[00:31] <ball> brb
[02:20] <ball> Ah poo.  I was watching Doctor who and YouTube only seems to have the first half of Cave of Skulls.
[02:25] <ball> I'll have to buy it on DVD
[02:40] <directhex> cave of skulls?
[02:41] <directhex> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 353M 2007-06-10 06:46 /data/Media/Video/Series/Doctor Who/01 - William Hartnell/Season 01/Doctor Who 01x01 An Unearthly Child/Doctor Who 01x01 The Cave of Skulls [Part 2].avi
[02:47] <Azelphur> ball: http://pastebin.com/cKM8j7nn :D
[02:54] <ball> Nice.
[03:03] <ball> YES!  Ubuntu appears to be booting.
[03:03] <terran> :O
[03:03] <terran> Ubuntu? BOOTING?
[03:03] <terran> On a COMPUTER?!
[03:03]  * ball nods
[03:03] <ball> Took me all day.
[03:04] <maco> anyone done the freebsd trick and put ubuntu on a toaster yet?
[03:05] <ball> maco: That was NetBSD
[03:06] <maco> whoops
[03:07] <ball> Pants. Now I can't find the checkbox I'm looking for.
[03:09] <ball> There's supposed to be a checkbox that lets me share a wireless connection to computers on a wired network
[07:43] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:43]  * AlanBell waves http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ about
[07:51] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:57] <AlanBell> MooDoo: http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[07:57] <AlanBell> you know you want to
[08:00] <MooDoo> AlanBell: darn you :)  done.
[08:08] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: morning
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[08:29] <dutchie> AlanBell: can you not use the data off launchpad for the map?
[08:34] <dwatkins> Good morning all
[08:45] <MooDoo> morning dwatkins
[08:45]  * dwatkins looks at ethernet shields for the Arduino and wonders about IPv6
[08:46] <daubers> Morning
[08:48] <DJones> Morning all
[09:08] <DJones> AlanBell: Seem to be getting a fair few people on the interactive map now
[09:18] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:19] <MooDoo> morning
[09:30] <JamesTait> Hello, $NAME! Happy $DAY_OF_WEEK!
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HelloInsertNameHere
[09:36]  * tugrik grins at JamesTait 
[09:39] <JamesTait> What can I say? I got bored with "Morning all! every day.
[09:40] <DJones> Aww, that spoils it
[09:46] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:48] <nigelb> morning folks
[09:49] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: Having fun post debian release? ;)
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: all sources.lists contained "lenny" \o/
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: so no broken build chroots
[09:53] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: WIN \O/
[10:00] <popey> Morning!
[10:02] <dwatkins> yo popey
[10:03] <nigelb> hey popey
[10:03] <bigcalm> Morning kids :)
[10:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:17] <bigcalm> Hi czajkowski :)
[10:17] <DJones> Morning czajkowski
[10:17] <czajkowski> hows you bigcalm
[10:31] <livingdaylight> greyday
[10:31] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: windy here
[10:32] <livingdaylight> yes, and wet
[10:33] <livingdaylight> anyone know what an param file is?
[10:34] <livingdaylight> http://www.renegadehealth.com/ghd/blog/ in Chrome is throwing up embed param file: missing when I try to play the video
[10:38] <DJones> livingdaylight: Don't know what the file is, but the site works fine for me in Chrome on Windows, the video plays with no problem
[10:38] <popey> ditto
[10:38] <livingdaylight> DJones, thanks... maybe i should add that I'm using Chrome on Ubuntu
[10:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: YGM 8-)
[10:39] <DJones> livingdaylight: I was assuming that :)
[10:39] <livingdaylight> just opened FF and it seems to be working now. I don't know what is up with my chrome
[10:39] <livingdaylight> DJones, :)
[10:40] <popey> \o/
[10:41] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: YHM
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[10:43]  * bigcalm throws 155 quid at a new tax disc
[10:44] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: thanks for that, something to look forward to!
[10:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Indeed - I had completely forgotten about it until AlanBell reminded me on our way back on the tube after beer and curry.
[10:46] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:48] <popey> hi
[10:48]  * DJones should pinch the nick "silver fox" because of all his gray hair
[10:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> very amusing crawling by MS: https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/statuses/34564036225925120
[10:49] <s-fox> Hi popey ,  how are you doing?
[10:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I used to work with a bloke we nicknamed the silver-fox, and another we called the Italian Swordsman.
[10:49] <s-fox> Interesting
[10:49] <s-fox> =)
[10:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hello ivanka - Good to meet you last week.
[10:51] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I can guess the reason for the silve fox nick, but don't want to contemplate the why
[10:51] <popey> s-fox: tickety boo!
