[00:00] <_Techie_> nandemonai, i can think of another way, but its still very dirty
[00:00] <nandemonai> Your server buddy ;)
[00:00] <nandemonai> I've done some dodgy stuff myself, when all else fails n all.
[00:00] <_Techie_> okay, lemme re word that... dirtier and more complicated than sleeping
[00:00] <nandemonai> lol
[00:01] <nandemonai> What ya thinking?
[00:01] <_Techie_> i was thinking about creating a virtual interface, and bonding it with br0 and putting dhcp on that
[00:02] <nandemonai> Heh that would probably do it.
[00:02] <_Techie_> would be bloody messy though
[00:02] <nandemonai> Bit of a pain and yea messy.
[00:03] <_Techie_> i think i may just sleep the init script for 30 seconds
[00:03] <_Techie_> its the cleanest way i can see atm
[00:03] <nandemonai> Worth a shot at least.
[00:03] <nandemonai> They you can eliminate other issues.
[00:03] <_Techie_> it will do it, i know it will
[00:03] <nandemonai> *then
[00:04] <_Techie_> although, ideally i only want to add it to start
[00:04] <_Techie_> not restart
[00:06] <_Techie_> although, restart uses start
[00:07] <_Techie_> maybe thats why my ZNC isnt coming up either
[00:08] <_Techie_> anyway, brb
[00:10] <_Techie_> nandemonai, okay, it works now
[00:11] <_Techie_> however im not sure whether it started using the init or the cron job
[00:16] <RoyK> !vnc
[00:16] <RoyK> !freenx
[00:21] <_Techie_> IM GONNA GO PLAY SOME FALLOUT NEW VEGAS
[00:21] <_Techie_> whoops caps lock
[00:21]  * RoyK has had some bad issues with x11vnc - anyone that knows a good remote solution for ubuntu? I need X login and it'll have to work from windoze and macs
[00:21] <_Techie_> also, wrong channel... sorry
[00:22]  * RoyK slaps _Techie_ 
[00:23] <_Techie_> also does anyone in here mind if i use an away nick, or should i just leave before the ops get pissy at me?
[00:25] <RoyK> _Techie_: I don't think that's against the rules :P
[00:26] <_Techie_> RoyK, it actually is
[00:26] <RoyK> seems we've even been able to use the full of the English language in here lately
[00:26] <RoyK> some months ago, I was picked at for using words like shit or fuck, but I haven't seen that lately
[00:26] <_Techie_> RoyK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines - under public away messages
[00:27] <_Techie_> RoyK, ive been done for it before, thats why i no longer idle and help out in here
[00:28] <RoyK> some of those rules are bullshit
[00:28] <tsimpson> if you disagree with the rules, choose another channel
[00:29] <_Techie_> RoyK, it all starts out with someone pointing it out and askign me not to, then with me pointing out that it creates no more spam lines than if i parted then joined when back, then an op comes along (usually hours later) and i end up with a ban
[00:29] <RoyK> tsimpson: nope - I help people in here quite a lot, and I get good help sometimes as well
[00:30] <tsimpson> the rules in the channel are in the topic, if you want to use the channel you should respect the rules they choose to implement
[00:30] <RoyK> tsimpson: seems the regime creating these rules are somewhat likely to Egypt
[00:30] <RoyK> s/likely/similar/
[00:31] <RoyK> tsimpson: I prefer to express myself in English, as with (some of) the words listed in the Oxford Dictionary
[00:31] <zatricky> For the life of me, I'm battling to figure out a) if Ubuntu is going to start ntpd on bootup and b) if it isn't, how to tell Ubuntu to do so
[00:31] <_Techie_> well if some prick decides they dont like me using an away nick, i would like to point out at a further reading of the guidelines, that it is frowned upon, but not actually against the guidelines
[00:32] <zatricky> my google results want to teach me how to write upstart scripts - I want something much simpler ;)
[00:32] <tsimpson> the guidelines are the rules in this channel, if you don't want to follow the rules then don't use the channel. simple
[00:32] <_Techie_> zatricky, easiest way is to add a script to /etc/rc2.d/
[00:32] <RoyK> zatricky: there are tools like icinga/nagios/(google it) that can tell you if a process is running or not
[00:32] <RoyK> tsimpson: who wrote those ?
[00:33] <tsimpson> RoyK: the Ubuntu IRC Council
[00:33] <RoyK> who are they?
[00:33] <_Techie_> RoyK, as i like to call them, the "gods"
[00:33] <RoyK> last I checked, ubuntu was an open project
[00:33] <tsimpson> the council responsible for Ubuntu on freenode
[00:33] <tsimpson> a delegate of the community council
[00:33] <zatricky> srsly? Seems arbitrarily strange - I don't recall this complication before upstart joined the party. I thought the purpose was to simplify/robustify (is that a word?) the process :-/
[00:33] <RoyK> tsimpson: where can I find them?
[00:34] <nandemonai> update-rc.d ntpd defaults should do it zatricky
[00:34] <tsimpson> RoyK: #ubuntu-irc-council or irc-council at lists.ubuntu.com
[00:34] <zatricky> now *that* sounds much better. Thanks, Nandemonai, will concentrate on reading more on update-rc.d :)
[00:36] <_Techie_> well, im going to go play some falluout NV, i shall see everyone later
[00:37] <nandemonai> Take it easy _Techie_
[00:38] <_Techie_> nandemonai, i will, you have a good time while im gone, okay?
