[05:04] <BiosElement> I find it awesome how a dude who's already stalked two of my 'underage' female friends is off after another yet again. >.<
[17:10] <gilbert> paultag: ping
[17:12] <gilbert> paultag: so, read ur latest blog post.  the one downfall to 32-bit that you're missing is insufficient randomness in address space randomization.  2^32 possibilities are currently brute-forceable, but 2^64 possibilities are not (currently)
[17:13] <gilbert> ;) so, thats why i don't run any 32-bit systems any more
[17:15] <paultag> gilbert: humm, iteresting
[17:16] <gilbert> paultag: oh yeah, i became a DM about a month ago too :) whoo!
[17:16] <paultag> gilbert: COMGRATS!!!!!!!!
[17:16] <paultag> well done!
[17:17] <gilbert> thx :)
[17:17] <gilbert> and squeeze appears to be releasing today!
[17:17] <paultag> gilbert: I saw! (and no rc bugs!)
[17:18] <gilbert> well, there are about 25 unfixed, but those are mostly security issues that will be fixed with a DSA soon
[17:18] <gilbert> they're tagged squeeze-ignore
[17:18] <gilbert> so they don't show up in normal lists
[17:18] <paultag> ahh
[17:18] <gilbert> so, what have u been up to lately?
[17:19] <paultag> gilbert: just the usual. working away on school, it's been a crazy semester
[17:19] <paultag> gilbert: looking to start moving up to debian, so doing that soon. I'm going to adopt a few packages
[17:20] <gilbert> i'm going to apply to DD pretty soon here.  i have a bunch of new packages to get sponsored as soon as wheezy is open for uploads
[17:20] <paultag> nice! :)
[17:21] <paultag> i need to bug more DDs more often
[17:21] <gilbert> heh, soon u can bug me ;)
[17:21] <paultag> :)
[17:23] <gilbert> how's loco council stuff?
[17:23] <paultag> gilbert: busy as all hell. Our big issue is that loco members don't need to sign the CoC, so they can "act out" without violating anything
[17:24] <paultag> gilbert: so we get tons of kickback with tons of personal assults
[17:24] <paultag> gilbert: kinda sucks, but it's OK. we're doing good work
[17:24] <gilbert> paultag: ah, so would it be too much of barrier if coc signing were a req to join a loco?
[17:25] <paultag> gilbert: we tried to insist on it, at least for the contact -- but then people bitched either because the CoC is not translated, or the contact is the not the administrator
[17:25] <gilbert> paultag: most of ohio's members seem to be very well-behaved regardless of the coc
[17:25] <paultag> gilbert: +10000
[17:26] <paultag> gilbert: we have an amazing loco
[17:26] <gilbert> paultag: for ohio the council ml is the contact now, so its not a real person
[17:26] <paultag> gilbert: aye, that's fine. We just consider it a meta-person
[17:27] <paultag> just like other places where they give contact@ubuntu-xx.org to the contact
[17:28] <gilbert> the council arrangement seems to be working out pretty well so far
[17:28] <paultag> gilbert: totally. y'all rule
[17:28] <gilbert> nice to have ppl to back you up
[17:28] <paultag> gilbert: for sure, for sure. Ya'll are doing a fantastic job
[17:29] <gilbert> so, wouldn't the solution be to translate the coc?
[17:29] <gilbert> if thats what ppl r complaining about
[17:30] <paultag> gilbert: yes, and we're working on it, but we have to get very good translators to translate it in a way that carrys the same meaning
[17:30] <paultag> e.g. klingon has no word for love, so translating a document about how you should love someone has no meaning in klingon
[17:31] <paultag> k'plah
[17:32] <gilbert> haha
[17:32] <paultag> :)
[17:32] <paultag> but yeah
[17:32] <gilbert> didn't know there was a loco in the klingon federation
[17:33] <paultag> gilbert: ubuntu-kl
[17:33] <gilbert> paultag: seriously?
[17:33] <paultag> gilbert: nope :)
[17:33] <gilbert> oh, haha
[17:33] <paultag> haha
[17:33] <gilbert> wouldn't suprise me if there was one tho
[17:33] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, so we're working on getting the CoC and LCoC set up for locos
[17:34] <gilbert> paultag: cool
[17:34] <paultag> gilbert: we'd really like to see leaders / contacts sign the LCoC, but there's a lot of push back
[17:34] <paultag> gilbert: e.g. if you give members roles, such as handling swag, or doing server work, should they sign as well?
[17:35] <paultag> and if so, then there is a huge technical cost to contributing
[17:35] <paultag> which disincentivizes the whole gig
[17:35] <gilbert> why does the lcoc need to differ from the coc?
[17:36] <paultag> gilbert: not sure. not my call.
[17:36] <paultag> gilbert: the LCoC is for leadership -- just says set a good example and step down with grace etc
[17:36] <gilbert> y not, ur "the man" on the council
[17:36] <gilbert> paultag: isn't that in the coc?
[17:36] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, for sure, but the LCoC is mark's call
[17:36] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, it's really fuzzy. Let me find both texts
[17:37] <gilbert> paultag: thats what annoys me about the ubuntu community, its not a meritocracy when one person can say this is it
[17:37] <paultag> gilbert: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct   |  http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct
[17:37] <paultag> gilbert: yeah I know
[17:38] <paultag> gilbert: I'm considering a move to debian fulltime.
[17:38] <paultag> not like I'd drop Ubuntu
[17:38] <paultag> but I'd swap time-investments
[17:39] <gilbert> it really seems like they can be merged
[17:39] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, there was talk of that, but they're these big blobby documents that are locked in
[17:39] <gilbert> conflicts of interest would be applicable to anyone
[17:39] <paultag> gilbert: if we change the CoC, we need to have everyone re-sign it
[17:39] <gilbert> credit would be applicable to everyone as well
[17:39] <gilbert> delegating
[17:39] <gilbert> all of it pretty much
[17:39] <paultag> gilbert: I agree
[17:41] <gilbert> paultag: the coc resigning has already been done before, right
[17:41] <gilbert> 1.0 to 1.1 or something
[17:41] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, but we had way fewer ubutnu members
[17:41] <paultag> gilbert: there were like 200-300
[17:41] <gilbert> btw coc is probably the worst acronym ever
[17:42] <paultag> aye
[17:42] <paultag> gilbert: we now have 662 ubuntu members
[17:43] <gilbert> doesn't seem that bad when a dictor can say this needs to be done
[17:43] <gilbert> dictator
[17:43] <paultag> gilbert: truth
[17:43] <paultag> gilbert: file a bug against ubuntu-community, I'll get it handled
[17:44] <gilbert> oh how i loath launchpad
[17:45] <paultag> gilbert: yeah yeah.
[17:45] <paultag> ;)
[21:36] <Unit193> Any Doctor Who fans? http://artoftrolling.memebase.com/2011/02/01/drag-troll-who-would-fall-for-this/
[21:38] <canthus13> Unit193: nice... :)
[23:05] <Cheri703> I hate it when there's a web page I saw a few weeks ago and now I can't find it, either in my history or google -_-
[23:53] <canthus13> Cheri703: How's teh job scene going?
[23:54] <Cheri703> eh
[23:55] <Cheri703> I've been dealing with sick dog stuff
[23:56] <Cheri703> I'm in ny at my parents' house and my 12 yr old dog that lived with them had to get put down yesterday morning and I had to put down my 3.5 yr old dog that had cancer today...my dad buried them