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_Techie_nandemonai, i can think of another way, but its still very dirty00:00
nandemonaiYour server buddy ;)00:00
nandemonaiI've done some dodgy stuff myself, when all else fails n all.00:00
_Techie_okay, lemme re word that... dirtier and more complicated than sleeping00:00
nandemonailol00:00
nandemonaiWhat ya thinking?00:01
_Techie_i was thinking about creating a virtual interface, and bonding it with br0 and putting dhcp on that00:01
nandemonaiHeh that would probably do it.00:02
_Techie_would be bloody messy though00:02
nandemonaiBit of a pain and yea messy.00:02
_Techie_i think i may just sleep the init script for 30 seconds00:03
_Techie_its the cleanest way i can see atm00:03
nandemonaiWorth a shot at least.00:03
nandemonaiThey you can eliminate other issues.00:03
_Techie_it will do it, i know it will00:03
nandemonai*then00:03
_Techie_although, ideally i only want to add it to start00:04
_Techie_not restart00:04
_Techie_although, restart uses start00:06
_Techie_maybe thats why my ZNC isnt coming up either00:07
_Techie_anyway, brb00:08
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_Techie_nandemonai, okay, it works now00:10
_Techie_however im not sure whether it started using the init or the cron job00:11
RoyK!vnc00:16
ubottuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX00:16
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_Techie_IM GONNA GO PLAY SOME FALLOUT NEW VEGAS00:21
_Techie_whoops caps lock00:21
* RoyK has had some bad issues with x11vnc - anyone that knows a good remote solution for ubuntu? I need X login and it'll have to work from windoze and macs00:21
_Techie_also, wrong channel... sorry00:21
* RoyK slaps _Techie_ 00:22
_Techie_also does anyone in here mind if i use an away nick, or should i just leave before the ops get pissy at me?00:23
RoyK_Techie_: I don't think that's against the rules :P00:25
_Techie_RoyK, it actually is00:26
RoyKseems we've even been able to use the full of the English language in here lately00:26
RoyKsome months ago, I was picked at for using words like shit or fuck, but I haven't seen that lately00:26
_Techie_RoyK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines - under public away messages00:26
_Techie_RoyK, ive been done for it before, thats why i no longer idle and help out in here00:27
RoyKsome of those rules are bullshit00:28
tsimpsonif you disagree with the rules, choose another channel00:28
_Techie_RoyK, it all starts out with someone pointing it out and askign me not to, then with me pointing out that it creates no more spam lines than if i parted then joined when back, then an op comes along (usually hours later) and i end up with a ban00:29
RoyKtsimpson: nope - I help people in here quite a lot, and I get good help sometimes as well00:29
tsimpsonthe rules in the channel are in the topic, if you want to use the channel you should respect the rules they choose to implement00:30
RoyKtsimpson: seems the regime creating these rules are somewhat likely to Egypt00:30
RoyKs/likely/similar/00:30
RoyKtsimpson: I prefer to express myself in English, as with (some of) the words listed in the Oxford Dictionary00:31
zatrickyFor the life of me, I'm battling to figure out a) if Ubuntu is going to start ntpd on bootup and b) if it isn't, how to tell Ubuntu to do so00:31
_Techie_well if some prick decides they dont like me using an away nick, i would like to point out at a further reading of the guidelines, that it is frowned upon, but not actually against the guidelines00:31
zatrickymy google results want to teach me how to write upstart scripts - I want something much simpler ;)00:32
tsimpsonthe guidelines are the rules in this channel, if you don't want to follow the rules then don't use the channel. simple00:32
_Techie_zatricky, easiest way is to add a script to /etc/rc2.d/00:32
RoyKzatricky: there are tools like icinga/nagios/(google it) that can tell you if a process is running or not00:32
RoyKtsimpson: who wrote those ?00:32
tsimpsonRoyK: the Ubuntu IRC Council00:33
RoyKwho are they?00:33
_Techie_RoyK, as i like to call them, the "gods"00:33
RoyKlast I checked, ubuntu was an open project00:33
tsimpsonthe council responsible for Ubuntu on freenode00:33
tsimpsona delegate of the community council00:33
zatrickysrsly? Seems arbitrarily strange - I don't recall this complication before upstart joined the party. I thought the purpose was to simplify/robustify (is that a word?) the process :-/00:33
RoyKtsimpson: where can I find them?00:33
nandemonaiupdate-rc.d ntpd defaults should do it zatricky00:34
tsimpsonRoyK: #ubuntu-irc-council or irc-council at lists.ubuntu.com00:34
zatrickynow *that* sounds much better. Thanks, Nandemonai, will concentrate on reading more on update-rc.d :)00:34
_Techie_well, im going to go play some falluout NV, i shall see everyone later00:36
nandemonaiTake it easy _Techie_00:37
_Techie_nandemonai, i will, you have a good time while im gone, okay?00:38
nandemonai2 weeks of leave, I sure will :P00:38
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zatrickymuch simpler final result: remove ntp, remove ntp-simple, install openntpd, installation ends with "Starting openntpd" ^_^00:47