[00:38] <nandemonai> 2 weeks of leave, I sure will :P
[00:47] <zatricky> much simpler final result: remove ntp, remove ntp-simple, install openntpd, installation ends with "Starting openntpd" ^_^
[00:48] <zatricky> But thank you nonetheless, I've learned some more today :)
[00:52] <elkingrey> I've set up a directory that I would like a guest to have access to, but not to anything else on my server. I see pages where it tells me how to create a new user, but I don't see where that user has a password with which to log in. Can somebody help me?
[01:06] <RoyK> seems mr tsimpson didn't like some input on the channel rules :P
[01:09]  * nandemonai pokes airtonix 
[01:20]  * pennyless_ is away: Gone away for now
[03:45] <YankeesFan> !ops
[05:17] <YankeesFan> !ops
[06:30] <ball> What's involved in connecting Ubuntu Server to a wireless LAN?
[06:32] <airtonix> ball: not much
[06:33] <airtonix> ball: since i've been using a headless version of the desktop isoi like to create network-manager profiles that do the connecting for me
[06:34] <ball> airtonix: If I install Ubuntu Server, would you be willing to walk me through it, or at least give me some pointers?  I'm really struggling here.
[06:35] <airtonix> ball: i'd only be able to point you in the right place for network-manager, i've not used static definitions for wireless connections yet
[06:35] <ball> I don't know what network-manager is.
[06:36] <airtonix> it's a two part thing for managing various kinds of network connections
[06:36] <airtonix> the part most people recognise is the panel applet called nm-applet
[06:36] <airtonix> but that's isn't required for it to work
[06:37] <ball> Does Ubuntu Server have the back end for that?
[06:37] <airtonix> i'm not sure
[06:37] <airtonix> i would say no
[06:37] <airtonix> but don't quote me on that
[06:38] <avis> if you google that file name you should be able to find a md5sum characters a long set
[06:38] <avis> sorry
[06:39] <airtonix> i think there are really two main reasons i use it, 1) if i freenx/vnc into the server, i can control the network connections from the gui, 2) network-manager provides an easy facility for running scripts pre and post connection
[06:40] <airtonix> oh and the other sweet feature is that if you are using a server as a router, and your servers WAN is wifi... then you can have it setup multiple access points, and take the one that is active
[06:41] <airtonix> i mean you might be able to do that with the traditional method of controlling network connections
[06:43] <airtonix> but im not sure if it auto connects to an access point if the connection is dropped for some reason
[06:44] <ball> For now I'm just looking for something that works.  My wife's Windows XP machine won't connect to our new wireless LAN and my usual OS is insanely difficult to configure
[06:44] <ball> ...I've heard good things about Ubuntu and it's time I learned it, so this project is an opportunity to a) pacify the missus and b) learn some Ubuntu
[06:45] <airtonix> you plan on using desktop ubuntu as well then ?
[06:47] <ball> I use it occasionally.  I'm actually typing this on a laptop that's running Xubuntu
[06:52] <ball> I would like to roll out some ltsp stuff eventually, but I have to do this one step at a time.
[06:54] <airtonix> drbl is also a good alternative to ltsp
[06:55] <airtonix> depends on what the enviroment is like though
[06:55] <airtonix> firs i would obviously check that a standard 10.04 ubuntu liveusb can do all the things you want it to on your wifes desktop
[06:56] <ball> The ltsp stuff is for the office, not on her machine.
[07:03] <qman__> network-manager has on many occasions become the bane of my existence
[07:03] <qman__> so I'd avoid using it if at all possible
[07:04] <qman__> however, as noted, wireless isn't exactly suited to the traditional setup
[07:05] <ball> qman__: Is it painful to configure wireless (with WPA2-PSK) on Ubuntu Server?
[07:05] <qman__> then again, wireless is evil and should not be used unless absolutely necessary
[07:05] <ball> qman__: Sadly it's necessary at home
[07:05] <airtonix> yeah wireless is not really a reliable connection for a server
[07:05] <qman__> for a single network you always connect to, it's not too hard
[07:05] <qman__> the problem arises when you have multiple networks
[07:05] <ball> qman__: That
[07:06] <ball> 's what I'm trying to achieve: just join a single network
[07:06] <qman__> which you then have to manage in some way
[07:06] <airtonix> i've never had a problem with network-manager
[07:06] <qman__> I haven't done it myself but it basically amounts to filling out a configuration file with your network information
[07:06] <airtonix> except when things try to override it with static network definitions
[07:06] <airtonix> like ebox did
[07:07] <qman__> I think it's outlined in the server guide, I'll check
[07:07] <nandemonai> ball: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo <- Good place to start
[07:08] <qman__> that guide is horribly out of date
[07:08] <nandemonai> Also as qman__ said, pretty sure it's in the server guide.
[07:09] <nandemonai> As are a lot of the guides these days unfortunately.
[07:09] <nandemonai> Most of it should hold true.
[07:09]  * ball nods  ...it's sometimes difficult to know where to look for Ubuntu documentation
[07:09] <airtonix> ball: for now i think your learning curvve can be reduced by simply using a desktop iso with  the gdm init script removed...
[07:09] <airtonix> configuring the wifi will be alot easier then
[07:09] <nandemonai> Was simple in 8.10.
[07:10] <ball> I was hoping I could do it from within Ubuntu Server
[07:10] <nandemonai> Last time I used wifi on server
[07:10] <airtonix> ball: there isn't much difference between ubuntu-server and ubuntu-desktop
[07:10] <airtonix> presence of gnome really
[07:10] <airtonix> and openoffice
[07:11] <airtonix> oh and network manager
[07:11] <qman__> I avoid doing that personally
[07:11] <airtonix> why is that ?
[07:11] <ball> I could try Xubuntu I suppose.
[07:11] <qman__> my problems with network manager are similar to other problems I've had with GUI applications
[07:11] <airtonix> what are those ?
