[00:21] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well everyone.
[02:14] <multiHYP> hi guys
[02:15] <multiHYP> where is the file that is preloading my terminals with certain environment variables?
[02:17] <multiHYP> anybody awake and know the answer?
[02:24] <ali1234> /etc/environment
[02:24] <multiHYP> cheets ali
[02:25] <ali1234> also /etc/profile
[02:25] <multiHYP> so which one?
[02:25] <ali1234> both
[02:25] <multiHYP> mostly for logged in user, cause i don't have admin permission
[02:25] <ali1234> ~/.profile
[02:28] <multiHYP> yes that seems the right one
[02:30] <multiHYP> if vnc is installed on the linux machine, where is it and how can i lunch it? i am logged into it remotely via ssh...
[02:31] <multiHYP> *launch
[02:31] <multiHYP> :D
[02:31] <ali1234> if it was installed it would be in the path
[02:32] <multiHYP> like the result of $ env   ?
[08:39] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:42] <AlanBell> Debian have released a new version http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2011/msg00001.html
[08:53] <Jora> hi
[09:27] <mattt> alanbell: nice!
[09:56] <jonsaint> hi all. im trying to install an exe file which lets me manage my phone via my pc but its saying something about the 'executable bit'. anyone got any ideas??
[10:04] <jonsaint> hi all. anyone about to help??
[10:31] <jonsaint> hi all. anyone about to help???
[10:43] <AlanBell> my debian torrent is done
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> that took 2 hours?! :P
[10:50] <AlanBell> um, no don't think so
[10:51] <AlanBell> I went shopping
[10:53]  * MartijnVdS went running
[11:07] <Myrtti> boo.
[11:07] <Myrtti> D left for UK
[11:08]  * MartijnVdS disables compiz so everything works again
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. drag&drop, window snapping)
[11:33] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[12:09]  * MartijnVdS doesn't like the state natty is in
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> with everything crashing left and right
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> seemingly randomly
[12:10] <brobostigon> :(
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> :'( even
[12:11] <brobostigon> i found a working, cyanogenmod 7/android 2.3 build, for my htc dream last night, and other than one random restart, it hs been working fine.
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> isn't it slow?
[12:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: its slow in places, but overall pretty smooth and quick.
[12:17] <brobostigon> onlyplace where its slow, is when minimising an app, back to desktop.
[12:17]  * MartijnVdS waits for the official update on nexus one :(
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> speculation is that there's a data leak bug
[12:18] <brobostigon> everywhere else, there seems to be improvements.
[12:19] <brobostigon> hmm. :(
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/jiang/nexuss.html
[12:20]  * brobostigon kicks androids standerd keyboard for its memeory use, and installs swype.
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> hmm fresh darjeeling
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> Does this work outside the Netherlands? http://3voor12.vpro.nl/speler/luisterpaal/44438012#luisterpaal.44438012
[12:22] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: its trying to load.
[12:22] <brobostigon> loaded.
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> does it stream audiO?
[12:22] <brobostigon> i cant try right now, sorry.
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> np :)
[12:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i havent found any serious breakage yet, but i hve learnt to do a nand backup, just incase, i need to roll back.
[12:30] <brobostigon> next test will be going to the pub, and testing battery life and usage.
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> going to the pub is always the best test ;)
[12:34] <brobostigon> agreed, and especially here, old thick stone walls, so patchy signal reception.
[12:34] <czajkowski> Peeka boo
[12:34] <brobostigon> afternoonings czajkowski
[12:34] <czajkowski> brobostigon: hiya
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> \o
[12:36] <AlanBell> how is fosdem today?
[12:36] <OmNomSequitur> We don't know.
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> OmNomSequitur: ?
[12:36] <brobostigon> i have heard loads about the haiku-os stand,
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: does that link I posted earlier work for you? with sound streaming?
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://3voor12.vpro.nl/speler/luisterpaal/44438012#luisterpaal.44438012
[13:13] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ does this work?
[13:14] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yes, that works
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: cool, thanks
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you can use it to listen to new albums for about one week each (part of Dutch public broadcasting)
[13:26] <popey> Morning all!
[13:26] <popey> ish
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[13:26] <Pendulum> hi popey
[13:27] <popey> I appear to have arrived home from a party with two more computers than I left with
[13:27] <Pendulum> :)
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: "Please fix this for me" notes attached?
[13:27] <popey> no
[13:27] <popey> "please take these computers away"
[13:27] <popey> one is an ex-mythtv front/backend
[13:29] <AlanBell> popey: you know it was a good party when you wake up next to a computer you don't recognise
[13:29] <popey> :)
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: unless your other computer sees  you
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> No compiz. When I click on the edge of a terminal window by mistake, I don't want to make it one column smaller
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> http://j.mp/fb0Jkm
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> popey: and one for you: http://j.mp/ieNQY2
[13:48] <dogmatic69> i have a open source cms thingy that ive been building and looking to jack up the security. i figured the best way to do this is to post somewhere that it is imposible to hack :D
[13:49] <dogmatic69> what can i do on the server side to make it like a sandbox type environment so people dont break the server?
