[00:00] <seidos> i am pretty sure there is an easier way that compiling from source...
[00:00] <seidos> but probably not as fun!
[00:00] <xyclo> no problem compiling from source
[00:00]  * jmarsden thinks... is recommending compiling kernels from source in #ubuntu-beginners really the right thing to do? :)
[00:01] <xyclo> given nice instructions :^)
[00:01] <MrChrisDruif> xyclo: Did you search for linux-lowlatency?
[00:01] <xyclo> yep
[00:01] <xyclo> All points to abogani
[00:01] <xyclo> but the reposit only shows the rt kernel
[00:01] <MrChrisDruif> And it didn't return something after you added the ppa?
[00:01] <xyclo> I did try it and works great for audio!
[00:01] <xyclo> BUT
[00:02] <xyclo> Skype keeps crashing
[00:02] <xyclo> I need Skype
[00:02] <xyclo> oh, and Firefox audio kept crashing too!
[00:04] <xyclo> Hey, I'll read what's on lowlatency.linuxaudio.org and see if there is an easy solution... I'll let you know how it went.
[00:04] <xyclo> Thx for all help!
[00:05] <seidos> jmarsden: let's talk about it in #ubuntu-beginners-team ^_^
[00:06] <jmarsden> seidos: OK... but not right now... back soon...
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> xyclo: Your welcome...
[00:55] <gunndawg> guess whos back, back again
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> I think gunndawg?
[00:57] <gunndawg> yes :)
[00:59] <MrChrisDruif> Welcome back gunndawg :D
[00:59] <gunndawg> lol thx MrChrisDruif whats goin on today?!
[01:00] <MrChrisDruif> Someone suggested in this channel to someone else to compile a kernel from source :)
[01:03] <MrChrisDruif> And in real life I'm recovering from last night's party :P
[01:03] <MrChrisDruif> Just a bit hangover...nothing to serious
[01:05] <MrChrisDruif> Other then that it's quiet
[01:05] <MrChrisDruif> Will be off to bed in a few minutes
[01:18] <casey> How do you install compiz?
[01:19] <casey> on ubuntu gnome
[01:20] <holstein> hey casey
[01:20] <holstein> you should just have it
[01:20] <holstein> probably an issue of getting the proper drivers
[01:20] <holstein> assuming your hardware is compiz capable
[01:21] <holstein> you can check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[01:21] <holstein> and check back if you have questions :)
[01:21] <seidos> casey: holstein is right.  he's a bright dude.  you can try enabling it in system->preferences->appearance->effects
[01:21] <jmarsden> casey: You can do    dpkg -l compiz    to check whether it is already installed
[01:23] <casey> no packages found
[01:24] <seidos> casey: sudo apt-get install compiz?  what version of ubuntu?
[01:25] <casey> strange... the software says it's installed
[01:25] <casey> UNR 10.10
[01:25] <gunndawg> casey, did you install something that might use compiz, and so it already installed it
[01:25] <gunndawg> like Ubuntu Tweak (which i heard to stay away from
[01:25] <casey> I tried to install it, using the software center
[01:26] <casey> got ccsm installed, but still no 3d cube
[01:26] <gunndawg> 3D cube is over rated ;)
[01:27] <casey> I ran compiz --replace, the desktop flashes a few times and then I'm back at the desktop with no apparent changes
[01:30] <gunndawg> not sure, I dont use 3D Cube as I have no reason to
[01:30] <gunndawg> would rather save the system resources for something else
[01:32] <casey> well... great! Now how am I supposed to impress people looking at my screen?
[01:33] <casey> So how do you uninstall apps? like compiz
[01:34] <seidos> does UNR 10.10 come with Unity, casey ?
[01:34] <gunndawg> seidos, hey there, didnt see you sneak in
[01:34] <jmarsden> casey: You can uninstall apps using sudo apt-get remove PACKAGENAME     or use one of several GUI package managers such as Synaptic
[01:35] <seidos> i think it does, and from what i've read, Unity doesn't support compiz yet.
[01:36] <holstein> seidos is a brite d00d too :)
[01:36] <gunndawg> holstein, some times ;)
[01:36] <holstein> gunndawg: hehe
[01:36] <seidos> gunndawg: never
[01:37] <gunndawg> holstein, did I show you my finally finished GUI Python app ?
[01:37] <holstein> gunndawg: do share
[01:37] <gunndawg> I made a front-end for Apt-
[01:37] <gunndawg> lemme upload some screenshots
[01:39] <gunndawg> holstein, http://min.us/mvbxe7k  3 screenshots tehre
[01:39] <holstein> HEY
[01:39] <holstein> i used to use that wallpapper
[01:39] <holstein> i used to use that wallpaper*
[01:40] <holstein> thats from someone at #ubuntu-uk right?
[01:40] <gunndawg> who ?
[01:40] <gunndawg> my program or the wallpaper ?
[01:40] <holstein> wallpaper*
[01:40] <holstein> gunndawg: i like the GUI :)
[01:41] <gunndawg> holstein,  thx, its a front-end to Apt
[01:41] <seidos> wouldn't it be cool if sabdfl wandered around pretending to be other people?
[01:41] <gunndawg> holstein, pretty simple lil tool
[01:42] <jmarsden> seidos: Identity theft is identity theft, no matter who does it :)
[01:42] <seidos> jmarsden: haha.  pedantism \o/  i think i just made a new word
[01:43] <jmarsden> jmarsden: pedantry is the existing word that you are seeking, perhaps? :)
[01:43] <gunndawg> seidos, more words are created on the internet every day then viruses, and thats a lo!
[01:43] <gunndawg> lot*
[01:43] <seidos> jmarsden: no.  isms have negative connotation
[01:44] <seidos> pedantry should be deprecated for "precision"
[01:44] <seidos> or "skill"
[01:44] <seidos> and pedantism for social awkwardness
[01:44] <seidos> just saying!
[01:46]  * jmarsden thinks discussing language use may be off topic in #ubuntu-beginners :)
[01:46] <casey> How do you guys feel about powertop? Should I follow the suggestions
[01:47] <gunndawg> I am hoping in 11.04 my mic will work, I hate not having one that works!
[01:49] <seidos> i don't have any feelings for powertop.  i use top though
[01:50] <jmarsden> casey: If you need extra battery life, following powertops ideas can help.  But you may want to be sure you understand them before implementing them.  Just in case they do things to your machine that you don't expect.
[02:03] <far_> perl warning locale setting
[02:03] <gunndawg> is that a question ?
[02:03] <far_> yes that what it is
[02:04] <gunndawg> ok
[02:04] <gunndawg> do this
[02:04] <gunndawg> open terminal
[02:04] <far_> i cant install or upgrade any thing
[02:04] <gunndawg> type sudo locale-gen
[02:04] <gunndawg> then sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:04] <far_> ok
[02:04] <gunndawg> try that
[02:06] <far_> it sat chata map dir/usr/share/i18n no such file
[02:07] <gunndawg> try to google your problem, I just did and it came up with some ways to fix it
[02:08] <gunndawg> far_, do not message me in private without asking please
[02:08] <gunndawg> use the chat room
[02:08] <far_> good bye
[02:09] <gunndawg> bye
[02:19] <multiHYP> hi
[02:19] <multiHYP> where is the file that is preloading my terminals with certain environment variables?
[02:22] <holstein> hey multiHYP
[02:22] <holstein> what are you thinking about in particular?
[02:22] <multiHYP> like a .profile or .bashrc file
[02:23] <holstein> the way i 'theme' the terminal
[02:23] <multiHYP> that has all the environment variables for the logged in user
[02:23] <holstein> i right-click
[02:23] <holstein> and go to 'profiles'
[02:23] <holstein> and to 'profile preferences'
[02:24] <multiHYP> oh i don't have gui access to that machine right now, do you know where that file is potentially saved?
[02:24] <holstein> good question
[02:24] <multiHYP> i mean i am just sshed into its terminal
[02:24] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=663628
[02:25] <holstein> There are xml folders in /home/username/.gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/profiles with all the settings for the default gnome-terminal. I imagine if you create a profile it would be stored here as well. The xml files have background, theme, color etc info.
[02:25] <holstein> i think that is what we are looking for multiHYP ^^
[02:25] <multiHYP> awe awesome
[02:26] <holstein> :)
[02:26] <multiHYP> i went so far as .gconf, but then stopped
[02:26] <holstein> There are xml folders in /home/username/.gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/profiles with all the settings for the default gnome-terminal. I imagine if you create a profile it would be stored here as well. The xml files have background, theme, color etc info.
[02:26] <holstein> sorry
[02:26] <holstein> about that extra paste ;)
[02:26] <holstein> i gotta differnt mouse that does that somehow
[02:26] <multiHYP> ok thanks holstein
[02:27] <holstein> multiHYP: i went as far as right-clicking on the terminal window ;)
[02:27] <multiHYP> actually someone else is telling me in another ubuntu channel that the file is ~/.profile
[02:27] <holstein> so you're doing better that me
[02:27] <multiHYP> no i just ask too many people :D
[02:27] <multiHYP> thanks though
[02:28] <holstein> well, you got options
[02:28] <holstein> maybe that got moved around from 8.04 to 10.04 or whatever
[02:28] <multiHYP> but the thing is under mac os x i did the same thing, however ended up doing something completely different
[02:29] <multiHYP> maybe because it was mac and not linux, but still
[02:29] <multiHYP> im on 10.10 64x
[02:29] <holstein> that forum thread i linked is from '08
[03:31] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, hey there
[05:27] <rockcolttumtum> i'm having trouble getting win7 to load from grub
[05:28] <rockcolttumtum> anyone up to help?
[05:35] <gunndawg> rockcolttumtum, try uninstalling Windows 7 ;)
[05:35] <rockcolttumtum> haha.
[05:35] <rockcolttumtum> thanks
[05:35] <gunndawg> rockcolttumtum, doing that fixed all my problems
[05:35] <rockcolttumtum> i wish i could.
[05:35] <rockcolttumtum> grad school won't let me.
[05:36] <gunndawg> thats a shame
[05:36] <rockcolttumtum> yea. i have to have windows to access all out network drives. i've already tried talking to our IT guys into helping me config my ubuntu but they're not having it
[05:37] <rockcolttumtum> i'm going to try something someone told me in the ubuntu room
[05:37] <rockcolttumtum> "sudo apt-get install os-prober; sudo os-prober; sudo update-grub"
[05:37] <rockcolttumtum> think it'll work?
[05:37] <holstein> try just sudo update-grub
[05:37] <holstein> first
[05:37] <holstein> that literally cant hurt
[05:37] <rockcolttumtum> i did.
[05:37] <holstein> hmmm
[05:37] <rockcolttumtum> problem is i didn't think to create a sys restore disk of windows before i started.
[05:38] <rockcolttumtum> and all my windows disks are 64 bit
[05:38] <rockcolttumtum> and the os that came with my school's laptop is 32
[05:38] <holstein> well, as long as its a 64bit machine
[05:38] <rockcolttumtum> well, it would run 64.
[05:38] <holstein> you got re-install discs
[05:38] <holstein> for the worst case scenario
[05:38] <rockcolttumtum> but the factory came with 32 for some reason.
[05:39] <rockcolttumtum> i don't think it came with re-install disks. that'd be dumb of me to assume
[05:39] <rockcolttumtum> let me go check
[05:39] <gunndawg> holstein, quit telling people to use sudo update-grub and tell them to start using my Apt- front end app!! it updates grub! :)
[05:39] <holstein> gunndawg: hehe
[05:39] <holstein> plug it :)
[05:39] <gunndawg> you know it!
[05:40] <gunndawg> and btw, hi holstein
[05:40] <gunndawg> lol
[05:40] <holstein> o/
[05:40] <rockcolttumtum> hey holstein
[05:40] <rockcolttumtum> keith here.
[05:40] <rockcolttumtum> yea. it's one of those really expensive dell latitude's i don't need
[05:40] <rockcolttumtum> that came with like 5 paritions already on it
[05:40] <gunndawg> rockcolttumtum, jesus
[05:40] <rockcolttumtum> 3 i think in seriousnes
[05:40] <gunndawg> rockcolttumtum, de-curse that computer
[05:40] <rockcolttumtum> haha.
[05:40] <rockcolttumtum> there was a recovery parition
[05:41] <gunndawg> rockcolttumtum, set free the power of ubuntu on that poor thing
[05:41] <rockcolttumtum> a main parition
[05:41] <bioterror> apt- front end app
[05:41] <bioterror> wtf is that?
[05:41] <rockcolttumtum> and something else. utility parition for a utility i never learned how to use
[05:41] <holstein> i had 4 partitions on this EEE i got last week
[05:41] <gunndawg> bioterror, a GUI based apt- command handler that I made
[05:41] <rockcolttumtum> so i split the main partition
[05:41] <bioterror> hyh
[05:41] <rockcolttumtum> just took a 100GBs out for ubuntu to have fun.
[05:42] <rockcolttumtum> and installed fine as wine (pun intened)
[05:42] <rockcolttumtum> but from grub it won't run win7 now
[05:42] <gunndawg> bioterror, is "hyh" an acronym for something I didnt get the memo for ?
[05:42] <rockcolttumtum> when i select it it just keeps bringing me back to grub
[05:43] <holstein> hanging out in here made me nervous about setting this thing up
[05:43] <gunndawg> rockcolttumtum, I dont see the problem then ;)
[05:43] <holstein> and saving win7
[05:43] <rockcolttumtum> lol
[05:43] <holstein> it helped that i really wouldnt lose any sleep if i lost it
[05:43] <bioterror> gunndawg, I'm missing the point of your gui
[05:43] <gunndawg> any computer that fails to load windows is a perfect computer
[05:43] <holstein> BUT, win7 is booting
[05:43] <holstein> or was last time i checked
[05:43] <holstein> and i didnt need to do anything special
[05:43] <rockcolttumtum> haha. thanks gunndawg. i have to have it to access my campuses research servers.
[05:44] <gunndawg> bioterror, instead of using terminal to use commands like "sudo apt-get install whatever" you can do it all with my GUI with just a click of a button
[05:44] <rockcolttumtum> if i didn't i wouldn't have it .
[05:44] <holstein> rockcolttumtum: lets look up some documentation on os-prober
[05:44] <bioterror> gunndawg, "w0w" :D
[05:44] <rockcolttumtum> i'm going to try it
[05:44] <rockcolttumtum> and reboot.
[05:44] <rockcolttumtum> and i'll be back in 5
[05:44] <bioterror> gunndawg, is it better than synaptic for example?
[05:44] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/os-prober-udeb
[05:45] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[05:45] <gunndawg> bioterror, yeah but it also does othter things like does disk clean up, cleans cache, etc
[05:45] <gunndawg> bioterror, I"ll get you a screenshot
[05:46] <holstein> theres a
[05:46] <holstein> GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
[05:46] <holstein> option
[05:46] <gunndawg> bioterror, http://min.us/mbyPKFJndfethI
[05:46] <gunndawg> bioterror, 3 screenshots of it for ya
[05:46] <gunndawg> bioterror, keep in mind when looking at those, its not done yet, still a work in progress
[05:47] <rockcolttumtum> no luck
[05:47] <bioterror> junk files?
[05:47] <holstein> rockcolttumtum: with?
[05:48] <rockcolttumtum> whatever that script was i got from the ubuntu room
[05:48] <rockcolttumtum> i can't remember what it was.
[05:48] <holstein> lol
[05:48] <holstein> great
[05:48] <holstein> now you gotta sort that out
[05:48] <holstein> un-do it
[05:48] <holstein> just to get back to the here and now ;)
[05:48] <rockcolttumtum> lol. how would you reccomend i do that.
[05:48] <holstein> i was reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[05:48] <_CommandeR_> Guys need some newb help really. Thing is that got no logical partitions left but want to install another distro so i have unused 40gb how can i move that space to an allready extended space ?
[05:49] <gunndawg> bioterror, yeah junk cleaner runs the command "sudo apt-get autoremove" basically cleans up the left over files when you uninstall a package
[05:49] <holstein> rockcolttumtum: the command you ran will be in your history
[05:49] <holstein> thats a good start id say
[05:49] <rockcolttumtum> yea.