zatrickyBut thank you nonetheless, I've learned some more today :)00:48
uvirtbotNew bug: #713869 in samba (main) "wrong permissions in samba shares are not properly reported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71386900:52
elkingreyI've set up a directory that I would like a guest to have access to, but not to anything else on my server. I see pages where it tells me how to create a new user, but I don't see where that user has a password with which to log in. Can somebody help me?00:52
RoyKseems mr tsimpson didn't like some input on the channel rules :P01:06
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ballWhat's involved in connecting Ubuntu Server to a wireless LAN?06:30
airtonixball: not much06:32
airtonixball: since i've been using a headless version of the desktop isoi like to create network-manager profiles that do the connecting for me06:33
ballairtonix: If I install Ubuntu Server, would you be willing to walk me through it, or at least give me some pointers?  I'm really struggling here.06:34
airtonixball: i'd only be able to point you in the right place for network-manager, i've not used static definitions for wireless connections yet06:35
ballI don't know what network-manager is.06:35
airtonixit's a two part thing for managing various kinds of network connections06:36
airtonixthe part most people recognise is the panel applet called nm-applet06:36
airtonixbut that's isn't required for it to work06:36
ballDoes Ubuntu Server have the back end for that?06:37
airtonixi'm not sure06:37
airtonixi would say no06:37
airtonixbut don't quote me on that06:37
avisif you google that file name you should be able to find a md5sum characters a long set06:38
avissorry06:38
airtonixi think there are really two main reasons i use it, 1) if i freenx/vnc into the server, i can control the network connections from the gui, 2) network-manager provides an easy facility for running scripts pre and post connection06:39
airtonixoh and the other sweet feature is that if you are using a server as a router, and your servers WAN is wifi... then you can have it setup multiple access points, and take the one that is active06:40
airtonixi mean you might be able to do that with the traditional method of controlling network connections06:41
airtonixbut im not sure if it auto connects to an access point if the connection is dropped for some reason06:43
ballFor now I'm just looking for something that works.  My wife's Windows XP machine won't connect to our new wireless LAN and my usual OS is insanely difficult to configure06:44
ball...I've heard good things about Ubuntu and it's time I learned it, so this project is an opportunity to a) pacify the missus and b) learn some Ubuntu06:44
airtonixyou plan on using desktop ubuntu as well then ?06:45
ballI use it occasionally.  I'm actually typing this on a laptop that's running Xubuntu06:47
ballI would like to roll out some ltsp stuff eventually, but I have to do this one step at a time.06:52
airtonixdrbl is also a good alternative to ltsp06:54
airtonixdepends on what the enviroment is like though06:55
airtonixfirs i would obviously check that a standard 10.04 ubuntu liveusb can do all the things you want it to on your wifes desktop06:55
ballThe ltsp stuff is for the office, not on her machine.06:56
qman__network-manager has on many occasions become the bane of my existence07:03
qman__so I'd avoid using it if at all possible07:03
qman__however, as noted, wireless isn't exactly suited to the traditional setup07:04
ballqman__: Is it painful to configure wireless (with WPA2-PSK) on Ubuntu Server?07:05
qman__then again, wireless is evil and should not be used unless absolutely necessary07:05
ballqman__: Sadly it's necessary at home07:05
airtonixyeah wireless is not really a reliable connection for a server07:05
qman__for a single network you always connect to, it's not too hard07:05
qman__the problem arises when you have multiple networks07:05
ballqman__: That07:05
ball's what I'm trying to achieve: just join a single network07:06
qman__which you then have to manage in some way07:06
airtonixi've never had a problem with network-manager07:06
qman__I haven't done it myself but it basically amounts to filling out a configuration file with your network information07:06
airtonixexcept when things try to override it with static network definitions07:06
airtonixlike ebox did07:06
qman__I think it's outlined in the server guide, I'll check07:07
nandemonaiball: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo <- Good place to start07:07
qman__that guide is horribly out of date07:08
nandemonaiAlso as qman__ said, pretty sure it's in the server guide.07:08
nandemonaiAs are a lot of the guides these days unfortunately.07:09
nandemonaiMost of it should hold true.07:09
* ball nods ...it's sometimes difficult to know where to look for Ubuntu documentation07:09
airtonixball: for now i think your learning curvve can be reduced by simply using a desktop iso with  the gdm init script removed...07:09
airtonixconfiguring the wifi will be alot easier then07:09
nandemonaiWas simple in 8.10.07:09
ballI was hoping I could do it from within Ubuntu Server07:10
