[00:16] <annunaki> oO
[00:17] <annunaki> someone in the us ?
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[00:20] <horus> ello
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[00:20] <sagaci> natty lite
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[00:21] <fox-mulder> try alt+F2
[00:25] <fox-mulder> how secure is ubuntu against hackers these days?
[00:26] <fox-mulder> any one?
[00:26] <fox-mulder> how secure is ubuntu against hackers these days?
[00:28] <penguin42> depends really; it has apparmor for some stuff, but not much
[00:29] <penguin42> it has various other stuff enabled, so yeh it has some defences
[00:33] <charlie-tca> hm, as installed it has no ports open, it should be safe until you launch the browser or updates?
[00:41] <^Mike> How can I see what version of Perl will be in the upcoming release?
[00:41] <Daekdroom> !find perl
[00:41] <ubottu> Found: eperl, libalgorithm-c3-perl, libalgorithm-diff-perl, libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl, libalgorithm-merge-perl, libapache2-mod-perl2, libapache2-mod-perl2-dev, libapache2-mod-perl2-doc, libapache2-reload-perl, libapparmor-perl (and 2350 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=perl&searchon=names&suite=natty&section=all
[00:42] <Daekdroom> !info eperl
[00:42] <ubottu> eperl (source: eperl): Embedded Perl 5 Language. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.14-16 (natty), package size 130 kB, installed size 464 kB
[00:42] <rww> !info perl
[00:42] <ubottu> perl (source: perl): Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language. In component main, is standard. Version 5.10.1-17ubuntu1 (natty), package size 3661 kB, installed size 13280 kB
[00:42] <^Mike> bah
[00:42] <^Mike> that'll be EOL :(
[00:42] <penguin42> ^Mike: You can also check pacakges.ubuntu.com
[00:42] <^Mike> thanks all the same
[00:42] <Daekdroom> packages.ubuntu.com , he means
[00:43] <penguin42> I do
[00:52] <dupondje> sad :(
[00:52] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/290177
[00:52] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 290177 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "[huawei/option] NM 0.7: GSM connections won't work with PIN code protected modems - despite having supplied the correct PIN for the connection in nm-connection-editor" [Medium,Triaged]
[00:52] <dupondje> this bug still exist :(
[01:05] <BUGabundo> can someone pastebin theirs: $ dpkg -l | grep libnotif
[01:11] <cpatrick08> kubuntu 11.04 alpha 2 install problems http://pastebin.com/EpZithAW
[01:12] <Daekdroom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563250/ BUGabundo
[01:12] <sebsebseb> Hi
[01:13] <sebsebseb> Who's here?
[01:13] <gunndawg> I am
[01:14] <BUGabundo> thanks Daekdroom
[01:14] <sebsebseb> right so
[01:14] <sebsebseb> the alpha 2 page
[01:14] <BUGabundo> your package match mine
[01:14] <BUGabundo> but mine don't work as expected
[01:15] <BUGabundo> I've got the old ones,
[01:15] <gunndawg> BUGabundo, well it is "ALPHA" so things are expected to not work
[01:15] <BUGabundo> duh
[01:15] <sebsebseb> seems to say that Unity won't work with Nivida or ATI drivers at the moment,  what about in Virtualbox if normally a host distro would need the propritary driver?
[01:15] <sebsebseb> also how would it be set up in Virtualbox anyway,  just install like normal, and change the  vm settings or?
[01:16] <sebsebseb> and I know need Virtualbox 4.0 or later for it in a vm
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[01:21] <NoelJB> Does anyone have the Desktop Cube still working with Natty?  Classic, not Unity.  For me it has ceased working.
[01:22] <NoelJB> I've reinstalled compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, disabled and renabled the necessary plugins (in case something had gone awry during updates), but still no.
[01:24] <Daekdroom> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[01:24] <ubottu> compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (source: compiz-fusion-plugins-extra): Collection of extra plugins from OpenCompositing for Compiz. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.2.1-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 2300 kB, installed size 5856 kB
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[01:29] <fox-mulder> hi all
[01:29] <fox-mulder> still got xfiles for sale
[01:30] <alex_mayorga> Does "Power Management Preferences" work for you? The window it's invisible here :(
[01:30] <NoelJB> yes, alex_mayorga, I just checked.
[01:31] <alex_mayorga> NoelJB: yes it works, or yes is invisible?
[01:32] <NoelJB> yes it works
[01:32] <fox-mulder> is there a way to save the irc server and channels so i dont loose it after reboot?
[01:33] <fox-mulder> is there a way to save the irc server and channels so i dont loose it after reboot?
[01:33] <yofel> depending on the client you can set what to auto join on start
[01:33] <yofel> or quassel for example will just restore the previous session
[01:33] <alex_mayorga> NoelJB: what's the command for it power management?
