[01:21] <MarkDude> k
[01:28] <MarkDud> pleia2, I am going to se about finding the recipe they used
[01:28] <MarkDud> geeknics could be a bit more fun when we trade recipes
[01:29]  * MarkDud is trying to get some ideas from a geeknic person from Romania
[02:45] <kdub_> hellos, did i miss the meeting?
[02:47] <akk> meeting?
[02:48] <akk> The topic says there's one a week from now.
[02:48] <akk> If there was one today, I missed it too.
[02:49] <kdub_> ah, darn. most sundays i have to miss the meeting, superbowl switched things up a bit this week
[02:51] <akk> Probably some folks are busy partying.
[03:02] <MarkDud> Welcome to Terranova
[03:02] <MarkDud> awesome name for a TV show
[04:05] <frewsxcv> anyone here from slo?
[04:39] <mike> Hello
[04:39] <frewsxcv> hey Ar71K
[04:40] <Ar71K> I just heard about Ubuntu California from reddit
[04:41] <rww> o.O
[04:42] <rww> where on reddit?
[04:42] <Ar71K> yessir
[04:42] <Ar71K> oo
[04:43] <Ar71K> on the mainpage leme see what subreddit
[04:44] <frewsxcv> Ar71K: me too
[04:44] <frewsxcv> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/fgd16/stop_playing_monopoly_start_playing_community/
[04:46] <Ar71K> thats the one
[04:47] <Ar71K> shiiii
[04:47] <frewsxcv> Ar71K: where you from?
[17:01] <jdeslip> Wow... someone took the source to one of my apps, modified it slightly to look uglier and published it as a new app on the market.  They even plagiarized word for word part of my app description.
[17:02] <jdeslip> (and didn't release their code as mandated by the GPL)
[17:04] <jamiedmattingly> wow thats got to suck jdeslip
[17:04] <jamiedmattingly> what kind of app was it?
[17:04] <pleia2> :(
[17:04] <jamiedmattingly> hi pleia2
[17:04] <pleia2> morning
[17:05] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: can you add your vallejo ubuntu hour to our events on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california
[17:05] <pleia2> click "log in" at the top right, it'll log you in with your launchpad.net id
[17:06] <pleia2> then "Add new event"
[17:06] <jamiedmattingly> already did pleia2 its on the list of events for march 7th
[17:06] <pleia2> oh! so you did
[17:06] <jdeslip> It was my arXiv app
[17:06] <pleia2> I didn't realize the directory only showed 5 events
[17:06] <pleia2> cool, thanks :)
[17:07] <jdeslip> It is hard to prove they stole the source.  But there are parts that have identical behavior and messages. :/
[17:07] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: mind if I add some details? (it doesn't have locatoin or anything)
[17:07] <jamiedmattingly> im gonna go to yours wednesday so i can get an idea how it works if that is ok
[17:07] <pleia2> great :)
[17:07] <jamiedmattingly> sure what ever you think is best pleia2
[17:07] <jamiedmattingly> i appreciate the help
[17:10] <jamiedmattingly> im sorry jdeslip is there anyway of doing anything?
[17:19] <jamiedmattingly> also pleia2 will be bringing the california ubuntu shirts i made 3 l 2 xl
[17:19] <jamiedmattingly> it was 3 and 3 but i kept one for me
[17:21] <pleia2> yay!
[17:23] <jamiedmattingly> if you want when we meet wednesday for your ubuntu hour we can figure out pattern and colors and suchand then ill be able to get a decent quote from my boss
[17:24] <pleia2> sounds great, I'll bring down one of the current shirts we have left over from the last run
[17:27] <jamiedmattingly> cool do you have the images also? one of the things that will bring down the cost is the image already designed so i dont have to get the art guys to do it for me
[17:28] <pleia2> yeah we've got all the logos in SVG
[17:29] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  the art guy said (and youll have to forgive me here i know nothing of this area so i will probably sound really stupid)
[17:29] <jamiedmattingly> but it has to have vectors or something like an AI file
[17:30] <pleia2> some of the templates are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Shirts
[17:30] <pleia2> SVG is vector
[17:30] <jamiedmattingly> ok cool at least somebody knows this stuff lol
[17:30] <pleia2> :)
[17:30] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Logo
[17:31] <pleia2> ^^ has link to our svg
[17:32] <jamiedmattingly> very cool pleia2 i like the one with the flag
[17:33] <pleia2> that was just one of the proposed ones, we only use the top one with the bear
[17:33] <pleia2> the flag one is cute though :)
[17:34] <jamiedmattingly> yeah the one with the bear in the logo is the one i used for the shirts i made. its not like the black one though. with pattern on both sides. just one large logo on front
[17:44] <grantbow> 1/
[17:44] <grantbow> o/
[17:45] <grantbow> pleia2: I don't have a travel budget for any upcoming events to caravan any supplies.