nandemonaiLast time I used wifi on server07:10
airtonixball: there isn't much difference between ubuntu-server and ubuntu-desktop07:10
airtonixpresence of gnome really07:10
airtonixand openoffice07:10
airtonixoh and network manager07:11
qman__I avoid doing that personally07:11
airtonixwhy is that ?07:11
ballI could try Xubuntu I suppose.07:11
qman__my problems with network manager are similar to other problems I've had with GUI applications07:11
airtonixwhat are those ?07:11
qman__they try to do things differently than the 'manual' way07:11
ball...does Xubuntu have this network manager thing?07:11
qman__and therefore interfere with each other07:11
nandemonaiIt's a server right?07:11
qman__often breaking stuff in unexpected ways07:11
airtonixball: i dont think so07:11
nandemonaiRun a LAN cable to the wifi router.07:11
nandemonaiFixed :P07:11
airtonixqman__: so what are those problems ?07:11
qman__things not working07:12
airtonixwhich is ?07:12
qman__whatever that GUI application is fighting the config files over07:12
ballnandemonai: That would involve going into the crawlspace under the house, something I avoid at the best of times and -20C is not the best of times.07:12
qman__in the case of network manager, the network07:12
dschuettanyone in here running bind9 on ubuntu server 10.04?07:12
airtonixqman__: so you don't actually remember ?07:12
airtonixdschuett: yes07:12
airtonixwell not server07:12
qman__the network not working is pretty clear07:12
* nandemonai <3 airtonix 07:12
airtonixso you don't know and just want to spread doubt ?07:13
qman__the biggest problem is not that they disagree, but that it's nearly impossible to fix07:13
ballPerhaps I can run the full version of Ubuntu, if that's what's required to get this working.07:13
qman__without simply removing the GUI application07:13
nandemonaiIt's really not ball.07:13
airtonixhoho07:13
nandemonaiLook into iwconfig.07:13
nandemonaiI doubt they've just up and dropped it.07:13
airtonixit's still there07:14
nandemonaiAs I said though it's been a while since I've dabbled with wifi on server.07:14
dschuettairtonix: ok, so if i MANUALLY set my windows OR linux client within my network to use 8.8.8.8 as it's DNS server AND i flush dns - then do an nslookup on one of my internal hostnames it STILL resolves them? how is it resolving my internal dns through googles public DNS?07:14
qman__dschuett, it isn't07:15
qman__there are more name resolvers than DNS07:15
qman__most of them automagic07:15
airtonixwut?07:15
airtonixisn't nslookup a windows thing ?07:15
qman__no07:15
qman__nslookup is 'deprecated' but it gets results differently than dig07:16
qman__and is therefore still useful07:16
dschuettqman: so even if i do a nslookkup...server 8.8.8.8 dschuett.scs.local it should still resolve?07:16
airtonix.locals are resolved from avahi07:16
airtonixon the linux side07:16
dschuettwell even if i leave the .local off it still resolves07:17
qman__nslookup uses the system's normal name lookup bits07:17
qman__if you want a DNS-only lookup, use dig07:17
airtonixdschuett: so you have samba running on all machines ?07:17
qman__and yeah, .local is a special name07:18
qman__that you're really not supposed to use for anything outside of the local machine07:18
dschuettairtonix... ok so .local should still resolve even if i use an external DNS server? - just did "dig @8.8.8.8 dschuett-lmtl.scs.local and it DOES resolve07:19
qman__calling your network .local is dandy in an active directory environment but can cause unexpected issues in a linux environment07:19
airtonix?07:20
qman__dschuett, pastebin the full response please07:20
airtonixany machine with avahi or bonjour running is always going to have a secondary domain called .local07:21
Thirtysixwayany reason https://10.cloud.ubuntu.com/ says 10.10 hasn't been released yet?07:21
dschuettqman_:http://pastebin.com/4pUHtAJA07:21
qman__gateway.scs.local. gave you that answer07:23
qman__not google07:23
qman__as to why it bothered asking that server, I couldn't tell you07:25
dschuettqman__: gotcha, dig DOES work better, a lot more informational07:25
qman__but that is where the answer came from07:25
dschuettqman__: yeah, i guess that is what i'm confused about as well07:25
qman__according to the man page it shouldn't have07:27
qman__but I don't know enough about dig and how it resolves to answer that mystery07:27
dschuettqman__: i just did the same dig command on the DNS server itself and it doesn't resolve07:29
dschuettweird07:29
dschuettthe BIND9 ubuntu server that is07:30
dschuettkind of weird that it resolves on clients, but not on the bind server itself... hmmm07:30
qman__yeah, it's grabbing it through some other resolving method apparently07:33
qman__I thought dig wasn't supposed to do that but apparently I was mistaken07:34
airtonixdid you post your resolv.conf yet ?07:34
airtonixjust so there is no assumption07:35
airtonixs*07:35
dschuettairtonix: resolv.conf just contains these two lines: search scs.local    nameserver 192.168.0.107:43
airtonixis your bind zone actually called scs.local ?07:45
airtonixbecause that's going to conflict with the avahi clients you have running07:46
