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LLStarksand backporting is about to become a nightmare: http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/02/07/firefox-4-5-6-and-7-to-be-released-before-the-end-of-2011/17:27
LLStarksaside from the lack of a concurrent firefox-next branch, this is literally out of nowhere.17:28
chrisccoulsonLLStarks, that is exactly why we don't want extensions in the archive ;)17:51
LLStarksbe gone with the lot of them!17:52
LLStarkseven a best-in-class add-on like abp is just another thing we'd need to worry about17:53
chrisccoulsonwell, that's gone already ;)17:53
* micahg is conflicted http://is.gd/W7AqLB18:01
LLStarks4.0 needs to come out first18:06
chrisccoulsonmicahg, yeah ;)18:08
chrisccoulsonwe need to speed up efforts to get xulrunner out of main18:09
chrisccoulsoni don't want natty to release with it still in main ;)18:09
micahgchrisccoulson: yep, what's left, couchdb?18:09
chrisccoulsonmicahg - couchdb, swt-gtk and icedtea-plugin18:09
chrisccoulsonicedtea-plugin is easy to resolve, we just build it against a firefox SDK18:10
* micahg doesn't think couch should be in main18:10
micahgit's a disaster18:10
chrisccoulsonheh18:10
chrisccoulsonfor couchdb though, we can provide a separate libmozjs, decoupled from firefox releases18:10
chrisccoulsonfor swt-gtk, i've got no idea what to do18:10
micahgchrisccoulson: can't we just ship a copy of the xul headers in icedtea-plugin or will that break later?18:11
chrisccoulsoni can't find anybody who cares about swt-gtk, yet the only thing keeping it in main is a server package18:11
chrisccoulsonmicahg - icedtea uses xpcom, so it needs a full SDK to build against18:11
chrisccoulsonbut it should be building against firefox anyway18:11
micahgchrisccoulson: indeed, ok, I'll have to continue this later18:12
chrisccoulsoni'm tempted to kill the browser part of swt-gtk entirely, and just drop tuxguitar, vuze etc18:12
chrisccoulsonis eclipse using it too?18:13
micahgchrisccoulson: yeah, but that's switching to webkit mostly for 3.718:13
micahgI might be able to get it ported to webkit for 3.6, but it still uses xul as a fallback18:13
chrisccoulsonm_conley, did you resolve your virtualbox issue yet?18:49
chrisccoulsonyou can probably start the old kernel until it's resolved18:49
m_conleychrisccoulson: hey - I've gotten absorbed in another issue.  I was just going to wait for the fix to manifest in the packages.18:49
m_conleychrisccoulson: I'm checking out Thunderbird integration with the Messaging Menu.  Some good work has been done there - just needs to be ported to C++18:50
chrisccoulsonm_conley, oh, are you looking at the extension that exists already?18:50
m_conleychrisccoulson: yep18:50
chrisccoulsonyeah, i think we pretty much need to rewrite that (from the last time i looked) :/18:50
m_conleychrisccoulson: and it works alright - but it'll need quite a bit of love to massage it into core.18:51
chrisccoulsonm_conley, how do people feel about me shipping globalmenu-extension by default with thunderbird?18:51
chrisccoulsondo you think it's ready? i'd like to get people testing it soon ;)18:52
m_conleychrisccoulson: Good question - lets ask in #maildev and see what davida thinks18:52
micahgchrisccoulson: does it do anything if unity isn't installed?18:52
micahgor running18:52
davida_i'm here18:52
chrisccoulsonhi davida_, how are you?18:53
m_conleydavida_: oh, hey - chrisccoulson was wondering if he might start shipping globalmenu-extension by default with Thunderbird to help with testing.18:53
chrisccoulsonmicahg - it's inert if unity isn't running (it falls back to its own menus)18:53
davida_are we talking about the default ubuntu distro, or the mozilla build?18:53
chrisccoulsondavida_, it would just be with the ubuntu build18:54
m_conleyI think just the Ubuntu distro - correct, chrisccoulson?18:54
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's right18:54
davida_(for now, right?  assuming it's good, we'd want that upstreamed, right?)18:54
m_conleydavida_: correct - I think this is just to get it to a wider audience, to find/iron out any big bugs.18:55
