[05:34] hi [05:51] [messages] yurchor * 1219208 * trunk/l10n-kde4/uk/messages/ (12 files in 9 dirs) SVN_SILENT Ukrainian translation update [08:48] hey [09:04] [summit] pelcak * 1219212 * trunk/l10n-support/cs/ (61 files in 22 dirs) Update of Summit [09:09] [summit] ilic * 1219214 * (44 files in 23 dirs) Summit gather. [09:29] hi, I'm student in computer sciences and I would like get involved in kubuntu development and help you in the process (especially programming) [09:29] what I need to do ? (sorry my english is not perfect) [09:30] It could be a good experience for a student, imho :) === kronos_ is now known as kronos [09:53] no one there ? [09:54] bambee: just hang around for a while [09:55] bambee: there's some info here too: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved [09:57] I already read this page ;) [10:11] bambee: feel free to grab something on this page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [10:12] jussi: ok [10:13] bambee: documentation is a great way to start - its easy to pick up and you learn about things also. [10:27] Riddell: ping, you about? [10:35] anyone awake who can answer a Qt packaging question? [11:03] NCommander: what's up? [11:03] bambee: you wake up too early for us :) [11:04] Riddell: what's your feelings w.r.t to changing Qt to build with GCC 4.4? (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/705689 for context) [11:04] Ubuntu bug 705689 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Natty) "QT applications crash with segfault error on armel (natty only)" [High,Confirmed] [11:06] NCommander: I've no immediate objection if that fixes it [11:07] but I guess I'd also want to talk to upstream and try their latest version to see if it's still a problem [11:22] Riddell: well, considering we're looking at a toolchain regression that is triggered with 4.7.0/4.7.1, I'm doubtful 4.7.2 will fix it except by fluke [11:23] Riddell: do we have a branch for qt4-x11, or is it just fire and forget? (I'm going to get the necessary signoffs from the toolchain team and would like to upload ASAP once we get those, then get to work towards fixing KDE) [11:23] Riddell: oh sorry I'm in france , I forgot jetlag :) [11:25] NCommander: ah, blame the tools then :) [11:25] NCommander: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/ [11:25] bambee: we'd love for you to help of course [11:25] cool :) [11:25] do you know how to programme Qt, C++, Python? [11:26] yup, I prefer C++ but python is not a problem [11:27] Riddell: thanks, I 'll upload 0ubuntu9 today if I get the necessary signoffs [11:30] Riddell: don't worry I'm better in programming than in english :P [11:39] bambee: do you have natty installed? [11:40] not yet, actually I use maverick (with kubuntu-ppa/backports) [11:41] bambee: does userconfig run? kcmshell4 userconfig [11:57] ScottK: kubuntu/daily-live: natty-desktop-powerpc.iso oversized by 2342912 bytes (736346112) more changes needed [11:57] what have changed since alpha2? [11:58] hmm, I suppose there's no easy answer, so should dig it up myself or so [12:01] Tm_T: see natty-changes :) [12:02] thanks [12:09] Riddell: yes it does [12:09] on natty it does not ? [12:10] bambee: no it fails to load the .ui file [12:12] /usr/share/kde4/apps/userconfig/ui/userproperties-details.ui [12:14] [messages] zepires * 1219234 * trunk/l10n-kde4/pt/messages/ (12 files in 9 dirs) Finished HEAD for now [12:15] CIA-40: huh? [12:15] why do we care about that [12:15] Riddell: I'll upgrade to natty and test it [12:27] Tm_T: the powerpc kernel images have become larger [12:43] Riddell: I'm applying for kubuntu-dev :) [12:44] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FelixGeyer/KubuntuDevApplication [12:52] debfx: the black belt of the ninjas! [12:54] :D === hunger_ is now known as hunger [13:04] everyone is applying for dev [13:04] maybe i should too [13:05] the more the merrier (as long as you're know your stuff and can take the grilling) [13:05] debfx: interesting, thanks [13:06] yeah [13:06] oh also [13:06] Riddell: what's the new thing that uses authentication in kdm called? [13:09] shadeslayer: I don't know of any new thing in KDM === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:09] Riddell: the part where you auth kdm to change theme's etc [13:10] well it's policykit [13:10] ah .. ok [13:11] because the user management KCM does not have it [13:12] shadeslayer: no it needs to be ported to policykit [13:12] as does system-config-printer-kde and language-selector [13:12] yeah .... alright ... i might work on it, just after i finish removing some redundant code from rekonq [13:13] it's in kdelibs right? [13:13] I've never used policykit but I think it involves writing small scripts to do the privilaged changes and calling them from polkit-kde [13:13] I think the kdelibs API is KAuth [13:14] alright [13:14] shadeslayer: of course the user management KCM has more immediate issues such as not running at all currently [13:14] err... it doesn't? [13:14] it works for me [13:14] shadeslayer: on natty? [13:14] erm ... maverick :) [13:15] there you go :) [13:15] X is all sorts of broken on natty .. so will upgrade when in beta [13:15] new sip and pyqt causing problems I think [13:15] stupid SIP [13:16] and stupid pyth0rn [13:16] plan for userconfig should be, fix bugs, port to policykit, get it upstream [13:16] but that will take someone with some dedication, it hasn't happened yet [13:16] alrighty .... i can have a looksie today :) [13:16] figure out a POA [13:17] bambee said he would check the ui loading problem (the natty issue) so coordinate with him/her [13:17] #kde-devel? or some sekret channel? :P [13:17] bambee: you also have message indicator support for kmess? anything we need to care about or will that just go upstream? [13:17] ah ^^ [13:17] shadeslayer: here, an hour ago [13:18] ok [13:19] Riddell: I prefer a review first and then send it to upstream [13:21] bambee: if agateau has a moment he's be the best person to review, he's done most of the message indicator work for us [13:21] mhhhh... I don't know... I wrote a patch to integrate support directly in kmess code source... (no plugin manager yet) so probably upstream would be better... [13:22] Riddell: ok :) [13:30] reboot [13:36] hmm [13:36] rebooting : something i haven't done in 2 days [13:43] Riddell: as you said on natty userconfig crashes [13:43] (with a nice backtrace) [13:46] bambee: yeah :( [13:46] bambee: since the same code works in maverick I presume it's due to updated sip and pyqt [13:47] probably [13:47] bambee: so I guess debugging would be to check if any ,ui loads in pyqt now and then start to narrow it down to the part that is a problem with this .ui file [13:47] assuming that interests you at all [13:47] bambee: how was upgrading to natty? [13:50] fine except I lost kwin effects :( [13:50] (due to nouveau probably) [13:51] Riddell: I'll try to find a solution for userconfig :) [14:24] Riddell: this is a bug in PyQt4 ui/uiparser.py line 231 => bg_i18n is an instance of type QString, so bg_i18n.string is wrong :) [14:24] and apparently it's fixed on upstream in nightly build [14:25] but just for test replace line 231 by "bg_name = bg_i18n" , and then try kcmshell4 userconfig [14:25] ;) [14:36] bambee: you tested upstream nightly pyqt? or you read somewhere the bug is fixed? [14:38] bambee: 'replace line 231 by "bg_name = bg_i18n"' is that the upstream fix? [14:39] I just read somewhere (on upstream) that a very similar bug was fixed in nightly pyqt [14:39] http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Downloads/PyQt4/ChangeLog-snapshot-4.8.4-278054fd857c [14:40] " is that the upstream fix?" => no it's mine [14:41] bambee: so we need to track down that 278054fd857c ideally [14:41] I wonder if pyqt has public git these days [14:43] http://paste.kde.org/4285/ [14:43] bambee: looks promising ^^ [14:43] yay, fixes it [14:44] bambee: so we need to add that patch to our python-qt package, do you know how, are you interested in learning how? (else I can just do it) [14:45] yes I'm :) [14:45] Riddell: could you sponsor something for me? [14:46] ari-tczew: sure [14:46] Riddell: bug 713790 [14:46] Launchpad bug 713790 in libktorrent (Ubuntu) "Merge libktorrent 1.0.5-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713790 [14:47] bambee: install devscripts, apt-get source python-qt4, put the patch with -p1 level in debian/patches, add to