dschuettairtonix: yes that is my zone name07:46
dschuettwell scs.local.db07:47
airtonixi would think about using .home instead of .local for the dns configurations07:47
airtonixand let avahi/bonjour have .local for their little mutlicast auto dns party07:47
airtonixdschuett: yes my zone file also ends with .db but that's mostly irrelevant to how the hostnames resolve07:48
airtonixdschuett: i'll post you my resolve.conf from a client and the zone file from my server so you can examine07:49
dschuettairtonix: that would be awesome07:49
dschuettso is .local "reserved"?07:49
airtonixyes, if you have ubuntu desktop clients (then you have avahi clients broadcasting across port 5353 making CNAME queries on the .local domain )07:51
airtonixsame with macosx and windows if you have bonjour printing services installed07:51
airtonixhttp://pastie.org/153325307:56
dschuettTHANKS!07:58
airtonixsorry i missed out named.conf.local07:59
airtonixhttp://pastie.org/153325307:59
airtonixgah07:59
airtonixactually07:59
airtonixrevised, just reload07:59
airtonixi'm still working out how to get dhcpd3-server to auto update bind dns records under certian cirumstances08:00
dschuettairtonix: ironic...that is my next project08:02
Tohuwif I've added an ldif like so: ldapadd -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -f name_of_file, how would I back out every change that file made?08:21
airtonixgood question08:23
airtonixnot one that would be explained by documentation i suspect08:23
TohuwI assume there's some documentation somewhere detailing how this might be done, but I've yet to find it. I freely admit to not having read EFM (every * manual) on LDAP, but I've been hunting.08:24
jmarsdenTohuw: I think you need to look at what name_of_file does and write the opposite set of LDAP changes and then apply those... of course there is no "undelete" command, or "unupdate", so in reality if your file deleted or updated entries in LDAP, the only way to undo that (as far as I know) is to restore from backup.08:25
jmarsdenIt's like saying  What is the opposite of the SQL command "DROP TABLE foo;" ?     -- the answer is to restore foo from backups.08:25
Tohuwjmarsden: that makes sense. I'll see if I can write an opposite to it... if I pastebin the ldif (it's not very long, and essentially the same backend configuration ldif found in the Ubuntu Server Guide), do you care to take a gander at it?08:26
TohuwIf I have to restore ldap, it won't be difficult... I just installed it :D08:26
jmarsdenNo, I was already marking myself away and about to go to bed... it is 00:26 here...08:26
jmarsdenBad timing :)08:26
Tohuwah, 03:26 here. Night!08:27
jmarsdenGoodnight.08:27
Tuxisthi09:51
Tuxisti have problem with tls09:52
Tuxistand proftpd09:52
Tuxistmodule conf http://pastebin.com/54vWz6W4 tls conf http://pastebin.com/qPjAtdzk09:53
Tuxisti have also created new packages with proftpd 1.3.3 from debian unstable without success09:53
Tuxisti got auth not found09:59
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acidflashhello all10:32
acidflashi have a program, which one startup cannot get assigned to it more then 1024 file descriptors, but when i do service whatever restart after the startup, it gets assigned the 1M that its supposed to, how can i make it so that it gets assigned the 1M at startup, using ubuntu 10.04 or 10.10, same on both10:32
acidflashone/on/spl10:34
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uvirtbotNew bug: #714033 in whois (main) "Please merge whois 5.0.11 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71403312:31
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charasCan anyone help me with this problem? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4913561/how-to-reset-virtualenv-and-pep14:23
resnoquick question about setting up a ubuntu server as a router. for a small network, can we out end up pushing to much through it?15:20
patdk-lapsure15:20
patdk-lapwhat are the specs of the router?15:21
resnoP415:22
resnoi dont remember exactly15:23
compdocyoure worried about making the server too busy? what else does it do?15:23
patdk-lapit's everything a p4 these days?15:23
compdocp4 is old15:23
resnowell, pushing to much through the nic or making it process to much15:23
leniosp4 should handle a small network without issues15:23
patdk-lapeverything was a p4, till the i3/5/7/915:23
resnoits doing a bit more then just networking stuff15:24
resnoand the loads can get highish at times15:24
patdk-lapmy p3 1.2ghz handles 1200mbit, routing15:24
resnopatdk-lap: does yours only do routing or other services?15:24
patdk-laponly routing15:25
resnoits possible it could slow down the internet if its under high load right?15:25
patdk-lapwell, it does do full bgp tables15:25
patdk-lapthat does use up a crapload of cpu time15:25
compdocits prolly a bad idea to use an important server as a router, if youre doing it yourself. could be a security risk if you dont configure it right15:26
patdk-lapresno, using nat/masq/conntrack?15:26
resnocompdoc: yea, ive thought about15:26
resnopatdk-lap: yes15:26
patdk-lapcould be an issue there15:26
patdk-lapwithout any type if firewalling, I don't see it being much of an issue, load wise15:27