[01:34] <NoelJB> alex_mayorga, I ran it off the menu, but I can check ...
[01:34] <alex_mayorga> I also got an "Untitled window"
[01:34] <NoelJB> alex_mayorga, gnome-power-preferences
[01:35] <NoelJB> Amaranth, you here?
[01:36] <Amaranth> NoelJB: ?
[01:36] <NoelJB> Amaranth, do I recall correctly that you work on compiz?
[01:36] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Yeah
[01:37] <NoelJB> Amaranth, just checking ... but with natty (Lucid and Mav are fine), the desktop cube appears to no longer function.  I am *not* using Unity, with which I know it is not supposed to work.
[01:37] <NoelJB> Amaranth, is this expected, or should I file a bug report?
[01:38] <Amaranth> NoelJB: I dunno, I thought I already deleted cube gears
[01:38] <Amaranth> NoelJB: You can certainly file a bug but unless someone else fixes it soon by 11.10 it just won't be there anymore
[01:39] <NoelJB> when I open CCSM, I see Desktop Cube, Rotate Cube, and 3d Windows enabled.  I see Cube Gears, but it is disabled.
[01:40] <NoelJB> Desktop cube is going away entirely?  From the bug report on Unity, it seemed to be an open question.
[01:43] <Amaranth> NoelJB: No, cube isn't going away, cube gears
[01:43] <NoelJB> Amaranth, I don't care about cube gears.  I care about the cube not rotating for me at all in Natty.  :-)
[01:44] <NoelJB> Not sure why you thought I meant cube gears.
[01:44] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Probably because I've been drinking
[01:44] <NoelJB> Amaranth, :-)
[01:45] <alex_mayorga> any idea how to kill that "Untitled window"?
[01:45] <NoelJB> Amaranth, any thoughts on where I should look, or just file a bug report?
[01:45] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Definitely file a bug report
[01:45] <Amaranth> NoelJB: I'll poke smspillaz about it
[01:45] <NoelJB> Amaranth, against compiz or compiz-fusion-plugins-extra?
[01:46] <Amaranth> NoelJB: compiz
[01:46] <Amaranth> NoelJB: cube and rotate are both in compiz itself
[01:47] <NoelJB> Amaranth, OK.  Another data point.  When I hit CTRL-ALT-[LEFT|RIGHT] I get a narrow strip pop-up, not even rotating there.  Does that tell us anything?
[01:47] <Amaranth> NoelJB: That sounds like wall is still enabled
[01:47] <Amaranth> NoelJB: smspillaz says to disable cube and rotate and enable them again
[01:47] <Amaranth> and make sure wall is disabled
[01:48] <NoelJB> wall is disabled according to CCSM
[01:48] <NoelJB> And I did what he suggested.
[01:49] <NoelJB> Amaranth, as noted way above in the scroll, "I've reinstalled compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, disabled and renabled the necessary plugins (in case something had gone awry during updates), but still no"
[01:49] <NoelJB> I enabled Wall, which disabled Cube and the others, then Enabled Cube, which said it disabled Wall, and then enabled the other plugins.
[01:51] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Make sure you include all of that info (and try to get a screenshot of the popup) in the bug report
[01:56] <NoelJB> Amaranth, bug 713892
[01:56] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 713892 in compiz (Ubuntu) "[natty] Desktop Cube no longer working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713892
[01:57] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Thanks, hopefully sam can figure it out
[01:59] <NoelJB> Amaranth, just post whatever follow-up you need from me.  :-0
[01:59] <NoelJB> Amaranth, where is the compiz config stored?  I don't see that in the list of attached files.  Would you want to added?
[02:01] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It's the GconfCompiz.txt
[02:01] <NoelJB> Amaranth, does this look odd to you?
[02:01] <NoelJB> $  ls -ld .gconf/apps/compiz*
[02:01] <NoelJB> drwx------ 3 noel noel 4096 2010-06-16 18:14 .gconf/apps/compiz
[02:01] <NoelJB> drwx------ 3 noel noel 4096 2011-02-05 18:55 .gconf/apps/compiz-1
[02:01] <NoelJB> drwx------ 3 noel noel 4096 2011-02-05 18:55 .gconf/apps/compizconfig-1
[02:01] <Amaranth> No, it looks like you upgraded from maverick
[02:01] <NoelJB> Amaranth, yes
[02:02] <Amaranth> compiz 0.8 used /apps/compiz, 0.9 uses /apps/compiz-1
[02:02] <Amaranth> I have no idea why, they aren't parallel installable
[02:02] <NoelJB> Amaranth, should I delete apps/compiz?
[02:02] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It doesn't hurt anything
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[02:03] <NoelJB> Amaranth, ok.  just checking in case that could cause a problem, e.g., ccsm and compiz looking at different sets of settings.