[10:51] <DJones> why of the other one
[10:51] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:51] <X3N> how did the opensource expo go?
[10:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: yes. Don't go there. Just use your imagination. ;-)
[10:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> X3N: Do you mean the cloud expo?
[10:51] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I'd rather not thanks
[10:51]  * s-fox now follows TheOpenSourcerer on twitter
[10:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o/
[10:52] <X3N> TheOpenSourcerer: so it was mainly cloud stuff?
[10:52]  * TheOpenSourcerer now follows s-fox in twitter
[10:53] <s-fox> Yay
[10:53] <s-fox> =)
[10:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> X3N: Yep.
[10:53] <s-fox> Is anyone else on twitter in here that I should be following?  I'm terrible for finding people ;)  lol
[10:54]  * screen-x is on twitter, but never tweets.. 
[10:54] <DJones> screen-x: Same here
[10:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> We were on the .org pavilion. The show itself though was rather quiet... I think a lot of visitors came for the presentations rather than the exhibition.
[10:55] <brobostigon> mtr, cheers popey :)
[10:55] <popey> np
[10:56] <screen-x> what's the role of fe80 ipv6 addresses, as there are enough addresses for everything to have a public address?
[10:57] <screen-x> I thought it might be just for auto conf, if no router is present, but when I isntalled radvd, it required my ethernet interface to have an fe80/link local address.
[10:57] <DJones> s-fox: This one is probably worth following http://twitter.com/#!/uupc
[10:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> s-fox: That is a *lot* of custard... http://serial-coder.co.uk/blog/2011/01/sunday-night-cake/
[10:58] <s-fox> lol TheOpenSourcerer ,  I was very very ill and I wanted something to cheer me up ;)
[10:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> That'd work :-D
[10:59] <s-fox> Thanks for the link DJones  :)
[10:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> or kill you completely.
[10:59] <popey> hmm, ssh to my server just hangs
[10:59] <s-fox> kill or cure is the best way TheOpenSourcerer
[10:59] <popey> i can ping it but ssh just sits there
[11:00] <DJones> s-fox: That looks wonderful, the sort of thing for a cold day
[11:00] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563793/
[11:00] <popey> suggestions?
[11:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Tried from a different client machine?
[11:01] <popey> ah, good point
[11:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just a thought.
[11:01] <screen-x> popey: do you have another session on that machine, where you can read auth.log from?
[11:01] <popey> same from another machine
[11:01] <popey> no screen-x
[11:01] <popey> its at home I am at work
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <popey> I was ssh'ed into it from putty on windows last night
[11:02] <s-fox> o/ davmor2
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning
[11:03] <popey> it had a pvmove running overnight, and now I just can't get to it at all, but like I say, ping works
[11:03] <popey> ooo, just remembered it has webmin
[11:03] <davmor2> no czajkowski I see to busy scoffing waffles
[11:03] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[11:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: http://fixunix.com/ssh/74058-ssh-hang-after-ssh2_msg_kexinit-sent.html (Talk of MTU)
[11:05] <popey> hmmm
[11:05] <popey> guess I'll just have to wait till I get home
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.security.ssh/browse_thread/thread/996059b8cae76932?pli=1 Discussion about putty and key formats...
[11:06]  * s-fox adds self to this - http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we 
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm - The page at http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ says: Please fill all the required fields! (They are)
[11:10] <popey> #blamebell
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> #blamealan
[11:11] <s-fox> I added myself, but can't see a pin :(
[11:11] <s-fox> #blamebell
[11:12]  * s-fox tries again
[11:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had to click the "Place your pin link" first. But 1. You can't place it as it isn't there yet. 2. It is not a "required field"
[11:13] <s-fox> How do you place the pin? Just click on the map?
[11:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah - I seem to have covered AlanBell 's pin completely.
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: you're that big? :P
[11:13]  * brobostigon crosses his fingers, major updates to debian sid,
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[11:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[11:14] <s-fox> "Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!"
[11:14] <s-fox> :(
[11:14] <gord> what are you supposed to put in the Description field?
[11:15] <popey> I AM GOD!
[11:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> gord: A description perhaps?
[11:15] <popey> ^ that
[11:15] <gord> a description of what precisely?
[11:15]  * s-fox just copied twitter about me bit, nice and short ;)
[11:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> gord: erm you probably.