debian/patches/sources, dch -i to add a changelog, debuild -S to build a source package, debdiff .dsc .dsc to make a debdiff to give to someone who can upload (me) [14:48] ok ;) [14:48] Riddell, do you have any small kubuntu sitckers ? [14:49] ari-tczew: patch on comment #1 is for the wrong package I think [14:49] tazz: you should have come to FOSDEM, I had some there, all gone now [14:49] maybe I should get more for conf.kde.in, they're not cheap though [14:50] Riddell, a small problem of funding XD [14:50] Riddell: yea, it's occur often while merging a few packages [14:50] np, Riddell we'll print some in BLR itself. [14:52] tazz: I don't think I have the design I used but it was the KDE 4.6 wallpaper with kubuntu logo on top and "Friendly Computing" underneith [14:52] Riddell: updated [14:52] Riddell, ok... [14:53] ari-tczew: since libboost-dev depends on libboost1.42-dev I wonder if we need to keep that change [14:54] ari-tczew: and since we have kdelibs5-dev >= 4:4.5.2 everywhere that's not vital either [14:54] ScottK: what's the crack with boost build-depends? [14:55] ari-tczew: I'd say we can sync this unless ScottK think we really need explicit versioning on boost build-deps [14:56] Riddell: +1 for sync if these changes are deprecated === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [14:58] ari-tczew: change the bug into a sync bug and if ScottK doesn't object by tomorrow I'll do it with my archive day [14:59] flipping rekonq won't save LP comments [14:59] sigh [15:00] shadeslayer: won't save them? that's worse than normal when it has saved but hasn't done the ajax update thing [15:00] Riddell: done [15:00] ah [15:00] shadeslayer: it's still losing my login to websites when I log out of KDE [15:01] Riddell: doesn't save them as in ... doesn't show that it has saved them [15:01] i've even disabled all the fooey code that was causing a issue [15:01] err [15:01] Riddell: that might be because of the cache etc ... maybe kde cleans out the cache and thus you can't login ? [15:04] shadeslayer: my cookie cache? why would it do that? [15:05] although .kde/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies is empty [15:05] which is weird [15:05] shadeslayer: I'd say rekonq isn't using kcookiejar properly [15:06] hmm, better than konqueror which just crashes when loading any web page :( [15:07] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/J3dwS1K1 [15:07] :) [15:09] bambee: lovely, thanks very much [15:09] you're welcome :) [15:09] I think the only thing I'd change is naming the patch kubuntu_01_... to make it clear the patch is from us and not from debian (makes merging easier), I can do that easily enough [15:10] oh also it should close the launchpad bug [15:10] ohhh so I should add "(LP: #XXXX)" in the changelog... [15:11] except I don't think there is a bug [15:11] can't see one on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/userconfig [15:11] so we'll just leave that out [15:13] ok [15:14] bambee: uploaded! thanks for helping Kubuntu [15:16] :) [15:23] bambee: so for coding userconfig can do with more love. there's also language-selector which needs various things done. our installer usually needs fixes. In c++ rbelem is working on file sharing with samba, he might well need some help there === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:25] and of course we do packaging and bugfixing (kconf upgrade script for the wallpaper change would be good) [15:25] \o [15:28] It's time to fill out UDS O sponsorship form [15:28] Quintasan: has it been announced yet? [15:28] bambee: plus there's the todo list and bug fix list needing done https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo http://goo.gl/yGhJd [15:28] Riddell: what do you mean by language-selector ? I mean language-selector from systemsettings ? [15:29] bambee: yes, System Settings -> Locale -> Languages -> Install more Languages [15:29] ok [15:29] Riddell: where do changes get made to the slideshow in the installer? i spotted a typo when installing my system at work [15:29] bambee: or just run kdesudo "qt-language-selector --mode install" [15:30] maco: ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu [15:30] bambee: I think we'd like that changed to