really give up my job to do a degree in it
[15:01] <dogmatic69> plus learning java would be cool for android which i would like
[15:01] <ali1234> why not just do computer science?
[15:01] <dwatkins> http://www.mindview.net/Books/TICPP/ThinkingInCPP2e.html if you're curious
[15:02] <dwatkins> Java and C++ have a lot of similarities. I think I'd prefer to learn them separately to avoid confusion.
[15:02] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: cool, ive been giving c a go, with arduino
[15:02] <ali1234> seems like it's just core compsci with maybe 1 or 2 optional courses about "open source"
[15:02] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: I'm looking forward to my Arduino being delivered :)
[15:02] <dogmatic69> :)
[15:02] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: after you done the blinking led got something more fun for you
[15:03] <dwatkins> oh yes, dogmatic69?
[15:03] <dwatkins> A blinking LED that uses a sensor to blink at different rates depending on the ambient temperature? ;)
[15:03] <dogmatic69> https://github.com/dogmatic69/arduino-ohm-meter/blob/master/ohm_meter.pde
[15:03] <dwatkins> ooh, excellent - thanks dogmatic69
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> Ohmmmmm
[15:03] <dogmatic69> got a few commits local, will push them soon
[15:04] <dwatkins> I remember running an app on an SGI machine which blinked the power LED like a heartbeat - the more load on the CPU, the faster it blinked :D
[15:04] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: also got a cap meter :)
[15:04] <dwatkins> For measuring capacitance?
[15:04] <dogmatic69> yip
[15:04] <dogmatic69> with a ne555 timer
[15:04] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: it mentions display - where is the output sent to?
[15:04] <dwatkins> the serial port as text?
[15:05] <dogmatic69> no, 16x2 lcd
[15:05] <dwatkins> oh an LCD....
[15:05] <dogmatic69> you should get one
[15:05] <dwatkins> yeah, I plan to in the next order
[15:05] <dogmatic69> arduino Serial + ubuntu is pants
[15:05] <dogmatic69> its 10 quid for one
[15:05] <dwatkins> We ordered from adafruit, I think they sell one, but I'll probably just get one locally in the UK
[15:05]  * suprengr is sad... used 'hibernate' on 10.04 for first time today - when I got home and pressed power button... Ububtu started from normal startup.  boo! hiss!
[15:05] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: coolcomponents are great
[15:05] <dwatkins> thanks dogmatic69
[15:06] <dogmatic69> good prices, quick delivery, reasonable variety
[15:07] <dwatkins> I like their blog entries too - that net curtain is rather amusing :)
[15:07] <dwatkins> I clearly need to decide what to mount my Arduino and LCD in...
[15:07] <dogmatic69> not seen them
[15:08] <dwatkins> on the front page of http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/
[15:08] <dogmatic69> my major projects with arduino is a laser cutter and autonomous grass mower
[15:08] <dwatkins> I was looking at the ybox2 on adafruit, but I'll save that for next winter
[15:08] <dwatkins> I like these ideas, dogmatic69 - I don't have any specific projects in mind, I just want to learn
[15:09] <dogmatic69> laser cutter will be for balsa - model planes :)
[15:09] <dwatkins> excellent
[15:09] <dogmatic69> 60w co2 laser
[15:09] <Neoti> does anyone in her use zoneminder ?
[15:09] <dogmatic69> only thing im scared of is the 30kV they use to opperate :/
[15:10] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: ouch, yeah
[15:10]  * brobostigon thank google goggles for the help in solving a sodoku. :)
[15:10] <brobostigon> sudoku*
[15:10] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: should I get a serial-enabled LCD, or is it easy enough to control them via a parallel interface from an Arduino?