[11:16] <gord> oh really? don't need another place that has a description of me that will become outdated fast ;) will just link to launchpad
[11:16] <nigelb> gord: just use javascript to pull from launchpad api :p
[11:16] <s-fox> *sigh, give up.  Broken :(
[11:16] <nigelb> s-fox: #blamealan ;)
[11:17] <nigelb> Only there are like 3 alans in here
[11:17] <davmor2> popey: It's Elvis people worship I know it might be hard for you to distinguish between the 2 but Elvis is the dead one ;)  #popey_is_mortal_after_all
[11:18] <nigelb> davmor2: hahahahaha, good one
[11:18] <czajkowski> davmor2: eh no in Brussels in hotel going through mail
[11:18] <czajkowski> I am all waffled out
[11:19] <davmor2> popey: sorry I couldn't resist :D
[11:19]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski then blames her for virgin's area wide internet issues :P
[11:20]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[11:20]  * MooDoo waits for his turn with open arms.....oi czajkowski 
[11:21]  * davmor2 races over and hugs MooDoo 
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: that'll do :)
[11:21]  * TheOpenSourcerer shuts up and runs away to get moar coffee (and possibly a biscuit or two)
[11:21]  * czajkowski hugs TheOpenSourcerer 
[11:22]  * screen-x adds himself to the map
[11:22] <daubers> Ooooh biscuits would be good
[11:22] <screen-x> \o/ biscuits
[11:22] <screen-x> and hi daubers :)
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2 digestives :-D
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: How was Belgium?
[11:24] <czajkowski> pretty good
[11:24] <czajkowski> some great talks
[11:25] <czajkowski> met a lotta people I talk to via twitter so was good to put face to names tbh
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: "Belgium, man" - http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Belgium
[11:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Watch Ireland nearly lose in Rome?
[11:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[11:25] <czajkowski> dear gods I was in a talk and having to get scores
[11:25] <czajkowski> frustrating as hell
[11:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Video of the Week: Weirdest ad of all time& - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/02/video-of-the-week-weirdest-ad-of-all-time/
[11:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Best Superbowl Ads - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/02/best-superbowl-ads/
[11:27] <s-fox> Well that isn't too bad,  launched new system and it has taken over an hour for a bug to be found. Even better is that I found it, not the userbase.  /me fixes quickly and pretends it never existed ;)
[11:28] <nigelb> s-fox: oooh, nice :)
[11:29] <s-fox> Fix is in place,  testing.
[11:45] <brobostigon> phew, no breakkage after sid upgrade, :)
[11:47] <popey> i did like the Motorola Xoom superbowl ad
[11:53] <bigcalm> The Xoom does look interesting
[11:54]  * czajkowski hugs MooDoo, don't want him feeling left out
[11:55] <MooDoo> czajkowski: don't worry i know you don't love me as much as davmor2 :p
[11:56] <czajkowski> MooDoo: he's had to deal with me since LRL
[11:56] <czajkowski> :)
[11:57] <MooDoo> czajkowski: poor bugger :)
[11:57] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: to be fair so have you :P
[11:58] <czajkowski> exactly
[12:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: did you try maverick/lucid on your dell in the end or did you bury it in the back garden?
[12:02] <czajkowski> went to brussels
[12:02] <czajkowski> laptop is now in london wiht threats of fedora being installed on it
[12:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: :D still won't work :P
[12:04] <czajkowski> no idea....
[12:04] <czajkowski> I'm blanking that conversaion out
[12:05] <MooDoo> oi fedora is good too :p
[12:06] <MooDoo> ok ok ignore i said that
[12:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: Her netbook looks to be on it's way out :(   Which is why I say fedora won't work :)
[12:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: i knew that ;)
[12:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: maybe you could fed-ex it to MooDoo and we not allow him to go out drinking till he's fixed it :D
[12:08] <czajkowski> eh no
[12:08] <davmor2> hahaha
[12:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: easy peasy :)
[12:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: ps don't look at my irc cloak ;)
[12:09] <s-fox> Fixed that bug nigelb ,  it was a little more tricky than I thought. lol
[12:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're too nice woman where's the old czajkowski that would of said great plan and sent it immediately
[12:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: Nice cloak :D
[12:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: full of waffles chocolate na ddetoxing of beer
[12:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's coz i'm a <stop listening everyone> a fedora ambassador/mentor as well :p </ok everyone can listen again>
[12:13] <gord> waffles n chocolate n beer \o/
[12:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: Error at  <stop listing everyone> everyone stopped listening
[12:14] <czajkowski> gord: pretty juch sums up my entire weekend
[12:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: how did your talk go?
[12:15] <czajkowski> ok :s
[12:15] <czajkowski> spoke too fast
[12:15] <gord> pretty good weekend, but its gonna take a week to get over that ;)
[12:15] <czajkowski> I know I speak fast
[12:15] <czajkowski> turns out I can speak even faster
[12:16] <kazade> presentations and interviews do that to me too... why is that?