m_conleyand then I think we'll start migrating to core.18:55
chrisccoulsondavida_, yeah, the plan is to work on getting it in to core, but it's timed badly with the firefox release schedule18:55
davida_in general, I'm fine with it, assuming the experience is likely to be much better.18:55
davida_oh, you're asking me about TB only, though, right?18:56
m_conleydavida_: correct.18:56
chrisccoulsondavida_, yeah, just tbird for now18:56
davida_sorry, another stupid q- how would this end up being deployed, as a security/almost-automatic update?18:57
davida_have you run it through whatever beta/testing scenarios you usually use?18:58
chrisccoulsondavida_, it would only be deployed to our development release at the moment18:58
chrisccoulsonso, people running it are all alpha testers anyway. it's not the sort of thing we'd deploy as a stable update18:58
davida_no objection, then, definitely not, at least from me.18:58
chrisccoulsonexcellent, thanks18:59
davida_it might be good to get clarkbw or andreasn1 to look at it from the UI/UX POV, if they haven't already18:59
ftadpm, still here?18:59
m_conleydavida_: ok, noted.  I'll get in touch.19:00
ftadpm, looking at bug 710591, i wonder if what i'm doing right now would be useful once this is fixed19:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 710591 in launchpad "Ubuntu upstream translation imports overwrite Ubuntu translations" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71059119:00
chrisccoulsonm_conley, davida_ - thanks19:01
davida_chrisccoulson: np, i'm happy to see this thing moving along!19:01
m_conleyditto.  davida_:  there's also been good work done on Messaging Menu integration:  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/indicators-for-thunderb-223374/19:03
m_conleydavida_: as a demo, it's quite nice.  The code needs some re-writing to prepare it for core, though.  Still - the functionality is nice.  When this is done, the UI is going to be pretty slick.19:04
davida_sweet19:04
dpmhey fta, I'm not sure. I've been talking to henninge and they are planning to have a fix for it in the LP rollout this week. I think we'll have to check out whether the behaviour is the expected then19:07
ftadpm, i guess the hours i've spent fighting this bug are a pure loss then19:10
ftadpm, the merge proposed by danilos can't work as it's impossible to set a string to its upstream value once it diverged in lp19:12
ftadpm, but i discovered that after writing all the code :P19:12
dpmfta, :( afaik (at least for Ubuntu it was like this before the bug), you can set a string to its upstream value by selecting the upstream value. Once you've done that, that message "tracks" upstream19:13
dpmbut chromium is slightly different, as there is no Ubuntu package open for translation19:14
ftadpm, not my fault, it's a launchpad limitation19:14
dpmI'm not saying it's anyone's fault, just describing the situation19:15
dpmI wished other packages had translations as well maintained as chromium19:15
ftadpm, i guess i can drop some restrictions in my code once lp is able to feed me the proper strings. For now, if lp gives me a translation which is the same as the one i get from upstream, i reject it if i received another version in the past (from lp)19:27
ftadpm, the reason i had to do that is that translations don't stick, lp keeps overwriting them with the upstream ones. i tried to re-inject them twice, they don't stick for more than 1 day19:28
micahgerr, Firefox, xulrunner, and Thunderbird get delayed but Seamonkey still tomorrow21:11
micahgyay21:11
chrisccoulsonoh ? interesting21:13
chrisccoulsoni think they're all ready to go though aren't they?21:13
micahgchrisccoulson: 1.9.1 will go out tomorrow21:13
micahg1.9.2 is being respun21:13
chrisccoulsonoh? that's not what i wanted to hear ;)21:14
chrisccoulsonoh, yes21:14
chrisccoulsonjust seen now21:14
micahgso, it means I still have to rush to test Seamonkey tonight :)21:14
chrisccoulsonthat sucks. that's my evening planned then ;)21:15
micahgchrisccoulson: you could do it in the morning ;)21:15
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