[17:46] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  i dont see a svg for the flag logo do you have one or know how to convert it?
[17:46] <grantbow> err, carpool
[17:46] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: you can't really convert it to SVG, you'd have to start from scratch with the elements (and I'd generally advise against using it, since it's not our official branding)
[17:46] <grantbow> jamiedmattingly: hey, great work, I am looking forward to March 7th.
[17:47] <pleia2> grantbow: are you coming to scale?
[17:47] <grantbow> unfortunately no
[17:47] <jamiedmattingly> whedre do you live grantbow?
[17:48] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  ok sorry about the flag thing just thought it was a cool pattern
[17:48] <grantbow> jamiedmattingly: near Walnut Creek - join us any Friday at 6:00 if you can for www.dvlug.org
[17:48] <pleia2> grantbow: so you need to me to come out to you to pick up my plastic table boards and things?
[17:48] <grantbow> pleia2: no I can get them to you, maybe this Wed for my usual SF visits
[17:49] <jamiedmattingly> fridays are bad for me. wife has class at srjc so i have to watch kids
[17:49] <pleia2> grantbow: ok cool, sorry you can't make it down to scale (it's a bit of a strain on our budget too, the hotel is the killer)
[17:49] <grantbow> yeah, costs add up
[17:50] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  scale is so cal linux expo right?
[17:50] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yep
[17:50] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  is there a ncale?
[17:50] <jamiedmattingly> or something like that?
[17:51] <pleia2> no, but the bay area has all kinds of events
[17:51] <jamiedmattingly> i signed up for that one you told me bout in april still waiting for my invite approval
[17:53] <pleia2> I think they send out an email whether you're approved or put on the waiting list
[17:54] <pleia2> but it can take a couple weeks
[17:55] <jamiedmattingly> im not worried we'll see what happens if i dont for whatever reason then there are plenty more to go to
[17:55] <pleia2> that's just the linux foundation though, we have tons of LUGs and other events: http://linuxmafia.com/bale/
[17:56] <pleia2> and a lot of other conferences come through here for individual projects
[17:56] <pleia2> drupal, mysql, etc
[18:03] <grantbow> jdeslip: good luck dealing with that other app
[18:09] <grantbow> jamiedmattingly: this list is state wide and sorted by region then day of the month for regular meetings: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UserGroupContacts/Groups
[18:10] <jamiedmattingly> cool thanks grantbow
[18:10] <jdeslip> @grantbow: They also plagiarized word for word part of my app description... That is somewhat of a smoking gun, I think.
[18:11] <jdeslip> Does anyone know what to do in a situation like this?
[18:12] <grantbow> well, each app can be reported for copyright violations with a click, that's a start
[18:14] <jdeslip> Basically I want to demand that they release their changes under GPL in compliance with my license.  I'd also like them to send them wherever you send people who steal/hijack open-source projects to try to promote some new app-developing company they are starting.
[18:14] <jdeslip> I think I will send them an email before doing anything "official"
[18:14] <grantbow> I would carefully phrase a complaint and try to contact them directly before getting more involved in fighting. They may back down.
[18:15] <grantbow> if they don't respond kindly a blog post at berkeleylug.com might add some pressure when you choose to turn the screws on them.
[18:22] <grantbow> you will want to move carefully though in case they don't want to play ball
[18:27] <grantbow> Much will depend on how they respond. Hope for the best and prepapre for the worst I think.
[18:27] <grantbow> worst case Christian might be able to help, lol.
[18:29] <grantbow> or know someone for advice
[18:29] <pleia2> well, there is always the eff :)
[18:29] <grantbow> right there in the city too, yup
[18:35] <jdeslip> grantbow@ I got a response from them.