resnobut the firewalling and associated things could be bad news?15:27
patdk-lapnot sure15:27
patdk-lapit will need to use memory, and track things15:27
patdk-lapand I'm sure that isn't done in the interrupt15:27
patdk-lapso would be scheduled15:27
resnohmm, its already pushed to its limit on ram15:28
patdk-lapas it needs to alloc memory and stuff15:28
resnocould i potentially open up samba to the world?15:28
resnoif configured wrong?15:28
patdk-lapalways :)15:29
patdk-lapmost isp's drop samba stuff tough15:29
nandemonaiThink about the hardware on a router.15:29
patdk-lapbut that is what a firewall is for15:29
nandemonaiYou're way exceeding that on a semi modern PC.15:29
nandemonaiIt'll manage just fine.15:29
nandemonaiHeck a P2 would probably handle it fine.15:29
resnowell, i mainly want the experince of doing it and mananging it. to get experince of managing a server better15:30
patdk-lapnandemonai, not really15:30
patdk-lapbut he hasn't said what his internet connection is15:30
patdk-lapa p2 would never handle my internet connection15:30
resnopatdk-lap: how many machines do you have?15:30
patdk-lap2015:30
resnoat home?15:30
resnoor at work?15:31
patdk-lapboth :)15:31
resnoheh, nice15:31
patdk-lapbut it's nice to have multible gigabit fiber connections15:31
resnoheh, youve got quite a setup then15:32
RoyKhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhsSxCIrQTI <-- Gaiman FTW :)15:32
resnopatdk-lap: so, ill take your advice. should i do it, or just play with vps instead. if i want to be a sys admin?15:32
patdk-lapplay with vps?15:33
* patdk-lap is lost15:33
resnovirtual private server, like an almost dedicated server15:33
patdk-lapya, but how did that fit any of what was being discussed?15:34
patdk-lapyou can't just say random crap and expect people to understand15:34
resnooh, i am trying to setup an enviroment to gain experince. a vps would be less crucial install i can play with and not expose my network, and files.15:35
patdk-lapnormally vps's don't seperate network and files15:36
patdk-lapthey are half joined atleast to the host system15:36
patdk-lapyou could try a vm15:36
patdk-lapbut both of these options, if done on that same computer would put an even higher load on it15:37
resnoyou can configure a vm to mangage the network?15:37
resnoi actually run a vm lol15:37
* resno breathes15:38
resnowell, i think i just want to gain mangaging experince, how ever i can get real experince. ill do that15:39
resnopatdk-lap: howd you start admining?15:39
patdk-lapby watching Hackers :)15:42
resnoheh, did you make a honeypot?15:43
patdk-lapand sneakers :)15:43
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uvirtbotNew bug: #714121 in setserial (main) "Please merge setserial 2.17-45.3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71412116:11
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ballUgh. I try not to hate Linux, but I can't install Ubuntu Server because of the stupid graphical splash screen.18:30
ball:-(18:30
RoyKball: just press F4 in the grub menu18:31
RoyKor perhaps use the alternate install18:31
gobbeball: eh? what does splash screen prevent?18:32
gobbeand why?18:32
RoyKthe splash screen comes after grub boot18:33
RoyKpress F4 and then you can change the boot args18:34
RoyKone of them is quiet, one is splash, remove those18:34
RoyKIIRC pressing F6 will give you the commandline18:35
ballRoyK: I don't get a grub menu.18:37
ballgobbe: Doesn't work with my hardware.18:38
gobbeball: not even grub?18:38
RoyKball: can you try the alternate install CD?18:38
ballRoyK: I'll try downloading that now.18:40
ballShouldn't be necu18:41
balloops18:41
=== jadakren is now known as airtonix
airtonixthere's a graphical splash screen with ubuntu server iso now ?19:12
airtonixlast time i used the server iso, it was ascii all the way down19:12
ballairtonix: Appears that way.19:12
ballMakes it fail on my hardware.19:12
RoyKairtonix: the grub menu on the installer has been graphic for a while19:17
airtonixnot for me19:17
RoyKball: did you test the alternate installer?19:17
airtonixyou must be doing somethiing to piss it off19:18
RoyKairtonix: not really - I've installed quite a few dozens of ubuntu lucid - it's graphic - beleive me19:18
airtonixi only have a plymouth splash screen on desktop isos19:18
airtonixwell i don't because so have i19:19
airtonixapologies in advanced for not believing you19:19
=== Mr_mist is now known as mrmist
avisi installed a web server, very basic and minimal, with apache2, last might and for some odd reason it caused my computer to lock up.  it would render my monitor one color, and have to be forced switched off.  all memory passes memtest86 with no sweat.19:38
avisis there perhaps a very light web server that may not give as much issues ?  and all the relevant (and hopefully few) packages need it for it to be a real web server ?19:39
avisif you could lend a hand in this capacity i would like to give it another shot.19:39
greppyavis: define a "real" webserver :)19:40
greppylighthttpd is used by quite a few folks.19:40
avislight and functions for most basic web applications should i wish to deploy them.  low on resources, not taxing on the computer, and hopefully wont cause my screen/system state to go fubar :)19:41
