[00:10] charlie-tca: you don't have to ask bratsche about theming the resize grip anymore, i already managed ;) [00:10] Thanks [00:11] only question that remains is whether i can also indirectly fix bugs like this [00:11] e.g. using an empty pixmap resize grip for windows where it shouldn't show up [00:11] (but i'm kind of afraid that the resize-area would still stay there, even if not visible anymore) [00:12] charlie-tca: the best part about this is that we can now make the resize-grip more visible (if we want to) [00:13] It does have it uses. I notice the resize arrow now shows up in both left corners easily, but I am not sure seeing the stupid thing matters ;-) [00:13] s/left/right [00:14] yeah [00:14] personally, I think it is ugly [00:14] :) [00:14] i agree [00:14] I suspect people will see it and decide that is where they have to grab to do a resize, which is false [00:15] why is it false? [00:15] I can still put the cursor anywhere on the border to resize, I do not have to grab at the grip only [00:16] right [00:16] that is something we ca also discuss, reducing the border-width now that there is the resize grip all over the place [00:16] a visual indicator like that gives people the idea it won't work anywhere else [00:17] hm, I hadn't thought about reducing the border, I use them to find the edges, but I guess you are right. [00:17] A thin border would work [00:19] here's the resize grip pixmap i tried: http://wiki.knome.fi/_detail/shimmer:resize-grip.png?id=shimmer%3Agreybird [00:19] it doesn't look all bad [00:19] we can still decide to use it for some apps and not use it for the rest [00:19] Maybe there is use case for visibility, too? orage world time without the title bar, you can only resize by grabbing the grip [00:19] that's the other gain from knowing how to theme the beast: we can define which apps should use the pixmap resize grip [00:20] lot more work, though, isn't it? [00:20] hm, i guess it could be ok [00:20] that grip is what I see with industrial theme, too [00:20] i just have to figure out the namespace of each app we want to theme, then it's one line per app [00:21] But, more work, looks great! might make a difference to a theme that can be distributed all over? [00:21] yeah [00:21] this resize grip is not really what i want to finally use, it's just one thing i found in another theme and quickly took to try how it looks [00:21] i can make a few resize-grip designs [00:21] and then we can vote on which one we prefer [00:22] yes, that would be great [00:22] it seems trivial (the grip), but since it's gonna be in practically every window... [00:22] like I said, sometimes it does need to be there, too [00:22] yep [00:22] May as well make it pretty, huh? [00:22] exactly :) [00:23] if you see resize-grips in other themes (or anywhere else) that you like please point me to them [00:24] I will look again. Most of what I have seen is the 3-lines in a diagonal only. [00:25] hm, the only other thing i've seen is the resize-grip of the aurora engine [00:25] that one is also not bad [00:25] high-contrast does it, too, with black on the lines. that is kind of more ugly. [00:25] and very visible [00:25] yeah, high-contrast is not very nice... just tried it [00:25] It works when you really need it [00:26] true [00:27] charlie-tca: please remind me at some point to do something about the dict-plugin still not really working in the panel [00:28] I will try. Still got to keep trying the weather plugin, too. [00:28] even though i don't really know why that is (verve seems more or less ok now) [00:28] They just released another update for that [00:28] ah nice [00:28] at some point i was wondering whether we want to add that to the default panel conf [00:28] but not sure whether it's a good idea [00:29] Would the new user use it, or is it more of "experienced users like this"? [00:30] not sure, the main thing is that it's utterly useless without internet [00:30] I will have to reinstall pretty soon, too, since the update yesterday for removing python 2.6 removed about 20 apps on me [00:30] hm, we do have a bunch of non-connected users. [00:30] myeah, i still didn't do that upgrade because it wants to remove nvidia-current [00:30] oh, I did that one. [00:31] We will be without it most of the cycle now [00:31] oh [00:31] why's that? [00:31] nvidia has to re-write it to work with Xserver 1.10 [00:31] right [00:31] It usually takes them a couple of months, at least [00:32] here's an example of a "borderless" theme, since we just talked about it: http://bobdmv.deviantart.com/art/Elementary-borderless-0-2-192021221 [00:32] oh dear, i need my nvidia driver... [00:32] just not sure how the resize grip would look in such a window [00:33] I don't think I like that so much. I have a hard time seeing where each window is [00:33] i mean in a window without border [00:33] yeah [00:33] but, the greatest thing in the world, they change easily! [00:33] yep :) [00:33] alrighty, g2g to bed now [00:33] for what I do, the windows would wash into each other [00:33] mhm [00:34] Good night. and thanks [00:34] np, nighty night [00:34] cd /bed && sleep [12:28] Interesting. Chromium browser uses more CPU than Firefox but Firefox uses more memory, lol [13:38] Good morning [13:54] mr_pouit: with the updates after alpha2 release, the first restart I had about 9 apps crash, including xorg. I have not been able to reproduce them. [13:54] I also have not been able to reproduce the reboot/shutdown bug again after those updates. Will keep trying, though. [17:36] Team Report updates for January are due today. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports [18:05] I guess I am not just a user anymore... :-) [18:09] : ) ??