[00:03] natty will have nice new xfce [00:36] how to bypass sudo password? [00:36] Ex: x@x-comp:~$ sudo apt-get install bsdgames [00:36] Ex: [sudo] Password for x: [00:37] ask the person with it for the password [09:42] any ideas for a non-working trackpad. running 10.10 with acer aspire 3100. [10:00] not at all? check from lspci what model [10:04] not at all. errr, what should i look for in lspci? [10:04] the touchpad is detected (i see it from xinput) [10:09] is it synaptics? [10:09] yes [10:09] "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" [10:10] rebooted, installed updates? [10:10] gpointing-device-settings shows it, and allows me to change the settings, but nothing happens when i try to move the cursor with the touchpad [10:10] did that a few times, but i could try it again [10:10] just weird that it doesn't work since it's detected apparently correctly.. [10:11] i wonder how it behaves if it's taken out of use in bios [10:11] i checked bios, but there was nothing about it [10:12] could recheck that as well [10:12] but there was very very little stuff in bios altogether... [10:14] does your trackpad work? [10:14] does it work with another OS? [10:14] yup. [10:14] ok [10:15] then BIOS should be fine [10:15] yes, i figured that out, but since i'm out of ideas... [10:16] have you tried googling your laptop model+trackpad+ubuntu [10:16] yes. [10:16] no help there.. [10:16] you could try to switch driver [10:16] synaptics/evdev [10:16] just some guy having problems with tapping not working - but nothing is working for me [10:16] Sysi, that would mean touching Xorg.conf, right? :P [10:17] yup [10:17] there's nothing about touchpad in bios [10:17] or trackpad, or whatever you like to call it [10:18] don't trackpad usually appear just like a ps/2 pointer or something? [10:19] no idea :) [10:19] did it work through the installation process? [10:19] it maybe could be something going wrong with udev/hal [10:19] but idk how to check that [10:20] quantumbit, i had to install with alternative, so there was no mouse [10:21] ah [10:21] that may be related [10:21] xev doesn't detect any movement/cliks. [10:22] hm.. how about xorgconfig or whatever it's called [10:23] errrrm [10:23] fn+f7 [10:23] * knome blushes [10:23] ? [10:23] that enabled the touchpad. [10:24] heh [10:24] was apparently turned off hw-wise [10:24] hah [10:25] isn't it great when things work actually too well [10:26] yup. [10:26] have to say the laptop is quite unintuitive [10:28] you're lucky those key combos work :P [10:28] have an old laptop that i couldnt get these to work on in linux [10:29] for sound level, screen brightness etc.. [10:29] then, I wonder what use can be a key-combo to disable the trackpad :P [10:30] heh [10:30] i'm lucky that this laptop isn't mine.. :P [10:31] is it one of these netbooks? [10:32] nope [10:32] 15" === q_a_z_steve is now known as q_a_z_steve1 === q_a_z_steve1 is now known as q_a_z_steve === q_a_z_steve is now known as q_a_z_steve1 === q_a_z_steve1 is now known as q_a_z_steve === slow-motion_ is now known as slow-motion === slow-motion_ is now known as slow-motion [15:05] QUESTION: just installed xfce4.8 by ppa:koshi/xfce-4.8 on xubuntu but still its xfce 4.6 anybody can help? [15:05] I would suggest contacting the individual that created the ppa. It is not an official ppa [15:06] k [16:00] charlie-tca, what about adding a news entry in xubuntu.org telling that the 4.8 ppa's are not official [16:01] bbl. [16:01] good idea. I will get something in there [16:01] nice. [16:15] hello guys i need help with resolution after installing xubuntu desktop 4.8.1 now im stuck on 1024.768 how to adjust it more than that like 1280.1024? [16:16] display manager allows only 1024.768 [16:16] So, are you using Natty? [16:16] yes [16:17] any ideas? [16:17] It may be a limitation of the video driver for a while. hardware drivers are not yet compatible with Xserver 1.10 [16:18] More help with Natty might be available in #ubuntu+1, since they all run it [16:18] well before on 4.6 it worked very good [16:18] ok ill try [16:18] and it did not use Xserver 1.10 [16:19] btw howto check wich version i have on my sistem? [16:19] i mean xserver? [16:22] charlie-tca im sorry im not using natty :) [16:25] so any ideas on how fix this? [16:31] so no ideas on that? [16:38] not if it is not natty. You might have to ask wherever you got 4.8 to put on it [16:38] It is not officially supported, either [16:42] thank you. [16:52] hello... i have a question re: broadcom b43xx driver in xubuntu Lucid [16:53] i am trying to install it on a computer that has no other internet access [16:54] i am trying to follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [16:54] these instructions refer