[00:21] <Gumby> hi all.  I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to get X to use the proper display size.  X seems to be able to detect my LCD is capable of 1920x1080 however when I choose this resolution the right of my screen and bottom of the  screen are actually off the physical display and I cant see that area.  Trying to figure out how to fix this
[00:22] <Gumby> using nvidia 330m gpu and nouveau obviously
[00:35] <coz_> Gumby,   have you done  recent updates?
[00:35] <coz_> Gumby,   I believe nvidia-common has been removed and nvidia is not working correctly
[01:08] <Gumby> coz_,  sorry for the slow reply.  yes, I have.  this is why I am using nouveau and not the nvidia drivers.
[01:08] <coz_> ah ok
[01:08] <coz_> Gumby,   I havent done the updates  for that reason,,, so I have no solutions around the resolution with nouveau
[01:09] <Gumby> X seems to think my res is 2048x1536.
[01:12] <Gumby> however no matter what res I choose, the screen extends off of the left and bottom of the LCD.
[01:12] <Gumby> sorry, right and bottom
[01:53] <Lusoso> hey. how r u
[01:54] <Lusoso> at this time , does Xorg show any video boosts  to existing cards?
[01:57] <coz_> Lusoso,   I dont think I completely understand
[01:57] <Lusoso> Natty Warhog has a new XORG version. A significant jump.
[01:58] <coz_> ok
[01:58] <Lusoso> of the cards that still work, have any shown noticeable eye candy?
[01:59] <coz_> Lusoso,  if you mean ..the cards that work ...do they work with any of the 'eyecandy"  stuff like compiz  then  yes
[01:59] <Lusoso> some candy is hot. as in you can't work fast enough to not suffer from a fireball candy
[01:59] <Lusoso> i guess i mean performance
[01:59] <coz_> oh
[02:00] <coz_> Lusoso,  well that would be the drivers for the cards  and the eyecandy applications  as far as performance goes ...yes?
[02:00] <Gumby> Natty Warhog?
[02:00] <coz_> depending on the capabilities of the card itself
[02:01] <coz_> oh lol I just saw that
[02:01] <Lusoso> yes. i really hope there is a boost to it
[02:01] <coz_> lucent_,  you mean natty narwhoi
[02:01] <Gumby> narwhal
[02:01] <Gumby> hehe
[02:01] <Lusoso> natty also uses that new linux patch for extra speed
[02:01] <coz_> Lusoso,  well as far as I understand you then again i would suggest that the video driver and the eyecandy applications are going to be more responsible for performance
[02:02] <coz_> narwhal   I mean
[02:02] <Lusoso> Natty warhog
[02:02] <bazhang> that's not the name
[02:02] <Lusoso> sorry i never was taught about narwhals
[02:03] <coz_> lucent_,  natty narwhal   ..names start with the same letters
[02:03] <coz_> "N"
[02:03] <Gumby> Lusoso, I think you need to do a bit more research
[02:03] <Lusoso> Nothing New. <- like that
[02:03] <Lusoso> Gumby, the information is already out there.
[02:03] <Gumby> The next release is Natty Narwhal.  Warty Warthog was an old release
[02:03] <gpc> something like Lusoso lies
[02:03] <coz_> Lusoso,  are you actually running 11.04 now?
[02:03] <gpc> see the two L's
[02:03] <Lusoso> according to mine it says so
[02:04] <Gumby> Lusoso, where does it say this?
[02:04] <coz_> Lusoso,   which version are you running at this moment?
[02:04] <Gumby> cat /etc/lsb-release
[02:04] <Lusoso> oh it has been changed
[02:04] <coz_> or   lsb_release -a
[02:04] <Lusoso> for a while i guess we really had a About issue where 10.10 said 11.
[02:04] <rww> did that get fixed? I haven't checked
[02:05] <Lusoso> on mine it shows 10.10 now.
[02:05] <coz_> ok
[02:05] <rww> woot
[02:05] <bazhang> rww, yes fixed
[02:05] <rww> yeah, I just found and checked LP. am glad that got sorted out.
[02:16] <BreetaiZentradi> I all. I have an Acer Aspire 4530 with Nvidia GeForce 9100M video card. When I run the natty-alpha-2 . My screen is mirrored multiple times on the display, anyone have any idea how to get around this?
[02:17] <Lusoso> are you using an external monitor
[02:19] <BreetaiZentradi> Lusoso: No using the built in display
[02:20] <Lusoso> have you tried a live Cd
[02:22] <BreetaiZentradi> Yes, I have tried Ubuntu and Xubuntu, I have installed off of a live CD and from an alternative CD. It does not matter, I still end up with the display issue.