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: that's very hard
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: it's easier to have a few trusted "experts" have a go first
[13:50] <dogmatic69> im thinking maybe just a small slice account that if they do hack, it does not matter
[13:50]  * dwatkins returns from shopping having noted that compuers aren't any faster than they were 2 years ago
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: http://ha.ckers.org/xss.html
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: they have twice/four times as many cores though
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: http://ferruh.mavituna.com/sql-injection-cheatsheet-oku/
[13:51] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: indeed, but that's the only way they seem to be improving
[13:51] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: i dont belive you, i just bought a i3 + 4gigs 430gt (low end) and its compareable to my quad core 8 gigs with 9800 gt (high end at the time)
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: (but you're using prepared statements and a proper ORM, aren't you?)
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> uhr dogmatic69 ^
[13:52] <dogmatic69> i belive a i9 would wipe the floor with my quad core i got now
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: they also do more per cycle.. so the number isn't growing, but the "number of things done" is
[13:52] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: prepared statements?
[13:52] <dwatkins> ah ok, that's hidden improvements, then MartijnVdS
[13:53]  * dwatkins wonders where to learn more and looks i7 etc. up on wikipedia
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: trying to think of some possible attack vectors of dogmatic69's system.. SQL injection is one :)
[13:53] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: im using cakephp, so something like that. its very escaped etc. i would bet money that you cant do a sql injection
[13:53] <dogmatic69> dogmatic69.com go right ahead :)
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: looks nice
[13:54] <dwatkins> attack vectors? what kind of system is this?
[13:54] <dogmatic69> my os app?
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: web app
[13:54] <dwatkins> a LAMP server?
[13:54] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: ive fixed one xss thing that i found
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: check that cheat sheet regularly, new kinds are found sometimes :)
[13:55] <dogmatic69> its lamp, but not a package thing.. installed with apt-get php mysql-sever cherokee etc
[13:55] <dwatkins> do you have denyhosts, dogmatic69?
[13:56] <dwatkins> (assuming there's a listening ssh server)
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> denyhosts or fail2ban
[13:56]  * MartijnVdS likes fail2ban because it can do other daemons as well
[13:56] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: ssh is enabled, but im talking more from the php side. you cant brute force it
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> (disable HTTP access when it sees too many errors from a given host)
[13:56] <dwatkins> you can't?
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> it's php, of course you can :P
[13:57] <dwatkins> if there's any bugs in php which allow buffer overruns or anything like that, you're potentially open to attack
[13:57] <dogmatic69> nope, i got some rules to ban ip's when there is to many bad logins
[13:57] <dwatkins> check the latest security bulletins
[13:57] <dogmatic69> well that i cant help, talking more about *my* code in the app
[13:57] <dwatkins> What if someone snoops someone's login, dogmatic69?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> https, SSH key-based login \o;/
[13:57] <dogmatic69> that has nothing to do with my code
[13:57] <dwatkins> i.e. could they do damage to other people's stuff?
[13:58] <dogmatic69> thats just silly people using unprotected wifi and not looking for firesheep or whatever
[13:58] <dwatkins> doesn't mean it won't happen
[13:59] <dogmatic69> well there is no php app that will protect against that
[13:59] <dwatkins> I'm just suggesting that if you've implemented usernames, you should ensure that a single user can't do any damage to anything but their own data
[14:03] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:03] <dogmatic69> that is taken care of mostly
[14:03] <dogmatic69> just found a xss :/
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: by looking through the cheat sheet?
[14:03] <dogmatic69> yip
[14:04] <popey> haha MartijnVdS
[14:04] <dogmatic69> only upto the second one :(
[14:20] <czajkowski> howdy
[14:23] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski
[14:24] <popey> lo
[14:24] <czajkowski> more beer
[14:24] <czajkowski> :D
[14:26] <jacobw> afternoon
[14:51] <czajkowski> Geeks here are running fireSheep and bad bad things are happening
[14:51] <Azelphur> lol
[14:52] <Azelphur> all your base are belong to firesheep.
[14:52] <AlanBell> czajkowski: are you not the ringleader this time?
[14:52] <penguin42> perhaps I'll try updating my debian vm when ftp.uk.debian.org has some bandwidth again
[14:53] <czajkowski> nope
[14:53] <czajkowski> the bad company I'm keeping these days
[15:02] <dwatkins> I am scared of firesheep's capabilities.
[15:02] <czajkowski> indeed
[15:02] <dwatkins> Granted, it's just exposing a security flaw, but stil.
[15:03] <dwatkins> also: still
[15:03] <jacobw> Does it run on Linux yet?
[15:03] <dwatkins> Not yet, apparently.