[12:17] <screen-x> kazade: nerves
[12:17] <nigelb> s-fox: the kind of bug that no one notices are the best :-P
[12:17] <kazade> during our evolution what possible advantage would speaking faster be when put under pressure? :)
[12:17] <screen-x> most people have some sort of tick that they display when nervous.
[12:18] <kazade> I can hardly imagine a caveman quickly talking down a Sabre Toothed Tiger or something
[12:18] <kazade> running faster I get..
[12:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: no surely not you speak to fast :P
[12:23] <andylockran> heya
[12:24] <andylockran> man, that was a tough cycle in this morning.  Got blown backwards up a hill.
[12:24] <czajkowski> :(
[12:25] <andylockran> not looking forward to the cycle home :)
[12:26] <dogmatic69> suns shining here
[12:27] <davmor2> andylockran: why you shouldn't need to peddle once just don't hit the front brake, it's not the speed that kills you, it's the stopping :D
[12:31] <andylockran> davmor2: it was the sideswipe into the middle of the road I was most concerned about
[12:33] <davmor2> andylockran: nice makes sure there is a bus beside you they come in useful sometimesw :)
[12:33] <davmor2> -w
[12:34] <andylockran> :p
[12:35] <andylockran> anyone help me out.  I have a Logitech keyboard with an extra button :) it's the opposite of / on the left of my z key
[12:35] <andylockran> however, whenever I press it, it zooms the display
[12:36] <ali1234> what do you mean "extra"?
[12:36] <ali1234> i thought all UK keyboards had that
[12:37] <andylockran> hmm, maybe
[12:38] <DJones> andylockran: My keyboard has that key as well
[12:38] <andylockran> hmm,
[12:46] <shauno> bottom row should have \ at one end and / at the other.  for pinball :)
[12:47] <shauno> never understood how USian keyboards managed without that
[12:55] <Baikonur> my button left to the z has <, > and |
[12:55] <directhex> andylockran, backslash zooms?
[12:55] <DJones> shauno: Now you've said that about pinball I don't think I've ever had a keyboard with a "\" key next to the "Z" key
[12:55] <directhex> andylockran, sounds like weirdness from compiz
[13:04] <s-fox> Time for lunch, back later
[13:17] <andylockran> ta ra
[13:34] <cps> afternoon
[13:34] <brobostigon> afternoonings cps :)
[13:34] <cps> hey brobostigon how's you? :)
[13:35] <brobostigon> cps: not bad, back and hip pain but good. and you?
[13:35] <cps> I'm okay :)
[13:35] <cps> might reformat later today
[13:40] <alexM90> hello, everybody!
[13:41] <cps> hey alexM90 :)
[13:42] <brobostigon> cps: why ?
[13:42] <alexM90> does anybody know a good python tutorial for programers? I mean I have some C++ and Java experience
[13:42] <cps> brobostigon: it's been playing up a lot lately; keeps crashing every hour or so
[13:42] <brobostigon> cps: not good,
[13:44] <davmor2> alexM90: Yeap there are plenty on the python.org I recommend dive into python too
[13:46] <alexM90> cheers davmor2
[13:50] <shauno> DJones: no? it shares the pipe key on every (pc) keyboard I've had; ala http://store.aramedia.com/shopimages/products/normal/kb-englishukwhite.jpg
[13:51] <shauno> beside each shift key is a paddle key for pinball :)
[13:51] <DJones> shauno: I was agreeing with you, every keyboard I've had has that key
[13:51] <shauno> ah, musta misread
[13:51] <DJones> It was when you mentioned pinball that reminded me, its always those two keys for the flippers
[14:09] <MooDoo> :)
[15:19] <davmor2> MOOO!
[15:23] <gord> oh dear, davmor2 is mooing now
[15:23] <gord> not a good sign
[15:25] <directhex> oink
[15:25] <davmor2> gord: tired of going around in circle with python api tests :)  Needed to let off steam and the channel was quiet as czajkowski isn't around :D
[15:34] <danfish>  davmor2 - she's on her way back and has got a brand new whalloping stick with extra whallop ;)
[15:35] <davmor2> danfish: Don't believe you :P
[15:37] <DJones> She's from Ireland, I'm sure there's a stock of Shillelagh's to hand
[15:41] <davmor2> DJones: she can not harm me my wings are like a shield of steel, well their attached to the get away plane so I hope they are :D
[15:45] <danfish> davmor2: this is the one http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/images/s343.jpg :D
[15:52] <DJones> danfish: That looks painful
[15:54] <danfish> DJones: yes, being hit around the head with that may well chafe somewhat
[15:55] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[15:55] <pr0ph3t> I made a bit of a mess
[15:56] <danfish> wot happened?
