[05:34] <c2tarun> hi
[05:51] <CIA-40> [messages] yurchor * 1219208 * trunk/l10n-kde4/uk/messages/ (12 files in 9 dirs) SVN_SILENT Ukrainian translation update
[08:48] <bambee> hey
[09:04] <CIA-40> [summit] pelcak * 1219212 * trunk/l10n-support/cs/ (61 files in 22 dirs) Update of Summit
[09:09] <CIA-40> [summit] ilic * 1219214 * (44 files in 23 dirs) Summit gather.
[09:29] <bambee> hi, I'm student in computer sciences and I would like get involved in kubuntu development and help you in the process (especially programming)
[09:29] <bambee> what I need to do ?  (sorry my english is not perfect)
[09:30] <bambee> It could be a good experience for a student, imho :)
[09:53] <bambee> no one there ?
[09:54] <tsimpson> bambee: just hang around for a while
[09:55] <tsimpson> bambee: there's some info here too: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved
[09:57] <bambee> I already read this page ;)
[10:11] <jussi> bambee: feel free to grab something on this page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[10:12] <bambee> jussi: ok
[10:13] <jussi> bambee: documentation is a great way to start - its easy to pick up and you learn about things also. 
[10:27] <NCommander> Riddell: ping, you about?
[10:35] <NCommander> anyone awake who can answer a Qt packaging question?
[11:03] <Riddell> NCommander: what's up?
[11:03] <Riddell> bambee: you wake up too early for us :)
[11:04] <NCommander> Riddell: what's your feelings w.r.t to changing Qt to build with GCC 4.4? (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/705689 for context)
[11:06] <Riddell> NCommander: I've no immediate objection if that fixes it
[11:07] <Riddell> but I guess I'd also want to talk to upstream and try their latest version to see if it's still a problem
[11:22] <NCommander> Riddell: well, considering we're looking at a toolchain regression that is triggered with 4.7.0/4.7.1, I'm doubtful 4.7.2 will fix it except by fluke
[11:23] <NCommander> Riddell: do we have a branch for qt4-x11, or is it just fire and forget? (I'm going to get the necessary signoffs from the toolchain team and would like to upload ASAP once we get those, then get to work towards fixing KDE)
[11:23] <bambee> Riddell: oh sorry I'm in france , I forgot jetlag :)
[11:25] <Riddell> NCommander: ah, blame the tools then :)
[11:25] <Riddell> NCommander: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/
[11:25] <Riddell> bambee: we'd love for you to help of course
[11:25] <bambee> cool :)
[11:25] <Riddell> do you know how to programme Qt, C++, Python?
[11:26] <bambee> yup, I prefer C++ but python is not a problem
[11:27] <NCommander> Riddell: thanks, I 'll upload 0ubuntu9 today if I get the necessary signoffs
[11:30] <bambee> Riddell: don't worry I'm better in programming than in english :P
[11:39] <Riddell> bambee: do you have natty installed?
[11:40] <bambee> not yet, actually I use maverick (with kubuntu-ppa/backports)
[11:41] <Riddell> bambee: does userconfig run?  kcmshell4 userconfig
[11:57] <Riddell> ScottK: kubuntu/daily-live: natty-desktop-powerpc.iso oversized by 2342912 bytes (736346112)  more changes needed
[11:57] <Tm_T> what have changed since alpha2?
[11:58] <Tm_T> hmm, I suppose there's no easy answer, so should dig it up myself or so
[12:01] <Riddell> Tm_T: see natty-changes :)
[12:02] <Tm_T> thanks
[12:09] <bambee> Riddell: yes it does
[12:09] <bambee> on natty it does not ?
[12:10] <Riddell> bambee: no it fails to load the .ui file
[12:12] <Riddell> /usr/share/kde4/apps/userconfig/ui/userproperties-details.ui
[12:14] <CIA-40> [messages] zepires * 1219234 * trunk/l10n-kde4/pt/messages/ (12 files in 9 dirs) Finished HEAD for now
[12:15] <Riddell> CIA-40: huh?  
[12:15] <Riddell> why do we care about that
[12:15] <bambee> Riddell: I'll upgrade to natty and test it
[12:27] <debfx> Tm_T: the powerpc kernel images have become larger
[12:43] <debfx> Riddell: I'm applying for kubuntu-dev :)
[12:44] <debfx> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FelixGeyer/KubuntuDevApplication
[12:52] <Riddell> debfx: the black belt of the ninjas!
[12:54] <debfx> :D
[13:04] <shadeslayer> everyone is applying for dev
[13:04] <shadeslayer> maybe i should too
[13:05] <Riddell> the more the merrier (as long as you're know your stuff and can take the grilling)
[13:05] <Tm_T> debfx: interesting, thanks
[13:06] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:06] <shadeslayer> oh also
[13:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what's the new thing that uses authentication in kdm called?
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't know of any new thing in KDM
[13:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the part where you auth kdm to change theme's etc
[13:10] <Riddell> well it's policykit
[13:10] <shadeslayer> ah .. ok 
[13:11] <shadeslayer> because the user management KCM does not have it
[13:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no it needs to be ported to policykit
[13:12] <Riddell> as does system-config-printer-kde and language-selector
[13:12] <shadeslayer> yeah .... alright ... i might work on it, just after i finish removing some redundant code from rekonq
[13:13] <shadeslayer> it's in kdelibs right?