[07:11] <qman__> they try to do things differently than the 'manual' way
[07:11] <ball> ...does Xubuntu have this network manager thing?
[07:11] <qman__> and therefore interfere with each other
[07:11] <nandemonai> It's a server right?
[07:11] <qman__> often breaking stuff in unexpected ways
[07:11] <airtonix> ball: i dont think so
[07:11] <nandemonai> Run a LAN cable to the wifi router.
[07:11] <nandemonai> Fixed :P
[07:11] <airtonix> qman__: so what are those problems ?
[07:12] <qman__> things not working
[07:12] <airtonix> which is ?
[07:12] <qman__> whatever that GUI application is fighting the config files over
[07:12] <ball> nandemonai: That would involve going into the crawlspace under the house, something I avoid at the best of times and -20C is not the best of times.
[07:12] <qman__> in the case of network manager, the network
[07:12] <dschuett> anyone in here running bind9 on ubuntu server 10.04?
[07:12] <airtonix> qman__: so you don't actually remember ?
[07:12] <airtonix> dschuett: yes
[07:12] <airtonix> well not server
[07:12] <qman__> the network not working is pretty clear
[07:12]  * nandemonai <3 airtonix 
[07:13] <airtonix> so you don't know and just want to spread doubt ?
[07:13] <qman__> the biggest problem is not that they disagree, but that it's nearly impossible to fix
[07:13] <ball> Perhaps I can run the full version of Ubuntu, if that's what's required to get this working.
[07:13] <qman__> without simply removing the GUI application
[07:13] <nandemonai> It's really not ball.
[07:13] <airtonix> hoho
[07:13] <nandemonai> Look into iwconfig.
[07:13] <nandemonai> I doubt they've just up and dropped it.
[07:14] <airtonix> it's still there
[07:14] <nandemonai> As I said though it's been a while since I've dabbled with wifi on server.
[07:14] <dschuett> airtonix: ok, so if i MANUALLY set my windows OR linux client within my network to use 8.8.8.8 as it's DNS server AND i flush dns - then do an nslookup on one of my internal hostnames it STILL resolves them? how is it resolving my internal dns through googles public DNS?
[07:15] <qman__> dschuett, it isn't
[07:15] <qman__> there are more name resolvers than DNS
[07:15] <qman__> most of them automagic
[07:15] <airtonix> wut?
[07:15] <airtonix> isn't nslookup a windows thing ?
[07:15] <qman__> no
[07:16] <qman__> nslookup is 'deprecated' but it gets results differently than dig
[07:16] <qman__> and is therefore still useful
[07:16] <dschuett> qman: so even if i do a nslookkup...server 8.8.8.8 dschuett.scs.local it should still resolve?
[07:16] <airtonix> .locals are resolved from avahi
[07:16] <airtonix> on the linux side
[07:17] <dschuett> well even if i leave the .local off it still resolves
[07:17] <qman__> nslookup uses the system's normal name lookup bits
[07:17] <qman__> if you want a DNS-only lookup, use dig
[07:17] <airtonix> dschuett: so you have samba running on all machines ?
[07:18] <qman__> and yeah, .local is a special name
[07:18] <qman__> that you're really not supposed to use for anything outside of the local machine
[07:19] <dschuett> airtonix... ok so .local should still resolve even if i use an external DNS server? - just did "dig @8.8.8.8 dschuett-lmtl.scs.local and it DOES resolve
[07:19] <qman__> calling your network .local is dandy in an active directory environment but can cause unexpected issues in a linux environment
[07:20] <airtonix> ?
[07:20] <qman__> dschuett, pastebin the full response please
[07:21] <airtonix> any machine with avahi or bonjour running is always going to have a secondary domain called .local
[07:21] <Thirtysixway> any reason https://10.cloud.ubuntu.com/ says 10.10 hasn't been released yet?
[07:21] <dschuett> qman_:http://pastebin.com/4pUHtAJA
[07:23] <qman__> gateway.scs.local. gave you that answer
[07:23] <qman__> not google
[07:25] <qman__> as to why it bothered asking that server, I couldn't tell you
[07:25] <dschuett> qman__: gotcha, dig DOES work better, a lot more informational
[07:25] <qman__> but that is where the answer came from
[07:25] <dschuett> qman__: yeah, i guess that is what i'm confused about as well
[07:27] <qman__> according to the man page it shouldn't have
[07:27] <qman__> but I don't know enough about dig and how it resolves to answer that mystery
[07:29] <dschuett> qman__: i just did the same dig command on the DNS server itself and it doesn't resolve
[07:29] <dschuett> weird
[07:30] <dschuett> the BIND9 ubuntu server that is
[07:30] <dschuett> kind of weird that it resolves on clients, but not on the bind server itself... hmmm
[07:33] <qman__> yeah, it's grabbing it through some other resolving method apparently
[07:34] <qman__> I thought dig wasn't supposed to do that but apparently I was mistaken
[07:34] <airtonix> did you post your resolv.conf yet ?
[07:35] <airtonix> just so there is no assumption
[07:35] <airtonix> s*
[07:43] <dschuett> airtonix: resolv.conf just contains these two lines: search scs.local    nameserver 192.168.0.1
[07:45] <airtonix> is your bind zone actually called scs.local ?
[07:46] <airtonix> because that's going to conflict with the avahi clients you have running
[07:46] <dschuett> airtonix: yes that is my zone name
[07:47] <dschuett> well scs.local.db
[07:47] <airtonix> i would think about using .home instead of .local for the dns configurations
[07:47] <airtonix> and let avahi/bonjour have .local for their little mutlicast auto dns party
[07:48] <airtonix> dschuett: yes my zone file also ends with .db but that's mostly irrelevant to how the hostnames resolve
[07:49] <airtonix> dschuett: i'll post you my resolve.conf from a client and the zone file from my server so you can examine
[07:49] <dschuett> airtonix: that would be awesome
[07:49] <dschuett> so is .local "reserved"?