to a file on the install media called b43-fwcutter... but it isn't included on the xubuntu install [16:54] any thoughts? [16:55] hello? [16:55] !find b43-fwcutter [16:55] Found: b43-fwcutter [16:56] where did u find it? [16:56] !info b43-fwcutter [16:56] b43-fwcutter (source: b43-fwcutter): Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component main, is optional. Version 1:013-2 (maverick), package size 15 kB, installed size 80 kB [16:57] +looks like you can install it using sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter [16:57] but the machiune has no other inet access [16:58] so apt cant get the package or depends [16:58] hm, downĺoad to another machine and transfer using either cd or usb [16:58] any depends? [17:00] nope [17:00] thanks charlie-tca... i'll give it a try [17:03] the website https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx also refers to a pkg called "patch"... should i try to dl that as well? [17:09] if you can't see it with apt-cache policy patch, yes [17:11] ok, thanks [17:11] You´re welcome. Good luck... [17:24] Hello [17:25] I have a question regarding Xubuntu [17:25] Hmm? [17:25] !question [17:25] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [17:25] Why is it that version 10.10 is supported untill 2012 and 10.04 till 2013? [17:26] Because 10.04 is an LTS [17:26] Long Term Support release [17:26] I figured, but it does not make that much sence. [17:26] What if an newer version is released by that time, wouldn't it be better to use that one instead of 10.04? [17:27] Those who run businesses and servers would prefer not to use the latest thing [17:27] Ask charlie [17:28] Sometimes latest does not mean most stable, fewer bugs, less crashes... [17:28] I was thinking they would have removed bugs and such before releasing. [17:28] and we would not have any new ones, either? [17:29] Pardon? [17:30] what about any new bugs introduced by version upgrades? [17:30] You would think they have some kind of beta testing team or something [17:30] fixing bugs we know about does happen, but that does not mean there will not be completely new issues. [17:31] Testing team will never have all the hardware out there, nor will they know every application you use [17:31] True [17:31] Then the chances of them catching every bug is much lower, is it not? [17:31] Indeed [17:32] There are thousands of applictions. There will be bugs. [17:32] Something can never be perfect. [17:32] Too bad. [17:32] correct, but those who need stable software are not interested in being the first to report the bugs [17:33] Indeed [17:33] they will use the LTS versions, and upgrade every two to three years instead of every six months [17:33] So, what would you advice me? 10.10 or 1.04, I will be using the computer not that often [17:36] 10.10 download will be finished within 4 minutes [17:36] 10.10 is good [17:37] I am running 10.10 on my other desktop(updated from 10.04) and I have not run into any problems so far [17:38] However, this desktop has 512mb ram, therefore I chose xubuntu [17:42] ok... so... wierd things afoot... now my desktop is gone [17:42] What version are you using Matty? [17:42] lucid [17:43] i just tried a procedure to get my bcom wireless card working and when i rebooted... wierdness [17:43] the computer boots to xdm or gdm or whatever and i can enter my pw [17:44] then it goes to a desktop that is just the wallpaper and the program orage is running [17:44] No menu? [17:44] i can alt-f2 and enter commands, but the environment is gone [17:44] nope... no panels either [17:44] Weird [17:44] yup [17:45] is there a command i can enter in a terminal to start up the desktop? [17:45] i can get xterm running from alt-f2 [17:47] Have you tried xfce4-panel? [17:48] ok... i got a panel... [17:48] What's on it? [17:49] mouse menue... running programs (xterm)... sys tray... etc... [17:49] Excellent [17:49] i also have an icon that looks like a gear that says "a package manager is working" when i hover over it [17:49] Did you start it from the terminal? [17:49] yes... from xterm [17:49] Close xterm [17:50] panel is gone [17:50] Can you run commands without xterm? [17:50] yes... if i alt-f2 [17:50] Okay. alt-f2 and then run xfce4-panel directly [17:50] did that... panel is back [17:51] Is there a shutdown icon on the panel? [17:51] little green running man? [17:51] Yes [17:51] yes [17:51] Click on that and tick "remember last session" [17:52] the only option is... "Exit Xfce Panel?" [17:52] then cancel or quit [17:52] Ah [17:52] Sounds like xfce4 session isn't running [17:52] Or Xubuntu session [17:52] i logged in in xfce mode... not xubuntu... [17:53] Try logging in in Xubuntu mode [17:53] k... [17:54] same thing... orage preferences is