[15:11] <dogmatic69> get one with the HD44780-compatible chip
[15:11] <dogmatic69> for 16x2 that is
[15:11] <dogmatic69> not sure on others
[15:11] <dogmatic69> HD44780 is plug and play, others you might have to write 'drivers' for
[15:12] <dogmatic69> also parallel would use all your pins up
[15:12] <dwatkins> aha thanks
[15:12]  * dwatkins bookmarks http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=35
[15:12] <dogmatic69> that is the one i have :D
[15:12] <dwatkins> excellent, thanks for the tip
[15:13] <dogmatic69> it uses 4 pins + 5 for power
[15:13] <dwatkins> Where do you learn how to connect and program them?
[15:13] <dwatkins> i.e. spec sheets, included docs, or elsewhere?
[15:14] <dogmatic69> *4 for data, 3 for controlling and 2 for data
[15:14] <dogmatic69> cool components has links to spec sheets on all the pages
[15:14] <dwatkins> yeah, just loading that up now
[15:14] <dogmatic69> i just been browsing github for ideas https://github.com/search?langOverride=&q=arduino&repo=&start_value=1&type=Repositories
[15:15] <dwatkins> I gather you can take an Ardunio after programming and just take the chip out and put it on its own board with a couple other components to then re-use the original dev board, so I could make all sorts of things with these
[15:15] <dwatkins> aha yeah
[15:16] <dogmatic69> i got working code for 7 seg displays, capacitance, lcd, led light meter, range finder, motor controller, ohm meter, servo and almost i2c temp
[15:16] <dogmatic69> will try push them all tomorrow
[15:16] <dwatkins> I really like 7-segment displays, I'd like to build a speed-o-meter someday
[15:17] <dwatkins> this --> http://hackaday.com/2010/06/17/replacement-speedometer/ :D
[15:17] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: i bought a loose microcontroller so im gonna set the uno up as a programmer and then just use the loose one for building things
[15:17] <dogmatic69> nice
[15:18] <dwatkins> I assume that's pretty much having the chip on its own board and a re-usable programming board
[15:18] <dogmatic69> next code to write is the pin splitter thing 2 pins -> 16 or something
[15:18] <dwatkins> I clearly have a lot to read up on
[15:18] <dwatkins> serial vs parallel?
[15:18] <dwatkins> brb
[15:18] <dogmatic69> ive just been reading the arduino site mostly, good info there
[15:18] <dogmatic69> and #arduino is helpful too
[15:21] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: when you back http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8130 you could connect 10 of them to your uno and have 160 digital pins at your disposal
[15:22] <dogmatic69> side note, i found https://proto-pic.co.uk to be quite lame, took a week for delivery and some things were squashed
[15:39] <dwatkins> not good, dogmatic69
[15:39] <dwatkins> I gather adafruit is pretty good, they're in the US of course
[15:40] <dogmatic69> i could not wait that long :D
[15:40] <dogmatic69> you know RS components? if you know what you want that is a good place
[15:40] <dogmatic69> biggest electronics place i know of, its like the mcdonalds of electronics
[15:41] <penguin42> well, they're not the cheapest of places - but they've been going a LONG time
[15:42] <dwatkins> Yeah, RS have a huge catalogue.
[15:42] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/33900969699840000 that will be directhex rocking the house at fosdem
[15:42] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: I'm on #arduino although I don't read it so often
[15:42] <directhex> AlanBell,  apparently czajkowski isn't big on cats
[15:43] <AlanBell> I haven't introduced her to the chickens yet
[15:44] <AlanBell> no lolwalrus this year?
[15:45] <directhex> nope. just lots of cats, plus spongebob squarepants
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> ...
[16:00]  * brobostigon is trying to watch starwars, and cant, because itv live player sucks balls.
[16:02]  * dwatkins throws a DVD at brobostigon 
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: blurays are coming end of the year
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: you can preorder at amazon
[16:02] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: woohoo
[16:02] <brobostigon> cheers dwatkins :)
[16:03] <brobostigon> atleast iplayer works.
[16:04]  * dwatkins learns that NTFS in linux is apparently done in userland
[16:04] <directhex> it is.