avisi'll try that one.  can i use sqllite3 with that ?19:41
avisgranted, my computer, its not low powered either.  i'm not sure why it would lock up.19:42
greppynot sure, do you mean to use sqlite3 or use php that uses sqlite3?19:42
aviswell i assume i need SQL and i assume i need PHP19:42
avisso basic package names or a url referencing a how to would be of great assistance19:43
avisand i prefer to keep things "light" for webserver i'd got gnome running overhead.19:43
greppyI'd just be googling it.19:43
aviscool.  thank you19:43
greppylighthttpd + php I think is doable, might have to load it as a cgi instead of a module, not sure though, haven't used it much.19:44
greppyI normally use lighhttpd for static content.19:44
RoyKavis: apache is dead stable19:44
RoyKavis: if your computer locked up, I guess it's either something that ate a truckload of memory, or a hardware failure19:45
RoyKthe latter is most likely19:45
RoyKavis: that is - apache is as stable as the web apps are. you aren't using CGI, are you?19:46
avisi am not19:48
RoyKgood19:48
avisfor some reason it caused a graphics lockup or single color screen19:49
avisi have 8 gb of memory19:49
avisradeon 5670 using propietary drivers19:49
RoyKavis: do you have mcelog running?19:49
avisnever heard of it19:49
RoyKapt-get install ...19:49
avisok19:49
RoyKmce == machine check exception19:49
RoyKif a detectable hardware failure occurs, it will be logged19:50
avisvery good19:50
avisand a quick way to install apache2 with necessary components ?  or should i goggle a how-to ?19:50
RoyKsetup that to use syslog and if possible, configure syslog to log to another host over IP as well, in case syslog can't write to the disks19:50
RoyKavis: which components?19:51
RoyKthe apache2 package has most of what would be needed19:51
genii-aroundDoes mce tell you anything about ecc ram if it starts to quietly fail?19:51
RoyKgenii-around: yes19:51
genii-aroundRoyK: Cool, thanks19:52
RoyKavis: perhaps libapache2-mod-php5 might be needed on top of that if you plan to use PHP19:53
avisi'm giving this a shot sudo apt-get install apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server19:53
RoyKlooks reasonable19:53
avisthank you RoyK19:53
RoyK:)19:53
avismay i ask one question.  how do i redirect apache2 to use port 8080 ?  is that frowned upon ?  it works here on dsl, thats all i can say.  not frowned by isp but to others going to sites19:54
avisgoogling,t hanks19:57
genii-aroundavis: In /etc/apache2/ports.conf            usually19:58
RoyKavis: redirect or reconfigure?19:58
RoyKredirection is usually done with HTTP headers, <head><meta redirect... or javascript19:59
shadow42085I need a Control Panel to setup and magange a server20:04
greppyshadow42085: what services?20:04
RoyK!guide20:04
aviswhat would be the name of a virtual host in the /etc/apache2/ports.conf ?  or is * sufficient if i plan on using a dyndns.org service, assuming, that its too much for a novice to get real domains to point at a computer using dyndns.org (dynamic ip) and still point to 808020:04
ubottuThe Ubuntu server guide may be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/20:04
avisRoyK, i don't believe i can redirect from 80 to 8080 since 80 is block by at&t20:05
greppy!ebox | shadow42085 or if you just want webhosting type stuff take a look at http://www.froxlor.org20:05
RoyKavis: then you need to redirect from somewhere else20:05
shadow42085Mail/MySQL/Apache and other services I may addon20:05
RoyKavis: there is no chance to redirect to 8080 if 80 is blocked20:05
shadow42085avis port fort ward it works20:06
avisthats what i said, paraphrased, yes.20:06
avisshadow42085, hmm.  i dont understand port forwarding.20:06
RoyKshadow42085: when port 80 is blocked into his IP, a port forward won't help much20:07
shadow42085are you running behind a NA router20:07
shadow42085are you running behind a NAT router**20:07
RoyKshadow42085: see above - his ISP blocks 80/tcp20:07
NafalloRoyK: well... you could make the re-direct on an external host... ;-)20:09
shadow42085need to ask to unblock 80/tcp20:09
avisi am behind a router yes20:09
avisthey wont do it.  its AT&T20:09
shadow42085I have them as well20:09
shadow42085and I can run my own server20:10
avisredirect on external host sounds wonderful if it will allow my to use www.mydomain.com20:10
avisoh wow20:10
avismight you be able to pass along that contact information to me ?20:10
shadow42085you need to get into your gateway settings20:10
avisat&t dsl modem device ?20:11
shadow42085correct20:11
aviswhat would i change there ?20:11
shadow42085look in the firewall settings20:11
avisi'm using a standlone modem not a 2wire gateway20:11
avismine is simply a dsl modem not a gateway i don't think20:11
avisi could conceiveably use the 2wire modem though if i can unblock port 8020:12
shadow42085does it have a  modem/router/firewall setup20:12
avisthe one i took down does20:12
shadow42085send me a snapshot of the modems internal setup20:13
avisi'm now using a tp-link running dd-wrt and a small black dsl modem powering my connection20:13
avisyou got it20:13