[13:13] <Riddell> I've never used policykit but I think it involves writing small scripts to do the privilaged changes and calling them from polkit-kde
[13:13] <Riddell> I think the kdelibs API is KAuth
[13:14] <shadeslayer> alright
[13:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: of course the user management KCM has more immediate issues such as not running at all currently
[13:14] <shadeslayer> err... it doesn't?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> it works for me
[13:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: on natty?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> erm ... maverick :)
[13:15] <Riddell> there you go :)
[13:15] <shadeslayer> X is all sorts of broken on natty .. so will upgrade when in beta
[13:15] <Riddell> new sip and pyqt causing problems I think
[13:15] <shadeslayer> stupid SIP
[13:16] <shadeslayer> and stupid pyth0rn
[13:16] <Riddell> plan for userconfig should be, fix bugs, port to policykit, get it upstream
[13:16] <Riddell> but that will take someone with some dedication, it hasn't happened yet
[13:16] <shadeslayer> alrighty .... i can have a looksie today :)
[13:16] <shadeslayer> figure out a POA
[13:17] <Riddell> bambee said he would check the ui loading problem (the natty issue) so coordinate with him/her
[13:17] <shadeslayer> #kde-devel? or some sekret channel? :P
[13:17] <Riddell> bambee: you also have message indicator support for kmess?  anything we need to care about or will that just go upstream?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> ah ^^
[13:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: here, an hour ago
[13:18] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:19] <bambee> Riddell: I prefer a review first and then send it to upstream
[13:21] <Riddell> bambee: if agateau has a moment he's be the best person to review, he's done most of the message indicator work for us
[13:21] <bambee> mhhhh... I don't know... I wrote a patch to integrate support directly in kmess code source... (no plugin manager yet) so probably upstream would be better...
[13:22] <bambee> Riddell: ok :)
[13:30] <bambee> reboot
[13:36] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:36] <shadeslayer> rebooting : something i haven't done in 2 days
[13:43] <bambee> Riddell: as you said on natty userconfig crashes
[13:43] <bambee> (with a nice backtrace)
[13:46] <Riddell> bambee: yeah :(
[13:46] <Riddell> bambee: since the same code works in maverick I presume it's due to updated sip and pyqt
[13:47] <bambee> probably
[13:47] <Riddell> bambee: so I guess debugging would be to check if any ,ui loads in pyqt now and then start to narrow it down to the part that is a problem with this .ui file
[13:47] <Riddell> assuming that interests you at all
[13:47] <Riddell> bambee: how was upgrading to natty?
[13:50] <bambee> fine except I lost kwin effects :(
[13:50] <bambee> (due to nouveau probably)
[13:51] <bambee> Riddell: I'll try to find a solution for userconfig :)
[14:24] <bambee> Riddell: this is a bug in PyQt4 ui/uiparser.py line 231 =>  bg_i18n is an instance of type QString, so bg_i18n.string is wrong :)
[14:24] <bambee> and apparently it's fixed on upstream in nightly build
[14:25] <bambee> but just for test  replace line 231 by "bg_name = bg_i18n" , and then try kcmshell4 userconfig
[14:25] <bambee> ;)
[14:36] <Riddell> bambee: you tested upstream nightly pyqt?  or you read somewhere the bug is fixed?
[14:38] <Riddell> bambee: 'replace line 231 by "bg_name = bg_i18n"' is that the upstream fix?
[14:39] <bambee> I just read somewhere (on upstream) that a very similar bug was fixed in nightly pyqt
[14:39] <bambee> http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Downloads/PyQt4/ChangeLog-snapshot-4.8.4-278054fd857c
[14:40] <bambee> " is that the upstream fix?" => no it's mine
[14:41] <Riddell> bambee: so we need to track down that 278054fd857c ideally
[14:41] <Riddell> I wonder if pyqt has public git these days
[14:43] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/4285/
[14:43] <Riddell> bambee: looks promising ^^
[14:43] <Riddell> yay, fixes it
[14:44] <Riddell> bambee: so we need to add that patch to our python-qt package, do you know how, are you interested in learning how? (else I can just do it)
[14:45] <bambee> yes I'm :)
[14:45] <ari-tczew> Riddell: could you sponsor something for me?
[14:46] <Riddell> ari-tczew: sure
[14:46] <ari-tczew> Riddell: bug 713790
[14:47] <Riddell> bambee: install devscripts, apt-get source python-qt4, put the patch with -p1 level in debian/patches, add to debian/patches/sources, dch -i to add a changelog, debuild -S to build a source package, debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc to make a debdiff to give to someone who can upload (me)
[14:48] <bambee> ok ;)
[14:48] <tazz> Riddell, do you have any small kubuntu sitckers ?
[14:49] <Riddell> ari-tczew: patch on comment #1 is for the wrong package I think
[14:49] <Riddell> tazz: you should have come to FOSDEM, I had some there, all gone now 
[14:49] <Riddell> maybe I should get more for conf.kde.in, they're not cheap though
[14:50] <tazz> Riddell, a small problem of funding XD
[14:50] <ari-tczew> Riddell: yea, it's occur often while merging a few packages
[14:50] <tazz> np, Riddell we'll print some in BLR itself.
[14:52] <Riddell> tazz: I don't think I have the design I used but it was the KDE 4.6 wallpaper with kubuntu logo on top and "Friendly Computing" underneith
[14:52] <ari-tczew> Riddell: updated 
[14:52] <tazz> Riddell, ok...
[14:53] <Riddell> ari-tczew: since libboost-dev depends on libboost1.42-dev I wonder if we need to keep that change
[14:54] <Riddell> ari-tczew: and since we have kdelibs5-dev >= 4:4.5.2 everywhere that's not vital either
[14:54] <Riddell> ScottK: what's the crack with boost build-depends?
[14:55] <Riddell> ari-tczew: I'd say we can sync this unless ScottK think we really need explicit versioning on boost build-deps
[14:56] <ari-tczew> Riddell: +1 for sync if these changes are deprecated
[14:58] <Riddell> ari-tczew: change the bug into a sync bug and if ScottK doesn't object by tomorrow I'll do it with my archive day
[14:59] <shadeslayer> flipping rekonq won't save LP comments
[14:59] <shadeslayer> sigh
[15:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: won't save them?  that's worse than normal when it has saved but hasn't done the ajax update thing
[15:00] <ari-tczew> Riddell: done
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's still losing my login to websites when I log out of KDE
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: doesn't save them as in ... doesn't show that it has saved them
[15:01] <shadeslayer> i've even disabled all the fooey code that was causing a issue
[15:01] <shadeslayer> err
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that might be because of the cache etc ... maybe kde cleans out the cache and thus you can't login ?