[05:49] <rockcolttumtum> good call
[05:50] <bioterror> gunndawg, that kind of guis doenst help newcomers at all
[05:50] <rockcolttumtum> "sudo apt-get install os-prober; sudo os-prober; sudo update-grub" was what i ran
[05:50] <bioterror> gunndawg, they're missing all the --switches and stuff like that
[05:50] <rockcolttumtum> anything that needs to be undid?
[05:50] <holstein> pobably not
[05:50] <rockcolttumtum> goodness. the ubuntu room is too ridiculous. i can't get a word in.
[05:50] <gunndawg> bioterror, I never said this was for newcomers, I never said it was for anyone actually
[05:51] <gunndawg> bioterror, its simply an application that I made
[05:51] <bioterror> and you were suggestin people to use it instead of terminal...
[05:51] <gunndawg> bioterror, I also said it was a "work in progress"
[05:51] <DiSTORT3D> cron is better for junk :P
[05:53] <bioterror> gunndawg, can I do: sudo apt-get purge openjdk-6-jre{-headless,-lib,} icedtea{-6-jre-cacao,6-plugin}   with your app
[05:53] <bioterror> ^__^
[05:53] <gunndawg> bioterror, yep
[05:54] <rockcolttumtum> holstein: any info I can grab that will make diagnostics easier?
[05:54] <bioterror> and it supports tabcompletion for those inside {}
[05:54] <gunndawg> correct
[05:54] <rockcolttumtum> i read something about a menu list but mine pulled up blank. then i read grub2 replaced it for something. idk.
[05:54] <holstein> rockcolttumtum: not sure
[05:54] <holstein> can you see the ntfs partition?
[05:54] <holstein> from linux?
[05:55] <holstein> do you see all the partitions you expect to see when you run sudo fdisk -l
[05:55] <holstein> rockcolttumtum: you should read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[06:12] <DiSTORT3D> lol apt-mirror repo in 2 hours :o
[06:15] <DiSTORT3D> @12.5mb/s
[06:16] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, what is that ?
[06:16] <DiSTORT3D> apt-mirror, mirroring ubuntu repo
[06:17] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, ah ok, why would one wanna do that? I am curious
[06:18] <DiSTORT3D> local access on multiple systems instead of downloading it everytime.
[06:18] <JackyAlcine> DiSTORT3D: good idea.
[06:18] <JackyAlcine> DiSTORT3D: Good for backing up?
[06:19] <gunndawg> ah ok
[06:20] <DiSTORT3D> not really more for installing, got alot of people here coming around to use my net for updating or experimenting with ubuntu but i pay per TB data transfer, so a local repo is better
[06:20] <gunndawg> if your downloading at 12.5mb a sec and its gonna take 2 hours, thats like 9TB
[06:21] <gunndawg> wait
[06:21] <gunndawg> 90TB
[06:21] <DiSTORT3D> 90 GB
[06:21] <gunndawg> oh, hmm
[06:21] <gunndawg> yeah 90,000MB
[06:21] <gunndawg> mb*
[06:22] <DiSTORT3D> basic repo dupe is 86 GB
[06:22] <gunndawg> i'll save my HDD :0
[06:22] <gunndawg> only got 250gb on this laptop
[06:23] <JackyAlcine> That's not bad; I can throw that onto a spare hard drive, if need be.
[06:23] <DiSTORT3D> Yea space is not expensive
[06:24] <gunndawg> I think I might kick this laptop up to 4gb memory and add a 500gb hdd and call it good
[06:24] <gunndawg> though it works great how it is now
[06:24] <gunndawg> for some reason I dont cram my HDD as much on ubuntu as I used to do on windows
[06:26] <gunndawg> or maybe I am and I dont know how to properly maintain stuff, heh
[06:26] <gunndawg> I might have left over files, unused files, etc all over this system
[06:27] <DiSTORT3D> 4.8TB in total Raid 6
[06:28] <DiSTORT3D> 1.2 TB used in mirroring HDD
[06:28] <DiSTORT3D> 8 x 600 GB
[06:29] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, just download the internet, problem solved ;)
[06:29] <DiSTORT3D> maybe not a bad idea :)
[06:29] <DiSTORT3D> but where do i leave it :D
[06:29] <gunndawg> hey thats an idea, you could be your own ISP, just download the internet and when people want to sign up for service, just give them a HDD that holds the itnernet :)
[06:30] <DiSTORT3D> Where does the internet start?
[06:30] <gunndawg> hmmm, didnt Al Gore create it ?
[06:31] <gunndawg> jk (incase anyone thought I was serious)
[06:31] <DiSTORT3D> You get internet from ISP but where get you ISP the bandwidth from?
[06:32] <gunndawg> internet hubs, apparently there are 13 of them in the world
[06:32] <gunndawg> at one point last year the hub in Russia went down, for like a 24 hour period they had no internet
[06:33] <gunndawg> 7 of the 13 hubs are in America, the rest are spread out around the world
[06:33] <DiSTORT3D> how are internet hubs are beeing powered up then its starts from nowhere and there is internet?
[06:33] <gunndawg> I dont understand what your saying
[06:34] <seidos> hey guys
[06:34] <gunndawg> hey seidos!
[06:34] <seidos> dang, i missed Elise001
[06:34] <DiSTORT3D> Internet Hubs that where the internet comes from, how do they generate internet?
[06:34] <seidos> DiSTORT3D: interesting question.  is the internet that data?  or the connectivity?  or both?
[06:34] <gunndawg> they dont "generate" internet
[06:35] <DiSTORT3D> data
[06:35] <DiSTORT3D> packets
[06:35] <seidos> speaking coherently takes effort
[06:35] <seidos> i meant the, not that
[06:35] <seidos> brain has a mind of its own
[06:35] <gunndawg> seidos, your a perfect example of ur own quote ;)
[06:36] <gunndawg> seidos, lets make the next big app together
[06:36] <seidos> gunndawg: i'd love to.  unfortunately, i ain't got the skills
[06:36] <seidos> gunndawg: have you checked out the linux kernel mailing list?
[06:37] <JackyAlcine> DiSTORT3D: The Internet is a collection of networks, think of it as a giant wifi hotspot.
[06:37] <gunndawg> seidos, I learned python and wxPython in a 24 hour period
[06:37] <gunndawg> seidos, its pretty simple and you can learn as you make something, thats what I did
[06:37] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: From where?! Please swing that kit by me. :D
[06:37] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, stand by
[06:37] <DiSTORT3D> I understand that but what is the origin.
[06:37] <seidos> gunndawg: i want to make a distributed (p2p) http protocol
[06:37] <seidos> holy toledo!
[06:37] <seidos> that's crazy
[06:38] <DiSTORT3D> where does it all start?
[06:38] <JackyAlcine> DiSTORT3D: It doesn't!
[06:38] <JackyAlcine> DiSTORT3D: Nor does it end!
[06:38] <JackyAlcine> lol :D
[06:38] <gunndawg> seidos, wow you read my mind
[06:38] <DiSTORT3D> sounds like life
[06:38] <gunndawg> seidos, I thought about starting that project also
[06:38] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mf0h3HphEA
[06:38] <seidos> DiSTORT3D: two computers connected, then 3, then 4...etc. etc. untill you have a billion or however many there are
[06:38] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, he has like 70 or something python tutorials, starting small and gets bigger, then he goes into GUI python programming, I suggest you follow him on youtube or bookmark him or something
[06:39] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, watching his tutorials was enough for me to make that front-end app that I made
[06:39] <_CommandeR_> guys this seems resonable = http://image.bayimg.com/aadghaadl.jpg right?
[06:40] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, fix that by removing windows ;)
[06:40] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: You helped me out so much. :D
[06:40] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, np, those are great tutorials
[06:40] <DiSTORT3D> gnome apt panel, does it work in kde?
[06:40] <_CommandeR_> Need the windows for programming.
[06:41] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, and like I said, there is like 70 of them or something for basic python, then he goes into making them a GUI
[06:41] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, I program on linux, you can as well
[06:41] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, I am not sure, I havent tested it
[06:41] <_CommandeR_> not XNA/C# that my school enforce atm
[06:41] <seidos> arg, the window is in windows
[06:41] <seidos> how does one record their screen?
[06:41] <DiSTORT3D> can u minimize windows?
[06:42] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, I am still working on Gnome apt- panel, will be a full fledged app when im done
[06:42] <DiSTORT3D> cool, ill test it for you in kde if you want too.
[06:42] <gunndawg> seidos, download DesktopRecorder
[06:42] <gunndawg> seidos, I did last night
[06:42] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, awesome, I'll let you know when im ready for a KDE test :)
[06:43] <DiSTORT3D> :)
[06:43] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, I am working on a "preferences" menu so they can pick gnome or kde, so the program knows which terminal to utilize
[06:43] <seidos> gunndawg: not in repositories
[06:44] <gunndawg> seidos, I think I got it off a website
[06:44] <seidos> gunndawg: bah!
[06:44] <gunndawg> seidos,  :)
[06:45] <seidos> i'm trying to chat over here!  stop bothering me with your solutions. :P
[06:45] <DiSTORT3D> can you not make it like it uses the same terminal standalone like terminator?
[06:45] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, what do you mean ?
[06:45] <gunndawg> seidos, quiet you!
[06:46] <gunndawg> seidos, what other channels are you chatting in ?
[06:46] <seidos> gtk-recordmydesktop is in the repositories
[06:46] <seidos> gunndawg: /whois seidos
[06:46] <DiSTORT3D> as required for installing your app, the need terminator terminal, it runs both on kde and gnome.
[06:46] <seidos> not many, i'm having a conversatio over facebook im in empathy
[06:46] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: try kazam. ;)
[06:46] <seidos> JoeMaverickSett: is it better?
[06:46] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: don't know.
[06:46] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, ah right, I'll look into that
[06:47] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: i've never tried gtk-record though
[06:47] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: seems to me kazam is good
[06:47] <_CommandeR_> gunndawg, also i need windows for one important thing. as backup OS to flash my SSD that runs my Desktop OS.
[06:47] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, ultimately I'd like to embed an emulated terminal into the program it self, so it doesnt need to use one
[06:47] <DiSTORT3D> yes that would be awesome.
[06:47] <AbhijiT> JackyAlcine, ping
[06:48] <JackyAlcine> Hey AbhijiT
[06:48] <_CommandeR_> recordmydesktop is a good recorder from my experiance
[06:48] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, if you need any help with Python feel free to ask me, I dont mind helpin out :)
[06:48] <DiSTORT3D> maybe you can use something from the open source from awn they have a build in terminal on the dock
[06:49] <gunndawg> DiSTORT3D, yep
[06:49] <AbhijiT> brb
[06:49] <_CommandeR_> doesnt awn use mono
[06:49] <_CommandeR_> ?
[06:49] <DiSTORT3D> no clue
[06:49] <_CommandeR_> docky uses mono from what I know, same with gnome-do
[06:50] <DiSTORT3D> they all look the same only one has more applets then the other.
[06:50] <_CommandeR_> docky seems the best.
[06:50] <DiSTORT3D> awn :P
[06:50] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_,  cairo dock is pretty nice, uses OpenGL
[06:50] <JackyAlcine> _CommandeR_: the Elementary Team has made a dock like Docky but in C++
[06:50] <_CommandeR_> most clean and fast
[06:51] <_CommandeR_> the fun thing is that the designer from docky is from elementary :P
[06:51] <DiSTORT3D> so is AWN  its the only panel left on my desktop everything else is gone.
[06:52] <DiSTORT3D> ill load up a screen
[06:52] <_CommandeR_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2137335/Pics/Random/Clean.png look how pretty it is :P
[06:53] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, that dock is way to large for me
[06:53] <DiSTORT3D> http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2397/screenshothm.png
[06:53] <gunndawg> here is mine
[06:53] <gunndawg> http://min.us/mvjt8dT
[06:54] <_CommandeR_> nice background DiSTORT3D
[06:54] <DiSTORT3D> thnx found it on google :-)
[06:55] <_CommandeR_> here is my main desktop = http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2137335/Pics/mineeyefinity.png
[06:55] <_CommandeR_> :P
[06:55] <gunndawg> if you look at my screen, you can see I use conky also, and my dock is in panel mode
[06:55] <gunndawg> http://min.us/mvjt8dT
[06:55] <_CommandeR_> yeah I also use the panel mode same as you
[06:55] <DiSTORT3D> lol windows :o
[06:55] <_CommandeR_> yea i know
[06:56] <_CommandeR_> eyefinity was/is crap in linux atm
[06:56] <DiSTORT3D> how did you spread 2 screens wide never been able to do that.
[06:56] <gunndawg> i went over to a buddies house today to fix his computer and I booted it up, when i saw windows xp I wanted to puke
[06:56] <_CommandeR_> that my friend is 3 screens
[06:57] <_CommandeR_> Got 3screens 22" 1920x1080
[06:57] <DiSTORT3D> :o yeah didnt look at resolution :)
[06:57] <gunndawg> im content with my 15" laptop :)
[06:57] <DiSTORT3D> I had 4 but it was anoying at linux
[06:57] <gunndawg> I laugh at people when I see them using like 18" laptops, might as well be packing around a desktop
[06:58] <_CommandeR_> ^
[06:58] <_CommandeR_> ^^
[06:58] <DiSTORT3D> 2 down 2 up
[06:58] <DiSTORT3D> funy watching a movie with vlc spread it over 4 screens
[06:58] <gunndawg> hey DiSTORT3D where are you from ?
[06:59] <DiSTORT3D> Netherlands
[06:59] <gunndawg> ah ok
[06:59] <gunndawg> one of my buddies lives there
[06:59] <gunndawg> hes a web developer
[06:59] <JackyAlcine> EVERYONE IS FROM THE NETHERLANDS!
[06:59] <DiSTORT3D> why are you?
[06:59] <_CommandeR_> Watched a bluray edition of the "new" star trek movie
[06:59] <_CommandeR_> not bad
[06:59] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, hush! back to learning python!!! nao!
[06:59] <JackyAlcine> :D and I'm from New York.
[06:59] <DiSTORT3D> the big apple :o
[07:00] <_CommandeR_> a bit streched over 3 screens but quite doable :P
[07:00] <_CommandeR_> must kill Apple
[07:00] <gunndawg> meh, I dont need that much screen
[07:00] <gunndawg> that would annoy me
[07:00] <_CommandeR_> i need it for few things :P
[07:01] <_CommandeR_> gaming/programming
[07:01] <DiSTORT3D> a friend of mine is make ubuntu bluray edition, it has a size of 22 G atm
[07:01] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, I can program just fine with 1 monitor, a 15" one at that
[07:01] <_CommandeR_> yeah i programmed before with my laptop
[07:01] <_CommandeR_> however when i moved up damn
[07:02] <_CommandeR_> a tut or a wiki on one screen. programming on one and debugging or a movie on third
[07:02] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, I tend to focus on just programming when I am at it, a movie would be annoying, lol
[07:02] <gunndawg> I need to be IN THE ZONE
[07:03] <_CommandeR_> or like this = http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2137335/Pics/multitask.png
[07:03] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, do you utilize python? Seidos and I wanna start a p2p client, I am just drafting ideas right now
[07:03] <DiSTORT3D> i wonder if we will find mirrors that one host a 25 GB iso image
[07:03] <DiSTORT3D> that will*
[07:03] <_CommandeR_> utilize as using ?
[07:04] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, utilize as in program with it
[07:04] <seidos> gunndawg: have you considered joining ubuntu-beginners-dev?
[07:04] <_CommandeR_> never touched python really
[07:04] <gunndawg> seidos, hm no sir
[07:04] <seidos> gunndawg: do you know what a .in file?
[07:04] <seidos> wrt python?
[07:04] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, ah ok, yeah i started with C, then C++, then C# with XNA, not python
[07:04] <_CommandeR_> only done some HTML, C# and XNA
[07:05] <gunndawg> seidos, no
[07:05] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, you should look into python programming, the syntax is pretty simple and its a really powerful language
[07:05] <_CommandeR_> and Bash scripts if that counts :P
[07:05] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, yeah well I started with a bash scripted program, then used python to port it into a GUI
[07:06] <_CommandeR_> I am proud of my Bash script terminal program. It is so pretty and clean.
[07:06] <seidos> there is an issue in glchess, where python jumps to 100% cpu utilization, dang that's hard to troubleshoot
[07:06] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, now learn python and port it over to a GUI :)
[07:06] <_CommandeR_> I am more of a terminal guy really, thats why I am moving to arch
[07:06] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, what IRC client do you use ?