shadow42085which is at 192.168.1.254 normal20:13
shadow42085if you need to find out if on windows machine run ipconfig /all linux not sure20:14
shadow42085gateways are easier to work with20:16
shadow42085the firewall is in the way turn it off on the server or port forward 80/8080 and other ports u will need20:20
avisif you see my PM you'll see you may be referring to a device i'm not using20:21
avisi'm dying to get off at&t20:22
avisits my maltese diamond20:23
aviscomcast wont take me as a refugee.  i'd have to pay full installation price20:23
shadow42085heres a link http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19305061-Port-Forwarding-using-the-Speedstream-410020:23
avisoh, thanks20:24
shadow42085basically using a 3rd party router or getting a gateway s you only options20:25
shadow42085but 3rd party routers are only good as the name20:26
avisso have pppoe set on the computer, and auth on the router, than 80 might not be blocked ?  the url was vague to me20:26
shadow42085Linksys by Cisco is best20:26
avisi've got a great tp-link running dd-wrt20:26
avisi've also got a asus rt-n16 and a rt-n1220:27
avisrunning dd-wrt20:27
avisi'll try20:27
shadow42085dd-wrt?20:29
fluvvellavis, which tp-link ?20:29
mrwould it be easier for me to install apache, mysql, ftp, etc during the base install or do it manualy afterwards? I'm new to ubuntu20:30
guntbertmr: doesn't make any difference20:31
guntbert!lamp | mr20:31
ubottumr: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)20:31
mrok, my problem  is once everything is installed, I can't ftp the default apache folder for my web site20:33
shadow42085sudo chmod 777 /var/www20:33
genii-aroundmr: If you're already running a standard Ubuntu install ( which i think you are because of your earlier activity in #ubuntu ) you can just issue: sudo tasksel                 and it gives you a checklist. lamp and ssh server and so on.20:33
jmarsdenshadow42085: That is horrible security practice, and not the right way to do it :)20:34
mrok thanks20:34
shadow42085so use 766?20:34
jmarsdenshadow42085: Leave it alone, add a new site directory (under there or wherever you want it) and make the new dir owned by the user who will ftp into it.20:35
fluvvellanyone ever used centrify? care to comment on?20:36
mrok, will i have to change the conf file in apache2 to look there instead of it's default location?20:36
jmarsdenmr: Add a new site file that has the info in it, rather than changing the default, I would suggest.20:37
jmarsdenmr: In Ubuntu there is no one "conf file" for apache, there is a whole tree of such files.20:38
mrok, thanks everyone. I think i will need a good tutorial or a good ebook on how to configutre this stuff.20:38
jmarsdenmr: Try   man a2ensite     for some info on adding a site to your Apache configuration.20:38
mrany suggestions for any?20:40
mrwhere can i find good information for people that's new to ubuntu on configuring apache, etc20:44
jmarsdenmr: Did you read through the Server Guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/20:46
jmarsdenIt is in the /topic for this channel.20:46
mrwill that work for 10.10 as well20:46
mri'll check it out. thanks jmarsden20:47
PiciYes, but if you want to be sure, change the 10.04 to 10.10 in the url.20:47
jmarsdenmr: Most people installing Ubuntu Server still use the LTS edition, 10.04, which is why that is what the topic says.20:47
mrthanks Pici.20:48
mrok20:48
PiciYep :)20:50
mrthanks everyone. Going to read the server guide and try it again. I WON'T give up. Have to leave windows, tired of crashes and slow speed.20:50
shadow42085I have a domain name with no-ip.com20:59
shadow42085since I am behind a NAT router21:00
shadow42085couldn't get a DNS server setip21:00
ffrthi all - anyone that can help with returning errors in burned boot cdroms on ubuntu server 10.04?21:01
jmarsdenshadow42085: Is there a question waiting to be typed? 3 statements but no question from you... seems odd...?21:02
jmarsdenffrt: After you burn them can you read the image back from the CD-R and compare it with the original ISO?  Any differences?21:03
shadow42085sorry about that I was trying to ask is there a way to setup a DNS server behind a NAT router21:03
ffrtjmarsden: didn't try that yet, 1 sec21:04
jmarsdenshadow42085: if port forward TCP and UDP port 53 to your server, it should work.21:04
jmarsdenBut DNS servers need to be at a static IP address, usually people at home using no-ip.com have dynamic IP addresses...21:05
shadow42085I need to configure my NAT router to use static21:06
shadow42085just for the server and use dhcp for the others21:06
jmarsdenshadow42085: .... no... wait, you want a DNS server just for a local private zone?  or a real Internet-facing DNS server?21:07
shadow42085internet face21:07
jmarsdenThen your *public* IP needs to be static, so you can tell your registrar where the DNS servers for your zone are in terms of a non-changing IP address.21:07
jmarsdenDo not confuse LAN internal addresses and public Internet ones :)21:08
genii-aroundshadow42085: So outside boxes can resolve something like sub.sub.no-ip.com ?21:08
shadow42085my current setup is ahdowschat.no-ip.org21:08