[15:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: my cookie cache?  why would it do that?
[15:05] <Riddell> although .kde/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies is empty
[15:05] <Riddell> which is weird
[15:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'd say rekonq isn't using kcookiejar properly
[15:06] <Riddell> hmm, better than konqueror which just crashes when loading any web page :(
[15:07] <bambee> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/J3dwS1K1
[15:07] <bambee> :)
[15:09] <Riddell> bambee: lovely, thanks very much
[15:09] <bambee> you're welcome :)
[15:09] <Riddell> I think the only thing I'd change is naming the patch kubuntu_01_...  to make it clear the patch is from us and not from debian (makes merging easier), I can do that easily enough
[15:10] <Riddell> oh also it should close the launchpad bug
[15:10] <bambee> ohhh so I should add "(LP:  #XXXX)" in the changelog...
[15:11] <Riddell> except I don't think there is a bug
[15:11] <Riddell> can't see one on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/userconfig
[15:11] <Riddell> so we'll just leave that out
[15:13] <bambee> ok 
[15:14] <Riddell> bambee: uploaded!  thanks for helping Kubuntu
[15:16] <bambee> :)
[15:23] <Riddell> bambee: so for coding userconfig can do with more love.  there's also language-selector which needs various things done.  our installer usually needs fixes.  In c++ rbelem is working on file sharing with samba, he might well need some help there
[15:25] <Riddell> and of course we do packaging and bugfixing (kconf upgrade script for the wallpaper change would be good)
[15:25] <Quintasan> \o
[15:28] <Quintasan> It's time to fill out UDS O sponsorship form
[15:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: has it been announced yet?
[15:28] <Riddell> bambee: plus there's the todo list and bug fix list needing done https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo http://goo.gl/yGhJd
[15:28] <bambee> Riddell: what do you mean by language-selector ? I mean language-selector from systemsettings ?
[15:29] <Riddell> bambee: yes, System Settings -> Locale -> Languages -> Install more Languages
[15:29] <bambee> ok
[15:29] <maco> Riddell: where do changes get made to the slideshow in the installer? i spotted a typo when installing my system at work
[15:29] <Riddell> bambee: or just run  kdesudo "qt-language-selector --mode install"
[15:30] <Riddell> maco: ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[15:30] <Riddell> bambee: I think we'd like that changed to a kcontrol module rather than standalone app
[15:30] <Riddell> bambee: it should have feature parity with the gtk frontend
[15:30] <Riddell> bambee: and ideally should be ported to policykit
[15:31] <Riddell> well porting it to policykit might be a requirement for it being a kcontrol module
[15:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: It wasn't but the form is open
[15:32] <Riddell> bambee: or for a project we'd like, implement the sound menu for KDE
[15:32] <Riddell> bambee: so lots to do :)
[15:32] <bambee> indeed :)
[15:32] <Riddell> in return, fame, glory and free trips to Ubuntu Summits!
[15:33] <bambee> w00t :D
[15:34] <Riddell> that kdesudo command reminds me it could do with having its syntax fixed, should be any need for quotes in kdesudo "qt-language-selector --mode install"
[15:43] <Riddell> language-selector should use kpackagekit really rather than its own polictkit stuff
[15:43] <Riddell> doing that would probably get rid of a load of code
[15:46] <debfx> Riddell: you don't need quotes, this works fine: kdesudo -- qt-language-selector --mode install
[15:48] <bambee> mhhh I don't know because language-selector and sound menu in KDE are both very interesting :)
[15:50] <c2tarun> hi
[16:01] <debfx> Riddell: so how does the application process work? we need to set up a meeting?
[16:03] <Quintasan> c2tarun: Hi there
[16:03] <c2tarun> Quintasan: hi :)
[16:05] <c2tarun> Quintasan: I got an error while building a package, it was that build dependencies are missing. There was an application for installing build-depends automatically, can you please tell me that?
[16:05] <Quintasan> c2tarun: sudo apt-get build-dep <name of the package you want build depends of>
[16:06] <c2tarun> Quintasan: do we have to install all the build-deps I mean can't we use pbuilder-dist for this.
[16:07] <maco> Riddell: merge request sent
[16:08] <Quintasan> c2tarun: I don't get what you want to do now
[16:09] <c2tarun> Quintasan: I want to build the package, but I dont want to bloat my system by installing all the build-dep for a application. Can we install all the build-dep in pbuilder-dist env and build application there.
[16:09] <Quintasan> c2tarun: The pbuilder does that automatically
[16:09] <Quintasan> c2tarun: you just add the dependencies to debian/control file
[16:10] <c2tarun> Quintasan: but still the biggest problem is how to copy the folder from my home folder to pbuilder-dist home folder?
[16:10] <debfx> c2tarun: you can build the source package on your system (debuild -S) and then run pbuilder on the resulting .dsc file
[16:11] <c2tarun> debfx: but I am getting error while debuild -S and someone on #ubuntu-motu told me that it was due to missing build-dep
[16:11] <Quintasan> ...
[16:11] <Quintasan> You can ignore it
[16:12] <debfx> some build-deps might be needed when running the clean target (which debuild does by default)
[16:13] <c2tarun> I just installed all the build deps but still getting that error. check this http://paste.ubuntu.com/563925/
[16:14] <c2tarun> any idea about the error ^^
[16:15] <debfx> looks like spyder_2.0.6.orig.tar.gz is not a valid tar.gz file
[16:17] <c2tarun> debfx: hmm..... It was on the website. but on debian site there is a version 2.0.3 do you think that I should pack that one as an upgrade and leave this one?