[16:05] <directhex> it's a FUSE driver
[16:05] <directhex> there was an old read-only implementation in kernelspace
[16:05] <dwatkins> I see, directhex :)
[16:05] <dwatkins> I guess it's not required to be in the kernel, as it's only used for cross compatability
[16:05] <dwatkins> i.e. using disks made on 'other' operating systems
[16:06] <directhex> dwatkins, technically you could use a fuse driver "normally" by including everything in the initrd
[16:07] <brobostigon> it has eventually  loaded itvplayer and then says, "this programme is not availabletowatch on itv.com" why didnt ou tell me  earlier, before i waited 15 mins for it to load. arghhh.
[16:10] <penguin42> there was an in kernel NTFS years ago wasn't there? (with very restricted functionality)
[16:10] <dwatkins> apparently so, penguin42 - no write capability
[16:10] <dwatkins> or it was hideously broken
[16:10] <penguin42> yeh
[16:10] <dwatkins> ah, as directhex said
[16:15] <danfish> czajkowski: yips - that got pretty close in the rubgy!
[16:16]  * davisc breathes a sigh of relief
[16:31] <suprengr> hi all. I have been given a D-Link DSL-2640S router.  Is it possible to use this to connect two Ubuntu systems [1x10.04desktop & 1x10.04 netbook]?
[16:31] <brobostigon> suprengr: can you be more specific, what do you mean by conenct?
[16:32] <suprengr> brobostigon: networking them for file copy [& hi there!]
[16:33] <brobostigon> suprengr: scp, setup ssh on both ends.
[16:33] <suprengr> brobostigon: with router in the middle I assume?
[16:33] <brobostigon> or something like sshfs
[16:33] <brobostigon> yes.
[16:34] <suprengr> cool! [a friend requested a new router from Sky & they sent him three :D]
[16:34] <brobostigon> just make sure both machines cansee eachother.
[16:34] <AlanBell> a router isn't essential to connect two machines
[16:34] <brobostigon> you use crossover ethernet cable.
[16:34] <brobostigon> could*
[16:35] <AlanBell> crossover cable would do, or some autosense now
[16:35] <brobostigon> yes.
[16:36] <suprengr> AlanBell: you mean as in peer to peer... I thought that was a no no.  ...& that also answers my other question re cross-over or standard cat5 :D
[16:36] <AlanBell> works fine, but you have to sort out IP addresses somehow
[16:36] <dwatkins> My router has a hub built-in to it...
[16:36] <AlanBell> either run a dhcp server on one of them, or set static addresses in the same subnet
[16:37] <AlanBell> I am guessing your router has a dhcp server which hands out 192.168 addresses to devices plugged into it's hub
[16:37] <suprengr> AlanBell: ok.. can do that, no prob [I hope]
[16:37] <brobostigon> suprengr: even with a crossover cable inbetween, you can still use scp or sshfs,
[16:38] <suprengr> & yes - it has a 4 port hub built in
[16:39] <suprengr> ...I love ubuntu-uk: you ask a silly question, no-one laughs & you get help.... love you all
[16:39] <suprengr> thankyou
[16:40] <brobostigon> yoǘre welcome suprengr
[16:40] <dwatkins> suprengr: http://pathogenrush.blogspot.com/2010/09/d-link-dsl-2640s.html :)
[16:40] <dwatkins> There's all sorts of information about it online, but yes, you can just connect network cables between the PCs and the router and they should get an IP address from the router and be able to see each other
[16:40] <suprengr> dwatkins: ok... now I'm more than impresses ;D
[16:41] <suprengr> *impressed
[16:41] <dwatkins> if that doesn't work, you might have to set static IP addresses, but the router should give them out, good luck suprengr :)
[16:41] <suprengr> thanks again
[16:42] <dwatkins> this reminds me, I was going to run busybox on a gumstix PC...
[16:49] <Neoti> Any one using ZoneMinder
[16:49]  * Neoti needs help on zoneminder!
[16:50] <AlanBell> there is #zoneminder
[16:50] <Neoti> i have posted the question there and its been four hours i have reposted it every 30 min ... but still nothing ...