[02:04] <Amaranth> NoelJB: They both use libcompizconfig to look at the settings so if one was wrong they both would be
[02:05] <NoelJB> Amaranth, GconfCompiz.txt is not an attached file on the bug report.
[02:05] <Amaranth> weird
[02:05] <NoelJB> ubuntu-bug compiz was how I filed it.
[02:06] <NoelJB> Amaranth, how can I generate it for you manually?
[02:07] <Amaranth> NoelJB: gconftool --dump /apps/compiz-1 > GconfCompiz.xml
[02:07] <Amaranth> That doesn't do the same output as apport gets but I forget how it does it
[02:08] <NoelJB> Amaranth, what is the compizconfig-1, if compiz-1 is the config?
[02:08] <Amaranth> NoelJB: config about the config
[02:08] <Amaranth> It's very meta
[02:09] <NoelJB> Amaranth, done and attached to the report.
[03:43] <YankeesFan> !ops
[03:43] <ubottu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, jpds, gnomefreak, bazhang, jussi, Flannel, ikonia, maco, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, bilalakhtar, Jordan_U, or rww!
[03:43] <YankeesFan> !staff
[03:43] <ubottu> hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :)
[03:47] <sebsebseb> Amaranth: Well I guess that's one way to get banned
[03:47] <Amaranth> sebsebseb: He is doing that everywhere :/
[03:47] <sebsebseb> oh
[03:48] <sebsebseb> Amaranth: a high light troll I guess then
[03:48] <Amaranth> Pretty much, spewing crap about windows 7
[03:48] <Amaranth> Making my Yankees look bad too
[03:49] <sebsebseb> oh I guess you mean in #ubuntu or something, I am not in there right now
[04:37] <bjsnider> Amaranth, what's wrong with spewing crap about windows 7?
[04:38] <bjsnider> someone has to spew something about it
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[05:45] <frewsxcv> i think i found the problem. /dev/sda3: end: 59586 --- /dev/sda4 start: 59586
[05:45] <frewsxcv> s/the/a/
[05:46] <frewsxcv> would this be a problem? i'm getting the error: "FATAL ERROR: bad primary partition 3: partition ends in the  final partial cylinder
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[06:21] <galamar> hey i get this error while trying to upgrade          Error authenticating some packages
[06:21] <galamar> It was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below for a list of unauthenticated packages.                     how can i authenticate these
[06:22] <galamar> thats update not upgrade my bad
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[07:28] <akshat> does unity work with nouveau drivers?
[07:28] <akshat> the blob is not working :(
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[12:35] <penguin42> hmph exaile seems to have broken
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[13:34] <scotty^> Is anybody else unable to boot Natty alpha 2?
[13:35] <scotty^> I'm using the 32 bit version, but that probably doesn't matter?
[13:41] <penguin42> scotty^: In what way does it fail to boot?
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[13:44] <lamefun> is Unity based on Compiz 0.8 or 0.9?
[13:44] <Daekdroom> lamefun, 0.9
[13:51] <scotty^> My monitor has bad EDID.  It's always been a bit hit and miss booting or logging in on both Lucid and Maverick.  Booting with the monitor powered off helps but is still not 100% reliable.  And changing to a different resolution after logging in is a bit hit and miss too, particularly on Maverick.  Often causes a crash.  But I don't think that is what is happening here as the crash occurs much earlier in the boot process.
[13:52] <scotty^> And I caught some rapidly scrolling msg about sys\devices\pci......\usb....... on repeated boot attempts
[13:52] <scotty^> Removing my USB flash drive and then booting Natty with the monitor powered off and waiting for a long time and then powering on the monitor showed a different set of kernel messages, with the last one being about kernel thread helper.  Then it was just stuck - I couldn't even CTRL-ALT-DEL, which did work on during the rapidly scrolling msg about sys\devices\pci......\usb.......
[13:54] <scotty^> Someone in #ubuntu-au has said that it is probably bug 712082 - I'm checking that now.
[13:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 712082 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "Random kernel panic during boot on a Dell Inspiron 1520" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712082
[14:12] <penguin42> looks vaguely SATA related
[14:14] <penguin42> (s)ata that is
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[14:40] <lamefun> will window resize border fix backported to Maverick?
[15:06] <penguin42> anyone else seeing strangely 0 length /var/log/messages?
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[15:45] <coz_> hey all
[16:00] <penguin42> hey
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[16:24] <penguin42> cana nyone else install xserver-xorg-video-qxl?
[17:10] <Pici> Hrm.  anyone having issues where it seems like gnome-terminal stops accepting input?
[17:13] <penguin42> no, fine for me
[17:44] <greenIT> hi, i have a problem with unity in natty.... it doesn't work anymore :S
[17:46] <greenIT> can anyone help me?
[17:47] <penguin42> greenIT: out of slight interest which way doesn't it work?