shadow42085shadowchat.no-ip.org**21:09
jmarsdenshadow42085: More statements instead of questions? :)21:09
jmarsdenshadow42085: Do you have a static public IP address, or not?21:09
shadow42085not at the moment21:10
shadow42085how would I do that with my NAT Router21:10
jmarsdenThen you cannot sensibly run an internet facing DNS server.21:10
jmarsdenIt is not about the NAT router!  It is about the public Ip your ISp gives you.21:10
shadow42085I have a public address I use21:11
shadow42085my isp address21:11
jmarsdenAnd... is it static?  or not?21:11
shadow42085currently dhcp21:11
jmarsdenThen you cannot sanely run an Internet facing DNS server behind it.21:11
jmarsdenUpgrade to a static address, and then try setting up a DNS server if you really want to run one.21:12
jmarsdenProbably easier to let no-ip.org or some other place run the DNS server on your behalf.21:12
jmarsdenI think no-ip.org wants $6/month to run DNS for a few domains, and your ISP will probably want more than that to give you a static IP.21:13
azlonis there a way to lock down a user to only allow them to access the SFTP or SCP protocols and not give them shell access to the command line?21:15
azloni didn't phrase that very well... but you probably get what i mean21:15
shadow42085ok I want to setup a mail server using either sendmail or postfix and rend/send mail using squrrialmail21:17
shadow42085I have a MX record already made21:17
shadow42085mail.shadowchat.no-ip.org21:18
jmarsdenazlon: Yes.  man authorized_keys   and look for the  command= part, you can specify what commands someone coming in over ssh can execute21:18
azlonjmarsden: thanks21:18
jmarsdenshadow42085: Your ISP allows inbound connections to port 25, on a home dynamic DSL line? Most do not.21:19
ffrtjmarsden: created new image, checksummed cd and 2 images, all are identical21:19
shadow42085I can port forward it on my router21:19
ffrtjmarsden: any other ideas?21:19
jmarsdenshadow42085: You can, but if the ISP blocks inbound traffic, that traffic will not even reach your router to be port forwarded.21:20
ffrtjmarsden: fyi, when in the server install, and i run a verify cd-rom, i get errors on the MD5 checksum21:20
jmarsdenffrt: It generally "just works" if the hardware (CD burner and CD-R disk) is good.21:20
jmarsdenffrt: Ah... So the drive is not reading the CD properly, maybe?  How did you create that server CD?21:21
ffrton my mac21:21
ffrtjmarsden: on my mac21:21
jmarsdenThen I have no idea if it is any good or not... try creating one using the server itself, if you have Ubuntu installed, and see if that works any better?  I can't help with testing Mac CD burning software, I just don't know about that.21:22
ffrtjmarsden:  ok thx anyway21:24
jmarsdenYou're welcome.  A correctly burned Ubuntu CD should test out fine using that verify CD menu item, that much I know.21:25
guntberthe is gone :)21:26
airtonixdriveby questioneer21:27
shadow42085could I change the mail server fom 25 to another?21:36
shadow42085from**21:36
jmarsdenshadow42085: Yes, but then no email will ever reach it from other mail servers :)21:37
shadow42085hmm21:38
=== ogra is now known as Guest14562
jmarsdenshadow42085: What exactly are you doing that needs a full blown DNS and mail server at home???21:39
shadow42085full chat server NOT plugged a simple link or other BS21:40
shadow42085an MSN/Yahoo chat server21:40
jmarsdenOK... And why does a "chat server" need DNS and email servers to run on the same machine??21:40
shadow42085mail server for registration21:41
jmarsdenshadow42085: outbound email only?  No email coming in?21:41
shadow42085the DNS was an option to use a .co.cc domain instead of an no-ip.com sub-domain21:42
shadow42085inbound and ooutbound21:42
jmarsdenThen I think you are stuck; consider getting a little virtual private server and doing this "up in the cloud" instead, maybe?  Such as at linode.com ?21:43
shadow42085don;t have the funds for something like that21:43
jmarsden$20/mo for the smallest one is pretty cheap.  But OK.  Can you get your home DSL upgraded to have a static IP and no port blocking for incoming traffic?21:45
shadow42085possible but if 25 is not blocked then no roblems right21:46
shadow42085problems**21:46
jmarsdenRight.21:53
jmarsdenDo you have something listening on port 25 right now?21:54
jmarsdenI can test for you...21:54
shadow42085well I need to get postfix or send mail setup I was getting confused on setting it uo22:05
jmarsdenOK, maybe later.  I need to go out for a while.22:06
qman__if it's just for registration, you can get around residential ISPs blocking mail by configuring postfix to use a gmail account22:15
qman__but all mail will be 'from' that gmail account22:16
=== lenios_ is now known as lenios
tohuwCan someone point me to an example of a zone file for a local server? I just have this DNS server using a private IP on an internal private subnet, and want to make an entry so hostname-of-machine resolves to the machine, like it would if I made an entry in /etc/hosts client-side. I am used to making zone files for public websites, so I'm uncertain about how to handle the FQDN of the machine, the SOA, etc.23:38

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