[15:28] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: a flaw that has been around since internet started just about :)
[15:29] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: fair enough, but it now really needs fixing, it appears
[15:29] <dogmatic69> yes
[15:29] <dogmatic69> its just another 'script kiddie' tool now
[15:29] <dwatkins> I imagine it wasn't a problem a long time ago, much like telnet.
[15:30] <dogmatic69> all the hardcore hackers are using it ;)
[15:30] <lazarus_> hehe
[15:30] <dwatkins> I'm sure they are, yes. I wouldn't dare login in an internet cafe nowadays.
[15:30] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:30] <dwatkins> I'd probably use an ssh tunnel even on wifi I don't completely trust.
[15:30] <dogmatic69> i cant find free wifi anyhow
[15:31] <dwatkins> Go to a coffee shop ;)
[15:31] <dogmatic69> got unlimited 3g also
[15:31] <dwatkins> wow, how did you get that, dogmatic69?
[15:31] <dogmatic69> 02
[15:31] <dogmatic69> o2
[15:31] <dogmatic69> on my phone
[15:32] <dogmatic69> which remotely resembles a laptop :)
[15:32] <dwatkins> Ah, so you have 500 MB a month, then.
[15:32] <Pendulum> dogmatic69: have you read the fine print? even 'unlimited' usually has a limit (as a friend on o2 has discovered)
[15:32] <dwatkins> I'm moving to Three, as they offer a Gigabyte a month.
[15:33] <dogmatic69> Pendulum: yip, but i never reach that... i have *real* unlimited at home and work
[15:33] <dogmatic69> + 20mb line at home
[15:33] <dogmatic69> BT ftw
[15:34] <lazarus_> virgin ftw btw
[16:47] <HazRPG> \o
[16:54] <jacobw> o/
[17:11] <dwatkins> BT are terrible in my experience - my Virgin hardware failed once, BT's hardware fails regularly, despite having been replaced once already.
[17:12] <dwatkins> Every couple days we have to reset the home-hub2, this being our second, and the engineer replaced the socket already.
[17:15] <lazarus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563474/ any way i can make this better?
[17:18] <dwatkins> Test for the file existing already before writing to it, lazarus_ - just in case? Create a temporary directory based on epoch time in /tmp to work in?
[17:27] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ anyone want to try this?
[17:28]  * penguin42 clicks
[17:35] <DJones> AlanBell: Is it meant to show your own pin, or just others? I've submitted mine but its not showing up
[17:36]  * AlanBell clicks approve on the djones pin
[17:36] <DJones> Ah, that would explain it
[17:36] <DJones> Yep, showing fine now
[17:37] <penguin42> I don't like giving exact position; I want uncertainty on pins
[17:37] <DJones> penguin42: Just put the town/city name
[17:37] <DJones> I tried that & it showed me a couple of miles away in the town centre
[17:37] <AlanBell> it is designed to be uncertain
[17:37] <AlanBell> town level
[17:37] <penguin42> ah
[17:37] <dwatkins> is 'subtitle' what I should put my IRC nickname in?
[17:38] <DJones> it also works with postcodes
[17:38] <AlanBell> dwatkins: excellent idea
[17:38] <AlanBell> it will work with postcodes, but I am intentionally asking for town
[17:38] <dwatkins> I hope you don't plan on having me reply to e-mails, I'm putting my hotmail address ;)
[17:39] <dwatkins> You can comment on my blog if you want to contact me, though.
[17:39] <penguin42> AlanBell: It gave me a posting comments too quickly after filling in a field I'd missed
[17:39] <dwatkins> haha: You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
[17:39] <penguin42> yeh same
[17:40] <AlanBell> yes, there is something broken with that, not sure where to turn it off
[17:40] <dwatkins> I got that, went back, clicked subit again, then got told I hadn't entered my e-mail address nor location, which I had.
[17:40] <AlanBell> I think I will remove email from the form
[17:41] <AlanBell> not going to do anything with it
[17:41] <dwatkins> Yeah, good plan, AlanBell.
[17:41] <dwatkins> If you change 'subject' to 'IRC nick' people can get in touch through here
[17:43] <penguin42> still hitting the too quickly
[17:43] <AlanBell> penguin42: yes, just breaking that "feature" now
[17:43]  * penguin42 hands AlanBell the hammer
[17:44]  * Myrtti feels torn apart, can't decide whether to put Fens or Finland into the form
[17:44] <AlanBell> Myrtti: do both
[17:45] <AlanBell> we should get all our non-dom members in too, like Pendulum and maco
[17:45] <AlanBell> and MartijnVdS
[17:45] <AlanBell> and txwikinger
[17:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: aww, I feel loved :)
[17:47] <dwatkins> I'm Dom, though.
