| Q-FUNK | RAOF: actually, the fix for geode's ZTV module is a lot simpler than that: we simply need to stop including "linux/videodev.h" and that's it. our driver is already V4L2. :) | 00:21 |
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| RAOF | Q-FUNK: Heh, ok. | 00:21 |
| RAOF | I admit, I didn't look any further than “ooh, V4L1. No-one will miss it if I just disable it” :) | 00:22 |
| RAOF | Anyone feel like sponsoring a final round of rebuilds for the X server? | 07:36 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: sure | 07:41 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: http://cooperteam.net/Packages | 07:42 |
| RAOF | Thanks. | 07:43 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: yeah, uploaded | 07:50 |
| RAOF | Ta. | 07:51 |
| apw | if one has nvidia h/w one does not get 3c in nouveau, is there a recipe for getting the gallium drivers for that ? (and do they indeed sort that out) | 12:08 |
| tjaalton | 3d, yes, install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental (or such, don't have the package name handy) | 12:18 |
| tjaalton | apw: ^ | 12:24 |
| apw | tjaalton, thanks | 12:53 |
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| apw | tjaalton, actually jockey offered that to me, and installed it, but it doesn't seem to work at all | 13:10 |
| tjaalton | apw: breaks stuff? which card do you have? | 13:11 |
| apw | tjaalton, no breakage, just classic desktop and unity saying 'software renderer in use' | 13:12 |
| apw | 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF100 [GeForce GTX 480] (rev a3) | 13:12 |
| apw | apparently | 13:12 |
| tjaalton | hmm, wonder if it's too new | 13:12 |
| apw | tjaalton, could well be ... such is life | 13:12 |
| tjaalton | Xorg.0.log should tell | 13:13 |
| tjaalton | kms works though? | 13:13 |
| apw | yeah it switches into high res i recon | 13:13 |
| tjaalton | k | 13:13 |
| apw | nouveau is kms only right ? | 13:13 |
| jcristau | yes | 13:14 |
| apw | [ 27.543] (--) NOUVEAU(0): Chipset: "NVIDIA NVc0" | 13:14 |
| tjaalton | ok, but does it load the DRI2 driver? | 13:14 |
| tjaalton | or even attempt that | 13:14 |
| apw | [ 27.426] (II) Loading extension DRI2 | 13:14 |
| apw | nothing to say if it worked or not | 13:14 |
| tjaalton | put the full log on pastebin | 13:15 |
| * apw should warn that this is a very new machine and quite possibly has stupidly new h/w | 13:15 | |
| apw | the kernel won't even boot the secondary cpus, not that that should matter | 13:16 |
| apw | pastebinit Xorg.0.log | 13:16 |
| apw | http://paste.ubuntu.com/563843/ | 13:16 |
| tjaalton | thanks | 13:16 |
| tjaalton | [ 28.528] (EE) NOUVEAU(0): Error initialising acceleration. Falling back to NoAccel | 13:16 |
| tjaalton | guess that's it then | 13:16 |
| tjaalton | and the line above | 13:19 |
| tjaalton | apw: the gallium driver for nvc0 was merged upstream on nov 12th, dunno if it's in 7.10 or not | 13:24 |
| apw | ah ... very very fresh then | 13:24 |
| jcristau | tjaalton: afaict it's not | 13:24 |
| tjaalton | jcristau: yep, latest commit from october | 13:25 |
| * apw will have to purchase an older one then and ram that in instead | 13:25 | |
| tjaalton | apw: xorg-edgers might have a newer mesa for you :) | 13:26 |
| tjaalton | yep | 13:29 |
| apw | how well does X cope with two cards inserted, different manufactueres, i'd be happy selecting one or other in some way; making a dual card test setup | 13:57 |
| jcristau | it sometimes work. | 13:58 |
| apw | jcristau, sounds like something to avoid then | 13:58 |
| marjo | apw, bryceh: FYI, I just submitted # 693093 | 15:05 |
| marjo | apw: thx | 15:06 |
| apw | bug #693093 | 15:06 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 693093 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[i945gme] 2.6.37-10.24: Black Screen on Boot (affects: 10) (heat: 136)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693093 | 15:06 |
| apw | marjo, thats an old bug ... | 15:07 |
| marjo | apw: sorry | 15:07 |
| marjo | apw, bryceh: # 714635 | 15:08 |
| marjo | apw, bryceh: #714635 | 15:09 |
| tjaalton | bug 714635 | 15:09 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 714635 in linux (Ubuntu) "[i945gme] 2.6.38-2: Black screen on boot (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714635 | 15:10 |