[02:22] <Lusoso> you booted from a live cd
[02:22] <Lusoso> have you tried
[02:26] <BreetaiZentradi> I have also booted from a USB and installed to the hard drive. I have tried it in several other computers Like a Dell OptiPlex 280 (intel graphics) and it works fine in everything but the Aspire 4530
[02:29]  * Gumby is also having X issues.  
[02:29] <Gumby> screen is displaying off the right and bottom of LCD
[02:30] <Gumby> I think X thinks that the native res is 2048x1536 when it should be 1920x1080
[02:32] <Lusoso> i will check the hotkey for the screen resolution and or monitor
[02:32] <Lusoso> but it may be different in 11.04
[02:33] <Lusoso> toggle maximization state alt f-10. that is probably not zoom.
[02:33] <Lusoso> um
[02:35] <Lusoso> Mod4+D hides all normal windows and sets focus to desktop
[02:36] <Lusoso> does this mirror effect prevent you from logging in?
[02:36] <Lusoso> you might be able to set auto-login if you reinstall. then it is just a matter of pressing the hotkey
[04:40] <Severian> Howdy.  I installed using the alternate installer of Alpha-2.  After booting, I get a grub menu, and then get dumped to an initramfs prompt.  I have been looking for some info on what to do next, but have not found anything.  Can someone suggest something?
[06:36] <Guest97156> how to register for a nickname here
[06:36] <rww> ubottu: tell Guest97156 about register
[06:48] <gr8Q> if i log again here will my password be asked
[06:51] <gr8Q> Before i did upgrade to natty ive used to have default login sounds and since then i have no sound at all
[06:56] <shawn146> hi
[06:56] <devkorcvince> currently installing natty A2 on vbox inside my maverick and it has a bug on the installer not really a good alpha2 start
[06:56] <shawn146> are we on 11.4 now?
[06:56] <shawn146> passed 10.10?
[07:33] <devkorcvince> just send a report on an installer bug on amd64 machine? how to get arround it?
[07:58] <Machtin> hey guys.. i tried updating from 10.10 to 11.04 because I thought it might fix my random system freezes, turns out it didn't.
[07:58] <Machtin> however, now.. when i enter my passphrase for luks-decrypt, I have to enter it with american keyboard-layout
[07:59] <Machtin> how can i set the tty or whatever to my preferred layout? (works after logging into kde)
[08:36] <tsu> hey
[08:37] <tsu> can any1 help me with my ubuntu installation
[08:37] <tsu> I downloaded natty 11.04 alpha2 amd64 and installed it on my system
[08:38] <tsu> I have a notebook
[08:38] <tsu> 4gb ddr3 ram intel core I3
[08:38] <tsu> and ati hd5470
[08:39] <hifi> ok
[08:46] <leagris> Hello, please someone can look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/706803 as it is a real usability issue as I strongly depend on the ezoom compiz feature
[08:56] <leagris> Dose someone else here can confirm bug 706803, or test it. It really need momentum as it appeared 3weeks ago and is not fixed. I can't imagine 11.04 coming out with such problem.
[12:28] <srk9> Does anyone know where I can find the Ubuntu 11.04 Alpha 1 kernel .config online?
[12:32] <hifi> the diff tar package is downloadable
[12:33] <hifi> oh, not really
[12:33] <hifi> only the full source it seems
[12:41] <juk> did they do something to the natty's grub that might the reason it won't boot from usb?
[12:42] <leagris> Dose someone else here can confirm bug 706803, or test it. It really need momentum as it appeared 3weeks ago and is not fixed. I can't imagine 11.04 coming out with such problem.
[12:47] <sagaci> i would but i've been experiencing kernel panics
[12:47] <juk> leagris: are you using unity?
[12:48] <juk> leagris: i have symbols from matrix at first boot, so i have boot twice after each powerdown
[12:49] <juk> i can imagine it will come out anyway fixed
[14:27] <coz_> good day all
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:36] <coz_> charlie-tca,  hey guy
[14:49] <DJKorbit> hi
[14:57] <DJKorbit> anyone here involved in unity?
[15:00] <DJKorbit> i'm trying to fix a bug but i'd like some help on where to start
[15:49] <leagris> Using gnome classic desktop (no unity for radeon 9200) Dose someone else here can confirm bug 706803, or test it? It really need momentum as it appeared 3weeks ago and is not fixed. I can't imagine 11.04 coming out with such problem.