[18:36] <jdeslip> They are changing the plagiarized app description and are sending me the source of their app to look over...  They said they used my app as a model but did not use the source.
[18:37] <pleia2> hooray for positive responses \o/
[18:38] <jdeslip> I still think creating an imitation of someone else's free/open-source app and publishing it is a somewhat idiotic thing to do, but whatever...
[18:41] <grantbow> interesting
[18:42] <grantbow> they might even be telling the truth, lol
[18:45] <grantbow> dealing with people that don't grok open source is tiring
[18:59]  * kdub just rediscovered nicserv ghost cmd
[19:01] <pleia2> :)
[19:26] <jamiedmattingly> does anyone here know of a program for linux that either creates or converts to a dst
[19:39] <kdub> daylight savings time
[19:39] <jamiedmattingly> .dst its a file type used for embroidery
[19:42] <jamiedmattingly> if you want to get a design embroidered you submit a .dst file to the embroidere to have the image put on you garment
[19:46] <jtatum> jamiedmattingly: did you happen to see this thread? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/conversion-to-dst-format-embroidery-227789/ there's a couple of sourceforge projects… not real common apparently
[19:46] <jamiedmattingly> thanks jtatum ill take a look
[21:32] <jamiedmattingly> are you still here pleia2?
[21:36] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: in and out, at work right now
[21:37] <jamiedmattingly> sorry to bother you
[21:38] <pleia2> no worries, what's up?
[21:39] <jamiedmattingly> i got in trouble for those shirts today was asking about what info was needed for other shirts and then they found out shirts werent just for me so they said if i wanted to keep them i had to pay $10 a piece
[21:39] <jamiedmattingly> which i dont have right now so i prolly wont be able to bring those ones wednesday
[21:40] <jamiedmattingly> apparently if it is something that just i wear is ok but if i print for someone else even if i am included in that group then they make me pay
[21:41] <pleia2> can I buy the 3 larges for $10/eac?
[21:42] <jamiedmattingly> sure sorry bout that it would be less if i printed more prolly
[21:42] <pleia2> no problem
[21:42] <pleia2> sorry to hear you got in trouble!
[21:42] <pleia2> maybe we can see if anyone at the Hour wants to buy some too? I just can't afford more than $30 right now
[21:44] <jamiedmattingly> ok they gave me the larges back plus my xl ill bring what i can wed
[21:44] <pleia2> ok :)
[22:28] <kdub> buy what, ubuntu shirts?
[22:31] <MarkDude> jedahan, what are you doing tomorrow night?
[22:32] <MarkDude> Super NerdNight SF
[22:32] <MarkDude> = awesome
[22:32] <pleia2> kdub: yeah, jamiedmattingly printed up a few basic shirts (on white?) from the shop he works at
[22:33] <kdub> ah, cool
[22:33] <kdub> i have a debian t-shirt and an ubuntu hoodie
[22:33] <kdub> i get a kick from wearing the t shirt under the hoodie
[22:33] <pleia2> hehe
[22:34] <pleia2> I've never managed to get a debian tshirt
[22:34] <kdub> cafepress
[22:34] <kdub> these weren't really shirts that were 'earned' somehow :P
[22:34] <akk> Nice to have the hoodie -- I keep going to geek gatherings where it's too cold to wear my ubuntu t-shirt with too many layers over it for anyone to see.
[22:34] <akk> I have one debian shirt but I bought it, it wasn't "earned".
[22:35] <jamiedmattingly> well how would you earn a shirt????
[22:35] <akk> jamiedmattingly: e.g. go to a conference, participate in an event, get a free t-shirt.
[22:36] <jamiedmattingly> oh cool need to do one of those then much better than what i tried to do :)
[22:37] <jamiedmattingly> speaking of geek gatherings anyone know who does the eeknic thing? the only event they have scheduled was last year?
[22:38] <pleia2> MarkDude tends to be the lead on those
[22:38] <pleia2> our last one was in november
[22:38] <jamiedmattingly> i think thats the one i saw walnut creek or something?
[22:38] <pleia2> yeah, we've had a couple in walnut creek
[22:39] <jamiedmattingly> MarkDude,  anything coming soon from geeknic???
