[00:37] <kristian-aalborg> I have a few minor suggestions for Lubuntu - where's the proper place to post them?
[00:38] <MrChrisDruif> With the bugs as feature requests? Or just talk to the devs here...I'm not really sure
[00:39] <kristian-aalborg> neither
[00:39] <kristian-aalborg> it's only two things (on top of my head)
[00:40] <kristian-aalborg> 1 - Update-manager, Synaptic, Users and Groups, Additional Drivers --- stuff like that should be under "System Tools", not "Preferences"
[00:41] <kristian-aalborg> 2 - the program that runs the installer gui (ubiquity??) should be removed after install
[00:42] <kristian-aalborg> should I put it somewhere on ubuntuforums.org, perhaps?... I have an account there
[00:43] <kristian-aalborg> it's not that these things are ruining it for anyone - I just thought I'd add my two cents ;)
[00:47] <psyklown> i was wondering how i go abouts enabling software sources in 10.10?
[00:55] <psyklown> nvm :)
[01:05] <kristian-aalborg> phillw: ping
[01:08] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: I am about, but am busy in support with some one, is it anything urgent?
[01:09] <kristian-aalborg> not really - just though you had the insights as to where I should post the stuff above
[01:09] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[01:14] <JoeMaverickSett> kristian-aalborg: why not just edit the .desktop file of Update-manager, synaptic and others you want to be in System tools to "Category=System;"? ;D
[01:15] <kristian-aalborg> JoeMaverickSett: I did - but I think they should be like I wrote by default
[01:15] <kristian-aalborg> they are System Tools, imo
[01:16] <JoeMaverickSett> kristian-aalborg: hhmm, may be file a wishlist on launchpad then. if enough people likes it or if the dev think it should be. it *might* become default.
[01:24] <kristian-aalborg> JoeMaverickSett: do you consider these things "preferences" or "system tools"?
[01:57] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: you have an invite
[01:59] <kristian-aalborg> oh
[06:19] <bioterror> jmarsden, hop
[06:20]  * jmarsden hops on one leg.... and asks "why am I doing this?" :)
[06:20] <bioterror> :D
[06:20] <bioterror> hey, if we look at /usr/share/applications/jockey-gtk.desktop
[06:20] <bioterror> it says Categories=System;Settings;GTK;HardwareSettings;
[06:20] <bioterror> and then again I remember htop goes to System Tools or what was it
[06:21] <bioterror> Categories=ConsoleOnly;System;
[06:21] <bioterror> so could it be that jockey-gtk.desktop's Settings makes it go to the preferences
[06:21] <bioterror> I'm at work, so I dont have a lxde in hand
[06:22] <bioterror> ;Settings;
[06:23] <jmarsden> bioterror: Sounds right to me.  So we would need to make the code give priority to "System" if it is there, when right now (you think) it is giving priority to "Preferences"
[06:24] <bioterror> yep
[06:24] <jmarsden> Sounds very possible, if I find where the code is I will try it out.  Thanks.
[06:24] <bioterror> and someone who packaged that jockey-gtk (the add printe or what was it ;)
[06:24] <bioterror> put that Categories in it
[06:25] <bioterror> you can try to remove the ;Settings;
[06:29] <jmarsden> Well, sure but we want to fix it in LXDE or whatever, otherwise we need to repackage many many apps, which we do not have the time to do!  Better to fix it in the code that reads the Categories instead -- one change not 100 changes (I hope).
[06:29] <bioterror> you cant fix it in the code as it works as the Freedesktop.org wishes
[06:29] <bioterror> you know
[06:29] <bioterror> lxde read that Categories line
[06:30] <jmarsden> bioterror: Well, then why does GNOME put those same apps in System ? :)
[06:30] <bioterror> I dunno about gnome
[06:31] <jmarsden> Seems to me tehir code must use different priorities when reading the Categories... and that is "allowed", so...
[06:35] <bioterror> hard to say
[06:35] <bioterror> but the problem must lie in there
[06:36] <bioterror> synaptic shows
[06:36] <bioterror> Categories=PackageManager;GTK;System;Settings;
[06:37] <jmarsden> Agreed... I need to read that code :)
[06:38] <bioterror> (I took ssh session to my wife's laptop ;)
[06:38] <jmarsden> screen is handy for that.
[06:38] <bioterror> yeah, I'm always connected from my VPS to my homenetwork
[06:39] <bioterror> unless the connection cuts... which happens often.
[12:10] <ciberglo> Is it possible to run my Gnome's applications from inside LXDE ?
[12:11] <ciberglo> I.e.: Run my Gnome's gedit application with its already installed plugins, from inside LXDE; run my Gnome's Notes application from inside LXDE... etc. ?