[17:47] <dwatkins> (sorry, bad joke)
[17:47] <mgdm> Hmm, my pin isn't appearing
[17:49]  * AlanBell approves
[17:50] <mgdm> Oh! Didn't realise that was a step :)
[17:50]  * AlanBell turns off moderation for the moment
[17:54] <dwatkins> Did you approve me, or do I still need to fill the form in again, AlanBell?
[18:00] <penguin42> AlanBell: The tab order is a bit weird, description is out of order
[18:00] <penguin42> anyone short on RAM? http://www.buysamsungparts.com/m393b4g70am0-yf8.html
[18:02] <DJones> penguin42: I'm tempted, although with a machine thats limited to 512Mb, it might be a bit over the top
[18:02] <hcfd> Hi guys. I am about to reinstall Ubuntu, decided to go for 10.04 with the Alternate CD as I want RAID1. Just curious if, on balance, RAID10 would be better? I only have two disks however.
[18:03] <penguin42> hcfd: Do you want speed with twice the chance of losing it all or reliability with half the chance of losing it all?
[18:08] <hcfd> penguin42, well if my options are RAID0 or RAID1, I want RAID1. I'm just curious to know how RAID10 compares to RAID1. If it is necessarily as you say, I'll stick with RAID1. :)
[18:09] <hcfd> Still trying to understand how RAID10 is implemented (there are different block patterns).
[18:09] <ball> RAID 0 offers no redundancy
[18:09] <ball> RAID 10 is really RAID 1+0, so it's a RAID 0 stripe across two RAID 1 mirrors
[18:09] <ball> (requires at least four drives)
[18:10] <lazarus_> hmm import a downloaded backup but i would need the script to interact with ubuntu one
[18:12] <cps> evening chaps
[18:14] <lazarus_> cps: sup
[18:14] <cps> hey lazarus_
[18:15] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6938670/SourceManager/eqDAc.jpg rofl :D
[18:15] <hcfd> ball: There's something called RAID10 which can use two drives, mdadm supports that, but it's not classical RAID10. Heck, I was happy with RAID1, I think I'll just go for that.
[18:15] <ball> hcfd: sounds evil.
[18:15] <hcfd> ball: Quite possibly. I'm not prepared to use something I don't quite understand, and I only have about 3 hours to get this machine up and running again so I'm not taking chances. :)
[18:16] <ball> RAID 1 ftw then.
[18:21] <directhex> moo
[18:22] <Azelphur> baa
[18:23] <ball> eep
[18:24] <directhex> i am tired
[18:24] <directhex> and in brussels
[18:24] <directhex> but mostly tired
[18:24] <Azelphur> directhex: look at above image, proceed to laugh :p
[18:25] <ball> I'm in America and I'm frustrated.
[18:26] <directhex> laughing is for the untired
[18:26] <ball> I think I'm going to try Ubuntu Server
[18:29] <ball> This machine's getting wiped.
[18:30] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:31] <ball> Mornin' cz<tab>
[18:31] <Pendulum> czajkowski: how's the beer and waffles?
[18:31] <czajkowski> :D
[18:31] <czajkowski> excellent
[18:37] <Azelphur> hmm, is launchpad (the name) copyrighted?
[18:38] <ball> Azelphur: I hope not, it's a common word.
[18:38] <Azelphur> good point
[18:38] <Azelphur> apple is launching a feature called launchpad xD
[18:41] <penguin42> Azelphur: You could trademark its use in a particular context
[18:41] <Myrtti> it's not unique by any means
[18:41] <Myrtti> I think that last.fm has launchpad too
[18:41] <ball> People with rockets have used launchpads for years.
[18:41] <penguin42> ball: But not as a webservice for bug management
[18:42] <ball> penguin42: ok
[18:42] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:42] <penguin42> I'm not sure what granularity trademarks go to
[18:42] <Azelphur> the apple marketing page for their new OS is hilarious to me
[18:42] <ball> I really hoped that Ubuntu Server would work for this job.  It didn't even boot.  That is disappointing.
[18:42] <Azelphur> http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/
[18:42] <penguin42> ball: On what hardware and how did it fail to boot?
[18:43] <Azelphur> The Mac App Store, we've had one of those for at least a year now. Launchpad is the UNR launcher we've had that for ages too, Full screen apps, phew must be a decade behind there, and Mission control has been in compiz since like 2k5 too
[18:43] <Azelphur> Apple behind as usual, also wtf at marketing full screen apps like it's new and amazing rofl
[18:44] <Azelphur> "You can bring an app to full screen with one click" ONE CLICK, YOU CAN MAKE IT FULL SCREEN. IT TOOK US 10 YEARS TO DO IT, BUT YOU CAN HAVE IT NOW.
[18:45] <penguin42> Azelphur: Read it more carefully
[18:45] <Azelphur> penguin42: which part?
[18:45] <Azelphur> the gestures?
[18:45] <penguin42> Azelphur: I think it's saying you can do it to an arbitrary app, with one click
[18:46] <Azelphur> you can on Ubuntu too
[18:46] <penguin42> how?