[17:33] <nemo> new fun bit of natty behaviour.  I look back at my laptop and it appears to have hung on the "checking" part of gnome screensaver password
[17:33] <nemo> could be fingerprint gui though.
[17:34] <nemo> yep. killing the helper fixed
[17:54] <galamar> hello
[18:06] <galamar> how can i resolve this problem i am having with apt-get i think i need to remove repos maybe?   http://pastie.org/1537720
[18:06] <galamar> but i dont know how to remove repos
[18:09] <galamar> and im more than happy to just read a wiki on how to do that i just suck at finding wikis
[20:33] <trijntje_natty> Hi all, Jocky is giving this error when I try to enable the driver for my Ati:
[20:34] <trijntje_natty> SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[20:35] <trijntje_natty> but I dont have any broken packages (at least thats what apt says). Is there any way to fix this?
[20:37] <Daekdroom> trijntje_natty, as far as I know, the fglrx packages themselves are broken
[20:39] <trijntje_natty> yeah, but I would expect jockey to say 'there is no ...' if that were the case
[20:39] <Daekdroom> Once the ubuntu version is released, such breakage is highly unlikely to happen
[20:39] <trijntje_natty> plus, how am I to find out if the fglrx packages are fixed when I cant test that with jockey
[20:40] <Daekdroom> You're probably gonna be able to install them once they're fixed.
[20:40] <Daekdroom> If you can't, that means they're still broken
[20:41] <trijntje_natty> Daekdroom, ok cool, then ill wait for that, thanks
[20:41] <trijntje_natty> Its no big deal, i'm just running natty from a spare harddisk out of curiosity.
[22:55] <HotrootsoupTitan> Hey
[22:55] <HotrootsoupTitan> Having some bad problems with my Natty install
[22:56] <HotrootsoupTitan> Problem being it wont install
[22:58] <HotrootsoupTitan> Not that this is the room for that or anything...
[22:59]  * nemo is still waiting for some useful info
[22:59] <HotrootsoupTitan> Alright
[22:59] <HotrootsoupTitan> I've had a plethora of problems with Natty, even though the disk checks out as good
[22:59] <nemo> soooo. disc errors?
[23:00] <HotrootsoupTitan> The only way I can even get in to live, or install mode is by using the 2nd acessability feature
[23:00] <HotrootsoupTitan> I've managed to install it once, but it then was ruined after installing nvidia drivers and all the ubuntu updates
[23:00] <nemo> HotrootsoupTitan: often going to advanced options and disabling acpi/apic and setting "free software drivers only" (if on an nvidia card) can be helpful
[23:00] <nemo> to get the installer booting
[23:01] <nemo> oh, and delete quiet and splash so you can see how far it gets and note what the last error was, if any
[23:01] <HotrootsoupTitan> Well I'm in live mode now, but while installing it crashes
[23:01] <HotrootsoupTitan> Half the time it says my CD/Drive/HD might be bad, the others it just kinda crashes
[23:01] <nemo> it might be...
[23:01] <nemo> or your disc
[23:02] <nemo> have you run disc check already?
[23:02] <nemo> if you remove quiet and splash, you might see I/O errors on boot
[23:02] <HotrootsoupTitan> Yeah, the MD5 on the original ISO, and disc check twice
[23:02] <nemo> one more reason to try that (+ the ACPI stuff)
[23:02] <HotrootsoupTitan> I've been trying the accessability features
[23:02] <HotrootsoupTitan> Or whatever they are called, the F6 ones
[23:02] <nemo> I had IO errors w/ my portable USB cdrom drive, but luckily I didn't actually need the entire CD at the time
[23:03] <HotrootsoupTitan> Yeah, I get IO errors to
[23:03] <nemo> HotrootsoupTitan: what kind of crash. like, X11 dies, locks up, does ssh and ping work?
[23:03] <HotrootsoupTitan> The installer gives me a crash message, then takes me back to live mode
[23:03] <nemo> HotrootsoupTitan: might want to try a flash drive instead, if your computer supports flash boot
[23:03] <HotrootsoupTitan> In live mode right now
[23:03] <nemo> ok. what's the crash message
[23:03] <nemo> pulling teeth here
[23:03] <HotrootsoupTitan> I'm not sure if it does, I'll try
[23:03] <HotrootsoupTitan> The crash message varies
[23:03] <nemo> FYI, that's probably what you should mention on joining room, just paste the message :)
[23:03] <nemo> or messages
[23:04] <nemo> heck. I didn't even know it was the installer until we had this looooong back and forth
[23:04] <HotrootsoupTitan> Yeah, its my first time doing all this
[23:04] <nemo> in general, anything more than "won't install" is helpful to get more responses
[23:04] <HotrootsoupTitan> When I got Natty to be a bug tester, I kinda hoped the bugs would be after install, lol
[23:05] <HotrootsoupTitan> Alright, I'll take a screenie of my next install attempt
[23:05] <nemo> I/O errors suggest to me a bad drive though
[23:05] <HotrootsoupTitan> Would be LSHW be useful?