a kcontrol module rather than standalone app [15:30] bambee: it should have feature parity with the gtk frontend [15:30] bambee: and ideally should be ported to policykit [15:31] well porting it to policykit might be a requirement for it being a kcontrol module [15:31] Riddell: It wasn't but the form is open [15:32] bambee: or for a project we'd like, implement the sound menu for KDE [15:32] bambee: so lots to do :) [15:32] indeed :) [15:32] in return, fame, glory and free trips to Ubuntu Summits! [15:33] w00t :D [15:34] that kdesudo command reminds me it could do with having its syntax fixed, should be any need for quotes in kdesudo "qt-language-selector --mode install" === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [15:43] language-selector should use kpackagekit really rather than its own polictkit stuff [15:43] doing that would probably get rid of a load of code [15:46] Riddell: you don't need quotes, this works fine: kdesudo -- qt-language-selector --mode install [15:48] mhhh I don't know because language-selector and sound menu in KDE are both very interesting :) [15:50] hi [16:01] Riddell: so how does the application process work? we need to set up a meeting? [16:03] c2tarun: Hi there [16:03] Quintasan: hi :) [16:05] Quintasan: I got an error while building a package, it was that build dependencies are missing. There was an application for installing build-depends automatically, can you please tell me that? [16:05] c2tarun: sudo apt-get build-dep [16:06] Quintasan: do we have to install all the build-deps I mean can't we use pbuilder-dist for this. [16:07] Riddell: merge request sent [16:08] c2tarun: I don't get what you want to do now [16:09] Quintasan: I want to build the package, but I dont want to bloat my system by installing all the build-dep for a application. Can we install all the build-dep in pbuilder-dist env and build application there. [16:09] c2tarun: The pbuilder does that automatically [16:09] c2tarun: you just add the dependencies to debian/control file [16:10] Quintasan: but still the biggest problem is how to copy the folder from my home folder to pbuilder-dist home folder? [16:10] c2tarun: you can build the source package on your system (debuild -S) and then run pbuilder on the resulting .dsc file [16:11] debfx: but I am getting error while debuild -S and someone on #ubuntu-motu told me that it was due to missing build-dep [16:11] ... [16:11] You can ignore it [16:12] some build-deps might be needed when running the clean target (which debuild does by default) [16:13] I just installed all the build deps but still getting that error. check this http://paste.ubuntu.com/563925/ [16:14] any idea about the error ^^ [16:15] looks like spyder_2.0.6.orig.tar.gz is not a valid tar.gz file [16:17] debfx: hmm..... It was on the website. but on debian site there is a version 2.0.3 do you think that I should pack that one as an upgrade and leave this one? [16:17] c2tarun: and that error is certainly not missing build depend but a wrong source file [16:17] debfx: if there is a version in Debian then ask the Debian maintainer to update it [16:18] debfx: sorry, meant to c2tarun [16:18] Quintasan: got it :) can a debian maintainer update in ubuntu archives as well? [16:18] c2tarun: unless you are both debian developer and motu or core-dev then no [16:19] c2tarun: usually you would ask Debian developer to upgrade the package in Debian and then request a sync in Ubuntu [16:19] Quintasan: Can i request the sync, I thought only MOTU's can do that. [16:19] You can REQUEST a sync [16:19] but only archive admins can do them [16:20] Quintasan: request as posting a bug on LP? [16:20] yup [16:20] Quintasan: god I hate doing this :( when will I be ready for MOTU :(( [16:21] you need at least two months of fairly constant contributions to get a membership [16:21] Quintasan: hmm.... thats cool I thought may be years ;) [16:22] c2tarun: I mean Kubuntu Membership [16:22] c2tarun: You can apply straight for MOTU [16:22] Quintasan: what is the point in applying when they'll reject me STRAIGHT :( [16:23] c2tarun: well, you need someone to endore your application [16:24] c2tarun: like, you work around here helping us and learn packaging that