[18:46] <Azelphur> not by default but you can
[18:46] <penguin42> oh right, so you mean the normal user can't
[18:47] <Azelphur> yea, only because nobody bothered to put a button on the window manager for it
[18:47] <Azelphur> it's just a window state like maximize
[18:47] <Azelphur> I guess nobody thought it'd actually be useful to anyone
[18:47] <penguin42> Azelphur: They bothered to do it first so they've been able to make a point out of it
[18:47] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[18:47] <gord> i um, i don't want my applications fullscreen on a desktop
[18:47] <Azelphur> me either
[18:48]  * penguin42 can see a handful of uses
[18:49] <ball> penguin42: An old Compaq desktop that I happened to have handy for an urgent project.  Point of principle though: a server OS shouldn't require graphics.
[18:49] <gord> i can run firefox fullscreen now, i never do it
[18:49] <ball> I get 'graphics initialization failed'
[18:49] <ball> 'Error setting up gfxboot'
[18:49] <penguin42> ball: agreed
[18:49] <Azelphur> gord: same
[18:49] <Myrtti> I use terminator full screen...
[18:49] <Myrtti> although I do split it into quarters... :-D
[18:49] <Azelphur> If you want that feature, in compiz commands plugin bind a key to run wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -b toggle,fullscreen
[18:49] <Azelphur> tada you have that feature now
[18:49] <gord> ball, ubuntu server does not require graphics
[18:50] <gord> i'v deployed it on many systems without X
[18:50] <penguin42> ball: In grub, edit out the set gfxmode= line
[18:50] <ball> penguin42: I don't even get to grub afaict.
[18:50] <penguin42> ball: Bang shift right after the bios
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> just keep it pressed until grub shows up
[18:51] <AlanBell> penguin42: tab order fixed, thanks
[18:52] <AlanBell> dwatkins: try again, I can't see your comment in the approval queue
[18:52] <txwikinger> AlanBell: my name was called?
[18:52] <AlanBell> txwikinger: http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[18:52] <ball> gord: I'm fairly disgusted that it even /tries/ to use graphics.
[18:52] <AlanBell> we are filling that in, including the non-doms
[18:52] <txwikinger> Ah cool
[18:53] <txwikinger> Well.. technically I am still under the hemisphere of Her Majesty the Queen :D
[18:53] <gord> ball... what? its not loading up X or anything like that
[18:54] <ball> gord: Doesn't matter.  It just dents the credibility of Ubuntu as a server OS in my opinion.
[18:54] <txwikinger> Bah.. google maps..all the privacy is trampled with feet
[18:54] <AlanBell> fraid so
[18:55] <gord> ball, okay let me ask you this, what do you mean by *graphics*
[18:55] <AlanBell> give me an openstreetmap plugin or recode that one then it will be changed
[18:55] <gord> all its doing is painting text on a screen
[18:55] <ball> gord: anything that requires a framebuffer
[18:55] <ball> I'm past the splash screen thing now using "install cli", but still.
[18:57] <gord> ball, you know this thing you are referring to, what has you so worked up, was just grub setting its resolution right?
[18:57] <ball> gord: thought it was the splash screen thing.
[18:57] <gord> no
[18:58] <ball> Now I'm stumped because it's prompting me for a WEP key and the wireless network requires WPA2-PSK, not WEP
[18:58] <ball> gord: Why even mess with the screen mode?
[18:58] <gord> because different monitors require different resolutions
[18:59] <ball> It's a server.
[18:59]  * ball shakes his head in dismay.
[19:01] <gord> are you currently running it on a monitor?
[19:01] <gord> you still have to communicate with the display, even when drawing text
[19:01] <gord> this is how computers work
[19:03] <ball> gord: CGA text mode should suffice, or MDA or a serial console.
[19:03] <txwikinger> AlanBell: Yes.. I have talked with the local OSM people here about it
[19:04] <txwikinger> AlanBell: Setting the pin somehow did not work, otherwise I filled it out
[19:05] <AlanBell> it worked
[19:07] <txwikinger> AlanBell: It worked? Where is my pin?
[19:07] <penguin42> gord: The current grub is trying to go into graphics mode where older stuff would stay in text mode; on a PC that's quite a different thing, it's not just setting resolution
[19:07] <AlanBell> txwikinger: near kitchener, canada
[19:08] <txwikinger> oh.. I see
[19:08] <AlanBell> is it right?
[19:08] <txwikinger> Well.. it moved itself a bit :) but close enough :D
[19:08] <txwikinger> Especially for a google map :D
[19:08] <AlanBell> good, it isn't supposed to be super accurate
[19:09] <txwikinger> Yeah.. that is fine.. You don't want crazy people come to your doorsteps :D
[19:09] <penguin42> ball: If you just take all the junk to do with set gfxmode out of the grub start up it has a much better chance
[19:10] <cps> hum
[19:10] <cps> two crashes in 2 minutes
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> cps: natty?