[16:17] <Quintasan> c2tarun: and that error is certainly not missing build depend but a wrong source file
[16:17] <Quintasan> debfx: if there is a version in Debian then ask the Debian maintainer to update it
[16:18] <Quintasan> debfx: sorry, meant to c2tarun
[16:18] <c2tarun> Quintasan: got it :) can a debian maintainer update in ubuntu archives as well?
[16:18] <Quintasan> c2tarun: unless you are both debian developer and motu or core-dev then no
[16:19] <Quintasan> c2tarun: usually you would ask Debian developer to upgrade the package in Debian and then request a sync in Ubuntu
[16:19] <c2tarun> Quintasan: Can i request the sync, I thought only MOTU's can do that.
[16:19] <Quintasan> You can REQUEST a sync
[16:19] <Quintasan> but only archive admins can do them
[16:20] <c2tarun> Quintasan: request as posting a bug on LP?
[16:20] <Quintasan> yup
[16:20] <c2tarun> Quintasan: god I hate doing this :( when will I be ready for MOTU :((
[16:21] <Quintasan> you need at least two months of fairly constant contributions to get a membership
[16:21] <c2tarun> Quintasan: hmm.... thats cool I thought may be years ;)
[16:22] <Quintasan> c2tarun: I mean Kubuntu Membership
[16:22] <Quintasan> c2tarun: You can apply straight for MOTU
[16:22] <c2tarun> Quintasan: what is the point in applying when they'll reject me STRAIGHT :(
[16:23] <Quintasan> c2tarun: well, you need someone to endore your application
[16:24] <Quintasan> c2tarun: like, you work around here helping us and learn packaging that way, then after sometime, if you think you are ready, you create a MOTU application, attend a meeting on IRC where they ask you questions
[16:24] <c2tarun> Quintasan: there will be an interview session?
[16:25] <Quintasan> c2tarun: there is no special time for that, you just add your application to next DMB agenda and join the irc channel when the meeting stats
[16:25] <c2tarun> Quintasan: question like what?
[16:26] <Quintasan> it will be faster to supply logs than reply
[16:28] <c2tarun> Quintasan: where can i get the logs? can u please tell.
[16:29] <Quintasan> looking for them
[16:29] <c2tarun> Quintasan: thanks me too :)
[16:32] <Quintasan> hmm on 17th December I got accepted
[16:32] <c2tarun> 2009? 
[16:33] <c2tarun> Quintasan: ^^
[16:33] <Quintasan> yup
[16:35] <Quintasan> c2tarun: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/11/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[16:35] <Quintasan> That would be this one
[16:35] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: if you want request a sync from Debian, you can use script "requestsync" from package ubuntu-dev-tools
[16:35] <Riddell> debfx: well kdesudo shouldn't need the -- either, sudo doesn't
[16:35] <Riddell> debfx: yes a meeting of kubuntu-dev, feel free to use doodle.com to set one up
[16:36] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: MOTU can ACK syncs.
[16:36] <Riddell> maco: URL to merge request?
[16:36] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: We have a script syncpackage which developer can use for upload sync directly to archive via dput.
[16:37] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: awesome
[16:38] <Riddell> bambee: I guess agateau isn't around today, best e-mail him the patch to kmess
[16:39] <Quintasan> c2tarun: The meeting looks like this, you sure will want some of us to show up for your meeting so we can support your contributions
[16:39] <Quintasan> man, that sure brings memories :O
[16:39] <agateau> Riddell: I am there :)
[16:40] <agateau> Actually I suggested bambee to submit the patch on LP
[16:40] <Riddell> ah, lovely
[16:40] <agateau> bambee: and subscribe me to the bug
[16:40] <agateau> bambee: or do as Riddell suggested, mail the patch, bug at some point it will need to go in LP
[16:41] <agateau> Riddell: btw, did you get to package this new libindicate-qt?
[16:41] <c2tarun> Quintasan: sure :) thanks as soon as i'll think that I can be a motu i'll request you all.
[16:41] <Riddell> agateau: it's next on my todo list
[16:42] <agateau> Riddell: great
[16:42] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: I encourage you to work on merges and fix some FTBFS with binutils-gold.
[16:42] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: FTBFS?
[16:42] <Quintasan> fails to build from source
[16:43] <c2tarun> for that do I have to make changes in the original source code?
[16:43] <Quintasan> with patches
[16:43] <ari-tczew> it depends
[16:43] <ari-tczew> use command "what-patch" to make sure whether and which patch system package uses
[16:44] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok, then
[16:44] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: oh, you were handled by MOTU Council yet, not DMB
[16:44] <Quintasan> the meeting will look most likely the same :P
[16:45] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: but DMB is exapnded than MC
[16:45] <Quintasan> I know
[16:46] <Quintasan> But I do not think they will grill him more than necessary
[16:46]  * Quintasan wonders if Mark ever uses his irc client
[16:47] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: which Mark?
[16:47] <sabdfl> i do
[16:47] <Quintasan> Awesome :)
[16:47] <sabdfl> back to natty, then
[16:47] <sabdfl> :-p
[16:47] <Quintasan> :D
[16:47]  * Quintasan should start working too
[16:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Did I upload your kdegames stuff or not?
[16:48] <ari-tczew> sabdfl: I see you on IRC first time, as well. Nice.