| apw | marjo, did you get the intel_reg_dumper outptu ? | 15:14 |
| marjo | apw: yes, attached it already | 15:14 |
| apw | marjo, to the right bug ? | 15:15 |
| apw | marjo, oh its mixed in with the apport stuff, didn't know you could do that | 15:16 |
| apw | marjo, we probally should get the Xorg.log.0 onto that bug as well | 15:29 |
| marjo | apw: done | 15:33 |
| apw | tjaalton, i'd say that that X startup has gotten stuck, HW cursor is not the last thing one sees on my boxes | 15:39 |
| tjaalton | apw: yeah | 15:41 |
| apw | marjo, i wonder if you are able to try an strace on the Xorg process once it is stuck | 15:43 |
| apw | to find out whether it thinks it is in the kernel | 15:43 |
| marjo | apw: sure, can you please give me specific directions? | 15:44 |
| apw | ps -ef | grep /X | 15:44 |
| apw | take the pid from that ... second column | 15:44 |
| tjaalton | could also try with 'Option "HWCursor" "off"' | 15:46 |
| marjo | apw: next? | 15:49 |
| apw | you wait while i recover the machine i tried the command out on (stupidly) from within X, no no no, supid | 15:49 |
| tjaalton | :) | 15:49 |
| apw | yeah i know, /me takes the dunce of the day hat and puts it on | 15:50 |
| tjaalton | need to run, back in 3,5h | 15:51 |
| apw | ok ... back. | 15:52 |
| apw | marjo, ok this should do the trick: sudo strace -p `pidof X` | 15:52 |
| apw | and see what that says | 15:52 |
| apw | not something one should run in an xterm, no not a good idea | 15:52 |
| marjo | apw: "attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): No such process" | 15:54 |
| marjo | apw: i'm doing this through ssh | 15:55 |
| apw | ps -ef | grep X | 15:55 |
| apw | whats the output of that look like | 15:55 |
| apw | marjo, ^^ | 15:57 |
| marjo | 1000 1298 1181 0 10:57 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto X | 15:57 |
| apw | so you have no X running at all then | 15:57 |
| marjo | apw: ack | 15:58 |
| apw | add that info to the bug, i would not not expect X to exit without telling us why it did so | 15:59 |
| apw | bryceh, ever heard of that ^^ | 15:59 |
| jcristau | can happen if it aborts e.g. because of a missing symbol | 16:00 |
| jcristau | would show up in gdm log | 16:00 |
| marjo | apw: what's weird is I can go into recovery mode/low graphics mode | 16:01 |
| apw | marjo, could we have the gdm log as well please | 16:01 |
| marjo | apw: will do in a few minutest, ok? | 16:01 |
| marjo | minutes, ok? | 16:01 |
| apw | no rush | 16:02 |
| marjo | apw: thx | 16:02 |
| marjo | apw: i see a few *.log and -slave.log files | 16:06 |
| marjo | apw: any specific one to upload to bug report? | 16:06 |
| apw | marjo, probabally :0.log | 16:06 |
| marjo | apw:ok, will do | 16:07 |
| marjo | apw: :0.log attached to bug #714635 | 17:21 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 714635 in linux (Ubuntu) "[i945gme] 2.6.38-2: Black screen on boot _after_ visible splash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714635 | 17:21 |
| jcristau | win. | 17:50 |
| jcristau | /usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so: undefined symbol: intel_batch_wait_last | 17:50 |
| jcristau | marjo: sounds like you have an obsolete version of the driver | 17:54 |
| marjo | jcristau: which driver? | 17:56 |
| jcristau | the one that's missing a symbol | 17:57 |
| jcristau | the xserver-xorg-video-intel package | 17:57 |
| marjo | jcristau: when you say obsolete, do you mean that i don't have an updated one? or is there a new one that i did NOT pick up? | 18:03 |
| jcristau | i mean that bug was fixed in 2:2.14.0-1ubuntu2 | 18:05 |
| marjo | jcristau: installed xserver-xorg-video-intel and now things are working! | 18:05 |
| marjo | jcristau, apw: thx much! | 18:07 |
| apw | marjo, yay ... | 18:07 |
| apw | jcristau, thanks for the help getting to the right log :) | 18:08 |
| jcristau | np | 18:08 |
| marjo | jcristau: was there a previous bug I can refer to in my bug report? | 18:08 |
| jcristau | none mentioned in the changelog afaict, so no idea | 18:08 |
| marjo | jcristau: that's too bad | 18:09 |
| marjo | so i'll just say fixed with xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.14.0-1ubuntu2, right? | 18:09 |
| marjo | so i'll just say fixed with xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.14.0-1ubuntu6, right? | 18:13 |