way, then after sometime, if you think you are ready, you create a MOTU application, attend a meeting on IRC where they ask you questions [16:24] Quintasan: there will be an interview session? [16:25] c2tarun: there is no special time for that, you just add your application to next DMB agenda and join the irc channel when the meeting stats [16:25] Quintasan: question like what? [16:26] it will be faster to supply logs than reply [16:28] Quintasan: where can i get the logs? can u please tell. [16:29] looking for them [16:29] Quintasan: thanks me too :) [16:32] hmm on 17th December I got accepted [16:32] 2009? [16:33] Quintasan: ^^ [16:33] yup [16:35] c2tarun: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/11/%23ubuntu-meeting.html [16:35] That would be this one [16:35] c2tarun: if you want request a sync from Debian, you can use script "requestsync" from package ubuntu-dev-tools [16:35] debfx: well kdesudo shouldn't need the -- either, sudo doesn't [16:35] debfx: yes a meeting of kubuntu-dev, feel free to use doodle.com to set one up [16:36] c2tarun: MOTU can ACK syncs. [16:36] maco: URL to merge request? [16:36] Quintasan: We have a script syncpackage which developer can use for upload sync directly to archive via dput. [16:37] ari-tczew: awesome [16:38] bambee: I guess agateau isn't around today, best e-mail him the patch to kmess [16:39] c2tarun: The meeting looks like this, you sure will want some of us to show up for your meeting so we can support your contributions [16:39] man, that sure brings memories :O [16:39] Riddell: I am there :) [16:40] Actually I suggested bambee to submit the patch on LP [16:40] ah, lovely [16:40] bambee: and subscribe me to the bug [16:40] bambee: or do as Riddell suggested, mail the patch, bug at some point it will need to go in LP [16:41] Riddell: btw, did you get to package this new libindicate-qt? [16:41] Quintasan: sure :) thanks as soon as i'll think that I can be a motu i'll request you all. [16:41] agateau: it's next on my todo list [16:42] Riddell: great [16:42] c2tarun: I encourage you to work on merges and fix some FTBFS with binutils-gold. [16:42] ari-tczew: FTBFS? [16:42] fails to build from source [16:43] for that do I have to make changes in the original source code? [16:43] with patches [16:43] it depends [16:43] use command "what-patch" to make sure whether and which patch system package uses [16:44] ari-tczew: ok, then [16:44] Quintasan: oh, you were handled by MOTU Council yet, not DMB [16:44] the meeting will look most likely the same :P [16:45] Quintasan: but DMB is exapnded than MC [16:45] I know [16:46] But I do not think they will grill him more than necessary [16:46] * Quintasan wonders if Mark ever uses his irc client [16:47] Quintasan: which Mark? [16:47] i do [16:47] Awesome :) [16:47] back to natty, then [16:47] :-p [16:47] :D [16:47] * Quintasan should start working too [16:48] shadeslayer: Did I upload your kdegames stuff or not? [16:48] sabdfl: I see you on IRC first time, as well. Nice. [16:48] i'm around just about every day [16:49] sabdfl: your nickname is pretty exotic [16:49] I think sabdfl get things done instead of talking about them :D [16:49] it's more declarative than exotic [16:49] gtg, see you later [16:57] Do we have a time machine? The alpha 2 announcement says the Narwhal will be released in 2010 April:\ [16:57] ulysses: that'll be my fault, please fix [16:57] (assuming you're looking at the Kubuntu wiki page) [16:58] Anyway it would be good to have a time machne [16:58] * ulysses fixing [16:58] Yeah, time machine [16:58] like uploading KDE 4.6 as 4.0 [16:59] and making kde devs go like "WTF? DID WE HIT BALLMER'S PEAK?!" [17:05] Riddell_: hi [17:05] jr_: hi [17:06] agateau: hmm, message indicator doesn't seem to know that quassel or konversation are being run [17:06] WAAAAAAH THREE Riddells [17:06] I get around [17:07] Riddell: You sure know how to multi-task [17:07] :D [17:07] Quintasan: it's better than having three apachelogger [17:07] Oh god [17:07] imagine that [17:07] I even don't want to imagine this [17:07] ulysses++ [17:07] shadeslayer: ^ [17:08] yofel: ^^ [17:08] Riddell: mmm weird [17:09] Quintasan: as long as they're not around 24/7 it might be tolerable [17:09] yofel: at least one of them will be around [17:09] :S [17:09] and all of them will be drunk 0/24 [17:09] it's like, MADNESS ROUND TH ECLOCK [17:09] CLOCK* [17:10] Riddell_: ping [17:10] agateau: ah hah, I need to restart plasma-desktop [17:10] Riddell: ah, could be [17:26] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kubuntu-fix-714668/+merge/48802 [17:30] I uploaded libindicate-qt with libindicate-qt0 renamed to libindicate-qt1 so transition will be needed, I'll do that once it's through New [17:30] agateau: I also added a .symbols file so if you break binary compatibility, we'll know about it! [17:34] Riddell: ok, I've set up a doodle poll: http://doodle.com/sbufw9rpaq7vh9i3 [17:36] maco: lovely, merged [17:36] Riddell: thanks dear [17:38] debfx: updated, do post to kubuntu-devel@ [17:40] agateau: ok as you said I'll submit the patch on LP:kmess [17:41] bambee: out of interest why do you use kmess rather than kopete? (or finishing kde-telepathy :) [17:42] Quintasan: lol [17:42] my interwebz was washed out [17:43] bambee: so ... i'd like to work on KAuth from tomorrow .... for User Management [17:44] bambee: yeah, Riddell's right, if you can I think guys over at #kde-telepathy could use your help [17:45] shadeslayer: that probably needs some Policykit scripts to run the privilaged bits, I expect those can be taken from the gnome equivalent, then rewrite the bits of userconfig to use them [17:45] Quintasan: sssh, he's got enough programming things to do in Kubuntu :) [17:46] because kmess works better than kopete for msn (I've severals problems with kopete, unable to send or download files, unable to see some contacts and so on) [17:46] kmess works just fine [17:46] BUT [17:46] I use kopete for jabber ;) [17:46] Riddell: yeah, but if we get rid of kopete then we will have less stuff to work on [17:46] Riddell: oh btw rekonq will probably have a alpha release in till this weekend, before that hopefullt [17:46] *hopefully [17:46] and graphically I prefer kmess too :) [17:46] and lemme test your cookies issue [17:47] however kopete is a very good IM [17:47] shadeslayer: an alpha release that is certain to have a final release before Kubuntu has a final release? [17:47] bambee: well, telepathy is future, if you feel like it then guys at #kde-telepathy are your friends :) [17:47] you're right [17:48] bambee: if you ever pop in there just tell em that Riddell or me sent you so you will get cookies ;) [17:50] ;) [17:52] "so ... i'd like to work on KAuth from tomorrow .... for User Management" => I missed something ? [17:52] arrff disconnected :\ [17:53] aah reconnected :P [17:54] Riddell: I think we are delaying it too much, considering the extreme need we have for a long bugfixing period and the necessity to release for the mid of March. [17:54] so .. yep :) [17:54] we get 1 month to test out rekonq on our system's as well [17:54] lemme see our release schedule [17:55] oh my [17:55] just in time for user interface freeze [17:56] ( sorry for the pinginng out, the quasselcore has alot of db queries right now ) [18:11] Riddell: i dont find anything related to kcookiejar in rekonq @_@ [18:12] well ... there's just a small piece of code that clear's cookies based on your settings [18:12] but that's about it [18:14] reboot [18:25] anyone who thinks they submitted a sponsor request for UDS-O: you did it during testing time and so it doesn't count. do-over some time later when it actually opens [18:27] Quintasan: ^^ [18:27] FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF [18:28] shadeslayer: say that to JonTheEchidna if he gets here [18:28] Quintasan: im leaving in another 30 mins [18:55] [messages] asserhal * 1219275 * trunk/l10n-kde4/sv/messages/ (13 files in 10 dirs) SVN_SILENT updated translations === ximion1 is now known as ximion [19:25] guys I'm not there tomorrow nor wednesday, however I'm back thursday ;) [19:26] and I'll give some help to shadeslayer for user management and Kauth :) [19:26] :) [19:26] oh and btw : http://wstaw.org/m/2011/02/07/plasma-desktopYD8524.jpg [19:26] :D [19:26] Quintasan: Riddell ^^ [19:27] we ripped off Firefox :P [19:27] shadeslayer: you mean you ripped off memleaks? [19:27] hah [19:27] :P [19:27]