[22:39] <MarkDude> Yes,
[22:40] <MarkDude> Deciding on date
[22:40] <MarkDude> You are invited to meeting on it in #gidgetkitchen tonight
[22:41] <MarkDude> maybe 7- it should just take a few minutes
[22:41] <MarkDude> Feb 19th maybe
[22:42] <jamiedmattingly> cool ill be there
[22:42]  * MarkDude is doing CFP for OSCON now
[22:42] <MarkDude> pondering how best to include the Penguin suit
[22:42] <kdub> DarkwingDuck tossed the idea of doing a geeknic down ole san diego way
[22:42] <akk> Wasn't the OSCON deadline last night? Did they extend it at the last minute?
[22:43] <jamiedmattingly> just out of curiosity is it just us or are kids allowed?
[22:43] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: kids encourage d:)
[22:43] <MarkDude> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011/public/cfp/144
[22:43] <pleia2> it's meant to be a more family-ish event than our usual things
[22:44] <jedahan> MarkDude, lemme check that out. I might be doing a acrobatics class
[22:44] <jamiedmattingly> nice i have a 9 year old and a 1 year old they ought to have fun too
[22:45] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=183755411658835
[22:45] <MarkDude> fb only I guess
[22:45] <pleia2> and while we don't forbid alcohol, it's never been a popular thing at these events (and certainly never been a problem)
[22:46] <akk> MarkDude: Oh, wow, I have one more day to make excuses for why I haven't submitted anything. :) Everybody was saying it was last night.
[22:46] <MarkDude> beer is a very important part of socializing, people behave tho :)
[22:46] <jamiedmattingly> i am a very big supporter of beer consumption :)
[22:47] <MarkDude> well beer is part of geek culture
[22:47] <jamiedmattingly> thats why i like linux so much i kept seeing free beer in all the docs lol
[22:47] <MarkDude> and bbq culture
[22:47] <pleia2> lol
[22:47]  * MarkDude is nt really a drinker, yet always makes sure we have some :D
[22:49]  * MarkDude prepares his CFP, and gets ready to parenthetically say in a Penguin suit a few times- lol
[22:49] <MarkDude> sry, say parenthe....
[22:52] <jamiedmattingly> we just printed a job last week for a local brewer called moylans. whenever he picks up his shirts he brings samples. very nice stuff
[23:09] <kdub> jamiedmattingly: printing question though, i have an SVG i want to post around town, about loco san diego
[23:09] <kdub> how would you find a decent printing shop? i was about to just go kinko it
[23:09] <kdub> but kinko's is generally a terrible experience all around :P
[23:10] <pleia2> I wish local print shops could standardize their submission forms like kinko's, I prefer to go to local shops but kinko's is so easy
[23:12] <kdub> i like to scout out the local shops too, but with me being uprooted from michigan, its taken a bit of time for the more obscure shops to be found
[23:13] <pleia2> yeah, same
[23:13] <pleia2> except s/michigan/pennsylvania
[23:15] <crashsystems1> Btw does anyone have advice on buying a bike?
[23:17] <crashsystems1> I'm looking for a decent but not expensive bike for my daily commute
[23:17] <akk> Where are you? Any hills on that commute?
[23:17] <rww> buy something used that isn't covered in rust
[23:17] <pleia2> bicycle?
[23:17] <rww> cheaper and less likely to get stolen
[23:18]  * rww is assuming bicycle
[23:18] <crashsystems1> Sunnyvale, no hills
[23:18] <jamiedmattingly> sorry kdub was away from desk
[23:18] <crashsystems1> Bicycle
[23:19] <jamiedmattingly> dont know anyprint shops other than this one i just lucked out finding this one
[23:19] <pleia2> local bike shops tend to rock, super friendly people and if you tell them what you need and how much you have to spend they can usually hook you up
[23:19] <pleia2> I find they don't tend to rip your off because they want you to come back for tune-ups and accessories
[23:19] <akk> crashsystems1: There's a place called Fast Bicycle in San Jose (Alum Rock, not sure how close lightrail goes) that used to have fantastic prices on surprisingly good bikes.
[23:19] <kdub> jamiedmattingly: ah, i thought with all the print shop talk you were in the printing business
[23:19] <pleia2> s/your off/you off
[23:20] <akk> My commute bike came from there (mine's a Giant but cost me not much more than Huffy/Murray types were going for at places like Target).