[07:06] <_CommandeR_> Xchat
[07:07] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, if your a terminal guy then you should be using irssi or weechat :)
[07:07] <seidos> _CommandeR_: you can be a terminal guy with ubuntu.  what difference would arch make?
[07:07] <gunndawg> _CommandeR_, Terminal based IRC
[07:07] <_CommandeR_> arch is more awesome
[07:07] <seidos> irssi is niiiiice
[07:07] <seidos> i'm really impressed with its robustness
[07:07] <seidos> but xchat is cool
[07:07] <_CommandeR_> Also playing with Arch gives more understanding to how linux really works etc.
[07:08] <gunndawg> seidos, I just wish IRSSI had a nicklist
[07:08] <seidos> _CommandeR_: that's what i hear.
[07:08] <seidos> same with gentoo
[07:08] <seidos> but, i suspect you could always download source code with ubuntu.  it's all accessible...just sitting there...waiting to be explored...
[07:09]  * seidos drools
[07:09] <_CommandeR_> Aur is awesome and also there is a pacman program "strongpill" or something that may download and install updated att the same time
[07:09] <gunndawg> lol
[07:09] <_CommandeR_> updates*
[07:09] <gunndawg> I am content and happy with Ubuntu
[07:09] <gunndawg> so I'll stick with it
[07:09] <gunndawg> and Ubuntu 11.04 soon!
[07:09] <seidos> i would have to be bored to switch
[07:09] <AbhijiT> JackyAlcine, i am back. you there?
[07:10] <_CommandeR_> seidos, I am bored :P
[07:10] <JackyAlcine> I usually am.
[07:10] <seidos> _CommandeR_: well there you go
[07:10] <JackyAlcine> We should take this chat to the offtopic channel, guys. :3
[07:10] <seidos> i'm not not, my ~/src folder is overflowing with stuff
[07:10] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, I was about to suggest that
[07:10] <_CommandeR_> Like roling releases more than wait 6 monhts for some changes
[07:10] <seidos> i am bored of not being bored
[07:10] <gunndawg> we should make our own channel!
[07:11] <seidos> all right, i am getting stupider as time goes on, i think i should lay down
[07:11] <gunndawg> seidos, nooooooo
[07:11] <AbhijiT> JackyAlcine, i wanted to know who is head of wintermute. i would like to talk to him.whats his nick? where can i found him?
[07:11] <jmarsden> gunndawg: You can do that any time you like /join #yourownchannel   if you really want to :)
[07:11] <gunndawg> jmarsden, I know that ;) I am an IRC network admin
[07:11] <JackyAlcine> Come to ##wintermute, AbhijiT
[07:11] <AbhijiT> okay
[07:11] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Really? I need your help!
[07:11] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Come to #sii
[07:12] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, you can only utilize my help once per 24 hours
[07:12] <jmarsden> gunndawg: IRC netadmin but no cloak ??
[07:12]  * _CommandeR_ @ 8 IRC networks and over 32 channels 
[07:12] <gunndawg> jmarsden, not needed
[07:13] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Sure, I just need a channel for my group.
[07:14] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, its not my network, I just help maintain it
[07:14] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, its the Xevion network
[07:14] <JackyAlcine> Grrr.
[07:15] <_CommandeR_> rawr
[07:15] <gunndawg> meow
[07:15] <_CommandeR_> damn it takes ages
[07:15] <_CommandeR_> need an SSD for my laptop :/
[07:17]  * _CommandeR_ wonders when ATI driver support will be at par with nVidia on linux :/
[07:19] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Hmmm.... is there are script that gives irssi a nicklist? Can't quite remember
[07:20] <gunndawg> andrew_46, im not sure, a channel list would be even better
[07:22] <gunndawg> switching between like 8 channels on IRSSI is a pain, so i am forced to use xchat
[07:24] <andrew_46> gunndawg: I use adv_windowlist.pl which makes channel switching a little easier... just found the nicklist script, I shall try and get it running
[07:24] <gunndawg> you can use scripts with irssi ?
[07:24] <gunndawg> you should hook me up with the channel list
[07:26] <gunndawg> I will switch to irssi if I can have a better way to switch channels, I can do without a nicklist
[07:27] <andrew_46> gunndawg: I vaguely remember detailing this is a guide I wrote a while back
[07:27] <andrew_46> There it is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010780
[07:27] <andrew_46> Under: 'Add a few more scripts ... '
[07:28] <JackyAlcine> Pidgin!
[07:28]  * andrew_46 can see no birds
[07:29] <gunndawg> andrew_46, im lookin
[07:30] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Not my best work, that one :(
[07:30] <gunndawg> andrew_46, I am running $ $ wget http://anti.teamidiot.de/static/nei/*/Code/Irssi/adv_windowlist.pl
[07:30] <gunndawg> and its not doing anything
[07:30] <gunndawg> doing that in irssi
[07:31] <andrew_46> gunndawg: In an ordinary terminal, not in irssi'
[07:31] <gunndawg> oh ok
[07:32] <andrew_46> You can test it with: /script load adv_windowlist.pl
[07:32] <andrew_46> rather than auto-load it
[07:33] <gunndawg> ok its installed
[07:34] <gunndawg> andrew_46, how do I use it in irssi ?
[07:35] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Have you run /script load adv_windowlist.pl
[07:35] <gunndawg> yeah
[07:35] <gunndawg> says its not found
[07:36] <andrew_46> oic, you need to place the script in $HOME/.irssi/scripts
[07:36] <gunndawg> where do I locate it, to move it
[07:37] <andrew_46> find $HOME -name 'adv_windowlist.pl'
[07:38] <andrew_46> in a terminal
[07:38] <gunndawg> ok found it
[07:38] <gunndawg> ok script loaded
[07:39]  * jmarsden thinks... channel name ends in -beginners, and people are using irssi scripting? :) :)
[07:39] <andrew_46> Cool, now your channels should be lined up on the bottom status bar and you can navigate with alt + arrow keys
[07:40] <gunndawg> how many channels will it keep in that window ?
[07:40] <andrew_46> gunndawg: No idea :)
[07:40] <andrew_46> I only use 4 or 5 channels
[07:40] <gunndawg> oh I see,  juat makes the window bigger if it needs more space
[07:41] <andrew_46> gunndawg: If you like the script you can make it start with irssi startup?
[07:41] <gunndawg> sure, how do i do that, its pretty nice
[07:42] <seidos> i don't even use adv_windowlist.pl
[07:42] <seidos> i think used to when i first used irssi
[07:42] <andrew_46> cd $HOME/.irssi/scripts/autorun && ln -sv ../adv_windowlist.pl
[07:42] <gunndawg> andrew_46, have you tried weechat
[07:42] <andrew_46> seidos: I am a big fan :)
[07:42] <gunndawg> they have a nice channelist, http://the-apps.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/weechat.jpg
[07:43] <andrew_46> gunndawg: I am a huuuuuuge irssi fan
[07:43] <gunndawg> andrew_46, ah ok
[07:43] <gunndawg> andrew_46, so just running that command in terminal will make it auto load the script every time ?
[07:44] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Yep, not sure if you need to use /save as well, best to be safe and do so :)
[07:45] <gunndawg> andrew_46, I guess I need to also make an autorun folder in scripts ?
[07:45] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Indeed, if it is not there yet
[07:45] <gunndawg> andrew_46, and do I put the script file in auto run also ?
[07:46] <gunndawg> nvm, got it workin
[07:47] <gunndawg> ok gonna switch to irssi, brb!
[07:49] <GunnDawg> back!
[07:49] <GunnDawg> AndrewMC: how do I leave a channel in irssi?
[07:49] <red2kic> /wc
[07:50] <andrew_46> GunnDawg: Usually simply: /leave My clever message
[07:50] <andrew_46> The command /leave is an alias for /part
[07:50] <GunnDawg> andrew_46: NickServ is taking up one of my channels
[07:50] <GunnDawg> with limited space I dont want him to be my Alt + 2 window
[07:51] <andrew_46> GunnDawg: NickServ can be removed on startup, which I have done in the past... looking...
[07:51] <GunnDawg> andrew_46: thx
[07:53] <GunnDawg> that took a bit to timeout
[07:58] <andrew_46> Hmmm..... I actually authenticate with SASL, so the NickServ window does not open, how do you log into Freenode?
[07:59] <GunnDawg> andrew_46: I use /server irc.freenode.net
[08:01] <seidos> you add a server with /server, then use /connect to connect to the server you add
[08:01] <GunnDawg> seidos: im aware of that ;)
[08:01] <seidos> i found this command which auto authenticates to nickserv /SERVER ADD -auto -network freenode irc.freenode.net 6667 password
[08:01] <GunnDawg> seidos: that doesnt fix my NickServ issue with irssi
[08:01] <seidos> GunnDawg: i wasn't talking to you :)
[08:01] <GunnDawg> seidos: oh my bad
[08:02] <seidos> just throwing information out there
[08:02] <seidos> i actually came back to pause chromium
[08:02] <GunnDawg> seidos: pause it ?
[08:02] <seidos> GunnDawg: pkill -stop chromium
[08:02] <GunnDawg> seidos: im not gonna run that until you tell me what it is, lol
[08:02] <seidos> it is using cpu cycles when i'm afk, and i don't like it
[08:03] <andrew_46> GunnDawg: So you don't have an automatic connection setup?
[08:03] <seidos> GunnDawg: it just "pauses" the process, stops it.  you can resume it with pkill -cont process
[08:03] <GunnDawg> andrew_46: no, not with irssi
[08:03] <seidos> anyway, night amigos
[08:04] <GunnDawg> seidos: see ya
[08:05] <andrew_46> GunnDawg: You can setup and automatic connection in the standard way and add 'window goto nickserv;/wc";' but best is to use SSL and SASL, this is the safest way and also does not open an extra NickServ window
[08:05] <GunnDawg> andrew_46: this would be a lot nicer if nickserv didnt take up one of my channel slots
[08:05] <GunnDawg> andrew_46: how do i set it up with SASL ?
[08:06] <andrew_46> GunnDawg: Have a look at the section starting 'Automatically connect ... ' in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010780
[08:10] <GunnDawg> k brb
[08:11] <andrew_46> Hmmmm......hope I am not making things too complicated..... I have been accused of this before :(
[08:14] <gunndawg> back
[08:14] <gunndawg> seems like it worked fine :)
[08:15] <gunndawg> AndrewMC: it connected, authenticated me, and auto joined 5 channels for me, thanks :)
[08:15] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Excellent news :)
[08:16] <andrew_46> gunndawg: I you run a /whois on yourself you will see 'is using a secure connection' now
[08:16] <gunndawg> andrew_46: very well
[08:17] <gunndawg> andrew_46: I have always liked irssi but used xchat for its channel list and ease of connecting, but now I can get rid of xchat :)
[08:17] <andrew_46> and if you load the script hack-whois-in-current-window.pl the /whois window will open in your current window
[08:18] <gunndawg> andrew_46: right on
[08:18] <andrew_46> gunndawg: I used Xchat a whil back and mIrc in windows days but irssi always feels a lot faster
[08:19] <gunndawg> andrew_46: well it is faster, its more light weight, and easier on system resources
[08:19]  * andrew_46 will now continue his evil plan to convert everyone to irssi....
[08:19] <red2kic> Starting with me. :)
[08:20] <gunndawg> red2kic: I recommend it, i always have but prefered xchat for its ease of use, but with these scripts I think irssi is on part now
[08:20] <gunndawg> par*
[08:21] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Don't forget Ubuntu packages a big bunch of scripts as 'irssi-scripts'
[08:21] <gunndawg> andrew_46: good to know :)
[08:22] <andrew_46> as in:sudo apt-get install irssi-scripts
[08:22] <gunndawg> andrew_46: just wish we could get a chan-list on the side or something
[08:22] <gunndawg> andrew_46: but this works fine
[08:22] <red2kic_> I love irssi-mouse. :)
[08:22] <andrew_46> Hmmmm.... don't know about the channel list
[08:22] <andrew_46> red2kic_: mouse?
[08:22] <gunndawg> red2kick_ what does irssi-mouse do ?
[08:23] <red2kic_xchat> andrew_46: Yes. You can use mouse to scroll up/down instead of PageUp/PageDown. Also, to change channels with mouse gestures.
[08:23] <gunndawg> red2kic_xchat: hm that sounds good, how did you install that ?
[08:23] <red2kic_xchat> For Ubuntu... Good question.
[08:24] <andrew_46> gunndawg: http://scripts.irssi.org/ --> mouse.pl
[08:24] <andrew_46> red2kic_xchat: This one?
[08:24] <xyclo_> nick
[08:24] <red2kic_xchat> andrew_46: It does look like it but I know I don't use mouse.pl
[08:24] <xyclo_> ...
[08:24] <xyclo_> Hi!
[08:25] <red2kic_xchat> After all, I'm trying to convert myself to irssi from xchat. :P
[08:25] <andrew_46> Looks like some irssi patches kicking around as well...
[08:25] <red2kic_xchat> Sometimes I go back. :X
[08:26] <andrew_46> xyclo_: hi :)
[08:26] <gunndawg> im gonna try that mouse.pl script
[08:26] <gunndawg> brb
[08:26] <gunndawg> wow
[08:26] <gunndawg> works great
[08:27] <gunndawg> nice
[08:27] <gunndawg> can scroll chat now
[08:27] <gunndawg> with mouse wheel
[08:27] <xyclo_> Just realized my laptop is 64bit compatible (and 3GB RAM). I use (or am planning to use) a lot of audio applications. Is there a real improvement in performance? Will it be a pain to compile stuff or get versions compatible in general? I am running Ubuntu-Studio 10.04, which is what I would use, at least for now.
[08:27] <xyclo_> Hi andrew_46
[08:27] <andrew_46> gunndawg: you are using yoour mouse? You look a lot .... smoother .... :)
[08:28] <gunndawg> andrew_46: not sure how to take that
[08:28] <red2kic_xchat> andrew_46, gunndawg: Ah. Yes, it does use .pl after all -- Not mouse.pl -- but there are few pl in there. :O
[08:28] <andrew_46> gunndawg: in a good way :). I have never heard of mouse + irssi before
[08:29] <gunndawg> andrew_46: yeah you can use the wheel to scroll the chat
[08:29] <gunndawg> andrew_46: how do i make the script autorun with irssi? just put it in the autorun folder ?
[08:29] <red2kic_xchat> gunndawg: Yes.
[08:29] <gunndawg> k brb
[08:29] <andrew_46> gunndawg: That is one way, the technically more correct way is to place a symlink
[08:30] <andrew_46> but it is the same result
[08:30] <red2kic_xchat> Link or just move it, I suppose. Rather than copying. :P
[08:30] <andrew_46> D'oh!! Too slow again....
[08:30] <gunndawg> nice
[08:30] <gunndawg> irssi is now awesome
[08:30] <gunndawg> :)
[08:30] <red2kic_xchat> andrew_46: Is there a way for me to receive hilights using changed text colors rather than background hilight?
[08:31] <andrew_46> xyclo_: My own experience is only with 32bit, sorry :(
[08:31] <andrew_46> red2kic_xchat: Absolutely no idea I'm afraid :(
[08:31] <red2kic_xchat> ):
[08:32] <gunndawg> terminal based irc FTW
[08:32] <xyclo_> ok, thx anyways!
[08:32] <gunndawg> :)
[08:32] <andrew_46> red2kic_xchat: Are you using Ubuntu or another distro?
[08:32] <red2kic_xchat> andrew_46: Arch.
[08:33] <andrew_46> red2kic_xchat: That's ok I am using Slackware :)
[08:33] <red2kic_xchat> Never touched it. :)
[08:33] <andrew_46> All non-Ubuntu users now do 10 pushups!
[08:33] <gunndawg> some tab my name and say something, i wanna test something
[08:33] <red2kic_xchat> gunndawg: No.
[08:34] <andrew_46> gunndawg: no way
[08:34] <gunndawg> hm ok
[08:34] <andrew_46> gunndawg: You are after sound?
[08:34] <gunndawg> andrew_46: can I change the color of that on the channel list ?
[08:34] <gunndawg> its like a dark gray
[08:34] <red2kic_xchat> red2kic_: Beep.
