[04:20] <FASssl_> why do you get special treatment? that seems to be the only thing that you get from us respecting your gender. yet it is more than my gender gets most of the time. basically you are being controlled by men and exploited so that you have to work harder
[04:20] <FASssl_> and the family suffers
[04:21] <FASssl_> there is nothing you can say about asserting yourself that doesn't first remove man
[04:21] <maco> someone clearly can't read /topic
[04:21] <rww> someone clearly is Hoober.
[04:21] <maco> rww: aww i wanted to point out the LOGGED in all caps
[04:25] <rww> maco: channels being logged are less of a deterrant against trolls than some people think :\
[04:26] <maco> first one ive seen here
[04:26] <rww> maybe those two are oddballs even amongst trolls. I suspect they enjoy reading -ops logs, so...
[04:42] <elky> maco, that'd be fine if we, the select lucky few, weren't getting that in PM every few days.
[04:42] <elky> (or variations on the same theme)
[04:42] <maco> ew
[04:42] <maco> ive only gotten it once in pm
[09:25] <Tm_T> perhaps interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Female_participation
[09:49] <valorie> that is a good followup from inside
[09:49] <valorie> what is always missing from that sort of discussion, it seems to me, is: what is our goal? If it is more diversity, then we need to change our behavior
[09:49] <valorie> but they never seem to get around to that
[09:49] <valorie> discouraging
[09:52] <valorie> I guess it's just difficult for humans to get past defensiveness
[09:57] <Tm_T> valorie: hmm, I remember seen a mention of what's the goal in Wikipedia, just cannot say directly where
[10:00] <valorie> sure, but what people say, and what they are really working for..... sometimes the opposite
[10:00] <valorie> someone who is PROUD of removing articles?
[10:00] <valorie> that's crazy
[10:08] <hypatia> it's a common thing on wp, valorie
[10:08] <hypatia> "deletionists"
[10:10] <Tm_T> what I do not understand, is the folks who desire to delete pages because they're not complete
[10:11] <valorie> that seems bizarre to me, as well as the others allowing it
[10:11] <valorie> in incomplete page is just that
[10:11] <valorie> "needs more info"
[10:12] <hypatia> Tm_T: that's something different from deletionists
[10:14] <hypatia> who delete stuff for it being not notable
[10:30] <Tm_T> hypatia: I know, but still
[10:33] <hypatia> just being clear :)
[10:34] <hypatia> i think deleting "incomplete" pages regardless of notability is silly too
[10:40] <Tm_T> all the bureaucracy in Wikipedia has mostly kept me away from it
[10:46] <elky> Yeah, I see it as policy geek pile on. Not interested in that kthx.
[10:46] <valorie> I made some edits years ago, but who knows if they were erased or what
[10:47] <valorie> niters all
[10:47] <nigelb> valorie: I'm confusd whether to wish you good morning or good night ;)
[10:47] <elky> how about a good sleep?
[10:47] <nigelb> Yeah, that works.  Good sleep valorie :)
[13:15] <svaksha> For some years now, WP has become all about how aggressive you are in pushing forth your POV.