open and orage is running... but nothing else [17:54] no session manager, i guess [17:55] How did you do that without logging out of irc? :/ [17:55] different computer LOL [17:55] Ah [17:55] That easy :p [17:55] I have to go eat dinner [17:55] BBL [17:56] Matty75: to run the panels and keep them, use Alt+F2, xfce4-panel & [17:56] the & on the end means keep it running when the terminal run app closes [18:00] charlie... i think when i rebooted after installing the bcom drivers, i must have checked the "save for future sessions" box and it got confused... [18:01] i logged out and back in and my panels are here and i have been able to log into my wireless network!! [18:01] good job [18:02] i am now running update manager and installing 296 updates [18:02] 10.04? [18:02] now... on to tackling my nvidia geforce card... [18:02] yes... 10.04 [18:02] let those finish first now [18:02] of course [18:03] We are building a new cd for 10.04.2, so you won't have to do so many updates [18:03] That should be out in about two weeks [18:04] i had a full install of ubuntu maverick running on that machine but it was soooo slow i decided to try xubuntu instead [18:04] yeah, xubuntu should be about 30% lighter on resources [18:05] but i read that there was no support for nvidia-173 on old cards in the new versionof xorg in maverick so i went to lucid [18:06] !info nvidia-173 [18:06] nvidia-173 (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-173): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 173.14.28-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 10405 kB, installed size 32204 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia) [18:06] it's back now, after all the updates get in [18:07] oh... well i am ok with having the lts release on that machine :) [18:07] gotta run... my 5 month old is hungry :) [18:07] have fun [18:07] thanks for ur help [18:07] You are welcome [18:08] so, charlie [18:08] you are an xubuntu developer? [18:09] no, I am the Xubuntu Project Lead [18:09] I feel honored ^^ [18:10] There are many of us here, we just try to help out when we can [18:12] You will never see bill gates give support for windows. [18:12] That's why I like in linux :) [18:15] I'm off for diner. [18:15] Bye [18:19] hi [18:19] which are the minimal requeriments to use the last stable version of xubuntu? [18:21] absolute minimum for 10.10? [18:22] 256MB ram, run one app at time, slowly. PII or PIII processor at 400MHz, run slowly [18:23] charlie-tca, whic a p3 1000Mhz with 256 MB RAM? [18:24] now is using lubuntu 10.10 or 10.04 correctly [18:24] I can open 2-e windows at the same time [18:27] 256MB ram will run slow, 10.10 or 10.04 [18:28] Lubuntu does use about 30% fewer resources than Xubuntu, so with 256MB, it might be better [18:29] charlie-tca, so xubuntu needs more requeriments to run? [18:29] yes [18:30] Not much more, but, Lubuntu will will run with less ram that Xubuntu [18:30] and with 512MB ? [18:31] ;] [18:31] Xubuntu needs 512MB ram to give good performance [18:31] charlie-tca, so i'm goind to try with puppy linux [18:31] okay [18:31] my hardware [18:32] athlon xp 2200+ , 512MB + 128MB [18:32] That should work very well [18:32] motherboard pc chips m810dlu [18:33] my problem is the ram [18:33] aitiba: yes, agreed. It will work, but will be slow [18:33] heh, faster than my 400MHz with 256MB ram, though [18:33] aitiba; replace xfwm4 to openbox [18:34] i need a normal experience [18:34] why have a pc that goes slow? [18:34] because it happens to be what you have? [18:35] but why go slow if I can use the pc with lubntu that use openbox [18:36] Let's see if I can install Xubuntu :D [18:36] xubuntu \o/ [18:37] charlie-tca; xubuntu 11.04 is more ligth? [18:37] not yet [18:38] it is the development version, first we get it to work, then we worry about trying to lighten up [18:38] ;] [18:39] There is an 11.04? :o [18:39] Talking about bleeding edge. [18:39] Not yet. The next release will be 11.04, but it is known as Natty Narwhal right now [18:40] It does have Xfce 4.8 in it, though [18:41] It looks to me. [18:41] That the names are made with an online nickname generator ^^ [18:41] Like, random thing + animal [18:41] nope [18:42] kk [18:42] You have lots of fantasy then ^^ [18:42] The names are personally selected by Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of Ubuntu and it's parent company, Canonical [18:43] You are correct, though. They really are "adjective" + animal [18:43] :) My dad just said that Canonical sounds like the Chronicals of Narnia [18:44] heh [18:44] ;] [18:46] Xubuntu has an awesome logo. [18:46] What animal is that? [18:50] mouse [18:53] charlie-tca, thanks [18:53] You are welcome [19:36] Guys [19:36] I would just like to say [19:36] That I might like xubuntu over the normal ubuntu ._. === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [19:41] Dwarf2000: i do too :) [19:41] It looks way better :) [19:59] Ohdear. [20:00] There we go. [20:00] I selected an theme, from the control center'ish program [20:00] Now it logged me out [20:00] Whenever I try to log in it goes to black screen with blinking _ [20:00] then goes to login screeen [20:00] What to do? [20:00] Ctrl+Alt+F2 [20:00] login [20:01] cd .cache [20:01] delete it with rm -r ~/.cache/* [20:01] happens more often? [20:02] then go cd ~/.config [20:03] Yes [20:03] delete the session settings using rm -r ~/.config/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml [20:04] then never select wildbrush or wild* themes again [20:05] no such file or directory... [20:05] it's fixed in 4.8, by the way. It took the developers a long time to figure out what went wrong [20:06] which one ? [20:06] rm -r ~/.config/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml [20:07] that's because something. [20:07] delete the session settings using rm -r ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml [20:07] try that one [20:08] now you restart; ctrl+alt+del works at this screen, without saving anything we don't want [20:09] Rebooting... [20:10] worked :D [20:11] and never select that wild* theme again, right? [20:11] Any way to update to 4.8 from within 10.10? [20:11] Yessir [20:11] not officially [20:11] If you do, we can't support it [20:11] Or I'll just not select that theme :) [20:11] Why is it in there if it does that, anyway? [20:12] It took the developers a very long time to find why it does that. It was a difficult bug for them to reproduce, for some reason. [20:15] oh, and because of the way Xfce is built, it is not trivial to remove from themes [20:16] Okay [20:16] How does one edit the menu? [20:18] Also, do you take suggestions? [20:19] Because it looks to me that if you select an screensaver that is not installed and press preview, and error is thrown. [20:19] no editor [20:20] yes, we take suggestions [20:25] Well, the above about the screensaver. Perhaps disable the preview button if the screensaver is not installed. [20:26] That's a good suggestion [20:26] Because else it'll display an error [20:26] Let's see if I can get VLC :D [21:18] Well [21:18] Back again, this time on Xubuntu D: [21:18] However, I got no sound. [21:19] worked on ubuntu? [21:27] I have not tried ubuntu on this system [21:27] I am running xubuntu as I only have 512mb ram [21:28] check everything unmuted, if you have possibility of two soundcards, install pavucontrol [21:30] As in... [21:30] "select controls" then select all, then check if any muted? [21:31] yup [21:31] worked :D [21:31] :) [21:31] Thanks a bunch [21:32] Now to see which is the one I am using :D [21:34] Oh it's an whole bunch of them. [21:55] hello people [21:55] i disabled wireless and now i cant enable it [21:55] nowhere to click [21:55] any command? [21:56] should be able to do it from same place you took it off [21:56] enable networking and then wireless [21:57] ya but i dont have icon in taskbar [21:57] hm [21:58] it's weird :P [22:02] ..ran? alt+f2 'nm-applet' [22:14] yeap [22:14] its enablerd but i dont see any icon [22:15] s noone [22:15] no command for it? [22:19] nm-applet === jwkokc is now known as jk_ [23:11] how do I open the network settings? [23:13] I believe there is no GUI for that [23:14] so I can't connect to networks? [23:14] But do not believe what I say, I have been using xubuntu for a couple of hours now. [23:14] ofcourse there is a gui to connect to networks [23:14] In the upper right corner [23:14] Next to the time [23:14] ir crashed [23:15] I need to know its name [23:15] One second. [23:16] nm-applet [23:16] doh, it wont start [23:16] sudo nm-applet? [23:18] looking [23:18] If you run it in an terminal, does it give an error? [23:19] debug old state indicates that this was not a disonnect 0 [23:21] should be network-manager-applet [23:21] Alt+F2, network-manager-applet [23:23] dont have it [23:24] !info network-manager-applet [23:24] Package network-manager-applet does not exist in maverick [23:24] Auch. [23:24] !find network-manager-applet [23:24] File network-manager-applet found in network-manager [23:24] heh [23:24] remove and reinstall network-manager [23:25] without internet? [23:25] yeah, that'll work [23:25] well, that makes it harder, huh? [23:25] xD [23:25] yep, if I remove it it is gone [23:25] all i need is to connect eth0 [23:25] Wait [23:26] You cannot connect to eth0? [23:26] How is that even possible :/ [23:26] lolcat: do you have the network applet in the top panel? [23:26] Nope, but i rebooted internet now [23:26] err [23:26]