| ochosi | charlie-tca: you don't have to ask bratsche about theming the resize grip anymore, i already managed ;) | 00:10 |
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| charlie-tca | Thanks | 00:10 |
| ochosi | only question that remains is whether i can also indirectly fix bugs like this | 00:11 |
| ochosi | e.g. using an empty pixmap resize grip for windows where it shouldn't show up | 00:11 |
| ochosi | (but i'm kind of afraid that the resize-area would still stay there, even if not visible anymore) | 00:11 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: the best part about this is that we can now make the resize-grip more visible (if we want to) | 00:12 |
| charlie-tca | It does have it uses. I notice the resize arrow now shows up in both left corners easily, but I am not sure seeing the stupid thing matters ;-) | 00:13 |
| charlie-tca | s/left/right | 00:13 |
| ochosi | yeah | 00:14 |
| charlie-tca | personally, I think it is ugly | 00:14 |
| ochosi | :) | 00:14 |
| ochosi | i agree | 00:14 |
| charlie-tca | I suspect people will see it and decide that is where they have to grab to do a resize, which is false | 00:14 |
| ochosi | why is it false? | 00:15 |
| charlie-tca | I can still put the cursor anywhere on the border to resize, I do not have to grab at the grip only | 00:15 |
| ochosi | right | 00:16 |
| ochosi | that is something we ca also discuss, reducing the border-width now that there is the resize grip all over the place | 00:16 |
| charlie-tca | a visual indicator like that gives people the idea it won't work anywhere else | 00:16 |
| charlie-tca | hm, I hadn't thought about reducing the border, I use them to find the edges, but I guess you are right. | 00:17 |
| charlie-tca | A thin border would work | 00:17 |
| ochosi | here's the resize grip pixmap i tried: http://wiki.knome.fi/_detail/shimmer:resize-grip.png?id=shimmer%3Agreybird | 00:19 |
| ochosi | it doesn't look all bad | 00:19 |
| ochosi | we can still decide to use it for some apps and not use it for the rest | 00:19 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe there is use case for visibility, too? orage world time without the title bar, you can only resize by grabbing the grip | 00:19 |
| ochosi | that's the other gain from knowing how to theme the beast: we can define which apps should use the pixmap resize grip | 00:19 |
| charlie-tca | lot more work, though, isn't it? | 00:20 |
| ochosi | hm, i guess it could be ok | 00:20 |
| charlie-tca | that grip is what I see with industrial theme, too | 00:20 |
| ochosi | i just have to figure out the namespace of each app we want to theme, then it's one line per app | 00:20 |
| charlie-tca | But, more work, looks great! might make a difference to a theme that can be distributed all over? | 00:21 |
| ochosi | yeah | 00:21 |
| ochosi | this resize grip is not really what i want to finally use, it's just one thing i found in another theme and quickly took to try how it looks | 00:21 |
| ochosi | i can make a few resize-grip designs | 00:21 |
| ochosi | and then we can vote on which one we prefer | 00:21 |
| charlie-tca | yes, that would be great | 00:22 |
| ochosi | it seems trivial (the grip), but since it's gonna be in practically every window... | 00:22 |
| charlie-tca | like I said, sometimes it does need to be there, too | 00:22 |
| ochosi | yep | 00:22 |
| charlie-tca | May as well make it pretty, huh? | 00:22 |
| ochosi | exactly :) | 00:22 |
| ochosi | if you see resize-grips in other themes (or anywhere else) that you like please point me to them | 00:23 |
| charlie-tca | I will look again. Most of what I have seen is the 3-lines in a diagonal only. | 00:24 |
| ochosi | hm, the only other thing i've seen is the resize-grip of the aurora engine | 00:25 |
| ochosi | that one is also not bad | 00:25 |
| charlie-tca | high-contrast does it, too, with black on the lines. that is kind of more ugly. | 00:25 |
| ochosi | and very visible | 00:25 |
| ochosi | yeah, high-contrast is not very nice... just tried it | 00:25 |
| charlie-tca | It works when you really need it | 00:25 |
| ochosi | true | 00:26 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: please remind me at some point to do something about the dict-plugin still not really working in the panel | 00:27 |
| charlie-tca | I will try. Still got to keep trying the weather plugin, too. | 00:28 |
| ochosi | even though i don't really know why that is (verve seems more or less ok now) | 00:28 |
| charlie-tca | They just released another update for that | 00:28 |
| ochosi | ah nice | 00:28 |
| ochosi | at some point i was wondering whether we want to add that to the default panel conf | 00:28 |
| ochosi | but not sure whether it's a good idea | 00:28 |
| charlie-tca | Would the new user use it, or is it more of "experienced users like this"? | 00:29 |
| ochosi | not sure, the main thing is that it's utterly useless without internet | 00:30 |
| charlie-tca | I will have to reinstall pretty soon, too, since the update yesterday for removing python 2.6 removed about 20 apps on me | 00:30 |
| charlie-tca | hm, we do have a bunch of non-connected users. | 00:30 |
| ochosi | myeah, i still didn't do that upgrade because it wants to remove nvidia-current | 00:30 |
| charlie-tca | oh, I did that one. | 00:30 |
| charlie-tca | We will be without it most of the cycle now | 00:31 |
| ochosi | oh | 00:31 |
| ochosi | why's that? | 00:31 |
| charlie-tca | nvidia has to re-write it to work with Xserver 1.10 | 00:31 |
| ochosi | right | 00:31 |
| charlie-tca | It usually takes them a couple of months, at least | 00:31 |
| ochosi | here's an example of a "borderless" theme, since we just talked about it: http://bobdmv.deviantart.com/art/Elementary-borderless-0-2-192021221 | 00:32 |
| ochosi | oh dear, i need my nvidia driver... | 00:32 |
| ochosi | just not sure how the resize grip would look in such a window | 00:32 |
| charlie-tca | I don't think I like that so much. I have a hard time seeing where each window is | 00:33 |
| ochosi | i mean in a window without border | 00:33 |
| ochosi | yeah | 00:33 |
| charlie-tca | but, the greatest thing in the world, they change easily! | 00:33 |
| ochosi | yep :) | 00:33 |
| ochosi | alrighty, g2g to bed now | 00:33 |
| charlie-tca | for what I do, the windows would wash into each other | 00:33 |
| ochosi | mhm | 00:33 |
| charlie-tca | Good night. and thanks | 00:34 |
| ochosi | np, nighty night | 00:34 |
| ochosi | cd /bed && sleep | 00:34 |
| cody-somerville | Interesting. Chromium browser uses more CPU than Firefox but Firefox uses more memory, lol | 12:28 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 13:38 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: with the updates after alpha2 release, the first restart I had about 9 apps crash, including xorg. I have not been able to reproduce them. | 13:54 |
| charlie-tca | I also have not been able to reproduce the reboot/shutdown bug again after those updates. Will keep trying, though. | 13:54 |
| charlie-tca | Team Report updates for January are due today. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports | 17:36 |
| charlie-tca | I guess I am not just a user anymore... :-) | 18:05 |
| j1mc | : ) ?? | 18:09 |
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