[15:57] <pr0ph3t> I installed chrome os and grub on the mbr but ubuntu is not an option on the grub menu, now I am trying to put an iso image of ubuntu on a usb drive so I can boot into it and reinstall grub etc
[15:58] <pr0ph3t> I used the command sudo dd if=image of=device is that a good way to solve the problem?
[15:59] <pr0ph3t> sorry I used dd if=./imagename of=/device
[15:59] <pr0ph3t> looks like it's done
[15:59] <dwatkins> I suggest using unetbootin to make a bootable USB installer
[16:00] <pr0ph3t> dwatkins: thanks for the tip
[16:00] <pr0ph3t> I'm not even sure this is actually chrome os I'm running now
[16:00] <dwatkins> welcome
[16:00] <dwatkins> you can't tell what OS you're running?
[16:01] <pr0ph3t> looks more like openSUSE to me
[16:01] <pr0ph3t> it's definitely based on openSUSE
[16:02] <pr0ph3t> brb hopefully
[16:13] <Azelphur> this £100 android phone I bought for my mum seems quite spiffy, even with all of oranges bloatware
[16:14] <Azelphur> I'm gonna remove all the crap with a custom rom and tidy it up, I reckon it's got potential :)
[16:14] <MooDoo> Azelphur: which phone?
[16:14] <Azelphur> Orange San Francisco / ZTE Blade, it's £100 from orange/amazon atm
[16:14] <MooDoo> cool
[16:15] <davmor2> Azelphur: it's quite easy to root it and loose the orange bloatware too :)
[16:15] <Azelphur> indeed
[16:16] <Azelphur> davmor2: have you done it? maybe you can point me in better directions, I'm no doubt working from old instructions
[16:16] <Azelphur> I'm still kinda vague on what rom to flash and how to root it
[16:17] <davmor2> http://androidforums.com/san-francisco-all-things-root/230099-guide-flashing-your-orange-san-francisco-zte-blade-custom-rom.html#post1952386  I haven't someone from the lug has though
[16:17] <davmor2> Azelphur: ^
[16:19] <Azelphur> davmor2: nice
[16:19] <Azelphur> I probably have newer phone though, I bought it new
[16:19]  * Azelphur checks build number
[16:19] <Azelphur> yea, I got B08
[16:20] <Azelphur> so that's no good for me :(
[16:21] <Azelphur> davmor2: wow...that's cheap -.-
[16:21] <Azelphur> the B08 has less RAM too
[16:21] <Azelphur> I might send it back, that's crappy
[16:22] <lazarus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563934/
[16:24] <screen-x> lazarus_: I'd move the file its winging about out the way, then apt-get update
[16:24] <Azelphur> davmor2: oh no it's ok, I do indeed have the 512MB model that's ok :p
[16:25] <Azelphur> but still B08 so that rom won't work :(
[16:28] <davmor2> Azelphur: the rooting process should still be the same though
[16:29] <lazarus_> screen-x: how would i do that
[16:29] <Azelphur> davmor2: just fastboot clockwork right?
[16:29] <screen-x> lazarus_:  sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-amd64_Packages ~; sudo apt-get update
[16:29] <davmor2> Azelphur: again no idea a friend worked through it to get it to work for them
[16:30] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:33] <lazarus_> screen-x: http://paste.ubuntu.com/563945/
[16:34] <screen-x> lazarus_: you got that after moving the file out the way and updating?
[16:34] <lazarus_> mhm
[16:34] <screen-x> are you using a package proxy?
[16:34] <lazarus_> noo....
[16:35] <HazRPG> \o
[16:35] <HazRPG> hey all
[16:35] <lazarus_> HazRPG: hey
[16:36] <HazRPG> lazarus_: :) hey
[16:36] <screen-x> lazarus_: you could remove all the lists in /var/lib/apt/lists, then try apt-get update.
[16:37] <lazarus_> screen-x: how lol
[16:40] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[16:40] <screen-x> lazarus_: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[16:40] <screen-x> lazarus_: then when you apt-get update, those files will be recreated.
[16:41] <HazRPG> brobostigon: afternoon :)
[16:51] <andylockran> howdy
[16:53] <bigcalm> Morning
[16:54] <Pendulum> bigcalm: a little late for that, isn't it?
[16:54] <bigcalm> ;)
[16:54] <screen-x> bigcalm: long night of minecraft?
[16:55] <brobostigon> is the awake time, in the new android 2.3 battery measure graph thingie, the same as the wake time in spare parts?
[16:55] <bigcalm> screen-x: I've been weaning myself off of the crack
[16:55] <lazarus_> screen-x: thanks
[16:56]  * bigcalm ponders what to make for dinner
[16:56] <bigcalm> Pasta bake is tempting
[16:56] <screen-x> bigcalm: curry!