[07:51] <airtonix> yes, if you have ubuntu desktop clients (then you have avahi clients broadcasting across port 5353 making CNAME queries on the .local domain )
[07:51] <airtonix> same with macosx and windows if you have bonjour printing services installed
[07:56] <airtonix> http://pastie.org/1533253
[07:58] <dschuett> THANKS!
[07:59] <airtonix> sorry i missed out named.conf.local
[07:59] <airtonix> http://pastie.org/1533253
[07:59] <airtonix> gah
[07:59] <airtonix> actually
[07:59] <airtonix> revised, just reload
[08:00] <airtonix> i'm still working out how to get dhcpd3-server to auto update bind dns records under certian cirumstances
[08:02] <dschuett> airtonix: ironic...that is my next project
[08:21] <Tohuw> if I've added an ldif like so: ldapadd -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -f name_of_file, how would I back out every change that file made?
[08:23] <airtonix> good question
[08:23] <airtonix> not one that would be explained by documentation i suspect
[08:24] <Tohuw> I assume there's some documentation somewhere detailing how this might be done, but I've yet to find it. I freely admit to not having read EFM (every * manual) on LDAP, but I've been hunting.
[08:25] <jmarsden> Tohuw: I think you need to look at what name_of_file does and write the opposite set of LDAP changes and then apply those... of course there is no "undelete" command, or "unupdate", so in reality if your file deleted or updated entries in LDAP, the only way to undo that (as far as I know) is to restore from backup.
[08:25] <jmarsden> It's like saying  What is the opposite of the SQL command "DROP TABLE foo;" ?     -- the answer is to restore foo from backups.
[08:26] <Tohuw> jmarsden: that makes sense. I'll see if I can write an opposite to it... if I pastebin the ldif (it's not very long, and essentially the same backend configuration ldif found in the Ubuntu Server Guide), do you care to take a gander at it?
[08:26] <Tohuw> If I have to restore ldap, it won't be difficult... I just installed it :D
[08:26] <jmarsden> No, I was already marking myself away and about to go to bed... it is 00:26 here...
[08:26] <jmarsden> Bad timing :)
[08:27] <Tohuw> ah, 03:26 here. Night!
[08:27] <jmarsden> Goodnight.
[09:51] <Tuxist> hi
[09:52] <Tuxist> i have problem with tls
[09:52] <Tuxist> and proftpd
[09:53] <Tuxist> module conf http://pastebin.com/54vWz6W4 tls conf http://pastebin.com/qPjAtdzk
[09:53] <Tuxist> i have also created new packages with proftpd 1.3.3 from debian unstable without success
[09:59] <Tuxist> i got auth not found
[10:32] <acidflash> hello all
[10:32] <acidflash> i have a program, which one startup cannot get assigned to it more then 1024 file descriptors, but when i do service whatever restart after the startup, it gets assigned the 1M that its supposed to, how can i make it so that it gets assigned the 1M at startup, using ubuntu 10.04 or 10.10, same on both
[10:34] <acidflash> one/on/spl
[13:13] <nimrod10> !init scripts
[13:13] <RoyK> !initscripts
[13:13] <RoyK> mianosm1: what about them?
[13:15] <RoyK> ubottu: init scripts are https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
[13:15] <RoyK> ubottu: initscripts are https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
[13:15] <RoyK> idiobot
[13:15] <RoyK> ubottu: initscripts is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
[13:15] <RoyK> ubottu: init scripts is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
[14:23] <charas> Can anyone help me with this problem? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4913561/how-to-reset-virtualenv-and-pep
[15:20] <resno> quick question about setting up a ubuntu server as a router. for a small network, can we out end up pushing to much through it?
[15:20] <patdk-lap> sure
[15:21] <patdk-lap> what are the specs of the router?
[15:22] <resno> P4
[15:23] <resno> i dont remember exactly
[15:23] <compdoc> youre worried about making the server too busy? what else does it do?
[15:23] <patdk-lap> it's everything a p4 these days?
[15:23] <compdoc> p4 is old
[15:23] <resno> well, pushing to much through the nic or making it process to much
[15:23] <lenios> p4 should handle a small network without issues
[15:23] <patdk-lap> everything was a p4, till the i3/5/7/9
[15:24] <resno> its doing a bit more then just networking stuff
[15:24] <resno> and the loads can get highish at times
[15:24] <patdk-lap> my p3 1.2ghz handles 1200mbit, routing
[15:24] <resno> patdk-lap: does yours only do routing or other services?
[15:25] <patdk-lap> only routing
[15:25] <resno> its possible it could slow down the internet if its under high load right?
[15:25] <patdk-lap> well, it does do full bgp tables
[15:25] <patdk-lap> that does use up a crapload of cpu time
[15:26] <compdoc> its prolly a bad idea to use an important server as a router, if youre doing it yourself. could be a security risk if you dont configure it right
[15:26] <patdk-lap> resno, using nat/masq/conntrack?
[15:26] <resno> compdoc: yea, ive thought about
[15:26] <resno> patdk-lap: yes
[15:26] <patdk-lap> could be an issue there
[15:27] <patdk-lap> without any type if firewalling, I don't see it being much of an issue, load wise
[15:27] <resno> but the firewalling and associated things could be bad news?