[19:10] <cps> MartijnVdS: maverick
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> cps: strange.. full-blown crashes or just apps misbehaving?
[19:11] <cps> MartijnVdS: Full-blown crashes. I end up having to do a cold boot
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> cps: ouch!
[19:11] <cps> indeed
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> maybe hardware is going wonky?
[19:11] <cps> I hope not
[19:11]  * txwikinger is gong to work on the new Kubuntu-de.org server now
[19:13] <AlanBell> txwikinger: crazy people on my doorstep happens every time we leave the house
[19:13] <ball> penguin42: How would I even get to that if I can't boot though?
[19:13] <txwikinger> AlanBell: Yeah.. I remember those times in the UK :D
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you live in the wrong part of town? :)
[19:13] <txwikinger> MartijnVdS: Wrong country ?
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> txwikinger: maybe, maybe
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> txwikinger: but you get crazies everywhere
[19:14] <txwikinger> MartijnVdS: Well.. here the crazies are frozen in the snow :D
[19:14] <AlanBell> my house is full of crazy people
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: cat ladies, etc.?
[19:15] <Pendulum> AlanBell: all the best people are
[19:16] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: no cat ladies here
[19:16] <txwikinger> Well.. we had a heavy snow evening last night.... Cars could not even move inside town anymore
[19:16] <txwikinger> So there is a natural selection to move out the crazies :D
[19:17] <cps> hmm
[19:17] <cps> might buy a new hard disk when I get the money to do so
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: only a few birds ;)
[19:19] <AlanBell> three big birds
[19:19] <AlanBell> but they are quite sensible
[19:21]  * cps listens to “Nautilus” by Bob James
[19:22]  * MartijnVdS listens to Upstairs at Eric's by Yazoo :)
[19:23] <cps> Yazoo ftw :D
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> cps: vinyl records FTW :)
[19:25] <cps> MartijnVdS: indeed. my stepdad has a few but no turntable to play them on
[19:27] <cps> hmm
[19:27] <cps> hoping my iso can download before the computer crashes again
[19:30]  * brobostigon returns from pub.
[19:32] <AlanBell> cps: torrent it and it will recover from crashes
[19:32] <AlanBell> cps: downloading squeeze?
[19:35] <penguin42> AlanBell: So does that page actually have a way to change their location or delete the entry etc?
[19:36] <AlanBell> err, no
[19:36] <AlanBell> but I can delete pins
[19:36] <penguin42> hmm going to get out dated quite fast
[19:37] <cps> evening brobostigon :)
[19:37] <AlanBell> are you on the run or something?
[19:37] <penguin42> AlanBell: Shhh!
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Always on the run
[19:40] <penguin42> AlanBell: Pity Launchpad doesn't have the location (any more?) otherwise it might make sense to get more from that
[19:40] <AlanBell> it has location, but not maps
[19:40] <penguin42> AlanBell: Its location entry for me is now shown as 'Time zone: Europe/London' which is a bit coarser
[19:40] <AlanBell> because launchpad uses https and if you want maps embedded on an https page you have to pay Google squillions of dollars
[19:42] <maco> AlanBell: how many pounds is that?
[19:42] <AlanBell> it is technology, so a 1:1 exchange rate is applied
[19:42] <penguin42> maco: About the same as our national debt
[19:44] <AlanBell> >>> print me.longitude,me.latitude
[19:44] <AlanBell> -0.797624588013 51.2134970973
[19:44] <AlanBell> ^^ launchpadlib has my location
[19:45]  * penguin42 changes the launch angle
[19:45] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/February%202011/screenshot_1.png I think I made my phone go fast enough
[19:45] <AlanBell> now we know why penguin42 is on the run
[19:46] <SuperMatt> how did you get a screenshot?
[19:46] <penguin42> AlanBell: The web interface doesn't seem to have a way to set location any more, I could swear it had it when it used to have the map at the bottom
[19:47] <AlanBell> penguin42: yeah, I guess they optimised that out as they are not using it for anything now
[19:47] <penguin42> Azelphur: What you running it on? LG Optimus ?
[19:48] <Azelphur> penguin42: HTC Desire Z overclocked to 1.5ghz (from 800mhz)
[19:48] <penguin42> Azelphur: Haha cute
[19:48] <Azelphur> :D
[19:48] <Azelphur> If I build my own kernel I can get it up to 2ghz maybe further
[19:49] <Azelphur> but that's kinda scary for more than one reason xD
[19:49] <penguin42> Azelphur: The burning sensation in your hand?
[19:49] <Azelphur> indeed xD
[19:50] <daubers> Evening
[19:50] <penguin42> Azelphur: Is that a physical hack needed ofr that or just changing a multiplier in software?
