[04:42] <inetpro> fp
[04:42] <inetpro> good morning
[05:44] <bmg505> good morning
[05:46] <bmg505> I will never again buy a nokia, and it has all to do with the shit service they give, not the phone
[06:09] <superfly> nokia doesn't have a real presence in SA, they mostly defer you to Vodacom
[11:35] <Kilos> afternoon all
[11:36] <deegee_> hi Kilos
[11:37] <Kilos> hiya deegee
[11:42] <nlsthzn> alo
[11:52] <nlsthzn> debian squeeze is old difficult (stable) ubuntu... can't imagine why I thought it would be a good idea to install it
[11:52] <Kilos> hehe. hiya nlsthzn 
[11:53] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle... what is up?
[11:53] <Kilos> been struggling for 6 days or so. pc crashed 
[11:54] <Kilos> tried a clean install of maverick and the world fell down
[11:54] <nlsthzn> :( that sucks...
[11:54] <Kilos> yeah. tell me about it
[11:54] <nlsthzn> wow... maverick has been very stable for me to few times I installed it... natty however... phew....
[11:55] <Kilos> ithink it is in my bios that the prob appears on its own
[11:55] <Kilos> maybe a bug got in there somehow
[11:55] <nlsthzn> possible I guess... 
[11:55] <Kilos> after 5 days i left battery out all night and then started from scratch and here we are
[11:57] <Kilos> tried clean installs many times. only 9.10 would go in and then when i tried maverick near the end of the updates it would crash again
[11:57] <Kilos> wasted lotsa data
[11:57]  * Kilos cries
[11:58] <nlsthzn> :(
[11:59] <superfly> Kilos: is this on the hard drive we told you was bad?
[11:59] <Kilos> i tried 3 drives superfly . 6g 20g and 80g and all did the same
[11:59] <Kilos> i am now on the 20g
[12:00] <Kilos> i just need some help with the archives goodie please
[12:00] <deegee_> Kilos: i think that should be a hardware problem. have you tried installing maverick alternative?
[12:01] <deegee_> instead of the maverick desktop install cd...
[12:01] <Kilos> with 9.10 using same commands i can clean install and then reverse the archives command and not download anything 
[12:01] <Kilos> maverick takes 110m every time
[12:02] <Kilos> i dont have the altcd deegee_ 
[12:02] <Kilos> somewhere the latest linux headers and kernel are hiding and need to get them everytime from the net
[12:03] <Kilos> also oo and all the cups stuff
[12:03] <deegee_> Kilos: are you around pretoria perhaps? might burn you a copy
[12:03] <deegee_> during the week
[12:04] <Kilos> i am on the way to brits but can get it picked up from pretoria west
[12:04] <Kilos> this is a genuine cd
[12:04] <Kilos> pretty and all
[12:04] <Kilos> from canonical
[12:04] <Kilos> hehe
[12:05] <nlsthzn> Kilos: well... seeing as I could with assistance to how it should be done I could put most of the repo's on disc for you and let the post office do the rest
[12:05] <deegee_> Kilos: genuine or not, fact is; if it doesn't go well with your hardware it will give problems...
[12:06] <Kilos> even after successful install from months ago deegee_ ??
[12:07] <deegee_> Kilos: you might need a hardware refresh..
[12:07] <Kilos> oh i also tried karmic and some others as well and all gave crap
[12:07] <nlsthzn> Kilos: like the guy said when his horse fell over dead, "Strange, his never done that before"
[12:07] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[12:08] <Kilos> yes this is an old one that actually went flying out of a window before it was dumped and i got it
[12:08] <Kilos> hehe
[12:08] <Kilos> but now after the battery out over night this install went quick and clean
[12:09] <Kilos> maybe a bios upgrade will sort the prob
[12:09] <Kilos> but thats beyond me
[12:09] <deegee_> i got a pII running 8.04.4 server at my office, doesn't like to upgrade to anything beyond that...
[12:09] <nlsthzn> sounds more like motherboard or psu... but I am no hardware guru
[12:10] <Kilos> i got a cd called
[12:10] <Kilos> um
[12:10] <Kilos> er
[12:11] <deegee_> Kilos: are you sure it's not affected by the y2k bug?