[15:27] <patdk-lap> not sure
[15:27] <patdk-lap> it will need to use memory, and track things
[15:27] <patdk-lap> and I'm sure that isn't done in the interrupt
[15:27] <patdk-lap> so would be scheduled
[15:28] <resno> hmm, its already pushed to its limit on ram
[15:28] <patdk-lap> as it needs to alloc memory and stuff
[15:28] <resno> could i potentially open up samba to the world?
[15:28] <resno> if configured wrong?
[15:29] <patdk-lap> always :)
[15:29] <patdk-lap> most isp's drop samba stuff tough
[15:29] <nandemonai> Think about the hardware on a router.
[15:29] <patdk-lap> but that is what a firewall is for
[15:29] <nandemonai> You're way exceeding that on a semi modern PC.
[15:29] <nandemonai> It'll manage just fine.
[15:29] <nandemonai> Heck a P2 would probably handle it fine.
[15:30] <resno> well, i mainly want the experince of doing it and mananging it. to get experince of managing a server better
[15:30] <patdk-lap> nandemonai, not really
[15:30] <patdk-lap> but he hasn't said what his internet connection is
[15:30] <patdk-lap> a p2 would never handle my internet connection
[15:30] <resno> patdk-lap: how many machines do you have?
[15:30] <patdk-lap> 20
[15:30] <resno> at home?
[15:31] <resno> or at work?
[15:31] <patdk-lap> both :)
[15:31] <resno> heh, nice
[15:31] <patdk-lap> but it's nice to have multible gigabit fiber connections
[15:32] <resno> heh, youve got quite a setup then
[15:32] <RoyK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhsSxCIrQTI <-- Gaiman FTW :)
[15:32] <resno> patdk-lap: so, ill take your advice. should i do it, or just play with vps instead. if i want to be a sys admin?
[15:33] <patdk-lap> play with vps?
[15:33]  * patdk-lap is lost
[15:33] <resno> virtual private server, like an almost dedicated server
[15:34] <patdk-lap> ya, but how did that fit any of what was being discussed?
[15:34] <patdk-lap> you can't just say random crap and expect people to understand
[15:35] <resno> oh, i am trying to setup an enviroment to gain experince. a vps would be less crucial install i can play with and not expose my network, and files.
[15:36] <patdk-lap> normally vps's don't seperate network and files
[15:36] <patdk-lap> they are half joined atleast to the host system
[15:36] <patdk-lap> you could try a vm
[15:37] <patdk-lap> but both of these options, if done on that same computer would put an even higher load on it
[15:37] <resno> you can configure a vm to mangage the network?
[15:37] <resno> i actually run a vm lol
[15:38]  * resno breathes
[15:39] <resno> well, i think i just want to gain mangaging experince, how ever i can get real experince. ill do that
[15:39] <resno> patdk-lap: howd you start admining?
[15:42] <patdk-lap> by watching Hackers :)
[15:43] <resno> heh, did you make a honeypot?
[15:43] <patdk-lap> and sneakers :)
[15:43]  * resno throws honey in the street
[18:30] <ball> Ugh. I try not to hate Linux, but I can't install Ubuntu Server because of the stupid graphical splash screen.
[18:30] <ball> :-(
[18:31] <RoyK> ball: just press F4 in the grub menu
[18:31] <RoyK> or perhaps use the alternate install
[18:32] <gobbe> ball: eh? what does splash screen prevent?
[18:32] <gobbe> and why?
[18:33] <RoyK> the splash screen comes after grub boot
[18:34] <RoyK> press F4 and then you can change the boot args
[18:34] <RoyK> one of them is quiet, one is splash, remove those
[18:35] <RoyK> IIRC pressing F6 will give you the commandline
[18:37] <ball> RoyK: I don't get a grub menu.
[18:38] <ball> gobbe: Doesn't work with my hardware.
[18:38] <gobbe> ball: not even grub?
[18:38] <RoyK> ball: can you try the alternate install CD?
[18:40] <ball> RoyK: I'll try downloading that now.
[18:41] <ball> Shouldn't be necu
[18:41] <ball> oops
[19:12] <airtonix> there's a graphical splash screen with ubuntu server iso now ?
[19:12] <airtonix> last time i used the server iso, it was ascii all the way down
[19:12] <ball> airtonix: Appears that way.
[19:12] <ball> Makes it fail on my hardware.
[19:17] <RoyK> airtonix: the grub menu on the installer has been graphic for a while
[19:17] <airtonix> not for me
[19:17] <RoyK> ball: did you test the alternate installer?
[19:18] <airtonix> you must be doing somethiing to piss it off
[19:18] <RoyK> airtonix: not really - I've installed quite a few dozens of ubuntu lucid - it's graphic - beleive me
[19:18] <airtonix> i only have a plymouth splash screen on desktop isos
[19:19] <airtonix> well i don't because so have i
[19:19] <airtonix> apologies in advanced for not believing you
[19:38] <avis> i installed a web server, very basic and minimal, with apache2, last might and for some odd reason it caused my computer to lock up.  it would render my monitor one color, and have to be forced switched off.  all memory passes memtest86 with no sweat.
[19:39] <avis> is there perhaps a very light web server that may not give as much issues ?  and all the relevant (and hopefully few) packages need it for it to be a real web server ?
[19:39] <avis> if you could lend a hand in this capacity i would like to give it another shot.
[19:40] <greppy> avis: define a "real" webserver :)
[19:40] <greppy> lighthttpd is used by quite a few folks.
[19:41] <avis> light and functions for most basic web applications should i wish to deploy them.  low on resources, not taxing on the computer, and hopefully wont cause my screen/system state to go fubar :)
[19:41] <avis> i'll try that one.  can i use sqllite3 with that ?