[16:56] <dogmatic69> pizza
[16:57] <bigcalm> We had pizza yesterday
[16:57] <screen-x> actually I do quite like pasta bake :)
[16:57] <bigcalm> Tinned chicken corma and brown rice. That's also possible
[16:58] <screen-x> and pasta bake is within my very small remit :)
[16:59] <bigcalm> Making do with what's in the house is us trying to be sensible
[16:59] <bigcalm> Have a table booked at a local balti house for the 14th though
[17:02] <screen-x> To find ip address from mac address, I should use rarp? however rarp -a returns "This kernel does not support RARP", any other ways?
[17:02] <ormiret> screen-x: ask your DHCP server?
[17:05] <screen-x> ormiret: grep -i -B6 $MAC </var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases   should have thought of that :)
[17:11] <Jibadeeha> was just trying alpha 2 of unity ... quite like it .. reminds me of windowmaker with that dock
[17:11] <Jibadeeha> alpha 2 of ubuntu that is
[17:11] <popey> 5/93
[17:11] <popey> bah
[17:12] <screen-x> "From February 15 you will need to be a subscriber to listen to Last.fm Radio stations on devices, including your Last.fm iPhone / iPod Touch app."     <----      /o\
[17:12] <screen-x> popey: that's not a great score :-/
[17:12]  * screen-x deletes last.fm app
[17:18] <dwatkins> Why, screen-x - I'm curious as to your reason.
[17:18] <screen-x> dwatkins: ^3
[17:19] <dwatkins> I assume it's the requirement for registration, but what's wrong with that?
[17:19] <screen-x> subscriber = ££
[17:20] <screen-x> <-- cheapskate
[17:20] <dwatkins> oh paid, gotcha
[17:20] <DJones> dwatkins: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/07/lastfm_mobile_subscriptions/
[17:20] <screen-x> Basically last.fm are becoming more spotifyish, without letting you listen to exactly what you want to.
[17:21] <screen-x> I was wondering how last.fm were paying for all my streaming though :p
[17:21] <dwatkins> that's not so good
[17:21] <dwatkins> yeah, me too
[17:21] <screen-x> last.fm even have audio adverts now.
[17:23] <dwatkins> I listen to soma.fm mostly.
[17:25] <screen-x> heh, "mission control", I'll have to try listening to that :)
[17:25] <dwatkins> Sadly philosomatika closed even though I bought 3 t-shirts.
[17:26] <screen-x> dwatkins: unfortunately freeloaders always outway paying people (/me being one of them :-/)
[17:26] <dwatkins> Yeah, I like Mission Control for background 'music' at work so I don't have to listen to others
[17:26] <dwatkins> I don't mind occasional adverts on netradio
[17:28] <Baikonur> i haven't actually listened any other soma fm radio but suburbs of goa
[17:29] <Baikonur> even though i listen to that quite a lot
[17:29] <dwatkins> I like trance
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> No problems here.. but I was already a paying member for last.fm :)
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> also, last.fm works in my Linux clients
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> spotify is more expensive and I need wine
[17:54] <AlanBell> evening peeps
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> \o
[17:57] <popey> MartijnVdS: you dont need wine if you pay
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: only if you pay enough
[17:57] <popey> lo AlanBell
[17:57] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you could always do what I do,  Find an internet radio station that is free and plays the music you're interested in?  or buy music and listen to that :D
[17:57] <popey> i thought the linux client worked on all pay accounts
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: yeah, that's what I do
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://3voor12.vpro.nl/luisterpaal/ ("steal" some Dutch public broadcasting money :))
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: "meh" :)
[17:59] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I listen to my own music or I like absolute radio 80's which is available in a mad selection of formats including ogg vorbis and flac
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: yeah, I can get it from my sat card as well :)
[18:04] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: and on virgin cable too :)  and on freeview too I think
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: still, I watch BBC HD from the Netherlands, the least you could do is listen to Dutch public broadcasting from the UK :P
[18:15] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: But that's cause the bbc is good right ;)
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so is the VPRO
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPRO
[18:16] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: the word religious put me off :D
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: they aren't anymore
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> haven't been since the mid-60s
[18:18] <davmor2> :D  I'm not being blagged by that line ;)
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: if you want religious TV in the Netherlands, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelische_Omroep
[18:19] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: No that's just it I don't :D
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> ^ those people edited the bits refering to evolution out of some Attenborough documentaries
[18:46] <pr0ph3t> so there, we can't try out chrome os anymore?