[16:48] <sabdfl> i'm around just about every day
[16:49] <ari-tczew> sabdfl: your nickname is pretty exotic
[16:49] <Quintasan> I think sabdfl get things done instead of talking about them :D
[16:49] <sabdfl> it's more declarative than exotic
[16:49] <sabdfl> gtg, see you later
[16:57] <ulysses> Do we have a time machine? The alpha 2 announcement says the Narwhal will be released in 2010 April:\
[16:57] <Riddell> ulysses: that'll be my fault, please fix
[16:57] <Riddell> (assuming you're looking at the Kubuntu wiki page)
[16:58] <ulysses> Anyway it would be good to have a time machne
[16:58]  * ulysses fixing
[16:58] <Quintasan> Yeah, time machine
[16:58] <Quintasan> like uploading KDE 4.6 as 4.0
[16:59] <Quintasan> and making kde devs go like "WTF? DID WE HIT BALLMER'S PEAK?!"
[17:05] <Riddell> Riddell_: hi
[17:05] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[17:06] <Riddell> agateau: hmm, message indicator doesn't seem to know that quassel or konversation are being run
[17:06] <Quintasan> WAAAAAAH THREE Riddells
[17:06] <Riddell> I get around
[17:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: You sure know how to multi-task
[17:07] <Quintasan> :D
[17:07] <ulysses> Quintasan: it's better than having three apachelogger
[17:07] <Quintasan> Oh god
[17:07] <ulysses> imagine that
[17:07] <Quintasan> I even don't want to imagine this
[17:07] <Quintasan> ulysses++
[17:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[17:08] <Quintasan> yofel: ^^
[17:08] <agateau> Riddell: mmm weird
[17:09] <yofel> Quintasan: as long as they're not around 24/7 it might be tolerable
[17:09] <Quintasan> yofel: at least one of them will be around
[17:09] <yofel> :S
[17:09] <ulysses> and all of them will be drunk 0/24
[17:09] <Quintasan> it's like, MADNESS ROUND TH ECLOCK
[17:09] <Quintasan> CLOCK*
[17:10] <Riddell> Riddell_: ping
[17:10] <Riddell> agateau: ah hah, I need to restart plasma-desktop
[17:10] <agateau> Riddell: ah, could be
[17:26] <maco> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~maco.m/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kubuntu-fix-714668/+merge/48802
[17:30] <Riddell> I uploaded libindicate-qt with libindicate-qt0 renamed to libindicate-qt1 so transition will be needed, I'll do that once it's through New
[17:30] <Riddell> agateau: I also added a .symbols file so if you break binary compatibility, we'll know about it!
[17:34] <debfx> Riddell: ok, I've set up a doodle poll: http://doodle.com/sbufw9rpaq7vh9i3
[17:36] <Riddell> maco: lovely, merged
[17:36] <maco> Riddell: thanks dear
[17:38] <Riddell> debfx: updated, do post to kubuntu-devel@
[17:40] <bambee> agateau: ok as you said I'll submit the patch on LP:kmess
[17:41] <Riddell> bambee: out of interest why do you use kmess rather than kopete? (or finishing kde-telepathy :)
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: lol
[17:42] <shadeslayer> my interwebz was washed out
[17:43] <shadeslayer> bambee: so ... i'd like to work on KAuth from tomorrow .... for User Management
[17:44] <Quintasan> bambee: yeah, Riddell's right, if you can I think guys over at #kde-telepathy could use your help
[17:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that probably needs some Policykit scripts to run the privilaged bits, I expect those can be taken from the gnome equivalent, then rewrite the bits of userconfig to use them
[17:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: sssh, he's got enough programming things to do in Kubuntu :)
[17:46] <bambee> because kmess works better than kopete for msn (I've severals problems with kopete, unable to send or download files, unable to see some contacts and so on)
[17:46] <bambee> kmess works just fine
[17:46] <bambee> BUT
[17:46] <bambee> I use kopete for jabber ;)
[17:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: yeah, but if we get rid of kopete then we will have less stuff to work on
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh btw rekonq will probably have a alpha release in till this weekend, before that hopefullt
[17:46] <shadeslayer> *hopefully
[17:46] <bambee> and graphically I prefer kmess too :)
[17:46] <shadeslayer> and lemme test your cookies issue
[17:47] <bambee> however kopete is a very good IM 
[17:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: an alpha release that is certain to have a final release before Kubuntu has a final release?
[17:47] <Quintasan> bambee: well, telepathy is future, if you feel like it then guys at #kde-telepathy are your friends :)
[17:47] <bambee> you're right
[17:48] <Quintasan> bambee: if you ever pop in there just tell em that Riddell or me sent you so you will get cookies ;)
[17:50] <bambee> ;)
[17:52] <bambee> "so ... i'd like to work on KAuth from tomorrow .... for User Management" => I missed something ?
[17:52] <bambee> arrff disconnected :\
[17:53] <bambee> aah reconnected :P
[17:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: <quote>I think we are delaying it too much, considering the extreme need we have for a long bugfixing period and the necessity to release for the mid of March.<end quote>
[17:54] <shadeslayer> so .. yep :)
[17:54] <shadeslayer> we get 1 month to test out rekonq on our system's as well
[17:54] <shadeslayer> lemme see our release schedule
[17:55] <shadeslayer> oh my
[17:55] <shadeslayer> just in time for user interface freeze
[17:56] <shadeslayer> ( sorry for the pinginng out, the quasselcore has alot of db queries right now )
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i dont find anything related to kcookiejar in rekonq @_@
[18:12] <shadeslayer> well ... there's just a small piece of code that clear's cookies based on your settings
[18:12] <shadeslayer> but that's about it
[18:14] <bambee> reboot
[18:25] <maco> anyone who thinks they submitted a sponsor request for UDS-O:   you did it during testing time and so it doesn't count. do-over some time later when it actually opens
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^^
[18:27] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
[18:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: say that to JonTheEchidna if he gets here
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: im leaving in another 30 mins
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[19:25] <bambee> guys I'm not there tomorrow nor wednesday, however I'm back thursday ;)
[19:26] <bambee> and I'll give some help to shadeslayer for user management and Kauth :)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> oh and btw : http://wstaw.org/m/2011/02/07/plasma-desktopYD8524.jpg
[19:26] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Riddell ^^
[19:27] <shadeslayer> we ripped off Firefox :P
[19:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you mean you ripped off memleaks?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> hah 
[19:27] <Quintasan> :P
[19:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: rekonq doesn't leak alot of mem tho
[19:28] <shadeslayer> i ran it for 3 days ... and it's still idling at 200 megs
[19:28] <shadeslayer> it started at 180-185 
[19:28] <shadeslayer> i agree ... 200 megs looks like alot ... but still
[19:31] <shadeslayer> bambee: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebase/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/master/entry/kdm/kcm/kdm-users.cpp#L69
[19:31] <shadeslayer> we will need a dbus entry .. :S
[19:32] <shadeslayer> looks trivial to create one tho ...