[12:11] <Kilos> UBCD
[12:11] <Kilos> hehe
[12:11] <Kilos> UBCD tests everything ram , cpu  drives etc and said all was ok
[12:12] <Kilos> y2k? wasnt that just a hoax
[12:12] <deegee_> is that the latest UBCD?
[12:12] <deegee_> heh...
[12:12] <Kilos> about 6 months old
[12:13]  * deegee_ can't say much about UBCD
[12:13] <Kilos> very involved for me to work out what all it can do
[12:24] <Kilos> i use these 2 commands to save packages . how come it doesnt save the updated OO and linux headers etc as it does in 9.10
[12:24] <Kilos> sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/* /media/storage/packs
[12:24] <Kilos>   sudo cp /media/storage/packs/* /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:24] <Kilos> if i say the word chown superfly  jumps on me
[12:25] <Kilos> is there something i must add to get hidden files as well
[12:42]  * nlsthzn is going to try natty one last time... come on you silly alpha release piece of ... debian :p
[12:42] <Kilos> lol
[12:49]  * nlsthzn is not sure why he does this to himself...
[12:49] <Kilos> because you can
[12:49] <Kilos> like the peeps that write virusses
[13:04] <nlsthzn> Kilos: ah... makes sense...
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:27]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for supper
[17:27] <Maaz> Steak , egg and chips. And a free Coke
[17:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks alot
[17:32] <Maaz> no worries, Kilos
[17:32] <inetpro> good evening Kilos
[17:33] <Kilos> hiya inetpro  howzit
[17:33] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... ok I guess
[17:34]  * inetpro had an unavoidable crash this morning when a car swerved in front of us. 
[17:35] <inetpro> at least everyone is ok with just minor damage to cars
[17:35] <Kilos> wow. sorry man
[17:35] <Kilos> happy to hear everyone ok
[17:37] <inetpro> terrible feeling of uselessness for being at the wrong point at the wrong time though
[17:37] <Kilos> yeah
[17:44] <superfly> eish, inetpro, I'm glad you're OK
[17:45] <inetpro> superfly: thanks
[17:45] <superfly> I've been in a couple, and I hate the feeling
[17:48] <inetpro> I just wish there was software that could be used for simulating and documenting the event
[17:49] <inetpro> I'm the worst when it comes to drawing it on paper
[17:49] <Kilos> cell fone camera
[17:50] <inetpro> Kilos: I took two snaps afterwards... should have taking more though
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos: when looking at the other car it's difficult to imagine that we were driving in the same direction when suddenly she decided to turn right at the green robot while I was coming from behind on her right hand side
[17:56] <Kilos> eish
[17:59] <inetpro> unfortunately my car just went skidding ahead when I applied the breaks... so much for a car without ABS breaks
[17:59] <inetpro> if I had ABS I'm quite convinced that I would have avoided it
[17:59] <Kilos> not maybe oil on the road as well
[18:00] <inetpro> very possible
[19:24] <dwidge> inetpro: actually there is software that the investigators use, saw it on a crime documentary, but they didn't name anything specific. they put in all the known data from the scene and it renders a 3d clip of the event from different angles
[19:25] <superfly> inetpro: you skidded because you slammed on breaks. if you'd gradually increased the pressure, but never hit 100% brakes, you would have slowed down in time
[19:26] <inetpro> superfly: maybe
[19:26] <inetpro> superfly: I tried
[19:26] <dwidge> in the documentary they showed the sim of a utility vehicle clipping a girl on the pavement, ragdoll physics and all
[19:26] <superfly> inetpro: I've taken an advanced driving course - that works.
[19:27] <superfly> of course if you'd been going over the speed limit and not maintaining your following distance, nothing would have helped :-P
[20:52] <Kilos> can someone tell me where to find this iso please. 
[20:52] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s23GCFkHcp
[20:52] <Kilos> can you only get to it via cli
[20:53] <Kilos> i dunno how to open home  to find it unless i go cli
[20:54] <Kilos> and the temp file is gone because power tripped
[20:56] <Kilos> it also says   If you are a gui person, simply click on the "Remastersys Backup" icon in the System Menu and you can select which option you want to run.
[20:56] <Kilos> i dont have that icon
[20:56]  * Kilos scratches noggin
[20:59] <Kilos> sorry found it
[20:59] <Kilos> kinda blind i be
[20:59] <Kilos> must mak stuff bigger
[20:59] <Kilos> make
[20:59] <Kilos> see ya later