[12:13] <MrChrisDruif> ciberglo: If you got multiple desktop environments, then you can use it across them all...
[12:14] <ciberglo> MrChrisDruif: Thank you to let me know. I've never used another desktop environment, and I'm going to use LXDE soon
[12:14] <MrChrisDruif> Alright :)
[12:22] <cousteau> is there a way to restrict the panels and desktop icons to a single X output?
[12:23] <cousteau> when I connect a second output, and place it right to the main output, the panel expands so that it's as wide as the 2 outputs
[12:23] <bioterror> you want it like in OS X
[12:24] <cousteau> I don't know how OS X is, so maybe
[12:24] <bioterror> I've never used lubuntu with dual display
[12:24] <cousteau> also, if the output on the right is higher than the one on the left, the interesting part of the panel isn't displayed on _any_ screen
[12:28] <ciberglo> cousteau: I don't know your answer, but it's an interesting question. Isn't there any material on google about "dual monitor on lxde" ?
[12:28] <cousteau> let me see
[12:28] <ciberglo> cousteau: Also, I'm not a bad guy. I could search google and help you, but I'm with a bad BAD BADD connection here
[12:29] <ciberglo> cousteau: I think that keywords are: dual monitor, dual display, dual desktop, ...
[12:30] <bioterror> could be related to Openbox
[12:30] <bioterror> as lxde is just blingbling on Openbox ,)
[12:32] <cousteau> found somehing on the forum... going to see if it works
[12:34] <cousteau> ...almost
[12:35] <cousteau> (now I got a 1024 px wide panel that didn't appear on _any_ monitor)
[12:37] <ciberglo> Oo
[12:38] <ciberglo> cousteau: this guy http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1094410.html    is saying that could install some applet from gnome to manage monitors. You could try that too
[12:38] <cousteau> ok, I actually don't care much about this, since I'm only going to use it in case I make a presentation
[12:38] <ciberglo> someting like this: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DisplayConfigGTK
[12:39] <cousteau> it's not a problem with the monitors, it's about the panels... but thanks anyway
[12:39] <cousteau> (I have xrandr, lxrandr and grandr)
[12:40] <ciberglo> Ok. Well, good luck than. I'm still not a LXDE user, but will become it soon
[12:41] <bioterror> ciberglo, I read your nick all the time "cybergigolo" :D
[12:42] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[12:43] <ciberglo> bioterror: auhauhuaha, get out dude! hauhauaha
[12:43] <bioterror> as soon as my workday is done, I'm not!
[12:43] <ciberglo> bioterror: Although it's not a chat channel (offtopic for this), just to finish the chat --> ciberglogoboy, haha
[12:44] <ciberglo> People, thanks for the help
[12:44] <ciberglo> I'm going now.
[12:44] <bioterror> see you later ;)
[12:47] <cousteau> ok, got tired of having to configure manually all this each time I plugged in a monitor, so I added keybindings for XF86Display -> `xrandr <weird configuration>` and S-XF86Display -> `xrandr --auto`
[12:48] <cousteau> (there's still the problem with the panels and the desktop icons, though... but it isn't really important)
[18:34] <fabio> i have a big problem with lubuntu
[18:34] <bioterror> what kind of
[18:34] <fabio> i am not able to hear anything
[18:34] <bioterror> open terminal
[18:34] <bioterror> and check alsamixer
[18:34] <fabio> the audiocard is correctly recognized
[18:34] <bioterror> if there's any MM
[18:34] <fabio> checked alsamixer
[18:34] <fabio> no MM is present
[18:34] <bioterror> so if you have something muted
[18:35] <bioterror> okay
[18:35] <fabio> other ideas?
[18:36] <bioterror> you've checked launchpad with your chipset?
[18:36] <fabio> no
[18:36] <fabio> but the audiocard is recognized..
[18:36] <fabio> i can get audio in input and register it with audacity
[18:42] <bioterror> fabio, any luck with the launchpad?
[18:43] <bioterror> :(
[19:00] <xh> hi! does anyone know how to edit the context menu that appears on right-click on the lubuntu desktop? who in fact manages the desktop? openbox?
[19:01] <mark76> PCManFM
[19:03] <xh> mark76: ok, so where is the pcmanfm's config file then?
[19:03] <xh> mark76: ~/.config/pcmanfm?
[19:04] <bioterror> .config/pcmanfm/lubuntu.conf has some
[19:04] <xh> mark76: but i can't see anything that resembles a menu config...
[19:05] <xh> mark76: ..does it mean there is a default config somewhere in /usr/share?
[19:05] <bioterror> /etc/xdg/pcmanfm/lubuntu.conf
[19:05] <mark76> There you go
[19:06] <xh> bioterror: can't see anything looking like a menu there either
[19:06] <bioterror> why you want to change it?
