[00:10] <ochosi> charlie-tca: you don't have to ask bratsche about theming the resize grip anymore, i already managed ;)
[00:10] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[00:11] <ochosi> only question that remains is whether i can also indirectly fix bugs like this
[00:11] <ochosi> e.g. using an empty pixmap resize grip for windows where it shouldn't show up
[00:11] <ochosi> (but i'm kind of afraid that the resize-area would still stay there, even if not visible anymore)
[00:12] <ochosi> charlie-tca: the best part about this is that we can now make the resize-grip more visible (if we want to)
[00:13] <charlie-tca> It does have it uses. I notice the resize arrow now shows up in both left corners easily, but I am not sure seeing the stupid thing matters ;-)
[00:13] <charlie-tca> s/left/right
[00:14] <ochosi> yeah
[00:14] <charlie-tca> personally, I think it is ugly
[00:14] <ochosi> :)
[00:14] <ochosi> i agree
[00:14] <charlie-tca> I suspect people will see it and decide that is where they have to grab to do a resize, which is false
[00:15] <ochosi> why is it false?
[00:15] <charlie-tca> I can still put the cursor anywhere on the border to resize, I do not have to grab at the grip only
[00:16] <ochosi> right
[00:16] <ochosi> that is something we ca also discuss, reducing the border-width now that there is the resize grip all over the place
[00:16] <charlie-tca> a visual indicator like that gives people the idea it won't work anywhere else
[00:17] <charlie-tca> hm, I hadn't thought about reducing the border, I use them to find the edges, but I guess you are right.
[00:17] <charlie-tca> A thin border would work
[00:19] <ochosi> here's the resize grip pixmap i tried: http://wiki.knome.fi/_detail/shimmer:resize-grip.png?id=shimmer%3Agreybird
[00:19] <ochosi> it doesn't look all bad
[00:19] <ochosi> we can still decide to use it for some apps and not use it for the rest
[00:19] <charlie-tca> Maybe there is use case for visibility, too? orage world time without the title bar, you can only resize by grabbing the grip
[00:19] <ochosi> that's the other gain from knowing how to theme the beast: we can define which apps should use the pixmap resize grip
[00:20] <charlie-tca> lot more work, though, isn't it?
[00:20] <ochosi> hm, i guess it could be ok
[00:20] <charlie-tca> that grip is what I see with industrial theme, too
[00:20] <ochosi> i just have to figure out the namespace of each app we want to theme, then it's one line per app
[00:21] <charlie-tca> But, more work, looks great! might make a difference to a theme that can be distributed all over?
[00:21] <ochosi> yeah
[00:21] <ochosi> this resize grip is not really what i want to finally use, it's just one thing i found in another theme and quickly took to try how it looks
[00:21] <ochosi> i can make a few resize-grip designs
[00:21] <ochosi> and then we can vote on which one we prefer
[00:22] <charlie-tca> yes, that would be great
[00:22] <ochosi> it seems trivial (the grip), but since it's gonna be in practically every window...
[00:22] <charlie-tca> like I said, sometimes it does need to be there, too
[00:22] <ochosi> yep
[00:22] <charlie-tca> May as well make it pretty, huh?
[00:22] <ochosi> exactly :)
[00:23] <ochosi> if you see resize-grips in other themes (or anywhere else) that you like please point me to them
[00:24] <charlie-tca> I will look again. Most of what I have seen is the 3-lines in a diagonal only. 
[00:25] <ochosi> hm, the only other thing i've seen is the resize-grip of the aurora engine
[00:25] <ochosi> that one is also not bad
[00:25] <charlie-tca> high-contrast does it, too, with black on the lines. that is kind of more ugly.
[00:25] <ochosi> and very visible
[00:25] <ochosi> yeah, high-contrast is not very nice... just tried it
[00:25] <charlie-tca> It works when you really need it
[00:26] <ochosi> true
[00:27] <ochosi> charlie-tca: please remind me at some point to do something about the dict-plugin still not really working in the panel
[00:28] <charlie-tca> I will try. Still got to keep trying the weather plugin, too. 
[00:28] <ochosi> even though i don't really know why that is (verve seems more or less ok now)
[00:28] <charlie-tca> They just released another update for that
[00:28] <ochosi> ah nice
[00:28] <ochosi> at some point i was wondering whether we want to add that to the default panel conf
[00:28] <ochosi> but not sure whether it's a good idea
[00:29] <charlie-tca> Would the new user use it, or is it more of "experienced users like this"?
[00:30] <ochosi> not sure, the main thing is that it's utterly useless without internet
[00:30] <charlie-tca> I will have to reinstall pretty soon, too, since the update yesterday for removing python 2.6 removed about 20 apps on me
[00:30] <charlie-tca> hm, we do have a bunch of non-connected users. 
[00:30] <ochosi> myeah, i still didn't do that upgrade because it wants to remove nvidia-current
[00:30] <charlie-tca> oh, I did that one. 
[00:31] <charlie-tca> We will be without it most of the cycle now
[00:31] <ochosi> oh
[00:31] <ochosi> why's that?
[00:31] <charlie-tca> nvidia has to re-write it to work with Xserver 1.10
[00:31] <ochosi> right
[00:31] <charlie-tca> It usually takes them a couple of months, at least
[00:32] <ochosi> here's an example of a "borderless" theme, since we just talked about it: http://bobdmv.deviantart.com/art/Elementary-borderless-0-2-192021221
[00:32] <ochosi> oh dear, i need my nvidia driver...
[00:32] <ochosi> just not sure how the resize grip would look in such a window
[00:33] <charlie-tca> I don't think I like that so much. I have a hard time seeing where each window is
[00:33] <ochosi> i mean in a window without border
[00:33] <ochosi> yeah
[00:33] <charlie-tca> but, the greatest thing in the world, they change easily!
[00:33] <ochosi> yep :)
[00:33] <ochosi> alrighty, g2g to bed now
[00:33] <charlie-tca> for what I do, the windows would wash into each other
[00:33] <ochosi> mhm
[00:34] <charlie-tca> Good night. and thanks
[00:34] <ochosi> np, nighty night
[00:34] <ochosi> cd /bed && sleep
[12:28] <cody-somerville> Interesting. Chromium browser uses more CPU than Firefox but Firefox uses more memory, lol
[13:38] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:54] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: with the updates after alpha2 release, the first restart I had about 9 apps crash, including xorg. I have not been able to reproduce them.
[13:54] <charlie-tca> I also have not been able to reproduce the reboot/shutdown bug again after those updates. Will keep trying, though.
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Team Report updates for January are due today. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[18:05] <charlie-tca> I guess I am not just a user anymore... :-)
[18:09] <j1mc> : ) ??