[16:50] <AlanBell> oh, give it 24 hours
[16:50] <AlanBell> and try on a weekday
[16:51] <Neoti> true
[16:51] <AlanBell> but it might be that they don't use the channel
[16:51] <AlanBell> how far have you got?
[16:51] <AlanBell> I looked at doing a zoneminder cctv for my house
[16:52] <Neoti> i have a camera with a RTSP out feed and i can get the images via Mplayer etc but am stuck with some options in zoneminder...
[16:52] <AlanBell> never quite got round to it and the project cost when I worked it out was higher than I initially guessed
[16:52] <Neoti> some of the documentation says if the stream works in mplayer IE mplayer rtsp://192.168.200.100:554 then zone minder will work fine but its not working ... i just get a red bar and not image etc...
[16:53] <jacobw> How much data does a CCTV feed generate per minute/hour/day ?
[16:53] <jacobw> Surely its a lot?
[16:54] <Neoti> well i was using this through Gsurf the grandstream monitoring program and 1 hour was 400MB
[16:55] <AlanBell> jacobw: you can set it to record only whenn something interesting is happening (big changes between frames)
[16:56] <jacobw> I suppose you only need to keep, say, 48 hours worth of recording at any one time
[16:56] <jacobw> Ah, that's cool AlanBell
[16:57] <Neoti> for my purpose i will keep them for 7 days and then it will delete them off etc..
[16:57] <popey> heh
[16:57] <popey> i keep mine for ages
[16:57] <popey> eats loads of disk space
[16:59]  * jacobw has thought about implementing such a thing in the past
[17:16] <MonsterKiller> Hey. i just built the latest openssl from source, does anyone how i could tell if it was installed right /just make sure its working
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: why did you install it that way?
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> (first of all :))
[17:16] <MonsterKiller> because there was a newer one from source than the ubuntu package
[17:17] <MonsterKiller> and i was getting ssl errors on my webserver
[17:17] <MonsterKiller> so i wanted the newest
[17:17] <MonsterKiller> :P
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> uhm
[17:17] <BigRedS> MonsterKiller: the packaged openssl is tested with the packaged apache
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> it's more likely to break harder than fix your problem
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> unless you really know what you're doing
[17:18] <MonsterKiller> >.<
[17:18] <BigRedS> a custom-built one wont be. What were the errors? It's highly unlikely a compile has fixed them
[17:18] <MonsterKiller> http://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbhblejkrejwrl
[17:18] <BigRedS> But, really, that's how to check it's working - do stuff with it and check it acts as expected
[17:18] <MonsterKiller> i went to the lighttpd channel and they suggested the newest openssl
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> :'(
[17:19] <BigRedS> People do that...
[17:19] <MonsterKiller> lol
[17:19] <BigRedS> It's not necessarily a *bad* thing, it's just it's easier to find a bunch of people using the distro-supplied openssl with the distro-supplied lighttpd than a mish-mash of handbuilds
[17:20] <BigRedS> and the distro-supported way is better tested
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: unless $distro is one of the build-your-owns ;)
[17:20] <MonsterKiller> lol
[17:21] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ah yeah. I forget about those :)
[17:21] <BigRedS> but those people just want that sort of trouble, anyway
[17:21] <BigRedS> :)
[17:22] <jacobw> Damn 'those people' ;)
[17:23] <BigRedS> Haha. I've nothing against them, I just don't want to be one
[17:23] <BigRedS> Oh, MonsterKiller your paste wotsit didn't work for me
[17:24] <MonsterKiller> o.O
[17:24] <MonsterKiller> ill put it somewhere else
[17:24] <MonsterKiller> but what did it say / not do?
[17:24] <MonsterKiller> :p
[17:24] <BigRedS> nope
[17:24] <BigRedS> usererror
[17:24] <BigRedS> :(
[17:24] <BigRedS> (I missed a character off when I copied)
[17:24] <MonsterKiller> hehe
[17:25] <BigRedS> Though I'm still useless, and I've got to wander off imminently in any case
[17:32] <MonsterKiller> who updates the ubuntu packages?