[19:07] <bioterror> if I may ask
[19:07] <xh> bioterror: the menu that appears on right-clicking the lubuntu desktop, ie the one with 'Applications|Desktop Settings|Window Managemenet Settings etc.
[19:08] <bioterror> not on my system
[19:09] <xh> bioterror: ..at the moment in the Applications menu there are only three items, i want to add more..
[19:09] <mark76> Did you switch to "use menu provided by window manager", bio?
[19:10] <xh> bioterror: probably i did
[19:10] <xh> mark76: do you happen to know where is this setting configured?
[19:11] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/menu.png
[19:11] <bioterror> sorry
[19:11] <bioterror> wrong :D
[19:11] <xh> mark76: sorry for mixing up the names
[19:11] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/menu.jpg
[19:11] <bioterror> that's correct :D
[19:12] <mark76> Don't look at the first image. Whatever you do :o
[19:12] <xh> mark76: i see, this is the ecosystem :)
[19:12] <bioterror> xh, is that the menu you're after?
[19:13] <bioterror> mark76, I fixed the first url too ;)
[19:13] <xh> bioterror: i guess so
[19:13] <mark76> There should be a menu app on the panel, xh
[19:14] <mark76> Though, really the options in the desktop menu should be available in the panel menu app
[19:14] <mark76> And vice versa
[19:15] <xh> mark76: aha, found it! thanks! but it does not seem to be useful, probably that is why i switched it to 'window-manager provided'; so the question is then, if i use the wm menu then how do i add items to the Application submenu?
[19:15] <bioterror> xh, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[19:15] <mark76> Install obmenu
[19:16] <xh> mark76: would that be the OpenBox menu?
[19:17] <mark76> No. It's an application for editing the openbox menu
[19:17] <xh> bioterror: the faq mentions /usr/share/applications/ and apparently it is not used in this case
[19:18] <mark76> You can find obmenu in Synaptic. If it's not already installed
[19:18] <bioterror> xh, you're not using lubuntu then
[19:19] <bioterror> xh sudo find / |grep .desktop
[19:19] <xh> mark76: i have installed it; funny that openbox would not use the launchers from /usr/share/applications/
[19:19] <mark76> Openbox uses the debian menu
[19:21] <bioterror> I'm using plain debian as server and I have /usr/share/applications/
[19:21] <mark76> Nah, Debian menu gets its source from elsewhere
[19:22] <mark76> Not sure where
[19:22] <mark76> You can see it if you switch to "use menu provided by window manager" in the Desktop prefs
[19:23] <xh> mark76: that is what i did; and i only have three items under Applications; according to http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch4.html the items are taken from /usr/share/menu/<package-name>
[19:24] <mark76> Odd
[19:25] <xh> mark76: and i seem to have over a hundred items under /usr/share/menu, yet only three are shown
[19:26] <mark76> Do you have debianmenu and xdgmenu installed?
[19:27] <mark76> Menu and Menu-xdg
[19:27] <xh> mark76: apparently not
[19:27] <mark76> Try installing them
[19:28] <xh> mark76: don't seem to be in the standard repos
[19:29] <xh> mark76: aha, found menu-xdg..
[19:29] <xh> mark76: also found this - http://sourceforge.net/projects/obmenugen/ - it is supposed to dynamically generate the menu
[19:29] <mark76> K
[19:37] <xh> thanks! i will play with it for a while..
[19:40] <mark76> Have fun :)
[19:45] <florin1> I am using ubuntu 1010. I created a dsl internet connection using the terminat (sudo pppoeconf). Aftef reeboot Network has been disappeared. How can I bring back the NetworkManager's interface? I didn't found am answer with Google)
[19:51] <Ascavasaion> Hello all :)  HOw do I change resolution of my lubuntu desktop?  It only has 1024 x 768, 800x600 and 640x480.  How do I get it to go higher than 1024x768.  I know it can because windows ran higher.  It can run 1152x768 and 12080xsomething in windows.  Any advice?
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> Is Alpha 2 out already?
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> Should be if it uses the same agenda as normal flavor :P
[21:25] <phillw> !paste
[21:26] <MrChrisDruif> Was that for me phillw?
[21:27] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: no it was to remind me of the link!
[21:27] <MrChrisDruif> :(
[21:28] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: so I could pass it onto Manuela :)
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh...paste.ubuntu.com?
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> But she can use Ubuntu One as well :)
[21:28] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: nope, the image area :)
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh....
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> But like I said...Ubuntu One O:-)
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> Or with Dropbox should work as well O:-)
[21:30] <MrChrisDruif> Just put it in the Public folder and copy public link