[17:48] <greenIT> well, it doesn't even start when i boot natty....
[17:48] <greenIT> there is the normal, old menu, but no unity
[17:48] <greenIT> can i activate it anyhow?
[17:49] <penguin42> do you have Ubuntu Desktop selected or Classic Desktop?
[17:49] <greenIT> erm... where can i select this?
[17:49] <greenIT> change this*
[17:51] <penguin42> when you select your name on the login screen, before typing your password, at the bottom is a selection
[17:51] <greenIT> ah, k
[17:52] <greenIT> probably not that good that i have autologin^^
[17:53] <greenIT> ok, i have selected "Ubuntu-Desktop-Edition", but still no unity...
[17:53] <penguin42> what graphics card?
[17:54] <greenIT> ati, but i have natty installed in a vbox with vboxtools installed
[17:55] <penguin42> I wonder if it's not picking up the 3d acceleration; I don't know what the story with vbox is on that
[17:57] <trinikrono> beware the ati card :D
[17:57] <greenIT> ^^
[17:57]  * penguin42 pats his tame ATI card
[17:57] <greenIT> where are the preferences for 3d acceleration in natty?
[17:59] <gpc> I saw someone mention you needed Vbox 4.0 for 3d
[17:59] <gpc> I could be completely wrong
[17:59] <greenIT> i have vbox 4.0.2^^
[17:59] <gpc> hmm.
[17:59] <greenIT> unity alrdy worked, but it doesnt anymore^^
[17:59] <gpc> really have no idea sorry
[18:00] <greenIT> np, thx 4 trying to help :)
[18:04] <greenIT> lol, i know why unity doesn't work anymore:
[18:04] <greenIT> Warning: unsupported pre-release version of X.Org Server installed. Not installing the X.Org drivers.
[18:07] <BUGabundo> yo
[18:08] <lazarus_> hmm import a downloaded backup but i would need the script to interact with ubuntu one
[18:08] <lazarus_> any help
[18:25] <kancerman> on natty: my window manager completely stopped -- reboot and on any desktop option it doesn't work anymore ... within the last hour or so it completely stopped ... is there a way to restart it while the desktop is running ... ??
[18:53] <mikerhinos> hi all , just installed alpha2 this morning , and i can't have the Unity desktop :s tried several options when at login window (normal desktop, netbook desktop etc...) but i always end with gnome , unity packets are installed so i don't understand , is it a command like "unity -replace" ?
[18:56] <charlie-tca> no, it is a matter of waiting for the correct drivers to become compatible with Xserver
[18:56] <nit-wit> Do you get any notice of not able to run in 3d?
[18:59] <mikerhinos> when i go to the proprietary driver search , i have the choice between "Nvidia Binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library" and "Experimental 3D support for Nvidia cards"
[18:59] <mikerhinos> i upgraded from my maverick installation , i was on Nouveau driver
[19:00] <Daekdroom> You're on noveau driver as well.
[19:00] <Daekdroom> The thing is, if you install nvidia binary driver, you're gonna end up with a broken system, mostly likely
[19:02] <mikerhinos> so i have to do a "clean" install from a cd ? I have a separate /home so i don't think i'll have problems doing that
[19:04] <Daekdroom> mikerhinos, the best you can do is wait for the nvidia driver to be update and stick with classic gnome for now
[19:06] <mikerhinos> ok thanks for the advice , i'll stick with that solution as i don't want to end up with a broken desktop manager lol
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[21:16] <BreetaiZentradi> When I run natty-alpha-2 from a USB stick, instead of 1 large "desktop" on my screen, I have a band of 3 rows of screens and on each row, I have a complete screen and a partial screen. I am running on an acer laptop with an nvidia card. Any idea on how to boot around this problem?
[21:28] <Severian> Howdy.  I installed using the alternate installer of Alpha-2.  After booting, I get a grub menu, and then get dumped to an initramfs prompt.  I have been looking for some info on what to do next, but have not found anything.  Can someone suggest something?
[21:48] <hk4l> Hello
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> hi guys
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> am I alone with the  Unity flakiness?
[22:20] <Severian> I guess so.  I can't even get Natty to install, so I see no Unity problems.
[22:20] <Daekdroom> ActionParsnip, Flakiness?
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: just randomly crashes, also keyboard/mouse input stops randomly   otherwise we're perfect
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> its a super fresh install, I'm gonna give it a little while
[22:21] <Daekdroom> The random crashes aren't that random here. They only happen when I mess up with compiz configuration.
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: yeah saw, also try launching libreoffice. Makesmy input stop
[22:22] <Daekdroom> I'm not using Unity as of right now.
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> no worries, still digging around some
[22:24] <Daekdroom> It's worth noting that using unity --replace in a gnome session mix up stuff
[22:24] <Daekdroom> and no, libreoffice didnt freeze input in here.
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