[08:34] <gunndawg> andrew_46: no just seeing what color shows up in the channel list when someone pages me
[08:35] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Colors are in $HOME/.irssi/default.theme
[08:35] <gunndawg> andrew_46: thx
[08:36] <andrew_46> gunndawg: and color schemes x 1,000 online, + some 'official' ones as well
[08:37] <gunndawg> andrew_46: nice they make themes for irssi ?
[08:37] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Yes. :)
[08:37] <gunndawg> red2kic_: nice! where is a good site for those ?
[08:37] <red2kic_> http://irssi.org/themes
[08:37] <red2kic_> And probably some on gnome-looks, I would imagine.
[08:38] <gunndawg> sweet
[08:39] <andrew_46> gunndawg: If you want a beep when someone tabs you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8720989&postcount=4
[08:40] <gunndawg> andrew_46: lookin
[08:40] <andrew_46> But background sound on the system tends to wreck this :(
[08:40] <red2kic_> I loaded usercount.pl -- I don't see the result. What gives?
[08:42] <andrew_46> red2kic_xchat: Does not work here either :(. Perhaps not with newer irssi??
[08:42] <andrew_46> wait
[08:42] <andrew_46> red2kic_xchat: Try: /statusbar window add usercount
[08:43] <red2kic_> Ah. That's nice. 71 nicks. :)
[08:43] <red2kic_> Oh you read the script. Doh!
[08:43] <andrew_46> red2kic_xchat: Indeed :)
[08:44] <gunndawg> red2kic_: is usercount.pl the script that makes a user list on the right side ?
[08:44] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Yes.
[08:44] <red2kic_> gunndawg: no.
[08:44] <gunndawg> but it doesnt work ?
[08:44] <gunndawg> http://irssi.org/themefiles/revolutionary.png  like that ?
[08:44] <red2kic_> gunndawg: I mean.. It only display the number of nicks.
[08:44] <andrew_46> red2kic_xchat: I see Timo Sirainen is credited in part for this one, is he creator of irssi?
[08:45] <gunndawg> andrew_46: how can I get a nick list like shown in that screen I posted
[08:46] <andrew_46> gunndawg: That one looked quite complex and I did not play with it: http://scripts.irssi.org/ --> nicklist.pl
[08:46] <andrew_46> Within the script is a url with details
[08:46] <red2kic_> andrew_46: I learned that userlist is pretty rather useless information, but then again, usercount.pl might be too. :P
[08:47] <gunndawg> andrew_46: ah ok, I guess I can do without it
[08:47] <red2kic_> @1 %0 +20 51
[08:47] <andrew_46> gunndawg: There is a command for nicks, but not much good on a busy channel
[08:48] <gunndawg> andrew_46: yeah I dont really use the nicklist anyways in xchat come to think of it
[08:50] <gunndawg> andrew_46: do you do any sort of programming ?
[08:51] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Shell scripting is all I am capable of :(. BTW the nicklist has a simple explanation here: http://al3k.net/category/irc/
[08:52] <gunndawg> andrew_46: look at this guys irssi setup
[08:52] <gunndawg> andrew_46: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnHTMMSzgC0
[08:53] <gunndawg> andrew_46: that little thing at the top is awesome!
[08:53] <gunndawg> andrew_46: any clue what that is ?
[08:53] <red2kic_> andrew_46: Make a script that'll automatically connect to irssi under screen. If no screen, make one, then create irssi. This is something I have been meaning to do. :P
[08:54] <red2kic_> This guy have four monitors!
[08:54] <andrew_46> He obviously has no life :)
[08:54] <gunndawg> I want that script he has
[08:54] <gunndawg> for the top
[08:54] <red2kic_> htop?
[08:55] <red2kic_> Watching the video.
[08:55] <gunndawg> is that what its called ?
[08:55] <gunndawg> htop ?
[08:55] <red2kic_> I don't know. If you are talking about color top, then that's htop (interactive).
[08:55] <red2kic_> Except that have nothing to do with irssi. :)
[08:56] <red2kic_> Oh.
[08:56] <gunndawg> red2kic_: im talking about the top where people message him
[08:56] <red2kic_> Hilight messages on top? :)
[08:56] <gunndawg> it shows up, on the top
[08:56] <gunndawg> yeah
[08:56] <red2kic_> Dunno. Pretty cool.
[08:56]  * red2kic_ checks out the comments. 
[08:56] <red2kic_> Maybe there are something in it.
[08:56] <gunndawg> hilightwin.pl
[08:56] <gunndawg> thats what it is
[08:57] <andrew_46> Hmmm... could not see what he was doing there...
[08:58] <gunndawg> brb
[08:58] <red2kic_> andrew_46: Look at the irssi, there are two windows. One top (for hilight).
[08:58] <gunndawg> ok I downloaded it
[08:58] <gunndawg> nots ure if it works
[08:59] <andrew_46> Hmmm.... getting too compicated for my taste
[08:59] <red2kic_> andrew_46: How do you add a window named hilight? :)
[08:59] <gunndawg> someone message me, i wanna test it
[08:59] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Beep.
[09:00] <red2kic_> Or you want prv?
[09:00] <gunndawg> nope, not working yet
[09:00] <gunndawg> im gonna follow his post about how to set up IRC just like this
[09:00] <gunndawg> his*
[09:00] <andrew_46> red2kic_: Well, the /window command is what you need, syntax of course in /help window... I have no used this
[09:01] <andrew_46> t
[09:02] <red2kic_> gunndawg: I broke it. :(
[09:03] <casey> is there a package that will give me more control over my touchpad?
[09:04] <andrew_46> red2kic_ gunndawg I must go, nice to 'meet' you both :)
[09:04] <gunndawg> w00t, someone message me now
[09:04] <red2kic_> gunndawg: w00t
[09:04] <andrew_46> gunndawg: I shall see u lter :)
[09:04] <gunndawg> yay, it works
[09:04] <gunndawg> highlight window on top now
[09:04] <gunndawg> awesome
[09:05] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Link for the blog, plz? :o
[09:05] <gunndawg> check this out
[09:05] <gunndawg> http://min.us/mvbszNK
[09:05] <gunndawg> can make it whatever size you want, his tutorial says 6 but I made it 4
[09:06] <red2kic_> I have lot of irssi layout to fix.
[09:07] <gunndawg> red2kic_: http://pc-addicts.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=538&pid=2282#post_2282
[09:07] <gunndawg> thats the link to it, I just followed it step by step, skipping the theme part cause I like my own theme
[09:08] <gunndawg> AndrewMC: you still here ?
[09:08] <red2kic_> Good riddances to multi splits.
[09:08] <gunndawg> andrew_46 you still here ?
[09:08] <gunndawg> what do you mean red2kic_ ?
[09:09] <red2kic_> gunndawg: I had 3 splits. :o
[09:09] <red2kic_> Say something.
[09:09] <gunndawg> red2kic_: what are splits ?
[09:09] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Split windows.
[09:09] <gunndawg> red2kic_: hm ok, not sure what they do or looked like, but ok
[09:09] <red2kic_> Ooo I have to load the script. :o
[09:10] <red2kic_xchat> Beep
[09:10] <red2kic_xchat> red2kic_: Hi sugar
[09:10] <gunndawg> lol
[09:10] <red2kic_> Awesome.
[09:10] <red2kic_> It's done. :)
[09:10] <gunndawg> nice isnt it ?
[09:10] <red2kic_> It's an improvement, yes. :O
[09:11] <red2kic_> I might prefer it on seperate channel. Idk yet.
[09:11] <red2kic_> Are you using adv_windowlist.pl?
[09:11] <gunndawg> yes
[09:11] <gunndawg> btw I just installed his theme and I like it even better
[09:12] <red2kic_> Paste the link you pasted earlier.
[09:12] <red2kic_> For your screenshot.
[09:13] <gunndawg> can I make a diff screenshot ?
[09:13] <red2kic_> He got invisible statusbar at top. I have sttausbar.
[09:13] <red2kic_> Sure.
[09:13] <gunndawg> http://min.us/mvbxfDt
[09:13] <xyclo_> Good night. It's 4.13am...
[09:14] <red2kic_> I suppose I will make a nice script that'll check for screen, irssi, etc.
[09:14] <gunndawg> I got rid of the blue color and spaced out the channels some
[09:14] <red2kic_> xyclo_: Sweet dream.
[09:14] <gunndawg> red2kic_: check for screen?
[09:14] <xyclo_> Yes, I'll have time just for one...
[09:14] <xyclo_> Thx
[09:15] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Yes. To avoid starting multiple irssi or screen. Check if screen is running, then use that to detach. Make things little easier if I'm not connected to the computer.
[09:15] <red2kic_> to reattach*
[09:15] <gunndawg> red2kic_: I dont get what you mean by check if scren is running, your monitor ?
[09:16] <red2kic_> gunndawg: multiplayer notepad.
[09:16] <red2kic_> gunndawg: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi#learning_screen
[09:17] <red2kic_> gunndawg: What gtk theme is that?
[09:17] <gunndawg> red2kic_: I never log out, so no reason to use screen I guess
[09:18] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Useful for ssh.
[09:18] <gunndawg> red2kic_: I dont use ssh either
[09:18] <gunndawg> heh
[09:18] <red2kic_> As if you never left the computer. :)
[09:18] <gunndawg> red2kic_: I never do leave the computer ;)
[09:18] <red2kic_> *Gasp*
[09:19] <gunndawg> lol
[09:19] <red2kic_> Your eyes! They're glued to the screen. ._.
[09:19] <gunndawg> red2kic_: yes, :)
[09:22] <gunndawg> red2kic_: I wanna figure out how to add a little space between the highlight box and the chat
[09:22] <gunndawg> like in his video, and how to space out the channels at the bottom
[09:24] <red2kic_> I need the link again. I closed it.
[09:24] <red2kic_> Meh.
[09:25] <red2kic_> I think that's something with awl.
[09:25] <gunndawg> link to video or his article about how to set it up ?
[09:25] <red2kic_> The video. I think it have to do with /awl
[09:25] <red2kic_> Well, I would guess.
[09:25] <gunndawg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnHTMMSzgC0
[09:26] <red2kic_> It is weird for him to watch himself from different place. :(
[09:26] <red2kic_> I see it. Mmm. awl, defintely.
[09:27] <red2kic_> \/set awl(tab)
[09:27] <red2kic_>  /set awl (tab,tab)
[09:27] <red2kic_> It'll display options.
[09:27] <gunndawg> wait, what ?
[09:27] <gunndawg> what is awl
[09:27] <red2kic_> gunndawg: adv_windowlist.pl something.
[09:27] <gunndawg> oh ok
[09:28] <gunndawg> so how does that help me put spacing between the hilight box and the channel list ?
[09:30] <red2kic_> gunndawg: It's one of the options... bnut I don't know which. I'm testing them all. Type /set awl<tab,tab>
[09:30] <red2kic_> gunndawg: You'll see them.
[09:30] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Or do this.. "/set awl"
[09:30] <red2kic_> It'll print out all list.
[09:30] <gunndawg> yeah I see the list
[09:30] <gunndawg> but not sure which one to use, or how to use those options
[09:30] <gunndawg> I tried awl_separator but it said unknown command
[09:30] <red2kic_> gunndawg: "/set awl_block -15" for example.
[09:31] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Try that. It's awl_block, I believe.
[09:31] <gunndawg> ok, if it doesnt work do you know how to get it back to normal ?
[09:32] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Look at "/set awl_block'
[09:32] <red2kic_> gunndawg: It'll display the value.
[09:32] <red2kic_> So remember that.
[09:32] <red2kic_> Then you go ahead and changei t.
[09:32] <gunndawg> ok that didnt fix it
[09:33] <red2kic_> What theme are you using?
[09:33] <red2kic_> For irssi.
[09:33] <red2kic_> Since my adv_windowlist.pl looks ugly.
[09:33] <gunndawg> the one off his tutorial
[09:33] <gunndawg> i suggest you use his
[09:33] <gunndawg> and follow his tutorial, it realy fixes stuff
[09:34] <red2kic_> Ah. Much better.
[09:34] <red2kic_> Sorta.
[09:35] <gunndawg> red2kic_: follow his tutorial and get rid of the act panel also
[09:35] <red2kic_> I removed act.
[09:35] <red2kic_> I'll show you what I have.
[09:35] <gunndawg> ok
[09:35] <gunndawg> red2kic_: use www.min.us to post a screenshot
[09:35] <gunndawg> its easier, just drag ur photo into the page
[09:36] <red2kic_> gunndawg: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=136367
[09:37] <red2kic_> Originally I was using envy.theme
[09:38] <gunndawg> red2kic_: why is it so vertical ?
[09:38] <red2kic_> gunndawg: I have 24" monitor. It shows up on right side.
[09:38] <gunndawg> oh ok
[09:38] <red2kic_> Takes up 1/3 of the screen.
[09:39] <gunndawg> I'll be set once I figure out how to add a little spacing between the highlight box
[09:39] <gunndawg> and the channel box
[09:39] <gunndawg> so the chat is seperated from both of those, even by just 1 line
[09:39] <gunndawg> one line of spacing is all I need
[09:40] <seidos> synchronicity
[09:40] <gunndawg> seidos: what ? lol
[09:42] <red2kic_> If he play that word in Scrabble, that's worth 26 points. :)
[09:44] <gunndawg> heh
[09:47] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Hi.
[09:47] <red2kic_> I think I found out how.
[09:47] <red2kic_> Notice the video.
[09:47] <red2kic_> All he did was remove everything, including usercount.pl
[09:47] <red2kic_> Leaving a minimal one-line.
[09:47] <gunndawg> remove everything ?
[09:47] <red2kic_> Trim off the time.
[09:47] <red2kic_> Yes.
[09:47] <red2kic_> He only have one thing.
[09:48] <red2kic_> The current channel.
[09:48] <gunndawg> and his hilight box
[09:48] <gunndawg> and the channel list
[09:48] <red2kic_> I'm talking about the top line.
[09:48] <gunndawg> yeah
[09:48] <red2kic_> Which you want to create a line.
[09:48] <red2kic_> Yeah.
[09:48] <gunndawg> a space
[09:48] <gunndawg> yeah
[09:48] <red2kic_> He didn't create a line, he just take off lot of things so... a line.
[09:48] <red2kic_> Yup.
[09:48] <gunndawg> ok
[09:53] <HumanBlade> hi can i get general help in here?
[09:53] <HumanBlade> oh and, HI ALL!
[09:54] <red2kic_> Sure.
[09:55] <gunndawg> hello
[09:55] <HumanBlade> well my problem is related to network shares. i can connect with the gui, and i can see it's using cifs, but using mount -t cifs i get "mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system"
[09:56] <HumanBlade> so i was wondering if there was a way of checking whether my kernel was maybe not compiled with cifs.ko etc.
[09:57] <red2kic_> Heh. Dunno. Ask kernel channel.
[09:57] <tsimpson> make sure you have smbfs installed
[09:58] <HumanBlade> i do. first thing i checked
[09:58] <HumanBlade> i mean i can connect via gui, so it's really weird
[09:58] <HumanBlade> if there was a way i could see how the gui was connecting, i'm sure i could figure it out
[10:00] <tsimpson> have a look at the output of "dmesg|tail" right after trying to mount a cifs share
[10:00] <HumanBlade> one moment...
[10:02] <HumanBlade> only thing i see related is gvfsd-smb used greatest stack depth
[10:03] <HumanBlade> i think that's related....
[10:03] <bioterror> hi hobgoblin
[10:03] <hobgoblin> hi bioterror
[10:04] <HumanBlade> let me look into the gvfsd-smb thing and see if it's related. thanks for your input tsimpson
[10:08] <HumanBlade> oh christ... i just modprobe cifs and i ain't got it
[10:09] <HumanBlade> ugh.....
[10:09] <gunndawg> Hey JackyAlcine
[10:10] <HumanBlade> um so anyone wanna be nice and step me through the process of tracking down and ismodding the correct cifs.ko?
[10:10] <HumanBlade> *insmodding. pretty please? with ubuntu on top?
[10:13] <HumanBlade> i mean cifs is a standard kernel module, right? gonna go check out the ubuntu-kernel guys
[10:13] <tsimpson> cifs.ko should come with the linux-image-$(uname -r) package, so yeah it's standard
[10:14] <tsimpson> should be at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko
[10:16] <HumanBlade> nope not there
[10:16] <HumanBlade> i hope that's something i can just insmod. my kernel/fs has fat,fuse,isofs and nls
[10:17] <tsimpson> what kernel are you running?
