[00:30] <ari-tczew> Debian 6.0 released!
[00:34] <agronholm> where has it been announced
[00:34] <agronholm> not on the web site at least
[00:40] <ari-tczew> agronholm: #debian channel
[00:41] <Laney> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/
[00:42] <agronholm> a list of changes from the previous version would be nice
[00:43] <Laney> every package comes with a changelog
[00:44] <agronholm> yeah but the highlights
[00:44] <Laney> http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html
[00:44] <ari-tczew> Laney: 52+ CDs?
[00:44] <agronholm> oh, goodie.
[00:45] <Laney> ari-tczew: yeah, nice eh?
[00:45] <ari-tczew> Laney: too much :P I prefer to netinst ;-)
[00:46] <Laney> you only need CD1 to install
[00:46] <DktrKranz> agronholm: well, if you want, I can prepare a *full* changelog... it's a 15 MB file though :)
[00:47] <agronholm> DktrKranz: no, this is what I wanted to see
[00:47] <DktrKranz> ari-tczew: yeah, per arch
[00:48] <Laney> are they ordered by popcon inst?
[00:49] <DktrKranz> CDs, you mean?
[00:49] <Laney> yeah
[00:50] <Laney> ones in tasks in CD1 presumably, then …
[00:50] <DktrKranz> mmh, no
[00:50] <DktrKranz> debian-cd is in charge to determine what goes into which CD
[00:51] <Laney> yeah, i was just wondering how it's done
[00:52] <Laney> surely they don't manually determine which package goes on every one of 52*arch CDs ;-)
[00:53] <DktrKranz> suuure
[00:53]  * sebner dances in excitement ~o~ ~o~ ~o~
[01:02] <dupondje> could somebody check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/290177 ? Seems like this is still occuring :(
[01:02] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 290177 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "[huawei/option] NM 0.7: GSM connections won't work with PIN code protected modems - despite having supplied the correct PIN for the connection in nm-connection-editor" [Medium,Triaged]
[02:19] <evfool> hi all
[02:19] <evfool> could anyone allow my bugday announcement mail on ubuntu-devel-announce list, please?
[03:21]  * psusi wonders where Keybuck has been
[03:24] <lifeless> california?
[03:25] <psusi> what's in california?
[03:26] <lifeless> google
[03:26] <psusi> what's going on there?
[03:26] <lifeless> tis where he works now
[03:26] <psusi> oh crap
[03:26] <lifeless> working on upstart stuff I believe.
[03:27] <psusi> does that mean I need to find someone else to sponsor my patches to ureadahead?
[03:29] <lifeless> hes still a core dev etc
[03:32] <micahg> psusi: you can subscribe ubuntu-sponsors unless it's urgent, one of the patch pilots should get to it
[03:35] <psusi> ohh... he is?  I see
[03:40] <micahg> is apport enabled by default in natty yet?
[03:42] <ohsix> i thought it was disabled always during development releases
[03:43] <ohsix> er, enabled rather
[03:43] <micahg> ohsix: it's supposed to be enabled during development releases, but idr when it actually gets enabled
[03:44] <ohsix> shrug, i just turn it on always in /etc/default/apport
[03:44] <micahg> yep, it was enabled for alpha 2
[05:15] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:15] <ubottu> Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[05:15] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:15] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:15] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:15] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:15] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:15] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:15] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:15] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:15] <Hobbsee> shame on you, idiot.
[05:17] <nigelb> heh
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[10:15] <sveinse> Do you know of a good book which talks about the debian package system?
[10:19] <sveinse> ...or any other good system oriented books about ubuntu
[10:27] <rsajdok> sveinse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[11:01] <Chipzz> rsajdok: that's packag*ING*, not the package system
[11:02] <Chipzz> sveinse: man apt-get; also, pls ask on #ubuntu-server
[11:39] <rsajdok> Chipzz: sure, my mistake
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[15:31] <ohsix> is there any plans on getting changelogs for ppa's working? (like, when you press C in aptitude)
[16:46] <canesin> #motu
[17:58] <lifeless> mdz: around?
[19:13] <agronholm> anybody know what the new dependency based boot system in debian squeeze is called?
[19:14] <agronholm> is it in any way related to upstart?
[19:17] <virtuald> http://debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.html#dependency-boot
[19:20] <agronholm> sucks that they have a different system than ubuntu does
[19:48] <virtuald> agronholm: so does fedora
[19:48] <agronholm> yes
[19:49] <agronholm> it'd be easier for developers if the distros could agree on a common init system
[19:50] <virtuald> they're all backwards compatible with sysv init
[19:51] <penguin42> virtuald: Not really, upstart is quite different
[19:51] <agronholm> how do you specify dependencies with sysv init?
[19:51] <agronholm> afaik you can't
[19:52] <penguin42> in a way the problem is that none of them quite got to the point where they are polished and satisfy everyone
[19:52] <virtuald> it runs sysv scripts if you got them, that's what i call backwards compatible
[19:52] <penguin42> oh I see what you mean, yeh
[19:54] <virtuald> agronholm: there's lsb headers that specify dependencies, i don't know if upstart uses them (yet)
[19:54] <agronholm> parallel execution of init scripts is something every distro should be able to do
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[21:05] <bigon> yeah looks like all clutter things are broken on my system
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[23:45] <canesin> Do somebody know a work stealing module for python ??
[23:46] <canesin> A implementation of ABP work stealing would be nice
[23:46] <Burpaps_> i might
[23:46] <Burpaps_> so you want a good copy and pasteer?
[23:46] <Burpaps_> maybe even compile for you and press the buttons