[18:47] <pr0ph3t> only comes on their hardware
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: you can try to get one of those laptops
[18:47] <jono`> anyone have a uk phone number that i could send a quick sms test to? :)
[18:48] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, they are only for US residents
[18:48] <Azelphur> jono`: sure
[18:49] <Azelphur> jono`: pm'd number
[18:49] <jono`> thx!
[18:49] <pr0ph3t> I tried it though and it's just openSUSE with chrome web browser installed basically, doesn't even boot that fast
[18:50] <pr0ph3t> but I guess it's not the version that will be installed on the laptops
[18:51] <moreati> jono`: +447790816339
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> moreati: added to spamlist
[18:52] <pr0ph3t> lol
[18:52] <jono`> heh, thank moreati, ill privmsg you :)
[18:53] <brobostigon> moreati: thats maybe not such a good idea ina publiclly logged channel, with the possibilitly o allsorts of people  bing inhere.
[18:53] <moreati> Oh, I only scaned for digits, didn't see Azelphur's. Sorry
[18:53] <Azelphur> hehe :P
[18:54] <davmor2> jono`: do you need any more or is that enough?
[18:54] <jono`> sure, third times a charm :)
[18:54] <jono`> thanks for everyones help
[18:58] <jono`> #ubuntu-uk++ :)
[19:00] <moreati> brobostigon: I don't hide my email address or tel number. A dumb idea maybe, but a concious decision. So far not too much SMS spam, and gmail deals with email spam
[19:01] <brobostigon> moreati: ok, fair enough, but i wouldnt do it, myself.
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you don't have to ;)
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> you can always get a new phone number if it gets out of hand
[19:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: never had to do that,because i am careful whoi give my number to.
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's less bother, agreed :)
[19:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: very, lessbother. :)
[19:29] <pr0ph3t> how do I sync a folder on ubuntu one? basically I need those files on the cloud
[19:29] <pr0ph3t> running ubuntu 10.10 64bit
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: in the file browser, right-click -> share?
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: or right-click -> ubuntu one
[19:30] <X3N> you will need to have setup your ubuntu one account first though via Preferences > Ubuntu one
[19:30] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: do you have an ubuntuone account?
[19:31] <pr0ph3t> X3N, I have the account already
[19:31] <pr0ph3t> yes davmor2
[19:31] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: do you see a folder called Ubuntu One?
[19:31] <davmor2> in you home folder
[19:36] <popey> brobostigon: I have had the same number since 1995 and get pretty much no spam calls/texts
[19:36] <popey> and my number is well known
[19:36]  * popey suspects MartijnVdS has it :)
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: I do
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> I even remember where I got it ;)
[19:37] <brobostigon> popey: you're lucky then i think,
[19:37] <maco> most of the calls i get from people i dont know are from my dad's friends who dont realise it hasnt been his number in nearly a decade
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> I've had my number for about.. 8 years
[19:38] <pr0ph3t> have you guys tried the natty alpha 2 then?
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: I'm running natty atm
[19:38] <DJones> One way of reducing spam calls would be to register with the TPS
[19:38] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, with unity or the classic desktop?
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> classic
[19:38] <davmor2> I have a nice mix of natty, maverick and lucid, windows etc at the moment
[19:40]  * MartijnVdS plays with Google Fusion Tables a bit
[19:40] <pr0ph3t> sudo apt-get upgrade -d?
[19:40] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: update-manager -d
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: no, and if you don't know where to find how to do it, you shouldn't be running alphas :)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ^
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: (things WILL break in natty, be warned :))
[19:41] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, too late
[19:41] <pr0ph3t> davmor2, thanks
[19:42] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: No get it right pr0ph3t things keep breaking in natty
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> natty has been the most unstable dev version since jaunty for me
[19:42] <pr0ph3t> davmor2, I was running alpha 1 up to a couple of weeks ago
[19:44] <pr0ph3t> and by the way I am positively shocked by the new chromium web apps
[19:45] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: in that case you just need to do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:45] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Yeah but for go reason apparently :)
[19:45] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: it's bad when you have to revert kernels in order to get your wifi to work though, the new atheros driver adds some functionality that hasn't been used by atheros so the driver simply fails to work :D
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: the whole indicator thing feels unstable
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so does compiz
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> and when I change/fix my keyboard layout, gnome-settings-daemon crashes and everything reverts to some "Default" gtk theme
[19:47] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: the magic of unity --reset is the most used command in my history
[19:47] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, does the panel start more than one nm-applet etc?