[19:32] <shadeslayer> ok time to sleep
[19:33] <shadeslayer> night all
[19:50] <ulysses> Are the desktop effects broken in Natty for anyone?
[19:51] <Riddell> sheytan: how did you rip off firefox?
[19:52] <sheytan> Riddell did you mean shadeslayer? :D
[19:52] <Riddell> ulysses: working better than ever on my laptop, really slow and crap on my netbook, so just the usual lottery, see mgraesslin's blog on planet today
[19:52] <Riddell> sheytan: yes sorry
[19:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how did you rip off firefox?
[19:52] <sheytan> no problem
[19:52] <ulysses> I can't resume the desktop effects
[19:52] <ulysses> when it worked, it was good, but now it doesn't work
[20:00] <Riddell> sheytan: I think I should ask the ubuntu-website mailing list if anyone can turn your design into a wiki theme
[20:00] <sheytan> Riddell you know what sucks?
[20:01] <sheytan> That we always need to ask ubuntu ppl to make any step forward
[20:01] <sheytan> same thing with the hosting
[20:01] <sheytan> we need our own stuff
[20:01] <sheytan> own wiki
[20:01] <sheytan> with own information
[20:09] <mgraesslin> ulysses: which graphics card?
[20:09] <ulysses> mgraesslin: Intel GMA4500
[20:10] <mgraesslin> is graphicssystem raster still enabled by default on natty?
[20:14] <fosdemlogger> should be
[20:14] <fosdemlogger> ulysses: echo $QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM
[20:14] <mgraesslin> still at fosdem?
[20:15] <fosdemlogger> oh
[20:15] <apachelogger> at home for 3 hrs :D
[20:17] <apachelogger> anyone knows where my favorite kpackagekit/apper hacker is?
[20:18] <apachelogger> debfx: did you have beer with Nightrose yet?
[20:30] <Riddell> mgraesslin: qt raster is not longer set with up to date kubuntu-default-settings in natty
[20:31] <mgraesslin> ok
[20:31] <mgraesslin> so that's then not the reason for ulysses problems
[20:31] <Riddell> sheytan: well we could do it, but I have idea about making Moin themes so it seems sensible to find someone who does
[20:31] <Riddell> mgraesslin: unless he has an old version
[20:31] <Riddell> ulysses: got /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80qtgraphicssystem ?
[20:32] <sheytan> Riddell what's Moin?
[20:32] <Riddell> sheytan: the wiki software we use
[20:32] <mgraesslin> it's written in apachelogger's most favorite programming language
[20:32] <apachelogger> french?
[20:33] <apachelogger> oh
[20:33] <apachelogger> pyth0rn
[20:33] <sheytan> Riddell first of all, when we will have info about development tools, and others on the new web page, do we need the wiki ?
[20:33] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: one gets to notice that a lot
[20:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: yes
[20:35] <ulysses> apachelogger: raster
[20:35] <apachelogger> ulysses: you are out of date it seems or you have used the graphicssystem kcm to switch to raster...
[20:35] <ulysses> Riddell: I have
[20:35] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ^
[20:36] <mgraesslin> ulysses: switch back to native if you want desktop effects
[20:37] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: given our bug reports users who use the 4.6 PPA and have an Intel GPU love your kcm
[20:37] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:37] <ulysses> how?
[20:37] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: sorry :)
[20:37] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: no need - it was useful as it helped to identify the issue
[20:38] <apachelogger> ic
[20:40] <sheytan> apachelogger can't we just put all the stuff into one page?
[20:40] <sheytan> imho wikis suck
[20:40] <apachelogger> IMHO they do not
[20:40] <sheytan> and it's hard to find stuff on them
[20:40] <apachelogger> except for ours
[20:40] <apachelogger> but that is another story
[20:41] <sheytan> apachelogger well, so tell me please what info you can't put into the new kubuntu website which you can on the wiki?
[20:42] <apachelogger> let me throw another question in return... do you want everyone with a launchpad account to be able to edit the kubuntu website?
[20:43] <sheytan> apachelogger edit for what? To add new stuff? Can't we choose like 2-3 person for do that?
[20:43] <sheytan> And even if, we can make just a sepcyfic part of the page editable for them
[20:43] <apachelogger> sheytan: to answer your question then: we cannot put information there that needs or should be editable by everyone
[20:43] <ulysses> apachelogger: how can I switch back?
[20:44] <apachelogger> such as a meeting agenda
[20:44] <apachelogger> ulysses: open the kcm and swich back to native
[20:44] <sheytan> apachelogger as i said, cant we make just a specyfic part of the page editable?
[20:44] <apachelogger> that requires someone doing that
[20:45] <apachelogger> workflows that depend on a small team == ultimate super shit and management nightmare
[20:45] <sheytan> apachelogger you mean to write code for this feature?
