[05:04] I find it awesome how a dude who's already stalked two of my 'underage' female friends is off after another yet again. >.< [17:10] paultag: ping [17:12] paultag: so, read ur latest blog post. the one downfall to 32-bit that you're missing is insufficient randomness in address space randomization. 2^32 possibilities are currently brute-forceable, but 2^64 possibilities are not (currently) [17:13] ;) so, thats why i don't run any 32-bit systems any more [17:15] gilbert: humm, iteresting [17:16] paultag: oh yeah, i became a DM about a month ago too :) whoo! [17:16] gilbert: COMGRATS!!!!!!!! [17:16] well done! [17:17] thx :) [17:17] and squeeze appears to be releasing today! [17:17] gilbert: I saw! (and no rc bugs!) [17:18] well, there are about 25 unfixed, but those are mostly security issues that will be fixed with a DSA soon [17:18] they're tagged squeeze-ignore [17:18] so they don't show up in normal lists [17:18] ahh [17:18] so, what have u been up to lately? [17:19] gilbert: just the usual. working away on school, it's been a crazy semester [17:19] gilbert: looking to start moving up to debian, so doing that soon. I'm going to adopt a few packages [17:20] i'm going to apply to DD pretty soon here. i have a bunch of new packages to get sponsored as soon as wheezy is open for uploads [17:20] nice! :) [17:21] i need to bug more DDs more often [17:21] heh, soon u can bug me ;) [17:21] :) [17:23] how's loco council stuff? [17:23] gilbert: busy as all hell. Our big issue is that loco members don't need to sign the CoC, so they can "act out" without violating anything [17:24] gilbert: so we get tons of kickback with tons of personal assults [17:24] gilbert: kinda sucks, but it's OK. we're doing good work [17:24] paultag: ah, so would it be too much of barrier if coc signing were a req to join a loco? [17:25] gilbert: we tried to insist on it, at least for the contact -- but then people bitched either because the CoC is not translated, or the contact is the not the administrator [17:25] paultag: most of ohio's members seem to be very well-behaved regardless of the coc [17:25] gilbert: +10000 [17:26] gilbert: we have an amazing loco [17:26] paultag: for ohio the council ml is the contact now, so its not a real person [17:26] gilbert: aye, that's fine. We just consider it a meta-person [17:27] just like other places where they give contact@ubuntu-xx.org to the contact [17:28] the council arrangement seems to be working out pretty well so far [17:28] gilbert: totally. y'all rule [17:28] nice to have ppl to back you up [17:28] gilbert: for sure, for sure. Ya'll are doing a fantastic job [17:29] so, wouldn't the solution be to translate the coc? [17:29] if thats what ppl r complaining about [17:30] gilbert: yes, and we're working on it, but we have to get very good translators to translate it in a way that carrys the same meaning [17:30] e.g. klingon has no word for love, so translating a document about how you should love someone has no meaning in klingon [17:31] k'plah [17:32] haha [17:32] :) [17:32] but yeah [17:32] didn't know there was a loco in the klingon federation [17:33] gilbert: ubuntu-kl [17:33] paultag: seriously? [17:33] gilbert: nope :) [17:33] oh, haha [17:33] haha [17:33] wouldn't suprise me if there was one tho [17:33] gilbert: yeah, so we're working on getting the CoC and LCoC set up for locos [17:34] paultag: cool [17:34] gilbert: we'd really like to see leaders / contacts sign the LCoC, but there's a lot of push back [17:34] gilbert: e.g. if you give members roles, such as handling swag, or doing server work, should they sign as well? [17:35] and if so, then there is a huge technical cost to contributing [17:35] which disincentivizes the whole gig [17:35] why does the lcoc need to differ from the coc? [17:36] gilbert: not sure. not my call. [17:36] gilbert: the LCoC is for leadership -- just says set a good example and step down with grace etc [17:36] y not, ur "the man" on the council [17:36] paultag: isn't that in the coc? [17:36] gilbert: yeah, for sure, but the LCoC is mark's call [17:36] gilbert: yeah, it's really fuzzy. Let me find both texts [17:37] paultag: thats what annoys me about the ubuntu community, its not a meritocracy when one person can say this is it [17:37] gilbert: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct [17:37] gilbert: yeah I know [17:38] gilbert: I'm considering a move to debian fulltime. [17:38] not like I'd drop Ubuntu [17:38] but I'd swap time-investments [17:39] it really seems like they can be merged [17:39] gilbert: yeah, there was talk of that, but they're these big blobby documents that are locked in [17:39] conflicts of interest would be applicable to anyone [17:39] gilbert: if we change the CoC, we need to have everyone re-sign it [17:39] credit would be applicable to everyone as well [17:39] delegating [17:39] all of it pretty much [17:39] gilbert: I agree [17:41] paultag: the coc resigning has already been done before, right [17:41] 1.0 to 1.1 or something [17:41] gilbert: yeah, but we had way fewer ubutnu members [17:41] gilbert: there were like 200-300 [17:41] btw coc is probably the worst acronym ever [17:42] aye [17:42] gilbert: we now have 662 ubuntu members [17:43] doesn't seem that bad when a dictor can say this needs to be done [17:43] dictator [17:43] gilbert: truth [17:43] gilbert: file a bug against ubuntu-community, I'll get it handled [17:44] oh how i loath launchpad [17:45] gilbert: yeah yeah. [17:45] ;) [21:36] Any Doctor Who fans? http://artoftrolling.memebase.com/2011/02/01/drag-troll-who-would-fall-for-this/ [21:38] Unit193: nice... :) [23:05] I hate it when there's a web page I saw a few weeks ago and now I can't find it, either in my history or google -_- [23:53] Cheri703: How's teh job scene going? [23:54] eh [23:55] I've been dealing with sick dog stuff [23:56] I'm in ny at my parents' house and my 12 yr old dog that lived with them had to get put down yesterday morning and I had to put down my 3.5 yr old dog that had cancer today...my dad buried them