[10:17] <HumanBlade> when i uname -r i get:2.6.32.23+drm33.10
[10:17] <HumanBlade> i have newer kernel modules in /lib/moudles
[10:18] <tsimpson> looks like a custom build
[10:18] <HumanBlade> it is..... chrome laptop cr-48
[10:18] <red2kic_> HumanBlade: How did you get that? >_>
[10:18] <HumanBlade> dual booting an ubuntu that saved me 6 hours of crap
[10:18] <HumanBlade> i beat up a google
[10:18] <HumanBlade> and stole her laptop
[10:18] <HumanBlade> :)
[10:19] <tsimpson> do you have a /boot/config-2.6.32.23+drm33.10 (or similar)?
[10:19] <HumanBlade> i applied in mid-december for pilot program, showed up like 3 days ago
[10:19] <HumanBlade> doubt it one sec
[10:20] <HumanBlade> all my configs are for 2.6.35+
[10:21] <HumanBlade> probably if i switch to that kernel, no problems
[10:22] <HumanBlade> well at least i know the issue. i'll have to look into either insmodding or switching the kernel
[10:22] <tsimpson> it may be that the kernel you're running has cifs disabled
[10:23] <HumanBlade> well there's no boot config, so it would have to have been compiled that way i'm guessing
[10:24] <tsimpson> the boot config is just a copy of the config used to compile the kernel, it doesn't effect the already compiled kernel
[10:24] <HumanBlade> unless you're hinting there may be a way for me to enable it.... i mean there's no module for it's version in /lib
[10:24] <HumanBlade> ahhhh
[10:24] <HumanBlade> thanks for the knol
[10:24] <kumaanki> hey, can anyone look into this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/713643
[10:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 713643 in xorg "High CPU usage by Xorg process when scrolling in firefox or adobe reader or in any other application (dup-of: 713640)" [Undecided,New]
[10:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 713640 in xorg "High CPU usage by Xorg process when scrolling in firefox or adobe reader or in any other application" [Undecided,New]
[10:26] <HumanBlade> well tsimpson, thank you for helping me. gonna cruise the web for possible solution
[10:26] <tsimpson> no problem
[10:27] <HumanBlade> i'm assuming switching out a kernel is often messy
[10:28] <HumanBlade> one last q... do you know where the kernel log is? should be catching any unrecognized calls to it
[10:35] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Hoo hoo.
[10:36] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Run "/statusbar" and "/help statusbar"
[10:36] <red2kic_> gunndawg: That might get you an empty line.
[10:38] <tsimpson> HumanBlade: usually /var/log/kern.log
[10:39] <HumanBlade> does it mean anything that i have mount.cifs in sbin?
[10:39] <gunndawg> red2kic_: hmm
[10:39] <HumanBlade> i'm assuming it doesn't matter cause it's not working anyways
[10:39] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Same thing you used to remove "act" -- And the one responsible for top (topic) statusbar.
[10:40] <gunndawg> red2kic_: ah right
[10:40] <tsimpson> HumanBlade: it means nothing without kernel support, it's a helper that mount uses to do the cifs specific stuff
[10:40] <red2kic_> ibuclaw: Do you use irssi? :3
[10:40] <gunndawg> red2kic_: so your saying I should remove the status bar ?
[10:41] <red2kic_> gunndawg: No. I was saying you could add new one -- and leave it empty. That would get you an empty line -- What you wanted.
[10:42] <gunndawg> red2kic_: ok so how would I do that, and also how do I get rid of the topic bar as well
[10:42] <red2kic_> gunndawg: I'm guessing it is "/statusbar window remove topic"
[10:42] <gunndawg> red2kic_: would I be able to re add those if that doesnt work right ?
[10:43] <red2kic_> gunndawg: I don't know. :D
[10:43] <red2kic_> gunndawg: I mean I wouldn't know how to add it afterward.
[10:43] <gunndawg> oh ok
[10:43] <gunndawg> I better not try it then
[10:43] <gunndawg> well I did try it and didnt work
[10:43] <red2kic_> gunndawg: It is good idea to leave topic bar alone though. Little reading won't hurt.
[10:44] <gunndawg> said Statusbar item doesnt exist: topic
[10:44] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Maybe "/statusbar root remove topic"
[10:44] <gunndawg> Statusbar doesnt exist: root
[10:45] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Meh. Dunno. :(
[10:45] <gunndawg> ah ok
[10:45] <gunndawg> just would be nice to get some space between the higligt box and the channels
[10:45] <gunndawg> so its not all cramped together
[10:45] <gunndawg> I made a post on that guys forum
[10:45] <gunndawg> so maybe he'll respond
[10:47] <gunndawg> red2kic_: hmm wait maybe it did remove something
[10:48] <gunndawg> or maybe it added a spacer, but not in the right spot
[10:48] <red2kic_> gunndawg: It shouldn't add anything. Just remove the top "topic"
[10:49] <gunndawg> yeah
[10:49] <gunndawg> brb gonna reload irssi
[10:50] <ibuclaw> red2kic, no
[10:50] <gunndawg> back
[10:50] <ibuclaw> why me?
[10:50] <red2kic_> ibuclaw: Because you're one cool guy. :)
[10:51] <ibuclaw> oh?
[10:51] <gunndawg> hey red2kic_ do you have a channel in ur channel list called "hilight" ?
[10:51] <red2kic_> ibuclaw: Always mess around with LVM + Encryption stufs.
[10:51] <ibuclaw> did I miss a meeting?
[10:51] <red2kic_> stuffs...*
[10:52] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Yes. That's expected from hilightwin.pl
[10:52] <gunndawg> red2kic_: ah right
[10:56] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Hilight me!
[10:56] <gunndawg> red2kic_: yo yo
[10:56] <red2kic_> Aww. Crap.
[10:56] <gunndawg> what ?
[10:57] <red2kic_> Trying to work the hilight format colors.
[10:57] <gunndawg> ah ok
[10:57] <gunndawg> what color you tryin to make it ?
[10:57] <red2kic_> I don't want background color. Just text.
[10:58] <red2kic_> Like xchat. :)
[10:58] <gunndawg> hm I dont have background color
[10:58] <gunndawg> and I never changed anything
[10:58] <gunndawg> by default there is no background color
[10:58] <red2kic_> gunndawg: I have hilighted you few times. PrintSreen.
[10:58] <red2kic_> Send it. I'll show you (if you got it).
[10:59] <gunndawg> ok
[10:59] <gunndawg> red2kic_: http://min.us/mvk2jwV
[11:00] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Ah. I'll show you what I'm trying to achieve in irssi. Hold.
[11:00] <gunndawg> ok
[11:00] <red2kic> gunndawg: Sup?
[11:00] <red2kic> Yo yo yo! :)
[11:01] <gunndawg> yo
[11:01] <red2kic> $(INSERT_ANGRY_FACE)
[11:01] <gunndawg> what ?
[11:01] <red2kic_> red2kic: Hilighted!
[11:01] <red2kic> Wow!
[11:01] <red2kic_> Just printing stuffs so I can snapshot it.
[11:01] <gunndawg> oh ok
[11:01] <red2kic_> gunndawg: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=136373
[11:02] <gunndawg> thats not irssi
[11:02] <red2kic_> I know.
[11:02] <gunndawg> thats xchat
[11:02] <gunndawg> your not usin irssi anymore ?
[11:02] <red2kic_> Irssi should be able to use.
[11:03] <red2kic_> I'm on irssi. The other red2kic is on xchat.
[11:03] <gunndawg> lol why use both ?
[11:03] <red2kic_> I'm still modifying irssi to my likings.
[11:03] <red2kic_> xchat -- I'm done with that. :)
[11:03] <gunndawg> oh ok
[11:05] <geirha> /hilight -color %r red2kic
[11:05] <gunndawg> red2kic_: type me a really long message, i wanna see if the hilight box will wrap it
[11:05] <red2kic_> geirha: The thing is -- I already have that.
[11:06] <red2kic_> But I still get the background hilight -- I even tried appending %0 -- Nothing.
[11:06] <geirha> What do you mean by background hilight?
[11:06] <red2kic_> gunndawg: I told him I was only a callow youth with two foolish feet.  "I'm old and half blind, and couldn't care for eating the likes of you.  But in exchange for your shoes and satchel I'll tell you how to avoid the people who smell the anger running down the mountainside.  Didn't your father tell you?  The people who run down the mountain to the valley only come to eat youths with foolish feet like your own."
[11:06] <red2kic_> geirha: Highlighted Background. I wish to leave it black, but change the color of the text.
[11:07] <red2kic_> geirha: Just like the url I posted above.
[11:07] <gunndawg> red2kic_: meh, it kinda works, but kinda not, dang
[11:07] <geirha> That's odd, for me that /hilight line only changes the text color.
[11:08] <red2kic_> Maybe it's a conflict with theme I'm using (envy).
[11:11] <gunndawg> I might try weechat again
[11:11] <gunndawg> its a nice terminal based irc client as well
[11:11] <red2kic> red2kic_: I concur.
[11:12] <red2kic_> Irssi is well too.
[11:12] <red2kic_> red2kic
[11:12] <red2kic> red2kic_: Yes?
[11:12] <red2kic_> No hilight. Dammnit.
[11:12] <geirha> red2kic_: What does   /set hilight_color   say?
[11:13] <red2kic_> geirha: %Y  (I'm also checking envy.theme)
[11:14] <red2kic> red2kic_: I see what you did there.
[11:14] <red2kic> red2kic_: I curse you.
[11:16] <red2kic> red2kic_: Why are you talking to yourself again?
[11:25] <gunndawg> ugh
[11:28] <geirha> If you want someone else to hilight you, you can join #evalbot and type   # echo hello
[11:32] <gunndawg> im still deciding if I wanna use irssi or xchat
[11:46] <gunndawg> red2kic: you still around ?
[11:48] <red2kic> gunndawg: Yes.
[11:48] <red2kic> I'm still around.
[11:48] <gunndawg> red2kic: the guy who posted that irssi video with the tutorial responded to my thread, so maybe he'll tell me how to get proper spacing :)
[11:49] <red2kic> Nice. :)
[11:50] <gunndawg> indeed
[11:50] <red2kic> I'm perfecting my irssi.
[11:50] <red2kic> Turns out it was theme-related issue.
[11:50] <red2kic> So i'm configuring my own theme.
[11:51] <gunndawg> red2kic: right on
[11:51] <gunndawg> screenshot it when ur done
[11:51] <gunndawg> I think I"ll be content with my setup once he tells me how to get that proper spacing
[11:55] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Okay.
[11:55] <red2kic_> Sure thing. No problem
[11:55] <red2kic_> I can screenshot it right now.
[11:55] <red2kic_> Just say something.
[11:56] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Hilight me!
[11:56] <gunndawg> red2kic_: hey
[11:56] <red2kic_> Now, some more without my nick.
[11:56] <gunndawg> how do I hilight you without your nick ?
[11:56] <gunndawg> im confused
[11:56] <red2kic_> Perfect.
[11:56] <red2kic_> :)
[11:56] <gunndawg> oh you meant just chat
[11:56] <gunndawg> ok screenshot it :)
[11:57] <gunndawg> if I like it, I might have to steal ur theme ;)
[11:57] <red2kic_> :o
[11:57] <red2kic_> I might work on it some more. I'm uncertain if I want it bold or not. :P
[11:57] <gunndawg> well screenshot it
[11:58] <red2kic_> gunndawg: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=136378
[11:59] <gunndawg> ah, not using the hilight box ?
[11:59] <red2kic_> That's it. I don't want it. :P
[11:59] <gunndawg> ah ok, I like it, and will like it even better once its spaced
[11:59] <red2kic_> Now I'm having everything bold. Just for a test run.
[11:59] <gunndawg> red2kic_: blah blah blah, testing ur bold
[12:00] <red2kic_> I think it'll be nice in large channels. I know where I say and what others hilighted me at.
[12:00] <red2kic_> The rest will be just plain white. :)
[12:00] <gunndawg> I can see what I say with white text as my name and everyone else is green
[12:00] <red2kic_> Chat more, gunndawg.
[12:00] <gunndawg> red2kic_: screenshot: http://min.us/mvkxMKB
[12:01] <gunndawg> red2kic_: still without the right spacing, but its easy to see what I say, with the white
[12:01] <red2kic_> geirha have been helpful in my case. And he won a dollar from me. :P
[12:01] <gunndawg> I just think the hilight box is helpful incase I miss a PM or something
[12:02] <gunndawg> or if someone links me to something, I dont have to worry about losing it when the chat scrolls to much
[12:03] <red2kic_> Indeed. :)
[12:04] <geirha> Ah, that looks useful
[12:05] <red2kic_> geirha: Show off your irssi! SCreenshot!
[12:07] <red2kic_> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=136379
[12:07] <red2kic_> BOLD.
[12:08] <gunndawg> red2kic_: hate those colors, lol
[12:08] <red2kic_> I drive. :P
[12:09] <red2kic_> Red = STOP!
[12:09] <red2kic_> Meh. I like it. :)
[12:09] <gunndawg> I drive also
[12:09] <red2kic_> However, too much bold.
[12:09] <gunndawg> you use like 6 different colors in that theme
[12:09] <red2kic_> But if I don't talk much, it might be okay.
[12:10] <red2kic_> If I don't use bold green, it looks darker. :(
[12:10] <bioterror> move the offtopic theme conversation to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[12:11] <geirha> red2kic_: http://imagebin.org/136381
[12:11] <red2kic_> bioterror: We'll help people if they ask for it -- it's just really quiet right now.
[12:13] <bioterror> red2kic_, and this is a support channel and this channel gets logged
[12:13] <gunndawg> bioterror: chill out
[12:13] <bioterror> so, offtopic goes to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[12:14] <gunndawg> bioterror: we're helping each other with IRSSI
[12:14] <gunndawg> bioterror: so relax
[12:35] <casey> is there a way to refresh your gnome(desktop,rendering,whatever). I dragged some text in chrome and it got stuck in the middle of my screen
[12:37] <matt_h> casey:  have you tried hitting the Show Desktop button to see if it goes away?
[12:37] <casey> it stays
[12:38] <casey> it's on top of everything, kind of annoying
[12:38] <matt_h> try hitting CTRL + R
[12:39] <matt_h> sorry casey, I should have said get to your desktop and hit CTRL + R
[12:39] <casey> heh, ctrl+r  must be reconnect
[12:39] <casey> doesn't work on the desktop either
[12:40] <matt_h> hmm
[12:40] <red2kic_> casey: If you have any nautilus window open, close them. "nautilus -q" might do the job.
[12:40] <casey> I suppose I could logout and log back in and that would fix it... but i was trying to avoid that
[12:41] <casey> it's still there
[12:43] <casey> I was going to logout... but when I closed bluefish it went away
[12:44] <casey> was bluefish using nautilus or something?
[12:45] <matt_h> were you dragging text from chrome to bluefish?
[12:45] <casey> yeah, on accident
[12:45] <casey> and it got stuck in the middle of my screen
[12:45] <red2kic_> gunndawg: If you have irssi hooked up to libnotify or something similar, let me know.
[12:46] <matt_h> not 100% on the technical terms, but bluefish could have just had a "hiccup" rendering when the text came over and so it froze it on the screen...closing it destroyed the link to the bad rendering
[12:47] <gunndawg> red2kic_: I dont even know what libnotify is
[12:47] <red2kic_> gunndawg: Ah, I guess not. It's a popup. To notify you of something, Download completed. You got a message. Etc.