[20:45] <apachelogger> sheytan: no, creating new pages as the community requires it
[20:45] <apachelogger> then assigning permissions accordingly
[20:45] <apachelogger> then the community needs to mess with html stuff flip flup
[20:46] <apachelogger> the website and the wiki address different needs
[20:46] <apachelogger> but
[20:46] <ulysses> meh, I can't find
[20:46] <apachelogger> as you were asking in a very specific context anyway
[20:46] <apachelogger> sheytan: the theming should go away
[20:46] <apachelogger> kubuntu wiki should be ubuntu wiki
[20:47] <apachelogger> as we are part of the ubuntu community but form a dedicated team for the kubuntu distribution
[20:47] <sheytan> apachelogger i might agree. Wiki: ubuntu stuff, the new web page: kubuntu stuff
[20:47] <apachelogger> making it appear as if the wiki were made for kubuntu is a wrong thing
[20:47] <apachelogger> as it is confusing
[20:47] <apachelogger> because it is a wiki filled with foobar from all sorts of ubuntu teams
[20:47] <sheytan> wiki: a technical side, for devs and stuff, the page: users related stuff
[20:48] <apachelogger> when do we send users to the wiki now?
[20:48] <apachelogger> AFAIK we do not have user relevant content on the wiki
[20:48] <apachelogger> never had
[20:49] <sheytan> apachelogger: we don't need to. We can put all user related stuff on the page. When there's a meeting or something, we can post a news on the page and link to wiki with the agenda
[20:49]  * apachelogger notes that he does not think meetings should get a news
[20:49] <sheytan> why not?
[20:50] <apachelogger> because those are community meetings and if someone does not feel invovled enough to actually subscribe to the low frequency dev mailing list then I do not care much for their opinion
[20:50] <apachelogger> basically: if things get put into too public places people will show up that have actually no sensible input to give but disrupt discussion
[20:51] <apachelogger> like say we discuss making gstreamer our god, people might show up and flood the meeting with claims how shitty gstreamer is and that actually mplayer should be our god
[20:52] <sheytan> apachelogger well, so there's no need to link users to the wiki
[20:52] <apachelogger> sheytan: isn't that what I said anyway? :P
[20:52] <sheytan> apachelogger yeah, and i do agree with that :D
[20:52]  * apachelogger fails to see the point of the discussion as the wiki has valid use cases and all of them lay outside the scope of the average user and thus the website itself too
[20:56] <Riddell> sheytan: how do you mean info about development tools?
[20:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think there was a bit of confusion as to what the wiki is used for
[20:57] <apachelogger> also the new website includes a list and description of dev tools on kubuntu and whatnot
[20:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: have you been hiding on sunday? ^^
[20:59] <sheytan> Riddell we have general info about how to start development for Kubuntu/KDE on the new page
[20:59] <sheytan> Riddell and as we both, me and apachelogger agree, the wiki should be developers related, not users
[20:59] <sheytan> users shouldn't look for information about their OS on the wiki
[21:00] <sheytan> that's what Support page is for
[21:00] <apachelogger> s/developers/community ;)
[21:00] <sheytan> yeah :D
[21:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: on Sunday I was on a train (don't you start, already had hassle from my gf for that!)
[21:00] <apachelogger> uh uh uh
[21:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I shall hug you twice at UDS then :P
[21:01] <ulysses> apachelogger: I kde-config-qt-graphicssystem, switched to OpenGL, and now after the splash screen nothing happens
[21:01] <apachelogger> :O
[21:01] <ulysses> installed*
[21:01] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:01] <apachelogger> you should not use opengl :P
[21:01] <apachelogger> not on intel anyway
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[21:02] <Riddell> sheytan: I'm not sure what change you are proposing
[21:02] <apachelogger> if raster already falls apart there...
[21:04] <sheytan> Riddell first of all, that we should marge the Kubuntu wiki with the Ubuntu one, couse the information are almost the same. Then, we shouldn't add users related info on the wiki. They should go to the new web site.
[21:05] <apachelogger> sheytan: they are *exactly* the same
[21:05] <apachelogger> wiki.kubuntu.org is just wiki.ubuntu.com with a different theme
[21:05] <sheytan> apachelogger and what about a todo lists? They are different :)
[21:05] <apachelogger> and no one is adding user content to the wiki
[21:05] <apachelogger> sheytan: no
[21:05] <apachelogger> they are different pages
[21:06] <sheytan> well, right
[21:06] <sheytan> apachelogger so the Kubuntu wiki should die? :D
[21:06] <apachelogger> woohooo, lover returned with cigs \o/
[21:07] <apachelogger> sheytan: well, if no one cares to keep the theme in line with the website theme it should just use the ubuntu theme
[21:07] <apachelogger> it cannot simply die for consistency reasons and whatnot
[21:07] <apachelogger> also it being there does not particularly cause problems
[21:08] <sheytan> apachelogger But i'm on the way with the theme, the problem is, that the ubuntu team needs to implement it
[21:08] <Riddell> sheytan: anyone can implement it who knows how to make moin themes
[21:08] <sheytan> Riddell do we have anyone in the Kubuntu team
[21:08] <sheytan> ?
[21:08] <Riddell> not that I know of
[21:09] <Riddell> Kubuntu is part of Ubuntu, we should be happy to ask for help from other parts, not be isolated
[21:09] <sheytan> and that's the thing. When i create the theme, it will take ages to implement :)
[21:09] <sheytan> same problem is for ofir, that he has no access to the server, to work on the page
[21:10] <sheytan> did something change in this case?
