[08:55] <onebitxajax> hi to all
[08:55] <onebitxajax> how can i add the repo to my ubuntu?
[08:56] <onebitxajax> it give me error readerng https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/..... HTTP error 404
[22:39] <tjaalton> RAOF: hey, opinions on bug 652467 before I decline it?
[22:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 652467 in xorg (Ubuntu) "xerver-xorg-video-ati dependancies need changing (affects: 1) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652467
[22:39] <tjaalton> 1) is not possible, -ati is just a wrapper
[22:40] <tjaalton> 2) would mean (AIUI) bigger static mappings to the server, which is pointless
[22:40] <tjaalton> 3) then reveals the true nature of the bug (micro-management), so it's just silly
[22:40] <tjaalton> mach and r128 add 400kB to the install
[22:41] <tjaalton> in total
[22:41] <RAOF> Yeah.  I don't think that's worth doing.
[22:41] <tjaalton> thanks, I'll close it as wontfix
[22:43] <RAOF> That micro-management *is* possible, too - it just requries an xorg.conf
[22:43] <tjaalton> yeah
[22:45] <RAOF> Hm.  Is there any reason we shouldn't follow Debian in removing a bunch of unmaintained drivers from the archive?
[22:45] <tjaalton> no
[22:45] <tjaalton> there was some talk about it on #debian-x earlier today
[22:46] <tjaalton> I've yet to re-joing the ml so haven't been following what's going on there
[22:48] <RAOF> The list of removed drivers is: xserver-xorg-video-v4l, xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, xserver-xorg-video-nv, xserver-xorg-input-hyperpen, xserver-xorg-input-fpit, xserver-xorg-input-evtouch, xserver-xorg-input-citron
[22:49] <tjaalton> all good to go
[22:49] <RAOF> I think the only one we might possibly want out of that is -nv.
[22:49] <tjaalton> :)
[22:49] <RAOF> Heh.  We're well ahead on -citron.
[22:49] <tjaalton> right, I'm not quite uptodate on that, at some point nouveau didn't support all of -nv
[22:50] <tjaalton> but I guess the devices in question are either very rare or old, or both
[22:50] <RAOF> I think TNT and riva128 cards aren't supported by nouveau, and nv supports at least one of them.
[22:50] <RAOF> Of course, so does -vesa :)
[22:50] <tjaalton> heh, right
[22:50] <RAOF> We should also remove -gevdev, since the gestures stuff is in evdev now.
[22:51] <RAOF> Also, it's uninstallable :)
[22:51] <tjaalton> I've so much to catch on..
[22:51] <tjaalton> +up
[22:51] <RAOF> :)
[22:52] <RAOF> Managed to get all the adminy stuff out of the way yet?
[22:52] <tjaalton> most of it yeah
[22:52] <tjaalton> i hope
[22:53] <RAOF> There'll be some lingering tentacles :)
[22:53] <tjaalton> I bet..
[23:37] <RAOF> tjaalton: Incidentally, are you subscribed to mesa-dev?  If so, have you seen my dricore patches appear there?
[23:38] <RAOF> They seem to have made it to the mailing list archives, but I'd just like to be sure, given the lack of response.
[23:41] <tjaalton> RAOF: when did you send them?
[23:42] <tjaalton> I only have the archive since Jan 31st
[23:42] <tjaalton> ah got it
[23:42] <tjaalton> v3
[23:43] <RAOF> Yeah, there it is.
[23:43] <RAOF> Actually, that seems to have only been Thursday.  I thought it was longer.
[23:43] <tjaalton> doesn't fedora have something similar? you could try poking ajax/airlied to review and ack
[23:44] <RAOF> Fedora had something similar in the dim distant past.  I might start prodding soon, yeah.
[23:45] <tjaalton> are gallium drivers smaller than the classic ones (one could assume so..)?
[23:45] <RAOF> They're actually of comparable size.
[23:45] <tjaalton> ah, ok
[23:46] <RAOF> But it's more of a pain to make a dricore for gallium.
[23:46] <RAOF> Quite a lot more of a pain, and we only install 2 gallium drivers.
[23:47] <tjaalton> yeah now that I think of it the shared parts are probably built in the drivers?
[23:48] <tjaalton> just like before, only that the code is more modular
[23:48] <tjaalton> or the functionality
[23:48] <tjaalton> bah, too late to function myself :)
[23:48] <RAOF> mesa, and gallium even more, create a whole bunch of static libraries which the dri drivers link in.  That's why each DRI driver goes from ~3MiB to ~400KiB when you factor out dricore.
[23:50] <tjaalton> yeah
[23:50] <RAOF> If I wanted to be really invasive I could do better, but the patch as written is, I think, the sweetspot for time spent/size opimisation.