[23:20] <pleia2> mine's a Giant too
[23:20]  * pleia2 pets Nessy
[23:20] <jamiedmattingly> kdub i do work at a printer have for like 6 months now bu ti got referred here by an employment service
[23:21] <pleia2> unfortunately when I bought it I was riding on dirt trails, it's not the awesomest for the city
[23:21] <jamiedmattingly> we are in sonoma we do work for all kind of places and ship to them
[23:21] <jtatum> pleia2: gonna bring it down to the trails again? :)
[23:21] <akk> I agree with not buying something cool looking and expensive ... hurts too much when it gets stolen. :(
[23:22] <pleia2> jtatum: I hope so, trying to get into better shape under controlled conditions first so I don't kill myself after 20 minutes of riding ;)
[23:22] <crashsystems1> Do stolen bikes happen often?
[23:22] <akk> If it'll be locked outside a lot, and it's something expensive and cool, yeah, better assume so.
[23:23] <jamiedmattingly> i got my bike at walmart for $75
[23:23]  * akk had a beloved Cannondale MTB stolen and has been very paranoid about leaving its replacement unattended anywhere, ever
[23:23] <pleia2> aw :(
[23:24] <akk> It was in Palo Alto, locked to the bike rack in a restaurant parking lot ... they hacksawed through the lock shackle (not a u-lock, heavy cable with heavy padlock).
[23:25] <akk> locked to the bike rack on the back of my car, I meant to say
[23:25] <pleia2> I got a super ulock and a also wire lock for the front wheel, but I still don't like leaving it alone
[23:26] <akk> palo alto is probably more evil for bike theft than other local cities (university and lots of bikes).
[23:26] <jtatum> locks are a huge pain :( ulocks seem moreso to me
[23:26] <jtatum> it's like, man i already took the time to bike, now i have to fiddle with this stupid lock for an hour?
[23:27] <pleia2> and they're heavy!
[23:27] <akk> ulocks are great except some of them can be easily picked, and they can't go around wheels unless you remove the wheels.
[23:28] <akk> I keep thinking about painting the Giant with rust-colored paint, or some of that paint that looks like rocks, to make it even less attractive
[23:28] <crashsystems1> Lol
[23:28] <jtatum> i saw that bic pen lock hack. that was pretty sad. especially for anyone who got their bike stolen because of it
[23:28] <akk> but I guess it's unattractive enough now, hasn't been bothered locked with only a light cable and combo padlock.
[23:29] <jtatum> http://www.instructables.com/id/Anti-Theft-Bike-Painting/
[23:29] <akk> That Bic hack was especially amazing because until then. everybody thought those locks were nearly unpickable!
[23:29] <pleia2> I just hope having a half mountain bike in a city + 2 locks adds up to enough deterrent :)
[23:29] <pleia2> and it's "only" a $400 bike
[23:29] <akk> jtatum: Nice! I've also considered silver duct tape. :)
[23:30] <akk> Mine was more like $150, so I don't have to worry too much.
[23:31] <akk> I'd still be bummed if somebody stole it ... you can't get that Terry seat or overbar shifters any more.
[23:34] <jedahan> http://boingboing.net/2009/05/16/uglified-theft-resis.html :D
[23:35] <akk> Nice job!
[23:35] <akk> Though I almost always hold the camera to my eye and use the viewfinder when shooting digital, so I didn't get that part.
[23:36] <akk> (I know a lot of new crappy cameras don't have viewfinders, but good ones have them.)
[23:37] <akk> (*) no offense intended to owners of otherwise good cameras so new that they lack viewfinders, a few of which do exist
[23:38] <MarkDude> akk, your reasonableness tires me sometimes
[23:38] <jtatum> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7zb8YXrmIA
[23:39]  * kdub has a gps module on its way, and is good with microcontrollers. i want to put a gps tracker in my bike
[23:39] <jtatum> there are some kits to do that with APRS, kdub
[23:39] <kdub> kits are no fun
[23:40] <kdub> and actually, i'll probably put prototype #1 in my car
[23:40] <akk> There are some nice Arduino+GPS setups.
[23:40] <jtatum> aprs is good glue in any case
[23:41] <akk> I need to find a decent offline mapping android app so I can use my Archos as a GPS.