[12:49] <ibuclaw> red2kic_, I'm just generally always messing. :3
[12:49] <red2kic_> ibuclaw: Maybe not at first. I think. ;)
[12:50] <gunndawg> red2kic_: ah ok
[14:28] <benlyboy> hi when loging off one user sometime i don't get a log in screen to log back to another
[14:31] <benlyboy> hi I have ubuntu 10.10 when loging off  from one user, sometime i don't get a log in screen to log back to another Im just left with a blank screen
[15:14] <casey> I broke my gnome. It says I need to enable compositing and my windows have no close buttons
[15:16] <JoeMaverickSett> casey: press ctrl+F2 > type in "gconf-editor" > click the arrow beside "apps" > scroll down to "metacity"
[15:16] <casey> I tried that, the box is checked
[15:17] <JoeMaverickSett> casey: also see in button layout
[15:17] <JoeMaverickSett> casey: close,maximize,minimize:menu < -- i have this in my button layout
[15:17] <geirha> Try alt+f2 -> metacity --replace
[15:17] <JoeMaverickSett> may be type it in and you might get close button back
[15:17] <casey> crtl+F2 won't even work
[15:17] <JoeMaverickSett> oops alt+f2
[15:18]  * JoeMaverickSett facepalms
[15:18] <casey> no keyboard shortcuts work
[15:18] <JoeMaverickSett> geirha: thanks. :D
[15:19] <geirha> Alt+F2 doesn't work? Sounds like you've uninstalled gnome-panel, then.
[15:19] <JoeMaverickSett> may be "gksudo gconf-editor" from terminal?
[15:20] <geirha> Did you uninstall any package just prior to this happening?
[15:20] <casey> button layout has close, maximize, etc
[15:21] <JoeMaverickSett> casey: forgot to ask you, which version of ubuntu are you using? 10.10?
[15:21] <casey> I installed a game or two
[15:21] <casey> 10.10
[15:21] <casey> everything was fine... then rebooted and it broke
[15:22] <casey> UNR works fine.... but desktop edition is messed up
[15:27] <casey> I uninstalled compiz
[15:29] <JackyAlcine> casey: sudo apt-get install compiz*
[15:29] <casey> Is there anyway to revert to a previous state?
[15:29] <casey> run it with the * ?
[15:36] <casey> reinstalling compiz fixed it
[15:37] <JoeMaverickSett> casey: oh, so you uninstalled it and it happened? :\
[15:37] <casey> How can I safely uninstall compiz
[15:37] <casey> yep
[15:37] <casey> I thought i could run compiz on UNR 10.10
[15:38] <casey> apparently, you can't or atleast it wasn't working for me so I unistalled compiz.... hours later I rebooted and everything turned sour
[16:45] <_CommandeR_> anyone running archie here ?
[16:48] <AbhijiT> ??
[16:49] <_CommandeR_> got issues booting up after install, it complains that it cannot find the kernel etc
[16:49] <_CommandeR_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/563465/
[16:49] <_CommandeR_> arch is installed on sda7 but I cannot se anything wrong
[17:09] <bioterror> sorry commander, I'm using arch on my desktop and I have only one OS per computer
[18:05] <DiSTORT3D> I've got a question, i have an installed cli on a usb stick, is it possible to install from there it to a system without installer?
[18:13] <geirha> !install
[18:13] <ubot2> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[18:19] <DiSTORT3D> thx
[18:46] <kristian-aalborg> evening, all
[18:46] <kristian-aalborg> running DBAN on a machine with preinstalled windows... it should take care of any hidden partition, amirite?
[18:48] <AbhijiT> what is hidden partition?
[18:52] <kristian-aalborg> where Windows hides, on occasion ;)
[18:52] <AbhijiT> dont know of such partition.
[19:14] <DiSTORT3D> Other problem occured, running PXE , bootpd and tftpd-hpa, Netbook associates with the server runs installer, but at the point at configuring dhcp server it failed.
[19:16] <bioterror> sounds like your boot image is missing a working network module or something
[19:17] <DiSTORT3D> Yes and solution?
[19:17] <bioterror> if you have enough age, grab a beer from fridge ;)
[19:18] <bioterror> i have to check some scrollback
[19:25] <bioterror> DiSTORT3D, can you go to tty1?
[20:31] <yax51> does anyone know of a MSN chat client for ubuntu that works with video chat?
[20:31] <bioterror> amsn
[20:33] <yax51> hmmm amsn does't want to do video chat
[20:36] <kristian-aalborg> yax51: pidgin, perhaps?
[20:36] <yax51> kristian-aalborg: pidgin doesn't want to either
[20:36] <ATDPRHS> Anyone can help me in installing ubuntu manually on a specific hard drive without causing any changes to the other partitions specially windows partition? (I'm new at this, so please someone help me)
[20:37] <ATDPRHS> Anyone here?
[20:39] <ATDPRHS> Hello?
[20:39] <bioterror> hi
[20:40] <bioterror> you can easily choose from the installer "installe side-by-side"
[20:40] <holstein> ATDPRHS: backup your data
[20:40] <holstein> period
[20:41] <ATDPRHS> I backed up my data
[20:41] <holstein> that goes for messing with partitions in general
[20:41] <holstein> bad things can happen
[20:41] <holstein> have a backup plan
[20:41] <holstein> ATDPRHS: i would read...
[20:41] <ATDPRHS> hold on for a min.
[20:42] <bioterror> ATDPRHS, http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Ubuntu
[20:42] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[20:42] <ATDPRHS> the problem that I have
[20:42] <holstein> i can tell you how i did mine
[20:42] <ATDPRHS> is that it doesn't show me the specific drive that I awnt to install in
[20:42] <ATDPRHS> I deleted the drive that I created for ubuntu 30 GB
[20:42] <holstein> ATDPRHS: it = ?
[20:42] <ATDPRHS> so it doesn't have any assigned letter
[20:43] <holstein> the installer?
[20:43] <ATDPRHS> it = Ubuntu installer
[20:43] <ATDPRHS> yes
[20:43] <holstein> OK
[20:43] <ATDPRHS> ubuntu 10.10
[20:43] <holstein> its not going to say C:
[20:43] <holstein> or D:
[20:43] <ATDPRHS> yup
[20:43] <holstein> OK
[20:43] <ATDPRHS> and it still doesn't want to show me it in the installing so I can pick it
[20:43] <holstein> ATDPRHS: what i would suggest
[20:43] <holstein> go into the live desktop
[20:43] <holstein> just run gparted
[20:43] <holstein> and look around
[20:44] <ATDPRHS> can you please wait, till I load the live CD and install xchat?
[20:44] <holstein> make sure you see all the drives you think you should
[20:44] <holstein> ATDPRHS: sure
[20:44] <ATDPRHS> and be here again
[20:44] <ATDPRHS> so you will wait?
[20:44] <holstein> im around
[20:44] <holstein> im in and out
[20:44] <holstein> BUT somebody will be here if im not
[20:44] <holstein> i should be here for 20 or so
[20:44] <ATDPRHS> I'll be back as soon as possible...
[20:45] <holstein> :)
[20:45] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[20:45] <ATDPRHS> thanks
[20:52] <ATDPRHS> back
[20:52] <ATDPRHS> holstein
[20:52] <ATDPRHS> are you here?
[20:52] <holstein> ATDPRHS: yo
[20:52] <holstein> yeah, run gparted
[20:52] <ATDPRHS> Do you have to write ATDPRHS: ?
[20:52] <holstein> dont *do* anything
[20:52] <ATDPRHS> the live cd is loading
[20:52] <holstein> cool
[20:53] <holstein> ATDPRHS: ?
[20:53] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[20:53] <holstein> you mean, type your name?
[20:53] <ATDPRHS> yea
[20:53] <holstein> i hit at
[20:53] <holstein> or so
[20:53] <holstein> and hit tab
[20:53] <holstein> and it auto-completes
[20:53] <holstein> ATDPRHS: type
[20:53] <holstein> ho
[20:53] <holstein> and hit tab
[20:53] <ATDPRHS> ahhh
[20:53] <ATDPRHS> nice
[20:53] <holstein> :)
[20:53] <ATDPRHS> :-)
[20:54] <ATDPRHS> it seems Ubuntu 10.10 live cd is crashed because it froze
[20:54] <ATDPRHS> and I had to restart PC while it was on the operating system
[20:54] <holstein> ATDPRHS: thats one thing i would address
[20:54] <holstein> before installing
[20:54] <holstein> i like to see a live CD
[20:54] <holstein> running
[20:54] <holstein> all nice and happy
[20:54] <holstein> and easy
[20:54] <holstein> before i install
[20:55] <holstein> the live CD is a toll
[20:55] <holstein> tool*
[20:55] <ATDPRHS> yes
[20:55] <ATDPRHS> but it keeps freezing
[20:55] <holstein> and can give you an idea of hardware support
[20:55] <ATDPRHS> its froze now
[20:55] <ATDPRHS> again
[20:55] <holstein> ATDPRHS: try
[20:55] <holstein> right when the disc starts
[20:55] <holstein> after you hit power
[20:55] <holstein> hit 'shift'
[20:55] <holstein> then, after you choose the language
[20:55] <holstein> hit F6
[20:56] <holstein> and try 'nomodeset'
[20:56] <holstein> that will tell us something
[20:56] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[20:56] <ATDPRHS> before it loads the CD, I keep hitting shift, right?
[20:56] <kristian-aalborg> hi holstein
[20:57] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[20:57] <ATDPRHS> I got it
[20:57] <holstein> ATDPRHS: cool :)
[20:57] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: o/
[20:57] <ATDPRHS> nomodeset
[20:57] <ATDPRHS> then?
[20:57] <holstein> ATDPRHS: see if it hangs
[20:58] <ATDPRHS> it has X next to it
[20:58] <ATDPRHS> I can't go to try ubuntu
[20:58] <ATDPRHS> ok done
[20:58] <ATDPRHS> wait
[20:59] <ATDPRHS> Are you here holstein
[20:59] <ATDPRHS> ?
[21:00] <holstein> ATDPRHS: o/
[21:00] <holstein> you should know if its hanging or not
[21:01] <ATDPRHS> its loading
[21:01] <ATDPRHS> what is nomodeset is for?
[21:01] <holstein> ATDPRHS: im not hip to all hte particulars
[21:01] <holstein> BUT its a graphics fix
[21:01] <holstein> AFAIK
[21:01] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[21:01] <ATDPRHS> thanks...
[21:02] <holstein> ATDPRHS: nvidia ?
[21:02] <ATDPRHS> yup
[21:02] <holstein> OK
[21:02] <holstein> thats something to be aware of
[21:02] <ATDPRHS> I'm using HP DV6 i7 core
[21:02] <holstein> before installing
[21:02] <ATDPRHS> why?
[21:03] <holstein> because its hanging live
[21:03] <holstein> you'll need to read a bit
[21:03] <ATDPRHS> I opened GParted partition editor
[21:03] <holstein> and make some decisions
[21:03] <holstein> as to how you would like to deal with that issue
[21:04] <ATDPRHS> hmm
[21:04] <ATDPRHS> I think it started to hang when I pressed the function buttun which locks the touch pad because I  use external mouse
[21:06] <holstein> ATDPRHS: its hanging now?
[21:06] <ATDPRHS> Nope
[21:06] <ATDPRHS> I'm in GParted now
[21:06] <ATDPRHS> I see /dev/sda1 SYSTEM, size 992.5 KiB
[21:06] <holstein> ATDPRHS: try hitting that button
[21:07] <holstein> that you think locked it up
[21:07] <ATDPRHS> again?
[21:07] <holstein> my money is on the graphics driver
[21:07] <holstein> ATDPRHS: its reading from CD too
[21:07] <ATDPRHS> done
[21:07] <holstein> its not going to be 'peppy'
[21:07] <ATDPRHS> it hanged again :-)
[21:07] <ATDPRHS> i told you
[21:07] <holstein> im not sure thats bad though
[21:08] <ATDPRHS> Cuz I tried the live CD on my other two laptops :S
[21:08] <holstein> is the CD drive really spinning up?
[21:08] <ATDPRHS> I'm restarting it back again
[21:08] <holstein> ATDPRHS: the live CD ?
[21:08] <holstein> the whole thing?
[21:08] <ATDPRHS> yes
[21:08] <holstein> thats not good
[21:09] <ATDPRHS> yes
[21:09] <holstein> ATDPRHS: what is the model # ?
[21:09] <ATDPRHS> because it hanged up
[21:09] <holstein> ATDPRHS: unless the other machines are identical
[21:09] <ATDPRHS> again after locking the touch pad
[21:09] <holstein> in everyway
[21:09] <ATDPRHS> they all are HP
[21:09] <holstein> you really cant gain any info
[21:09] <ATDPRHS> except one is i7 and the other is i5
[21:09] <holstein> ATDPRHS: doesnt matter
[21:09] <holstein> gotta have the same hardware
[21:09] <holstein> thats already a different proc
[21:10] <holstein> who knows whatelse
[21:10] <ATDPRHS> I don't know
[21:10] <holstein> ATDPRHS: dont hit that button again ;)
[21:10] <ATDPRHS> haha
[21:10] <holstein> and lets get some info going
[21:10] <ATDPRHS> I won't :D
[21:10] <holstein> whats the model #
[21:10] <holstein> ?
[21:10] <ATDPRHS> model # of what?
[21:10] <ATDPRHS> the laptop?
[21:10] <holstein> and tell me when you get to desktop
[21:10] <holstein> ATDPRHS: yup
[21:11] <ATDPRHS> okayz, let me check from the buttom of the laptop
[21:11] <holstein> i have 2 machines right here, dv5000 and dv8000
[21:11] <holstein> quite differet hardware in them
[21:11] <ATDPRHS> dv6-2170ee
[21:12] <holstein> when you get to desktop
[21:12] <holstein> open a terminal
[21:12] <ATDPRHS> its loading
[21:12] <ATDPRHS> I'm on "Ubuntu 10.10" screen
[21:12] <holstein> IF its online
[21:12] <holstein> go to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:12] <holstein> and paste a few things in for me to look at
[21:13] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[21:14] <holstein> well, i see bugs filed
[21:14] <holstein> about that machine
[21:14] <holstein> so, we know it'll work
[21:15] <ATDPRHS> hmm, hopefully
[21:15] <ATDPRHS> its on the black screen now
[21:15] <ATDPRHS> I think it will load soon
[21:16] <ATDPRHS> I'm in
[21:16] <holstein> cool
[21:16] <holstein> go to the terminal
[21:16] <holstein> under assesories
[21:17] <holstein> hehe
[21:17] <ATDPRHS> done
[21:17] <holstein> accesories*
[21:17] <holstein> run
[21:17] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l
[21:17] <DiegoTc> is there any problem if i delete all the file in /var/cahe/apt/archives
[21:17] <DiegoTc> ?
[21:17] <holstein> DiegoTc: hmmm
[21:17] <holstein> isnt there a tool?
[21:18] <holstein> try 'computer janitor'
[21:18] <holstein> see what it removes
[21:18] <holstein> you dont want to upset apt
[21:18] <DiegoTc> I will do better sudo apt-get clean
[21:18] <ATDPRHS> start 26
[21:18] <ATDPRHS> ends at 38143
[21:19] <holstein> DiegoTc: looks like it *should* be ok
[21:19] <ATDPRHS> is that ~37 GB?
[21:19] <holstein> but i would wait til you hear from someone else on it
[21:19] <drubin> DiegoTc: No
[21:19] <holstein> ATDPRHS: paste the output here if you want
[21:19] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:20] <drubin> DiegoTc: You can happily delete them.
[21:20] <drubin> I do it all the time :)
[21:20] <ATDPRHS> is that a website that I should go in?
[21:20] <ATDPRHS> cuz i'm confused?
[21:20] <drubin> DiegoTc: But you do have to now that if you delete it you will have to download the packages again if you "reinstall" packages
[21:20] <holstein> ATDPRHS: thats a way that you can share the output of that file with me
[21:20] <holstein> if you'd like
[21:21] <ATDPRHS> I would like
[21:21] <ATDPRHS> I'm actually talking to you through my other laptop
[21:21] <holstein> right
[21:21] <holstein> so the other one would need to be wired up
[21:21] <holstein> for that to be easy
[21:21] <ATDPRHS> So I'll try to install xchat?
[21:21] <holstein> *networked, i should say
[21:21] <holstein> maybe you can get wifi working if you need
[21:21] <holstein> ATDPRHS: you dont have to
[21:21] <ATDPRHS> I've got it working
[21:22] <ATDPRHS> I'm connected to my network
[21:22] <holstein> you just need to paste the output into that site
[21:22] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:22] <holstein> you'll get a link
[21:22] <ATDPRHS> How?
[21:22] <holstein> give me that link
[21:22] <ATDPRHS> I don't know how to paste the output to that link?