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> the Ubuntu maintainers
[17:32] <MonsterKiller> i see
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> but what is the exact problem you have?
[17:33] <MonsterKiller> well to start with lighttpd was giving ssl errors and people couldnt access ssl pages
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> which ssl errors?
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> any more specific?
[17:33] <MonsterKiller> SSL: 1 error:1408A09D:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:clienthello tlsext
[17:33] <MonsterKiller> SSL: null SSL_CTX for TLS server name <page>
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> That looks like the client starts a TLS/SSLv3 connection
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> and the server can't find a SSL context for the server
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> sounds like you didn't generate/specify your server cert correctly in the lighttpd config
[17:35] <MonsterKiller> the thing was that it worked for about 3 weeks then all of a sudden i got that
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> maybe the cert expired?
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> or the signing cert expired?
[17:36] <MonsterKiller> shouldnt have done :/
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> check it
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> or someone/something fiddled with your config
[17:43]  * mgdm wonders if dotdeb.org packages on Hardy is a bad idea
[17:45] <MonsterKiller> hmm well i will go back to the ubuntu openssl package for now since building one didnt work but there is like 5 updates, 1 of which is a security update, after package one
[17:45] <mgdm> sod it, /me rebuilds it with pbuilder
[17:45] <MonsterKiller> lol
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: the Ubuntu people /always/ backport security fixes
[17:47] <MonsterKiller> lol
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> are you really laughing out loud, or are you just filling the void with useless "lol"ling
[17:48] <MonsterKiller> erm 2nd one?
[17:48] <MonsterKiller> >.<
[17:48] <MonsterKiller> OpenSSL 1.0.0c is now available, including important bug and security fixes
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: Important fixes are always backported to stable releases of Ubuntu
[17:50] <MonsterKiller> okay
[17:51] <MonsterKiller> though i wish i wasnt told i should update openssl from source :/
[17:51] <MonsterKiller> got to install things again
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: if you're lucky, it installed in /usr/local/ instead of /usr/lib/
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: if so, "make uninstall" should do the trick :)
[17:54] <MonsterKiller> /usr/local/ssl
[17:54] <MonsterKiller> :p
[17:55] <MonsterKiller> never done make uninstall though
[17:55] <MonsterKiller> first timer for that
[17:56] <MonsterKiller> make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[17:56] <MonsterKiller> o.O
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> oh, too bad
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> sometimes that works
[17:57] <dwatkins> I guess it would require the Makefile to have rules on what to do, you could reverse the process of installation by hand, though, in theory...
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: afaik some automake versions create makefiles with uninstall targets
[17:57] <MonsterKiller> if i knew where it put everything
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> and ExtUtils::MakeMaker used to
[17:57] <dwatkins> MonsterKiller: reading the Makefile may tell you this
[17:58] <mgdm> tbh I'd do something like apt-get install --reinstall openssl (whatever the package name is)
[17:58] <mgdm> but I'll defer to advice on that point
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: won't matter, everything installed into /usr/local/ssl
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: package files weren't overwritten
[17:59] <mgdm> Ah, that's not so bad then
[17:59] <MonsterKiller> where should it usually install?
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: depends on what you tell it :)
[18:00] <MonsterKiller> lol
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> usually you would use a package
[18:01] <MonsterKiller> i will just stick with the package for now and wait till the package is updated
[18:01] <MonsterKiller> :P
[18:06] <Seeker`> :O ITS MGDGM
[18:07] <mgdm> :O SEEKER`!!
[18:07] <mgdm> Hmmm, I are lagging
[18:12] <bigcalm> Hi mgdm :)
[18:12] <mgdm> 'lo bigcalm :)
[18:12]  * bigcalm hungers for Chinese take-away. Wonder if I can convince Hayley that she hungers for it as well ;)
[18:13] <MonsterKiller> lol
[18:19]  * mgdm compiles PHP 5.3 on his VM
[18:19] <mgdm> I expect to be waiting a wee while
[18:21] <bigcalm> What are you compiling in that can't be loaded as a module?