[19:42] <avis> granted, my computer, its not low powered either.  i'm not sure why it would lock up.
[19:42] <greppy> not sure, do you mean to use sqlite3 or use php that uses sqlite3?
[19:42] <avis> well i assume i need SQL and i assume i need PHP
[19:43] <avis> so basic package names or a url referencing a how to would be of great assistance
[19:43] <avis> and i prefer to keep things "light" for webserver i'd got gnome running overhead.
[19:43] <greppy> I'd just be googling it.
[19:43] <avis> cool.  thank you
[19:44] <greppy> lighthttpd + php I think is doable, might have to load it as a cgi instead of a module, not sure though, haven't used it much.
[19:44] <greppy> I normally use lighhttpd for static content.
[19:44] <RoyK> avis: apache is dead stable
[19:45] <RoyK> avis: if your computer locked up, I guess it's either something that ate a truckload of memory, or a hardware failure
[19:45] <RoyK> the latter is most likely
[19:46] <RoyK> avis: that is - apache is as stable as the web apps are. you aren't using CGI, are you?
[19:48] <avis> i am not
[19:48] <RoyK> good
[19:49] <avis> for some reason it caused a graphics lockup or single color screen
[19:49] <avis> i have 8 gb of memory
[19:49] <avis> radeon 5670 using propietary drivers
[19:49] <RoyK> avis: do you have mcelog running?
[19:49] <avis> never heard of it
[19:49] <RoyK> apt-get install ...
[19:49] <avis> ok
[19:49] <RoyK> mce == machine check exception
[19:50] <RoyK> if a detectable hardware failure occurs, it will be logged
[19:50] <avis> very good
[19:50] <avis> and a quick way to install apache2 with necessary components ?  or should i goggle a how-to ?
[19:50] <RoyK> setup that to use syslog and if possible, configure syslog to log to another host over IP as well, in case syslog can't write to the disks
[19:51] <RoyK> avis: which components?
[19:51] <RoyK> the apache2 package has most of what would be needed
[19:51] <genii-around> Does mce tell you anything about ecc ram if it starts to quietly fail?
[19:51] <RoyK> genii-around: yes
[19:52] <genii-around> RoyK: Cool, thanks
[19:53] <RoyK> avis: perhaps libapache2-mod-php5 might be needed on top of that if you plan to use PHP
[19:53] <avis> i'm giving this a shot sudo apt-get install apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server
[19:53] <RoyK> looks reasonable
[19:53] <avis> thank you RoyK
[19:53] <RoyK> :)
[19:54] <avis> may i ask one question.  how do i redirect apache2 to use port 8080 ?  is that frowned upon ?  it works here on dsl, thats all i can say.  not frowned by isp but to others going to sites
[19:57] <avis> googling,t hanks
[19:58] <genii-around> avis: In /etc/apache2/ports.conf            usually
[19:58] <RoyK> avis: redirect or reconfigure?
[19:59] <RoyK> redirection is usually done with HTTP headers, <head><meta redirect... or javascript
[20:04] <shadow42085> I need a Control Panel to setup and magange a server
[20:04] <greppy> shadow42085: what services?
[20:04] <RoyK> !guide
[20:04] <avis> what would be the name of a virtual host in the /etc/apache2/ports.conf ?  or is * sufficient if i plan on using a dyndns.org service, assuming, that its too much for a novice to get real domains to point at a computer using dyndns.org (dynamic ip) and still point to 8080
[20:05] <avis> RoyK, i don't believe i can redirect from 80 to 8080 since 80 is block by at&t
[20:05] <greppy> !ebox | shadow42085 or if you just want webhosting type stuff take a look at http://www.froxlor.org
[20:05] <RoyK> avis: then you need to redirect from somewhere else
[20:05] <shadow42085> Mail/MySQL/Apache and other services I may addon
[20:05] <RoyK> avis: there is no chance to redirect to 8080 if 80 is blocked
[20:06] <shadow42085> avis port fort ward it works
[20:06] <avis> thats what i said, paraphrased, yes.
[20:06] <avis> shadow42085, hmm.  i dont understand port forwarding.
[20:07] <RoyK> shadow42085: when port 80 is blocked into his IP, a port forward won't help much
[20:07] <shadow42085> are you running behind a NA router
[20:07] <shadow42085> are you running behind a NAT router**
[20:07] <RoyK> shadow42085: see above - his ISP blocks 80/tcp
[20:09] <Nafallo> RoyK: well... you could make the re-direct on an external host... ;-)
[20:09] <shadow42085> need to ask to unblock 80/tcp
[20:09] <avis> i am behind a router yes
[20:09] <avis> they wont do it.  its AT&T
[20:09] <shadow42085> I have them as well
[20:10] <shadow42085> and I can run my own server
[20:10] <avis> redirect on external host sounds wonderful if it will allow my to use www.mydomain.com
[20:10] <avis> oh wow
[20:10] <avis> might you be able to pass along that contact information to me ?
[20:10] <shadow42085> you need to get into your gateway settings
[20:11] <avis> at&t dsl modem device ?
[20:11] <shadow42085> correct
[20:11] <avis> what would i change there ?