[21:23] <holstein> ATDPRHS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/563571/
[21:23] <holstein> you paste into it
[21:23] <ATDPRHS> ahh
[21:23] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[21:23] <holstein> hit the 'paste!' button
[21:23] <holstein> and the URL changes
[21:23] <ATDPRHS> I understand something else
[21:23] <holstein> :)
[21:24] <ATDPRHS> I thought I type something into the terminal to paste the output or something :D
[21:24] <ATDPRHS> sorry
[21:24] <holstein> you can
[21:24] <holstein> you can install a package for that
[21:24] <holstein> but, this is easy too
[21:25] <ATDPRHS> alright
[21:25] <ATDPRHS> code
[21:25] <ATDPRHS> 563572
[21:25] <holstein> close enough
[21:25] <ATDPRHS> yeah
[21:25] <holstein> you can give me the entire URL if you want
[21:25] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563572/
[21:25] <ATDPRHS> yes
[21:25] <holstein> then i can just click on it
[21:25] <ATDPRHS> that is the output
[21:26] <holstein> BUT, im there :)
[21:26] <ATDPRHS> so?
[21:26] <holstein> so...
[21:26] <ATDPRHS> what do you think?
[21:26] <holstein> what have you done in there so far?
[21:27] <ATDPRHS> nothing
[21:27] <holstein> what are we looking at?
[21:27] <holstein> 4 windows installs?
[21:27] <ATDPRHS> I just have unassigned partion that it should be in range of 30-40 GB drive
[21:27] <holstein> encrypted?
[21:27] <ATDPRHS> that I want to install ubuntu over it
[21:28] <ATDPRHS> I don't think so
[21:28] <holstein> i would be nervous about Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[21:28] <holstein> and Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[21:28] <ATDPRHS> I have windows 7 installed
[21:28] <ATDPRHS> and I don't wanna lose it
[21:28] <ATDPRHS> it has all my work
[21:29] <ATDPRHS> and I would like to use both
[21:29] <ATDPRHS> and I have recover partition which cannot be lost...
[21:29] <holstein> right
[21:29] <holstein> backup your work though
[21:29] <ATDPRHS> I backed up my work
[21:29] <holstein> because this *could* easily break
[21:29] <ATDPRHS> but i can't back up the recovery partition
[21:29] <holstein> well, you should read
[21:29] <holstein> and research
[21:30] <holstein> and make sure you dont break that then
[21:30] <holstein> ATDPRHS: you have win7 installed
[21:30] <ATDPRHS> yes
[21:30] <ATDPRHS> Ultimate
[21:30] <holstein> and an archive partition
[21:30] <ATDPRHS> yes
[21:30] <holstein> and the other2?
[21:31] <ATDPRHS> In windows
[21:31] <ATDPRHS> it says
[21:31] <ATDPRHS> that I have
[21:31] <ATDPRHS> C, D, E, G, H
[21:31] <ATDPRHS> C Windows 7
[21:31] <holstein> well, these are all SFS
[21:31] <ATDPRHS> yes
[21:31] <holstein> im not sure how the buntu installer sees those
[21:31] <ATDPRHS> but I remember I deleted H I guess
[21:32] <ATDPRHS> so it no longer exists in "Computer" in win7
[21:32] <holstein> ubuntu *should be asking you to install on the empty space
[21:32] <holstein> the space that you made
[21:32] <ATDPRHS> I don't see that it asks for that
[21:32] <holstein> in the 'side by side' option
[21:33] <ATDPRHS> i haven't seen that Side by Side
[21:33] <holstein> i think like bioterror suggested
[21:33] <ATDPRHS> I've been around it since 2 days ago
[21:33] <ATDPRHS> and can't find it
[21:33] <holstein> i'll look
[21:33] <holstein> ATDPRHS: do this...
[21:33] <holstein> in the terminal
[21:33] <holstein> run
[21:33] <holstein> lspci
[21:33] <holstein> and put that in pastebin as well
[21:34] <holstein> then, reboot into the installer
[21:35] <ATDPRHS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563575/
[21:35] <ATDPRHS> this time its posted by ATD
[21:35] <ATDPRHS> can't I open the installer from the live?
[21:36] <ATDPRHS> or do I have to reboot?
[21:36] <holstein> ATDPRHS: good point
[21:36] <holstein> i'll boot into the installer, and catch up with you
[21:36] <holstein> and you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[21:36] <holstein> in the meantime
[21:36] <holstein> ATDPRHS: to dual boot
[21:36] <holstein> you'll need to replace the boot loader
[21:36] <holstein> that should make you nervous
[21:36] <holstein> windows wont boot linux though
[21:36] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[21:37] <ATDPRHS> I know about that, I tried grub before
[21:37] <holstein> so, you have to use GRUB or something friendly to both lin and win
[21:37] <holstein> OH, ok
[21:37] <ATDPRHS> Do I reboot?
[21:37] <holstein> not yet
[21:37] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[21:37] <holstein> im about to run the installer as well
[21:37] <holstein> you can lauch that too
[21:38] <holstein> launch*
[21:38] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[21:38] <ATDPRHS> I launched the installer from the live CD desktop
[21:39] <holstein> ATDPRHS: step 3
[21:39] <holstein> 'install alongside other operating systems'
[21:39] <ATDPRHS> I don't have that option?
[21:39] <ATDPRHS> Are you using Ubuntu 10.10 Live CD?
[21:39] <holstein> yup
[21:39] <holstein> the only thing i can thing of
[21:40] <holstein> is that i havent ever used SFS partitions
[21:40] <holstein> BUT, you have empty space
[21:40] <holstein> *in theory
[21:40] <ATDPRHS> yes
[21:40] <holstein> how about
[21:40] <holstein> specify manually
[21:40] <holstein> ?
[21:40] <holstein> you have that?
[21:40] <ATDPRHS> Wait
[21:40] <ATDPRHS> let me check
[21:40] <ATDPRHS> I'm clicking forward
[21:41] <ATDPRHS> I have two options
[21:41] <holstein> this is 'allocate drive space'
[21:41] <holstein> that step
[21:41] <ATDPRHS> Erase and use the entire disk
[21:41] <holstein> right
[21:41] <ATDPRHS> specify partitions manually (Advanced)
[21:41] <holstein> ATDPRHS: is that the only option?
[21:41] <holstein> yeah
[21:41] <ATDPRHS> I'll go into the other one ofcourse
[21:41] <holstein> if thats all you got
[21:41] <ATDPRHS> yes
[21:41] <holstein> *specify manually
[21:41] <ATDPRHS> thats all I got
[21:41] <holstein> you should see the drive there
[21:42] <holstein> all the partitions
[21:42] <ATDPRHS> I do
[21:42] <holstein> in colors
[21:42] <ATDPRHS> yes
[21:42] <ATDPRHS> sda1 green
[21:42] <ATDPRHS> sda2 orange
[21:42] <ATDPRHS> sda3 ntfs
[21:42] <holstein> ATDPRHS: you'll need at least 1 partition
[21:42] <ATDPRHS> sda4 ntfs
[21:42] <holstein> for linux
[21:42] <holstein> you'll probably want 2
[21:42] <holstein> probably a big ext partition
[21:42] <holstein> and swap space
[21:43] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[21:43] <ATDPRHS> but wait
[21:43] <holstein> thats how the automagic installer would do it
[21:43] <ATDPRHS> I see the partition sizes 1 MB, 208 MB, 313524 MB (used 54073 MB), 326400 MB (Used 14984 MB)
[21:44] <holstein> right
[21:44] <holstein> you should see the empty space you made
[21:44] <ATDPRHS> I can't see my 30-40 GB partition that I deleted through windows to prepare it for ubuntu
[21:44] <kristian-aalborg> I have a partition that I would like to keep "in case", and the rest partitioned automatically for an install... how do I do it?
[21:44] <holstein> im not sure how that works
[21:44] <holstein> i use Gparted for that
[21:45] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: i would use something like clonezilla
[21:45] <holstein> something to back that up
[21:45] <holstein> just in case
[21:45] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[21:45] <kristian-aalborg> I think I remembert having done it with the default tools
[21:45] <ATDPRHS> I Open the GParted?
[21:45] <holstein> but, the manual partitioning will let you do whatever you want
[21:45] <holstein> ATDPRHS: well, im saying
[21:45] <holstein> i would have used Gparted
[21:45] <holstein> for the first job
[21:45] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[21:46] <kristian-aalborg> I have nothing on the partition right now... I'd just like to save some space if I want another OS
[21:46] <ATDPRHS> Do I go back to windows and recreate that partition then go back to Ubuntu?
[21:46] <holstein> im not sure how windows deletes partitions
[21:46] <holstein> ATDPRHS: im not sure
[21:46] <holstein> you got those error messages too
[21:46] <holstein> that it seems like windows created
[21:46] <holstein> maybe not
[21:46] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you can always resize later
[21:46] <holstein> with Gparted
[21:46] <holstein> in that case
[21:47] <holstein> ATDPRHS: on my new-ish machine
[21:47] <holstein> i had 2 ntfs partitions
[21:47] <holstein> the OS was using
[21:47] <holstein> win 7
[21:47] <holstein> and a restore part
[21:48] <holstein> i used Gparted
[21:48] <ATDPRHS> I got an idea
[21:48] <holstein> kept the restore part
[21:48] <holstein> removed one ntfs part
[21:48] <holstein> and shrunk the other one
[21:48] <holstein> then, used the remaining space
[21:48] <holstein> to install 10.04
[21:48] <holstein> ATDPRHS: thats another option
[21:48] <holstein> try the 10.04 live installer
[21:49] <holstein> or, an alternate installer
[21:49] <kristian-aalborg> hmm... I think I got it... I made an / a /home and a /swap - enough?
[21:49] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: sure
[21:49] <ATDPRHS> Okayz
[21:49] <ATDPRHS> It sees ATDPRHS which I created later
[21:49] <ATDPRHS> in GParted
[21:49]  * kristian-aalborg tries
[21:49] <holstein> if it were my drive
[21:50] <ATDPRHS> I'm gonna restart to windows and create the deleted partition, I think it will be seen through GParted
[21:50] <holstein> i would be worried about those error messages
[21:50] <holstein> ATDPRHS: go for it :)
[21:51] <ATDPRHS> give me 3 min.
[21:54] <ATDPRHS> 34098 MB is the drive I will create now
[21:54] <ATDPRHS> H
[21:55] <ATDPRHS> Done
[21:55] <ATDPRHS> I'll go back to Ubuntu, ok?
[21:55] <ATDPRHS> holstein
[21:55] <ATDPRHS> are you here?
[22:00] <holstein> ATDPRHS: hey
[22:01] <ATDPRHS> hey
[22:01] <ATDPRHS> I'm loading the ubuntu Live Desktop again
[22:01] <ATDPRHS> its loading
[22:01] <holstein> whats the plan?
[22:02] <holstein> you want to try the 10.04 installer?
[22:02] <ATDPRHS> umm
[22:02] <ATDPRHS> No
[22:02] <ATDPRHS> sorry...
[22:02] <holstein> thats what i would suggest
[22:02] <holstein> its an LTS
[22:03] <holstein> you only got a couple months till 11.04
[22:03] <holstein> anyways
[22:03] <holstein> do what you feel ;)
[22:03] <holstein> :)
[22:03] <ATDPRHS> lolz
[22:03] <ATDPRHS> sorry...
[22:04] <ATDPRHS> I'll open GParted
[22:04] <holstein> sure
[22:04] <holstein> or the installer
[22:04] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[22:04] <ATDPRHS> Now I see it
[22:04] <ATDPRHS> its sda4
[22:04] <holstein> :)
[22:04] <holstein> progress
[22:05] <ATDPRHS> I'm activating the wireless
[22:05] <ATDPRHS> and connecting to my network to get internet
[22:05] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning
[22:05] <holstein> that too ^^
[22:05] <seidos> anyone have any ideas on what to do about a nonfunctioning  sd-card reader on a notebook?
[22:06] <holstein> you can only have 4 primary partitions
[22:06] <holstein> seidos: try Gparte
[22:06] <holstein> d
[22:06] <ATDPRHS> I can't activate my wireless
[22:06] <holstein> format it
[22:06] <ATDPRHS> it gives me errors while installing it
[22:06] <ATDPRHS> saying installArchives() failed
[22:06] <holstein> ATDPRHS: if its not online
[22:06] <seidos> holstein: nothing shows up in /dev/
[22:06] <holstein> you cant DL the package it needs
[22:07] <holstein> seidos: thats bad
[22:07] <holstein> might be dead then
[22:07] <holstein> seidos: is it the 'reader'
[22:07] <holstein> or the card
[22:07] <holstein> ?
[22:07] <holstein> that should be easy enough to determine
[22:07] <holstein> assuming you have 2 cards
[22:07] <ATDPRHS> How do I get back to the devices?
[22:07] <seidos> holstein: probably the reader.  it does this.  it has worked before, but not reliably
[22:07] <holstein> and 2 readers
[22:08] <holstein> seidos: try a different kernel
[22:08] <holstein> maybe one of your old kernels
[22:08] <holstein> ATDPRHS: what devices?
[22:08] <seidos> holstein: good idea.  hmmm...what was the karmic kernel...
[22:08] <ATDPRHS> i want to install the wireless device
[22:09] <holstein> system - administration - hardware drivers ATDPRHS ?
[22:09] <holstein> seidos: i would just burn a live CD
[22:09] <holstein> if i wanted to go back that far
[22:09] <ATDPRHS> I can't find it
[22:09] <holstein> i was thinking just one of the old ones you have hanging around in grub
[22:09] <seidos> holstein: i don't have cd's.  i got a usb stick.  i guess i could try that
[22:09] <holstein> seidos: yup :)
[22:09] <holstein> unetbootin
[22:09] <ATDPRHS> found it
[22:09] <ATDPRHS> additional drivers
[22:10] <ATDPRHS> I guess its it...
[22:10] <holstein> ATDPRHS: sounds like it
[22:11] <ATDPRHS> Connected to the internet now
[22:11] <ATDPRHS> I'm gonna launch the installer
[22:12] <ATDPRHS> I'm in
[22:12] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[22:12] <ATDPRHS> sda4 is 326400 MB and used 3221 MB
[22:12] <ATDPRHS> how?
[22:12] <DiSTORT3D> lol oddness ubuntu installed automatic a pae kernel image on my netbook wich has only 1 GB
[22:13] <bioterror> DiSTORT3D, I think alternative installation uses pae automaticly
[22:13] <holstein> DiSTORT3D: hehe
[22:13] <ATDPRHS> in GParted, it says the name correct
[22:13] <bioterror> by default
[22:13] <holstein> ive seen that before too
[22:13] <ATDPRHS> but the size and used are weird...
[22:13] <DiSTORT3D> Ok :P
[22:13] <holstein> DiSTORT3D: with the same USB stick
[22:13] <DiSTORT3D> didnt know that.
[22:13] <bioterror> DiSTORT3D, so did you do alternate install?
[22:13] <holstein> installing on the same EEE
[22:13] <holstein> to 2 different drives
[22:14] <DiSTORT3D> i did net install from local repo
[22:14] <holstein> one got a -generic
[22:14] <holstein> the other a PAE ;)
[22:14] <bioterror> DiSTORT3D, almost same then ;)
[22:14] <holstein> ATDPRHS: be careful in there
[22:14] <holstein> look before you leap
[22:15] <holstein> i gotta run for a bit... BBL
[22:15] <ATDPRHS> Do I trust in the name of the partition cuz the label of the partition is correct
[22:15] <ATDPRHS> ?
[22:15] <ATDPRHS> I double clicked the sda4 in the installer
[22:15] <bioterror> ATDPRHS, in terminal: sudo blkid
[22:15] <ATDPRHS> and it showed me new partition size in mb 326400 which I think this is the size of the drive?
[22:15] <bioterror> it should tell you which device, UUID and label
[22:17] <ATDPRHS> okayz, its sda4 that I want to install ubuntu on
[22:18] <ATDPRHS> What do I do?
[22:18] <bioterror> click next 10 times :D
[22:18] <ATDPRHS> lolz
[22:19] <ATDPRHS> You wanna get rid of me? :D
[22:19] <bioterror> njaeh, I'm off to bed ;)
[22:19] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[22:19] <bioterror> it's not really that hard
[22:19] <ATDPRHS> I wanna install ubuntu on that drive
[22:19] <ATDPRHS> without causing any damage to other drives
[22:19] <bioterror> ATDPRHS, i pasted you url earlier
[22:20] <ATDPRHS> I haven't noticed
[22:20] <ATDPRHS> can you please repaste it?