[21:10] <Riddell> it's unfortunate that it's not easy to make a wiki theme, but that's the fault of the wiki software, not the fault of any part of ubuntu
[21:10] <apachelogger> *nod*
[21:10] <apachelogger> also I would like to remind you that the wiki software is written in pyth0rn ;)
[21:11] <Riddell> it's a pain that we rely on canonical sysadmin to update the website theme but they say they will respond within a day next time we ask them to update it
[21:12] <sheytan> Riddell so i don't understand why ofir needs access to the server to keep the development
[21:12] <sheytan> i'm lost
[21:14] <ryanakca> Aye, they're still running moinmoin 1.6.3, which was severely outdated when I did the current theme. I think the current moinmoin version is 1.9.x
[21:14] <apachelogger> sheytan: well, he does more than just theming :P
[21:15] <apachelogger> themes are considerable easy to deploy (as the security review will be rather quick and stuff)
[21:15] <sheytan> apachelogger sure he does, but as you know, he doesn't have access to the server, so he cannot continue the development which sucks, cause we loose time ;(
[21:16] <apachelogger> yes
[21:16] <apachelogger> though I absolutely understand why he does not get access
[21:17] <sheytan> why
[21:17] <apachelogger> security reasons
[21:17] <Riddell> sheytan: ooh we could always try and convince ryanakca to make us a new wiki theme
[21:17] <apachelogger> also liability
[21:18]  * ryanakca chokes
[21:18] <sheytan> apachelogger well, so tell me please how do we release the new page then?
[21:18] <apachelogger> sheytan: different server or very slowly
[21:19] <sheytan> apachelogger that's the thing. Riddell had to ask KDE to host our page, but i don't know where are we now with it :(
[21:19] <apachelogger> or you convince a sysadmin to fall madly in love with the kubuntu community and help you work on the website in your sparetime and stuff
[21:19] <apachelogger> s/your/his
[21:20] <apachelogger> then when he is at work he is more dedicated to get things moved more quickly and also has more insight in the code already etc. etc.
[21:21] <apachelogger> I call it this the creeping community benefit
[21:21] <ryanakca> apachelogger: regarding a quick security review: our last wiki theme review took three months.
[21:21] <sheytan> apachelogger the code stuff is made by ofir. Anyway, he might don't have freetime when ubuntu guy has. Wouldn't it be way better to have access to it when we need it?
[21:21] <apachelogger> ryanakca: quick WRT time that it actually takes to conduct the review
[21:21] <sheytan> maybe we should like buy  a new server :D
[21:21] <apachelogger> ryanakca: if you take a look at open security bugs I consider 3 months rather fast processing for security team standards ^^
[21:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: sure it would
[21:22] <apachelogger> but it is not possible
[21:22] <apachelogger> for good and sane reasons
[21:22] <sheytan> and they are?
[21:22] <apachelogger> security and liability
[21:22] <apachelogger> anyhow, discussion won't help
[21:23] <apachelogger> they are canonical servers and canonical decides who gets access
[21:23] <sheytan> so in that case, we will never release the new page :)
[21:23] <apachelogger> so other options must be evaluated or deal with the situation or try to get creeping community benefit going
[21:23]  * apachelogger notes that we do way to little with regards to creeping community benefit anyway
[21:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you could do a talk on CCB some day ;)
[21:24] <ryanakca> As for me making the new wiki theme, I've had my fill of running after sysadmins, I'll pass for now.
[21:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: the rainbow has many colors... you just have to notice them and enjoy them
[21:25] <apachelogger> wohooo
[21:25] <apachelogger> bf returned with cigarettes \o/
[21:26] <sheytan> apachelogger well, the artwork is almost done, text just needs to be reviewd from some native english dude and  that's it. The technical side is not my thing anyway.
[21:26] <sheytan> But it would suck, that we have everything to make a really great page for everyone, and not have the possibility to publish it 
[21:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: you just have to look for other options
[21:35] <apachelogger> or in the worst case scenario hope for quick processing by sysadmins and security team
[21:37] <bambee> see you thursday
[21:37] <bambee> 'night
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[22:34] <Riddell> ?
[22:34] <Riddell> apachelogger, JontheEchidna: who knows about CIA bot and why it's notifying us of translations?
[22:35] <apachelogger> here I was, not reading the notification thinking it was about either things that make me famous or at least make me look like 18 again
[22:35] <apachelogger> yet it was just cia
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> it's announcing muon/libqapt commits. I thought we were filtering out l10n though
[22:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: supposedly the qapt/muon filters are too fuzzy
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> git seems to have broken the qapt/muon filters anyways
[22:36] <apachelogger> so whenver someone touches something like that it matches our bot rules
[22:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should be using module stuff sort things
[22:36] <apachelogger> probably requires some playing
[22:36] <apachelogger> also I am drunk
[22:36] <apachelogger> dont listen to me
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:36]  * apachelogger blames it on Riddell
[22:37] <apachelogger> we went home too early on saturday and yesterday I did not get no drink at all
[22:37] <apachelogger> well
[22:37] <apachelogger> except for the 5 beers @fosdem
[22:38] <Riddell> we were up until midnight drinking on saturday!  that's quite late enough for anyone with a conference starting at 9 the next day
[22:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I mentioned that beer deployment was successful?
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think I've fixed it
[22:38] <Riddell> thanks JontheEchidna 
[22:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also jelmer is a very nice guy, you should throw more beer at him at uds-o ;)
[22:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: I was hacking till 4 ;)
[22:39]  * apachelogger made some pretty nice improvements to qt vlc mobile
[22:40] <apachelogger> also the qt mobile ui is getting more defaultism as Qt is becoming available on so many platforms, which means more fame for me :D
[22:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: it actually was working on sunday ;)
[22:41] <apachelogger> kinda broke it doay
[22:42] <apachelogger> also I would like to get hold of dantti
[22:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: something we should consider for future Kubuntu Mobile?
[22:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: possibly
[22:51] <apachelogger> unless I get something mobile going with phonon
[22:52] <apachelogger> I mean, I really really want to make a good looking video player using qgraphisscene, so doing that with a more mobile ui wouldn't be too difficult
[22:52] <apachelogger> but who knows if I ever actually get to do it :)