[19:50] <Azelphur> penguin42: you need software and a custom kernel to do it
[19:50] <penguin42> ok, cute
[19:59] <brobostigon> new top gear,:)
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> ooh!
[19:59] <brobostigon> bbc2
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> completely forgot
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> bbc hd ;)
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> wow, that's timing :) the moment my system went "click" the intro music started :)
[20:01] <brobostigon> cool, :)
[20:19] <popey> AlanBell: added myself to the map
[20:19] <popey> has anyone asked the obvious question, gmaps vs osm?
[20:26] <james_w> yes
 18:55:12> give me an openstreetmap plugin or recode that one then it will be changed
[20:31] <ali1234> "plugin"?
[20:32]  * brobostigon lol's very loudly at clarkson.
[20:35] <brobostigon> iam having a blond moment, what is that cli prog, that shows me where packets go ontheir way to a specific server?
[20:36] <brobostigon> and i cant remember what its called.
[20:38] <oly> james_w, you can use a javascript library called openlayers to embed openstreet maps
[20:39] <oly> has a neat feature where you can switch the website you use as well
[20:39] <oly> so you can switch to google maps or various other services if needed
[20:39] <oly> if thats of any use :)
[20:39]  * suprengr curse AlanBell's 'chocolate-cake-in-a-mug' recipe... should have a note next to "3 Tablespoons Oil" re "& don't use engine oil" - I'm *never* doing that again - yuk!
[20:42] <cps> hmm
[20:45]  * brobostigon decides to go back out after top gear to see his lady friends.
[20:49]  * suprengr has just realised it should be popey  who gets blamed for the use of engine oil in his cake
[21:07] <Moniker42> hello ubuntu uk! :)
[21:07] <Moniker42> popey: what was that multiplayer notepad thing you had on your site a wee while ago?
[21:07] <popey> etherpad?
[21:07] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/
[21:08] <Moniker42> yes!
[21:08] <Moniker42> ta
[21:08]  * Moniker42 looks to set it up on moniker42.com
[21:08] <Moniker42> how is everyone, then?
[21:09] <popey> tickety boo :)
[21:10]  * mattt just got back from fosdem
[21:12] <DJones> Isn't a multi-player notpad called irc?
[21:13] <DJones> s/notpad/notepad
[21:14] <dutchie> DJones: it doesn't have the fun of being able to change what other people have written
[21:15] <DJones> dutchie: There is that I guess
[21:39] <AlanBell> I added a helpful video to the bottom of the page http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[21:43] <dutchie> AlanBell: stray apostrophe!
[21:43]  * ball resists the urge to add himself
[21:43]  * dutchie sees whether his login still works
[21:45] <dutchie> hmm, i seem to have lots it
[21:45] <dutchie> lost
[21:45]  * AlanBell removes the apostrophe before anyone notices
[21:45] <AlanBell> ball: don't resist!
[21:49] <AlanBell> dutchie: want a new password?
[21:51] <lazarus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563578/ surely i dont need to sudo that much
[21:51] <dutchie> AlanBell: go on then
[21:51] <dutchie> not that i go on there ever
[21:51] <AlanBell> I think you should have an email with it now
[21:53] <dutchie> it will probably filter through the intertubes at some point
[21:54] <dutchie> when is it going to go non-beta btw?
[21:55] <ball> I can't seem to add myself to the map.
[21:56] <AlanBell> dutchie: real soon now
[21:56] <AlanBell> ball: any error message?
[21:57] <ball> I'm not sure how to pacify the "Geographical Position" field.
[21:57] <lazarus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563578/ surely i dont need to sudo that much
[21:57] <AlanBell> did you click the placy your pin link before submitting?
[21:57] <ball> Yes
[21:57] <Venko> Mmmm... I'm just reviewing my data outline for my family tree software and am wondering if its appropriate to include place of death or not. What do you guys think?
[21:57] <ball> Nothing happened.
[21:58] <dutchie> Venko: no harm in adding as much data as you have, surely
[21:58] <ball> Ah, got it now.
[21:59] <Venko> That's what I thought and it would be useful for visually mapping the birth and death places of people over time (e.g. to see patterns in migration) but my girlfriend just suggested it might be a little too morbid
[21:59] <ball> Venko: I include that.
[22:00] <ball> Hmm... I may just install Gnome Ubuntu to see if I can make that do what I'm after.
[22:00] <Venko> Thanks dutchie and ball for your feedback :)
[22:02] <ball> I'm on the map :-)
[22:03] <AlanBell> ok, so what else do we need to tweak on the site before putting it live?
[22:04] <dutchie> did you get a better uupc logo?
[22:04] <AlanBell> no, took it off until they restart
[22:04] <dutchie> ah
[22:05] <dutchie> how much is the blogging bit going to be used?