[22:20] <bioterror> Sun22:42*<+bioterror> ATDPRHS, http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Ubuntu
[22:22] <ATDPRHS> I want to do it manually
[22:22] <bioterror> why?
[22:22] <ATDPRHS> Because I don't want to change anything in the hard drive
[22:23] <ATDPRHS> I want to make the 30 GB drive for Ubuntu
[22:23] <ATDPRHS> I have about 3 partitions that I would like to keep them the way they are
[22:24] <bioterror> then you can choose that your partition
[22:24] <ATDPRHS> the 4th one that is sda4 is the one that I would like to install it over it
[22:24] <ATDPRHS> How?
[22:24] <bioterror> Specify partitions manually, ofcourse
[22:25] <ATDPRHS> Okayz
[22:25] <ATDPRHS> I'm inside
[22:25] <ATDPRHS> Then?
[22:25] <bioterror> you have to specify / and swap
[22:25] <ATDPRHS> I clicked over the sda4
[22:25] <ATDPRHS> what do I do?
[22:26] <ATDPRHS> Please
[22:26] <ATDPRHS> I wanna do it, so please help me...
[22:26] <ATDPRHS> I don't know how...
[22:26] <ATDPRHS> to do the specify and swap thing...
[22:26] <seidos> is an alternate iso "live"?
[22:26] <bioterror> seidos, no
[22:27] <bioterror> it's a debian text installer
[22:27] <seidos> d'oh
[22:27] <ATDPRHS> bioterror?
[22:28] <bioterror> ATDPRHS, you say 1.5x the RAM for your SWAP and rest for /
[22:28] <ATDPRHS> 1.5 GB?
[22:28] <bioterror> I dunno your system configuration
[22:29] <bioterror> but if you have 1GB, then it's let's say 1.5GB
[22:29] <ATDPRHS> Are you talking about the drive size that I want to install ubuntu on?
[22:29] <ATDPRHS> ahh
[22:30] <ATDPRHS> My laptop's RAM is 4 GB
[22:30] <bioterror> do the math
[22:30] <ATDPRHS> So I'll give the swap 1536
[22:30] <ATDPRHS> MB
[22:30] <bioterror> my ram usage is atm. 343/1.46GB
[22:31] <ATDPRHS> for the swab area
[22:31] <bioterror> I dont know what you're going to do
[22:31] <bioterror> how much ram you're going to use and are you going to hibernate
[22:31] <ATDPRHS> Okayz
[22:31] <DiSTORT3D> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=paWRV88M
[22:31] <ATDPRHS> Okayz
[22:32] <ATDPRHS> I've chose the swap
[22:32] <ATDPRHS> then?
[22:32] <bioterror> you specify /
[22:32] <bioterror> rest for it
[22:32] <ATDPRHS> I created new partion that is swap
[22:32] <ATDPRHS> what other partitions I should create?
[22:32] <bioterror> and now you create another one and it's mount point is /
[22:32] <bioterror> and all the space left is allocated for /
[22:33] <ATDPRHS> its loading
[22:34] <ATDPRHS> after the manual installation, will it damage my other operating system bioterror?
[22:34] <bioterror> why would it damage?
[22:35] <bioterror> ATDPRHS, I hope you chose ext4 as the filesystem
[22:35] <bioterror> as it's the golden path of FS
[22:35] <ATDPRHS> does it usually take long?
[22:35] <bioterror> I can install lubuntu in 20mins from USB pendrive
[22:35] <bioterror> arch takes ̃~10mins and I'm leeching stuff
[22:38] <ATDPRHS> I'm talking about creating the swap
[22:38] <bioterror> what
[22:39] <bioterror> it takes like minute or something
[22:39] <ATDPRHS> its taking long
[22:39] <ATDPRHS> it still showing that its creating
[22:40] <ATDPRHS> the mouse pointer is still showing that its loading :S
[22:40] <bioterror> ofcourse, it will create / and swap at the same time
[22:40] <bioterror> afair
[22:40] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[22:41] <ATDPRHS> So how long you been linux user?
[22:41] <bioterror> since '98
[22:41] <ATDPRHS> hmm
[22:41] <ATDPRHS> This is my first time...
[22:42] <bioterror>  well have our first times
[22:42] <ATDPRHS> I've tried many times before but always stuck at the installation
[22:42] <ATDPRHS> its like since 5 years
[22:42] <ATDPRHS> yeah
[22:42] <ATDPRHS> Are you sure it takes a minute to create the swap?
[22:42] <ATDPRHS> cuz its still working on that
[22:43] <bioterror> pretty much, right MrChrisDruif
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[22:44] <bioterror> but I have to get to bed
[22:44] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[22:44] <bioterror> it's 00:44 and my phone wakes me up 05:30
[22:44] <ATDPRHS> thanks bioterror
[22:44] <ATDPRHS> sorry...
[22:44] <bioterror> but something aint right or something if it takes that long
[22:44] <bioterror> have you chosen the filesystem for the /?
[22:44] <ATDPRHS> not yet
[22:44] <ATDPRHS> its still loading
[22:45] <ATDPRHS> for the swap
[22:45] <bioterror> :P
[22:45] <bioterror> it should not take this long
[22:45] <ATDPRHS> do I close it?
[22:45] <bioterror> can you start any applications
[22:45] <ATDPRHS> and run it again?
[22:45] <bioterror> or something
[22:45] <ATDPRHS> yes
[22:46] <ATDPRHS> yeah
[22:46] <ATDPRHS> I can
[22:46] <ATDPRHS> so do I quit it the installer
[22:46] <ATDPRHS> and try again?
[22:46] <ATDPRHS> or wait?
[22:46] <bioterror> you can quit it and try again
[22:48] <ATDPRHS> I quit it
[22:48] <ATDPRHS> but I'm trying to reopen it
[22:48] <ATDPRHS> done
[22:49] <ATDPRHS> do I make it logical or primary?
[22:50] <bioterror> windows wants to be parimary
[22:50] <ATDPRHS> yes
[22:50] <ATDPRHS> I don't wanna lose windows
[22:50] <ATDPRHS> so I make it logical?
[22:50] <ATDPRHS> the swap
[22:50] <ATDPRHS> logical?
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: On a logical partition you can put (up to 4 I thought) primary partitions (HDD are limited to 4 primary partition)....swap is counted as an primary partition
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[22:53] <ATDPRHS> thank you MrChrisDruif
[22:53] <ATDPRHS> I'm new at this...
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> I was thinking that O:-)
[22:54] <MrChrisDruif> I've been idling at this channel for 2 hours or something...
[22:54] <MrChrisDruif> Been busy with other things
[22:54] <ATDPRHS> whats the difference between beginning and end?
[22:54] <ATDPRHS> in creating the partions?
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> Placement on the disk drive
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> I thought beginning was nearer to the center...hence better for swap
[22:55] <ATDPRHS> It doesn't let me create another partition after creating the swap?
[22:56] <MrChrisDruif> How much partitions are you currently having?
[22:56] <ATDPRHS> sda1 -> 3 without swap
[22:56] <ATDPRHS> they are for the windows
[22:57] <ATDPRHS> I deleted sda4 then create from the free space to swap as 2 GB
[22:57] <ATDPRHS> I make it (primary and beginning, swap area, MB 2048)
[22:57] <ATDPRHS> So what do I do?
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> So you have a Windows partition and 3 others?
[22:58] <ATDPRHS> Windows Partition and 2 others
[22:59] <DiSTORT3D> Fetched 174MB in 16s (10.3MB/s)  ^^
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> Well....if SWAP is another partition you create...then your up to 4 right?
[22:59] <ATDPRHS> yes
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> What are on the other two partitions?
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> DiSTORT3D: Good going ;)
[23:00] <ATDPRHS> recovery and a personal drive
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> Alright....I think you don't want to lose those two....hence my next idea ;)
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> Convert the total amount of remaining disk space into an logical partition
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> After that add SWAP and / partition
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> 's
[23:02] <ATDPRHS> what is the type of the logical partication?
[23:02] <ATDPRHS> use as?
[23:02] <ATDPRHS> I mean
[23:02] <ATDPRHS> what use as of it?
[23:02] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[23:03] <ATDPRHS> ahh
[23:03] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[23:03] <ATDPRHS> hold on
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> *holding*
[23:04] <ATDPRHS> how much / should be?
[23:04] <ATDPRHS> which one is it?
[23:04] <ATDPRHS> in "Use as"
[23:04] <ATDPRHS> I see Ext4, 3, 2, reiserFS, btrfs, JFS, XFS, FAT16&32, swap
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> How much space have you got? I would say Ext4 and everything that remains after you've created swap :)
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> (At least for now O:-))
[23:05] <ATDPRHS> Okayz
[23:06] <ATDPRHS> Now I created 2 GB Swap and the rest are Ext 4
[23:06] <ATDPRHS> thats it?
[23:06] <ATDPRHS> Do I click install?
[23:06] <MrChrisDruif> Yes :)
[23:06] <MrChrisDruif> (More advanced would be to also create a separate /home, keeping you data safe after a fresh install
[23:06] <MrChrisDruif> )
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> But that can also be added after your all set  :)
[23:07] <ATDPRHS> so / is for the ubuntu operating system files
[23:07] <ATDPRHS> and /home is for my data
[23:07] <ATDPRHS> what else?
[23:08] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, but /home is a sub-folder, so it's still created but now part of the root partition (/ == root)
[23:09] <MrChrisDruif> Ow....you've also got a /boot and lots of other bits and pieces....but even I don't really care for those :P
[23:09] <ATDPRHS> I want both
[23:10] <ATDPRHS> Ubuntu and win7
[23:10] <ATDPRHS> Win7 is already installed
[23:10] <ATDPRHS> and i'm now confused
[23:10] <ATDPRHS> and I created the / (20 GB out of 30 GB)
[23:10] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, and now you installing Ubuntu :)
[23:10] <distort3d> I have 2 different linux, both use the same swap :D
[23:11] <MrChrisDruif> distort3d: Yeah, that's fine :)
[23:11] <ATDPRHS> and when I try to create one for home, it shows me that there is 30 GB available :S
[23:11] <ATDPRHS> haha
[23:11] <ATDPRHS> I'm tired of this...
[23:12] <MrChrisDruif> I've heard it's better to have a separate /data for you data when you want to use two Linux's with the same data access...
[23:12] <MrChrisDruif> I'm going to look into that, so don't hold me on it :P
[23:13] <distort3d> Swap is erased at boot right?
[23:14] <distort3d> atleast i dont have any problems with any of them, 1 is rhel 6 the other ubuntu
[23:14] <MrChrisDruif> distort3d: How do you mean?
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> (I think at shutdown, but it's just room for program to write data which is going to be used....an extension for the RAM)
[23:16] <ATDPRHS> OK
[23:16] <ATDPRHS> I think
[23:16] <ATDPRHS> I cleaned my hard disk :-)
[23:16] <ATDPRHS> I lost everything
[23:16] <ATDPRHS> so It doesn't matter more
[23:17] <distort3d> 2 different linux's both on seperated disc' only swap is shared. on another disc.
[23:17] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: I don't know :)
[23:17] <ATDPRHS> Just a final question
[23:17] <ATDPRHS> now that I don't have anymore windows
[23:17] <ATDPRHS> Do I install Ubuntu
[23:17] <ATDPRHS> then install windows?
[23:18] <ATDPRHS> or windows first?
[23:18] <ATDPRHS> to keep both?
[23:18] <MrChrisDruif> I would suggest Windows first, Ubuntu should be able to detect Windows and add it to grub...the other way around doesn't really work well :)
[23:23] <ATDPRHS> Now I remembered that I have 50 GB of files that I didnt back them up
[23:23] <ATDPRHS> Now I remembered that I have 50 GB of files that I didnt back them up:-)
[23:23] <ATDPRHS> :-)
[23:23] <ATDPRHS> *
[23:24] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: Don't feel desperate, try to boot a live CD and see how much you can salvage :)
[23:25] <ATDPRHS> Windows doesn't want to detect the hard disk even
[23:26] <MrChrisDruif> Try an Linux liveCD, better at detecting etc of hdd's
[23:26] <ATDPRHS> basically
[23:26] <ATDPRHS> through linus
[23:26] <ATDPRHS> linux
[23:27] <ATDPRHS> I create new partitions that should be NTFS, right?
[23:29] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: First try to mount the drive while in the liveCD and see if you can find any of the files you (think) you lost
[23:29] <ATDPRHS> okayz
[23:30] <distort3d> best dual boot is 2 seperated disc, both with there own mbr.
[23:31] <MrChrisDruif> distort3d: I've dual booted with Windows on the same disk (only an attempt of triple boot failed miserably :P)
[23:32] <ATDPRHS> the driver that it should have the files
[23:32] <MrChrisDruif> That's when I've completely moved to Ubuntu :D
[23:32] <ATDPRHS> is the one that has been lost
[23:32] <ATDPRHS> windows does not want to boat, its still there
[23:32] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, this is weird
[23:32] <MrChrisDruif> Like I said, you only thought it was lost :)
[23:33] <kristian-aalborg> I installed Tiny Core Linux by the book, and I can't see it in grub
[23:33] <ATDPRHS> It doesn't matter anymore the windows
[23:33] <MrChrisDruif> Probably the MBR of Windows was lost/corrupted or something...
[23:33] <ATDPRHS> I want to repartition the hard disk
[23:33] <ATDPRHS> for both windows and linux
[23:34] <ATDPRHS> so i install both after each other
[23:34] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: Why doesn't it matter anymore? Want to switch completely to Ubuntu? :P
[23:34] <distort3d> I have 1 disc with windows on it, but its just standing on the desktop doing nothing 320 GB Filesystem, System Reserved (i wonder what for still waiting)
[23:34] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: First back up those files and your good to go :)
[23:35] <ATDPRHS> Windows is fully backed up
[23:35] <MrChrisDruif> Alright :)
[23:36] <ATDPRHS> How do I delete the partitions?
[23:36] <ATDPRHS> through GParted
[23:36] <ATDPRHS> and create new ones for both windows and Linux
[23:36] <ATDPRHS> so that after then I install windows then Ubuntu directly
[23:36] <MrChrisDruif> Yup :) (Just deleting them would do the trick I even think :)
[23:36] <madsailor> hello all.  Just asked in #ubuntu-offtopic, but though I'd ask here too: I have some plymouth themes that I developed and would like to share.  Where is the best place to have them hosted online?
[23:37] <ATDPRHS> there are two partitions I can't delete
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> madsailor: deviant-art? Gnome-look?
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: Are the mounted?
[23:37] <ATDPRHS> I guess
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> When you right-click them you should be able to selected unmount
[23:38] <ATDPRHS> GParted crached
[23:38] <ATDPRHS> when I unmounted them
[23:38] <madsailor> MrChrisDruif, alright, I'll take a look.  are they free?
[23:38] <ATDPRHS> it doesn't want to open again
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> madsailor: yes
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: You are in a LiveCD right?
[23:39] <ATDPRHS> yes
[23:39] <madsailor> MrChrisDruif, great.  Thanks
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> madsailor: Also try a google search for "hosting plymouth themes"
[23:40] <ATDPRHS> MrChrisDruif, what do I do?
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: How do you mean opening?
[23:40] <distort3d> With my netbook i get on every restart, disk sda5 is not mounted.
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> In the file-manager?
[23:40] <ATDPRHS> I can't reopen GParted after it crached
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> When does it crash?
[23:42] <ATDPRHS> When I unmounted the second partitino
[23:42] <ATDPRHS> partition
[23:42] <ATDPRHS> I opened disutility
[23:43] <distort3d> buh swap not mounted Swap size 0 bytes
[23:43] <ATDPRHS> disk utility
[23:49] <SpaceDuck> Is there a lightweight alternative to Nautilus?
[23:49] <MrChrisDruif> SpaceDuck: Plenty :)
[23:50] <SpaceDuck> Any recommendations for UNR 10.10 ?
[23:51] <ATDPRHS> Can I PM you MrChrisDruif
[23:51] <ATDPRHS> ?
[23:51] <MrChrisDruif> ATDPRHS: yeah, but not for long....I want to go to bed :P
[23:51] <distort3d> thunar
[23:51] <distort3d> or xfe
[23:52] <MrChrisDruif> PCmanFM is another one :P