[20:11] <shadow42085> look in the firewall settings
[20:11] <avis> i'm using a standlone modem not a 2wire gateway
[20:11] <avis> mine is simply a dsl modem not a gateway i don't think
[20:12] <avis> i could conceiveably use the 2wire modem though if i can unblock port 80
[20:12] <shadow42085> does it have a  modem/router/firewall setup
[20:12] <avis> the one i took down does
[20:13] <shadow42085> send me a snapshot of the modems internal setup
[20:13] <avis> i'm now using a tp-link running dd-wrt and a small black dsl modem powering my connection
[20:13] <avis> you got it
[20:13] <shadow42085> which is at 192.168.1.254 normal
[20:14] <shadow42085> if you need to find out if on windows machine run ipconfig /all linux not sure
[20:16] <shadow42085> gateways are easier to work with
[20:20] <shadow42085> the firewall is in the way turn it off on the server or port forward 80/8080 and other ports u will need
[20:21] <avis> if you see my PM you'll see you may be referring to a device i'm not using
[20:22] <avis> i'm dying to get off at&t
[20:23] <avis> its my maltese diamond
[20:23] <avis> comcast wont take me as a refugee.  i'd have to pay full installation price
[20:23] <shadow42085> heres a link http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19305061-Port-Forwarding-using-the-Speedstream-4100
[20:24] <avis> oh, thanks
[20:25] <shadow42085> basically using a 3rd party router or getting a gateway s you only options
[20:26] <shadow42085> but 3rd party routers are only good as the name
[20:26] <avis> so have pppoe set on the computer, and auth on the router, than 80 might not be blocked ?  the url was vague to me
[20:26] <shadow42085> Linksys by Cisco is best
[20:26] <avis> i've got a great tp-link running dd-wrt
[20:27] <avis> i've also got a asus rt-n16 and a rt-n12
[20:27] <avis> running dd-wrt
[20:27] <avis> i'll try
[20:29] <shadow42085> dd-wrt?
[20:29] <fluvvell> avis, which tp-link ?
[20:30] <mr> would it be easier for me to install apache, mysql, ftp, etc during the base install or do it manualy afterwards? I'm new to ubuntu
[20:31] <guntbert> mr: doesn't make any difference
[20:31] <guntbert> !lamp | mr
[20:33] <mr> ok, my problem  is once everything is installed, I can't ftp the default apache folder for my web site
[20:33] <shadow42085> sudo chmod 777 /var/www
[20:33] <genii-around> mr: If you're already running a standard Ubuntu install ( which i think you are because of your earlier activity in #ubuntu ) you can just issue: sudo tasksel                 and it gives you a checklist. lamp and ssh server and so on.
[20:34] <jmarsden> shadow42085: That is horrible security practice, and not the right way to do it :)
[20:34] <mr> ok thanks
[20:34] <shadow42085> so use 766?
[20:35] <jmarsden> shadow42085: Leave it alone, add a new site directory (under there or wherever you want it) and make the new dir owned by the user who will ftp into it.
[20:36] <fluvvell> anyone ever used centrify? care to comment on?
[20:36] <mr> ok, will i have to change the conf file in apache2 to look there instead of it's default location?
[20:37] <jmarsden> mr: Add a new site file that has the info in it, rather than changing the default, I would suggest.
[20:38] <jmarsden> mr: In Ubuntu there is no one "conf file" for apache, there is a whole tree of such files.
[20:38] <mr> ok, thanks everyone. I think i will need a good tutorial or a good ebook on how to configutre this stuff.
[20:38] <jmarsden> mr: Try   man a2ensite     for some info on adding a site to your Apache configuration.
[20:40] <mr> any suggestions for any?
[20:44] <mr> where can i find good information for people that's new to ubuntu on configuring apache, etc
[20:46] <jmarsden> mr: Did you read through the Server Guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/
[20:46] <jmarsden> It is in the /topic for this channel.
[20:46] <mr> will that work for 10.10 as well
[20:47] <mr> i'll check it out. thanks jmarsden
[20:47] <Pici> Yes, but if you want to be sure, change the 10.04 to 10.10 in the url.
[20:47] <jmarsden> mr: Most people installing Ubuntu Server still use the LTS edition, 10.04, which is why that is what the topic says.
[20:48] <mr> thanks Pici.
[20:48] <mr> ok
[20:50] <Pici> Yep :)
[20:50] <mr> thanks everyone. Going to read the server guide and try it again. I WON'T give up. Have to leave windows, tired of crashes and slow speed.
[20:59] <shadow42085> I have a domain name with no-ip.com
[21:00] <shadow42085> since I am behind a NAT router
[21:00] <shadow42085> couldn't get a DNS server setip
[21:01] <ffrt> hi all - anyone that can help with returning errors in burned boot cdroms on ubuntu server 10.04?
[21:02] <jmarsden> shadow42085: Is there a question waiting to be typed? 3 statements but no question from you... seems odd...?
[21:03] <jmarsden> ffrt: After you burn them can you read the image back from the CD-R and compare it with the original ISO?  Any differences?
[21:03] <shadow42085> sorry about that I was trying to ask is there a way to setup a DNS server behind a NAT router
[21:04] <ffrt> jmarsden: didn't try that yet, 1 sec
[21:04] <jmarsden> shadow42085: if port forward TCP and UDP port 53 to your server, it should work.
[21:05] <jmarsden> But DNS servers need to be at a static IP address, usually people at home using no-ip.com have dynamic IP addresses...
[21:06] <shadow42085> I need to configure my NAT router to use static
[21:06] <shadow42085> just for the server and use dhcp for the others
[21:07] <jmarsden> shadow42085: .... no... wait, you want a DNS server just for a local private zone?  or a real Internet-facing DNS server?
[21:07] <shadow42085> internet face
[21:07] <jmarsden> Then your *public* IP needs to be static, so you can tell your registrar where the DNS servers for your zone are in terms of a non-changing IP address.
[21:08] <jmarsden> Do not confuse LAN internal addresses and public Internet ones :)
[21:08] <genii-around> shadow42085: So outside boxes can resolve something like sub.sub.no-ip.com ?