[22:05] <AlanBell> not massively I should think
[22:06] <AlanBell> used for announcing events, posting reports on events
[22:06] <AlanBell> and recipies
[22:06] <dutchie> :)
[22:14] <suprengr> ;)
[22:15] <suprengr> no more oil recipes though
[22:17]  * AlanBell updates http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/11/10/5-minute-chocolate-cake-in-a-mug/ for the hard of thinking
[22:18]  * suprengr rolfs
[22:38]  * popey wonders what AlanBell modified
[22:38] <ball> I'm going to resort to Ubuntu desktop.
[22:38] <ball> Let's see if this works.
[22:39] <AlanBell> s/oil/cooking oil/
[22:40] <AlanBell> I think suprengr used castrol GTX or something
[22:42] <popey> brobostigon: mtr
[22:42] <ball> It is possible to use Ubuntu as a wireless bridge, or as a router?
[22:42] <ball> s/possible/practical/ ?
[22:43] <Azelphur> ball possible yes, practical not really, lack of a web UI and huge power consumption make it not worth while
[22:43] <Azelphur> there are prebuilt distros with web uis and everything you need built in (pfsense) but even then it's not worth it with the power consumption imo
[22:44] <Azelphur> Pick up a cheap DD-WRT capable router, you can get em for like ~20 squids now.
[22:44] <ball> Azelphur: Not where I live and not tonight.
[22:44] <ball> I'm trying to build a temporary solution just to get my wife on-line
[22:44] <Azelphur>  ball you can enable wifi connection sharing very easily does that help you?
[22:44] <ball> Azelphur: Probably
[22:45] <Azelphur> ball how are you connected?
[22:45] <ball> I may have to download the Alternate ISO.  The normal one isn't booting.
[22:45] <ball> Azelphur: I have a new wireless LAN and I need to connect some wired PCs to it.
[22:45] <Azelphur> *confused*
[22:47] <ball> Azelphur: the wireless router is in another room
[22:47] <ball> The PCs are wired together, but not to the Internet (any more)
[22:47] <ball> Trying to bridge that gap.
[22:48] <ali1234> you don't want to do wireless bridging in station mode, trust me
[22:48] <ball> ali1234: Why's that?
[22:48] <ali1234> because it never ever works properly
[22:48] <popey> +1
[22:48] <ball> Okay.  Route at layer 3 then?
[22:48] <ali1234> many cards don't support it at all
[22:49] <ali1234> the rest just drop out for no reason, lose packets, or jam up the wireless with reflected packets, or other weird stuff
[22:49] <ali1234> so yeah, just use forwarding/nat
[22:49] <ali1234> it is really easy to do on ubuntu
[22:49] <ali1234> first connect on wireless
[22:50] <ali1234> then go into network manager, select the wired eth, set it to "shared"
[22:50] <ali1234> that's it
[22:50] <Azelphur> ^ is what I did when I was on holiday :)
[22:50] <ali1234> ball: like this: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/htc/Screenshot-6.png
[22:50] <ali1234> except select the wired eth instead of usb0
[22:55] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[22:56] <pr0ph3t> I need to write a .raw image file to a USB disk, how do I do that, with dd?
[22:56] <popey> sudo dd if=./rawimagefile of=/dev/sdX
[22:56] <popey> where X is the USB disk
[22:57] <ball> Do I need to do anything special to serve up dhcp on the wired port?
[22:57] <popey> ball: i dont think you run dhcp on the wired port, it bridges to your wifi which probably has dhcp server on it doesnt it?
[22:58] <pr0ph3t> popey, thanks very much
[22:58] <popey> np
[22:58] <ball> Wait, I thought I was told /not/ to bridge.
[22:58]  * ball is confused
[22:58] <popey> as i understand it, just do what ali1234 said and no more
[22:59] <ali1234> ball: that's routing, not bridging
[22:59] <ali1234> actually, it will do nat
[22:59] <Nafallo> popey: sudo do-as-I-said
[22:59] <popey> blimey
[22:59]  * ball waits for someone to make someone else a sandwich
[22:59] <maco> Nafallo: "sudo do-as-i-said" is just "sudo !!" silly :P
[22:59] <ali1234> NM will automatically start up a dhcp server
[23:00] <ali1234> so you don't need to do anything else
[23:00] <ball> ali1234: Thanks
[23:00] <Nafallo> maco: *shrugs* I never use !!, I prefer to write it out "just in case"
[23:01] <ball> I'm now fetching the alternate image.  Hope that works.
[23:02] <ball> back shortly
[23:05] <txwikinger> Superbowl is starting!
[23:08] <ball> txwikinger: puppybowl on the animal planet
[23:11] <Rado1> hello
[23:11] <AlanBell> hi
[23:12] <Rado1> so every buddy here on ubuntu os?
[23:12] <AlanBell> pretty much
[23:12] <Rado1> good :)
[23:13] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:13] <Rado1> i just instaled 10.10 version
[23:17] <Myrtti> Sugru ♥