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: sometimes
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: sometimes not
[19:47] <pr0ph3t> I had that a lot
[19:47] <pr0ph3t> the keyboard problem as well for a while
[19:48] <pr0ph3t> compiz was really cool with all the new stuff though
[19:49] <pr0ph3t> although some things didn't work
[19:49] <pr0ph3t> animations settings did not start
[19:57] <lazarus_> From February 15 you will need to be a subscriber to listen to Last.fm Radio stations on devices, including your Last.fm Android app. jsuk
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> \o/ already paying customer (because radio won't work at all in .nl otherwise)
[20:45] <MooDoo> hello all
[20:45] <popey> lo
[20:47] <bigcalm> Morning
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: afternoon :)
[20:55] <TOSDroid> Eveni.g all
[20:57] <dogmatic69> could anyone point me to the best way to run spotify?
[20:57] <dogmatic69> the site has some info, but for debian... should i just use that?
[20:58] <dogmatic69> or the nasty windows one...
[20:58] <brobostigon> i do believe you canrun the windows version straight out, inside wine, without issue nor difficulty,
[21:00] <HazRPG> lazarus_: no way! :(
[21:00] <HazRPG> gonna miss last.fm :(
[21:01] <mgdm> there's a linux version that works for me
[21:01] <lazarus_> HazRPG: yea
[21:06] <popey> dogmatic69: if you are a paying spotify customer you can use the linux version, if not you use windows version in wine
[21:06] <mgdm> Oooh, yes. I forgot, I pay for it. :)
[21:06] <dogmatic69> popey: ah, just read the fine print...
[21:07] <popey> ditto
[21:07] <jacobw> is there an irc channel for bytemark hosting?
[21:09] <dogmatic69> ok, so new question... how do i use wine :D
[21:10]  * jacobw is clueless about DNS
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> time to learn :)
[21:10] <mgdm> jacobw: what's your question? I know enough to get by
[21:10] <jacobw> I assume I need a static IP to point a DNS record at?
[21:11] <Baikonur> dogmatic69: red with meats, white with fish or veggies
[21:11] <dogmatic69> ah... thats what i been doing wrong
[21:11] <jacobw> i'm ordering a vm with the intention of using it to serve a webpage at a domain that i've registered
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> the vm will get a static IP
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> so point your records at that
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> start $web_server
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> done!
[21:12] <jacobw> :)
[21:12]  * jacobw wades through the order form
[21:14] <mgdm> jacobw: yeah, that'll do it
[21:23] <aphrek> hi all
[21:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Hardware vexation - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/133674.html
[21:28] <dutchie> mmmmm, beer
[21:28] <dutchie> this is exactly what i need atm
[21:35] <TOSDroid> Horizon is quite gruesome tonight... About car crashes and how to improve things.
[21:42] <aphrek> not a barrel of laughs then..
[21:44] <bjb_> clear
[21:46] <bjb_> irssi
[21:57] <dogmatic69> a friends fb account just got hacked and chat was sending out random chats.... to bad im using ubuntu :)
[21:57] <dogmatic69> some exe download
[21:58] <Jibadeeha> TOSDroid, what do they suggest to improve things
[22:00] <TOSDroid> Jibadeeha: various: Medical, psychological, technical... Volvo quite well represented.
[22:00] <TOSDroid> It will be on the iy
[22:00] <TOSDroid> Iplayer shortly
[22:00] <Jibadeeha> TOSDroid, great will watch that
[23:19] <aphrek> the battery staus has disappeared from my menu - any ideas on how to get it back?
[23:20] <Baikonur> this might mean increased battery life
[23:20] <Baikonur> to infinity
[23:20] <dutchie> aphrek: system -> preferences -> power manager, then check the "notification area" bit on the "General" tab
[23:20] <Baikonur> quite unlikely, though
[23:21] <aphrek> lol
[23:21] <aphrek> dutchie - it's set to always show an icon..?
[23:22] <dutchie> do you have any other icons there?
[23:22] <aphrek> pressed make default & no success. Also tried to set 'never display icon' and then back to always show - still no luck..
[23:23] <dutchie> e.g. the messaging menu, which looks like an envelope
[23:23] <aphrek> yes- system status, wifi, time etc..
[23:23] <dutchie> and volume control?
[23:23] <aphrek> no - thats not there
[23:23] <dutchie> the wifi and time live in different panel applets
[23:23] <dutchie> so you are missing the indicator applet
[23:23] <dutchie> right click on the panel, and choose add to panel
[23:24] <aphrek> aha, thanks!
[23:24] <dutchie> scroll down or search and choose "indicator applet" (not "indicator applet session"
[23:24] <dutchie> )
[23:24] <aphrek> sorted - thank you
[23:24] <dutchie> no problem
[23:24] <aphrek> not sure how I lost that. Though I must say I looked through the applets & it's not completely obvious
[23:24] <dutchie> no, it isn't really
[23:25] <aphrek> anyhow - must dash thanks all, esp dutchie