[21:08] <shadow42085> my current setup is ahdowschat.no-ip.org
[21:09] <shadow42085> shadowchat.no-ip.org**
[21:09] <jmarsden> shadow42085: More statements instead of questions? :)
[21:09] <jmarsden> shadow42085: Do you have a static public IP address, or not?
[21:10] <shadow42085> not at the moment
[21:10] <shadow42085> how would I do that with my NAT Router
[21:10] <jmarsden> Then you cannot sensibly run an internet facing DNS server.
[21:10] <jmarsden> It is not about the NAT router!  It is about the public Ip your ISp gives you.
[21:11] <shadow42085> I have a public address I use
[21:11] <shadow42085> my isp address
[21:11] <jmarsden> And... is it static?  or not?
[21:11] <shadow42085> currently dhcp
[21:11] <jmarsden> Then you cannot sanely run an Internet facing DNS server behind it.
[21:12] <jmarsden> Upgrade to a static address, and then try setting up a DNS server if you really want to run one.
[21:12] <jmarsden> Probably easier to let no-ip.org or some other place run the DNS server on your behalf.
[21:13] <jmarsden> I think no-ip.org wants $6/month to run DNS for a few domains, and your ISP will probably want more than that to give you a static IP.
[21:15] <azlon> is there a way to lock down a user to only allow them to access the SFTP or SCP protocols and not give them shell access to the command line?
[21:15] <azlon> i didn't phrase that very well... but you probably get what i mean
[21:17] <shadow42085> ok I want to setup a mail server using either sendmail or postfix and rend/send mail using squrrialmail
[21:17] <shadow42085> I have a MX record already made
[21:18] <shadow42085> mail.shadowchat.no-ip.org
[21:18] <jmarsden> azlon: Yes.  man authorized_keys   and look for the  command= part, you can specify what commands someone coming in over ssh can execute
[21:18] <azlon> jmarsden: thanks
[21:19] <jmarsden> shadow42085: Your ISP allows inbound connections to port 25, on a home dynamic DSL line? Most do not.
[21:19] <ffrt> jmarsden: created new image, checksummed cd and 2 images, all are identical
[21:19] <shadow42085> I can port forward it on my router
[21:19] <ffrt> jmarsden: any other ideas?
[21:20] <jmarsden> shadow42085: You can, but if the ISP blocks inbound traffic, that traffic will not even reach your router to be port forwarded.
[21:20] <ffrt> jmarsden: fyi, when in the server install, and i run a verify cd-rom, i get errors on the MD5 checksum
[21:20] <jmarsden> ffrt: It generally "just works" if the hardware (CD burner and CD-R disk) is good.
[21:21] <jmarsden> ffrt: Ah... So the drive is not reading the CD properly, maybe?  How did you create that server CD?
[21:21] <ffrt> on my mac
[21:21] <ffrt> jmarsden: on my mac
[21:22] <jmarsden> Then I have no idea if it is any good or not... try creating one using the server itself, if you have Ubuntu installed, and see if that works any better?  I can't help with testing Mac CD burning software, I just don't know about that.
[21:24] <ffrt> jmarsden:  ok thx anyway
[21:25] <jmarsden> You're welcome.  A correctly burned Ubuntu CD should test out fine using that verify CD menu item, that much I know.
[21:26] <guntbert> he is gone :)
[21:27] <airtonix> driveby questioneer
[21:36] <shadow42085> could I change the mail server fom 25 to another?
[21:36] <shadow42085> from**
[21:37] <jmarsden> shadow42085: Yes, but then no email will ever reach it from other mail servers :)
[21:38] <shadow42085> hmm
[21:39] <jmarsden> shadow42085: What exactly are you doing that needs a full blown DNS and mail server at home???
[21:40] <shadow42085> full chat server NOT plugged a simple link or other BS
[21:40] <shadow42085> an MSN/Yahoo chat server
[21:40] <jmarsden> OK... And why does a "chat server" need DNS and email servers to run on the same machine??
[21:41] <shadow42085> mail server for registration
[21:41] <jmarsden> shadow42085: outbound email only?  No email coming in?
[21:42] <shadow42085> the DNS was an option to use a .co.cc domain instead of an no-ip.com sub-domain
[21:42] <shadow42085> inbound and ooutbound
[21:43] <jmarsden> Then I think you are stuck; consider getting a little virtual private server and doing this "up in the cloud" instead, maybe?  Such as at linode.com ?
[21:43] <shadow42085> don;t have the funds for something like that
[21:45] <jmarsden> $20/mo for the smallest one is pretty cheap.  But OK.  Can you get your home DSL upgraded to have a static IP and no port blocking for incoming traffic?
[21:46] <shadow42085> possible but if 25 is not blocked then no roblems right
[21:46] <shadow42085> problems**
[21:53] <jmarsden> Right.
[21:54] <jmarsden> Do you have something listening on port 25 right now?
[21:54] <jmarsden> I can test for you...
[22:05] <shadow42085> well I need to get postfix or send mail setup I was getting confused on setting it uo
[22:06] <jmarsden> OK, maybe later.  I need to go out for a while.
[22:15] <qman__> if it's just for registration, you can get around residential ISPs blocking mail by configuring postfix to use a gmail account
[22:16] <qman__> but all mail will be 'from' that gmail account
[23:38] <tohuw> Can someone point me to an example of a zone file for a local server? I just have this DNS server using a private IP on an internal private subnet, and want to make an entry so hostname-of-machine resolves to the machine, like it would if I made an entry in /etc/hosts client-side. I am used to making zone files for public websites, so I'm uncertain about how to handle the FQDN of the machine, the SOA, etc.