[18:23] <mgdm> PHP itself :)
[18:23] <mgdm> I want PHP 5.3 on hardy without all the silly things the deb packages do to it
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> like?
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> security? :P
[18:25] <mgdm> I don't need 90% of the junk that's compiled in, and I'm in two minds about the Suhosin thing
[18:26] <bigcalm> I've still yet to make use of file upload progress
[18:26] <bigcalm> There was a time when it would have been useful. But that time may come again some day
[18:26] <mgdm> I used that the other week
[18:27] <mgdm> If you're using APC's one, it doesn't work with FastCGI
[18:28] <bigcalm> I grumble at having to keep 5.2 around as CakePHP 1.1 doesn't work on 5.3 (no, there is no budget to upgrade to 1.2)
[18:28] <bigcalm> One of our client servers has to remain on 4 due to a version of moregroupware on it
[18:28] <mgdm> :|
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> :'(
[18:34] <bigcalm> It's possible to run different versions of PHP side by side based on vhost, right?
[18:34] <mgdm> if you do that you really want FastCGI or something like that
[19:29] <brobostigon> hehe, irssi on my android. :)
[19:33] <mgdm> \o/
[19:33] <mgdm> is that via connectbot or some SSH thing?
[19:35] <brobostigon> yes.
[19:35] <brobostigon> sshing into my eeepc.
[19:35] <kob>  hi all, anyone running TOR ? I'd need a running bridge to connect to the network ....
[19:36] <Azelphur> what's a good open source cross platform alternative to skype?
[19:37] <brobostigon> mgdm: its working quite well.
[19:37] <mgdm> cool
[19:37] <mgdm> I have done that on occasion
[19:40]  * MartijnVdS yawns a bit
[19:40] <brobostigon> mgdm: i would loveto do it form an outside network, but dont have mobile ipv6.
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> my phone has ipv6, as long as I'm on a wifi net with a v6 router
[19:41] <brobostigon> which i am at home,
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> (SLAAC)
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: at home, or at work :)
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> well not quite yet at work
[19:42] <brobostigon> home,
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> but they're working on it
[19:44] <brobostigon> :)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> ooh, 80s night on the vault
[19:44] <brobostigon> :)
[19:49] <brobostigon> would workbetter i think,on a motorola xoom, with a bigger screen.
[19:50] <brobostigon> something like*
[19:50]  * MartijnVdS wants a Xoom
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> or something like it
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> I've watched the presentation this week.. *Droool*
[19:50] <brobostigon> me too, very.
[19:53] <ali1234> meh, even windows mobile supported ipv6 back in 2005
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: everything except most home routers/modems supports it
[19:54] <brobostigon> ali1234: issue is, do an mobile phone providers support  and give ipv6 addr's. not that iknow of yet, atleastin the uk.
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Carrier/ISP equipment can all do it (yay US government requirements)
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: problem is, mobile won't do dual-stack until LTE
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: 3G (UMTS) and GPRS support v4 _or_ v6, but not both at the same time
[19:55] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: LTE ?
[19:55] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, i see.
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution -- "4G"
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> the next tech after UMTS
[19:56] <brobostigon> thank you MartijnVdS, ,let melook.
[19:58] <ali1234> exactly, everything supports ipv6 except the cheap free routers that ISPs give out
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: which is why we give Fritz!Boxes away where I work :)
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> they can negotiate for a v6 prefix using PPPoA/PPPoE + magic
[19:59] <brobostigon> i very quickly got my ownrouter, when my isp supplied one failed, and have since stuckdoing that, and using custom firmware,
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: sure, but if the ISP is assuming most people have the cheap router, they won't implement v6
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> well they will
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> but everyone will need a new modem
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> or router
[20:00] <brobostigon> or new firmware,
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: new modem is easier for the support department
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> firmware flashing can go wrong in so many creative ways
[20:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: good point
[20:01] <brobostigon> higher HW cost.
[20:02] <AlanBell> yay, I have a phone again
[20:02] <brobostigon> but maybe overall lower cost,
[20:02] <brobostigon> yay AlanBell
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you lost your previous one?