[23:05] <nemo> why screenshot?
[23:05] <nemo> you don't have internet while on live CD?
[23:05] <nemo> just pastebin that stuff
[23:05] <HotrootsoupTitan> Oh, right
[23:05] <nemo> heck. might want to pastebin bottom bit of dmesg and xsession errors
[23:05] <HotrootsoupTitan> Its a GUI error message though, I don't think its copy/pasteable
[23:05] <nemo> those two might be
[23:05] <Pici> Anyone else experiencing weird input problems with gnome-terminal?
[23:06] <nemo> heck, ideally you'd be on here while signed on from the live CD
[23:06] <HotrootsoupTitan> True
[23:06] <HotrootsoupTitan> I'll just report it like that
[23:06] <nemo> Pici: personally, my only problem was chrome disappearing
[23:06] <HotrootsoupTitan> Is my LSHW necessary?
[23:06] <nemo> even after I switched to metacity due to that new window manager being so annoying
[23:06] <HotrootsoupTitan> I have that up on pastebin
[23:06] <Pici> Hrm.  I'm experimenting using xfce4-terminal to see if the issue is local or with the host I'm connecting to.
[23:06] <nemo> HotrootsoupTitan: guess it couldn't hurt, dunno
[23:07] <HotrootsoupTitan> http://pastebin.com/1i1vmPHE
[23:07] <HotrootsoupTitan> Alright, going to attempt install again
[23:07] <nemo> if unity wasn't so crashy and insistent on placing windows half-offscreen I might have tried putting up with it for more than 15 minutes
[23:07] <HotrootsoupTitan> I am digging the new top-bar though
[23:07] <nemo> 1) crashy compiz 2) no obvious way to disable the heavy heavy shadows that slowed down all my windows on the intel card 3) placing windows off-screen
[23:08] <HotrootsoupTitan> I like the email/chat thing, and all that
[23:08] <nemo> HotrootsoupTitan: eh. on laptops I've always rearranged things on one bar.
[23:08] <nemo> HotrootsoupTitan: if I want that lil' unity bar there are some gnome projects out there for that kinda thing already
[23:08] <HotrootsoupTitan> I've notice Natty is slow on the internal graphics card...
[23:09] <HotrootsoupTitan> Yeah, I know, but I do kinda like it
[23:09] <HotrootsoupTitan> That its right built in and stuff
[23:09] <nemo> performance went way up after I switched to metacity
[23:09] <nemo> what irritates me is I used to get decent performance with a minimal compiz
[23:10] <nemo> basically, I just want to have gaussian blur on translucent gnome terminals, and no shadows or other silliness
[23:10] <nemo> is weird, is like unity has infected compiz or something, though
[23:13] <HotrootsoupTitan> About to click install now...
[23:14] <HotrootsoupTitan> Just got an IO error
[23:14] <HotrootsoupTitan> Errno 5
[23:15] <HotrootsoupTitan> I'm going to try to install on my 40 GB instead of my 80
[23:15] <HotrootsoupTitan> Right after I clicked finish on the personal info part to...
[23:16] <genii-around> Are there md5 sums for daily builds?
[23:16] <HotrootsoupTitan> Yeah, I think so
[23:17] <nemo> HotrootsoupTitan: anything in dmesg / xsession errors?
[23:17] <HotrootsoupTitan> Don't think so, it didn't say anything. Is there some place I should check?
[23:17] <nemo> in those 2 files?
[23:17] <nemo> er
[23:17] <nemo> 1 file, 1 program output
[23:19] <HotrootsoupTitan> Where are they located?
[23:21] <nemo> HotrootsoupTitan: wow, you're new to linux I take it
[23:21] <nemo> starting with a beta
[23:21] <nemo> living dangerously I see
[23:23] <Daekdroom> The first time I used linux it was Ubuntu 7.10 RC
[23:24] <nemo> hm
[23:24] <nemo> I was going to answer him, just had to get some work stuff done
[23:24] <nemo> oh well
[23:25] <nemo> Daekdroom: Redhat 3 personally :)
[23:31] <nemo> had a buddy who'd been hired to work on their website.  just looked at it in the way-back machine. wow. websites sucked back then :)