[20:03] <AlanBell> think it is a bit broken, for voice, but I think I can install an IRC client on it
[20:07] <Azelphur> Having problems getting my mic to work, I know it's wired up and has driver support because I can turn the mic up in the playback section on Alsamixer and hear myself
[20:07] <Azelphur> but I can't get it to work on capture
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: use the pulseaudio configuration bit
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> (speaker in top bar, sound preferences)
[20:08] <Azelphur> yea, I'm using sound preferences
[20:08] <Azelphur> the mic is turned up, and I got nothing from input level it's just black
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> and which app to record
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> is it muted?
[20:08] <Azelphur> nope
[20:09]  * MartijnVdS 's laptop has an unsupported codec chip
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> so the mic shows up but doesn't work
[20:10] <Azelphur> yup
[20:10] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/February%202011/2011-02-05-201014_574x477_scrot.png
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: any other "connector" available?
[20:11] <Azelphur> yes, but none of them work either :(
[20:11] <Azelphur> Microphone 1, Microphone 2, Line-In
[20:15] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/Azelphur pro helping tools :P
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> click the internal audio thingy
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> analog duplex is good
[20:17] <Azelphur> :)
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> why not use the one in your webcam? :)
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> the mic
[20:18] <Azelphur> doesn't work either :(
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> Have you manually changed audio settings?
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> disabled pulse, things like that
[20:18] <Azelphur> nope
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> no idea, sorry
[20:19] <Azelphur> blast :(
[20:20] <Azelphur> lol mouse goes crazy when I go onto my other X screen xD
[20:21] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: it's weird because if I change mic on playback I can hear myself
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> let me check how it's set here
[20:21] <Azelphur> kk
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> it wokrs!
[20:22] <Azelphur> haha wtf
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> I hear you
[20:22] <Azelphur> but it still doesn't work in the sound preferences dialog
[20:22] <Azelphur> I was just like what why is the VE meter on ustream working
[20:23] <Azelphur> that's trippy.
[20:23] <Azelphur> also, Flash fell over and died :(
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> could be flash
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> claiming the device so sound prefs can't read from it
[20:23] <Azelphur> nah, I had sound pref open before I started flash
[20:24] <Azelphur> *shrug* weirdness
[20:25] <penguin42> Azelphur: Try lsof /dev/snd/*  the only thing should be a couple of pulseaudio instances
[20:25] <alexMocanu> Hello, everybody!
[20:27] <Azelphur> penguin42: Steam.exe and lmms :P
[20:27] <penguin42> Azelphur: Hmph well get those guys out of the way and pulse might be able to get back in there
[20:28] <Azelphur> penguin42: lol, pulse is in there, apps that use pulseaudio can hear my mic :P
[20:29] <Azelphur> I think it's just the sound preferences dialog that went up the wall
[20:29] <penguin42> hmm
[20:49] <stuart> This might be a bit OT, but does Ubuntu automatically recognise say (SMP) Hyperthreading even if it is not recognised in the bios??
[20:50] <mgdm> the kernel will handle that, so yes
[20:51] <mgdm> well, if it's available on the chip, and assuming it's not disabled somehow
[20:51] <AlanBell> if it is disabled in the bios then it will see one processor
[20:52] <gord> yeah smp is almost always controlled by the bios
[20:52] <AlanBell> but the bios should have some setting for it
[21:48] <MooDoo> hello all
[21:48] <brobostigon> evening MooDoo :)
[23:10] <AlanBell> my new phone thinks the date is 27/82/2010
[23:11] <penguin42> erm
[23:11] <penguin42> which phone is that?
[23:12] <AlanBell> when I say "my new phone" I mean, "my wife's old phone"
[23:12] <AlanBell> LG KS360
[23:12] <AlanBell> and now it won't let me set the date because the date is invalid /o\
[23:12] <AlanBell> ah, done it
[23:13] <AlanBell> set it all to zeros and saved, then set it back