| bryceh | marjo, yes fixed with xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.14.0-1ubuntu2 | 18:24 |
| bryceh | marjo, that was an obvious issue we caught right away; we simply hadn't caught it before uploading due to insufficient testing | 18:25 |
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| RAOF | Mornin all. | 21:49 |
| jcristau | heya RAOF | 21:52 |
| RAOF | jcristau: Good $TIME_OF_DAY :) | 21:53 |
| jcristau | :) | 21:53 |
| RAOF | Hm. apw has an nvc0 card? Congratulations for volunteering to test the acceleration we may or may not merge in for those cards! | 21:54 |
| jcristau | it's a wheezy evening. | 21:55 |
| RAOF | I presume wheezy is currently in a mad state of flux? | 21:55 |
| jcristau | yeah | 21:56 |
| jcristau | sid got libreoffice today | 21:57 |
| jcristau | probably new compiler and libc soon.. | 21:58 |
| RAOF | Any coordination with our libreoffice maintainer? | 21:58 |
| jcristau | aiui your libreoffice packages were based on the ones in experimental | 21:59 |
| RAOF | Heh. Now sid's unfrozen I'll need an actual sid chroot for testing rather than everything going through the experimental one. Let's see if it's debootstrappable! | 21:59 |
| apw | RAOF, seems so ... its scheduled for an unscrewing and shoving in a box shortly for replacement with something supported, but happy to test | 22:04 |
| RAOF | apw: How well did it work (3D excepted) while it was in there? | 22:05 |
| RAOF | Did you notice that there was no 2D acceleration, for example :) | 22:05 |
| apw | RAOF, its still in there, runs in 2D well enough | 22:05 |
| apw | heh no, but the machine has a lot of CPU :) | 22:05 |
| RAOF | I suspect that correlates well with brand new GPUs :) | 22:06 |
| apw | RAOF, but if you have some test bits in a bucket somewhere please point me at it | 22:07 |
| RAOF | xorg-edgers has the test bits. | 22:07 |
| LLStarks | does ubuntu-x have a dedicated triage team like the the ubuntu mozilla squad? | 22:10 |
| apw | RAOF, ahh ok will try and get those one it, when i've bought something that it can drive other than the 37in tv in the front room | 22:11 |
| RAOF | No. We've got bryceh and his amazing band of arsenal scripts, though. | 22:11 |
| RAOF | apw: Yeah, no hurry. I'm not in a great rush to grab new libdrm, nouveau packages to speed up but possibly break new cards. | 22:12 |
| LLStarks | because i've been thinking about joining the ubuntu-x-swat team and i'm not sure if i have enough credentials | 22:12 |
| tjaalton | or quota for your inbox ;) | 22:17 |
| tjaalton | meh, wanted to try alpha2 & nouveau, but the dvd-drive seems broken | 22:18 |
| RAOF | LLStarks: You're welcome to start triaging, although we're actually pretty on top of it at the moment. | 22:18 |
| RAOF | What do you want to do in the swat team? | 22:20 |
| LLStarks | be mindful of my hardware and continue giving good reports regarding how stable and unstable bits affect said hardware | 22:25 |
| LLStarks | i know a little c, but i am not well-versed in the graphics stack to do any coding | 22:26 |
| RAOF | That can change :) | 22:28 |
| RAOF | A good way to learn how to give good reports is to look at what happens when bugs get upstreamed - what questions get asked, etc. | 22:30 |
| RAOF | Also, if you want to invest a little time then bisecting regressions is an excellent way to help get them fixed, and can get you a little familiarity with the build process. | 22:30 |
| LLStarks | i've been bisecting -intel as needed, getting proper kernel drm bits is more of a pain for me | 22:31 |
| RAOF | Yeah, that's quite awkward. | 22:32 |
| LLStarks | i've been looking for a good jumping in point for learning about the stack. drm, glx, xserver, etc | 22:34 |
| jcristau | usually a jumping in point is a bug that annoys you so much that you fix it. | 22:35 |
| LLStarks | had that the other day with libswscale. feels good man. | 22:37 |
| RAOF | The stack is actually a lot less complex than it looks from the outside. | 22:37 |
| bryceh | heya RAOF | 22:43 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Good evening. Or afternoon. | 22:44 |
| RAOF | Or whenever! | 22:44 |
| tjaalton | ok, alpha2 boots fine with a working media, but compiz fails after installing the nouveau gallium driver | 22:50 |
| tjaalton | compiz: nv50_pc_emit.c:863: emit_flop: Assertion `STYPE(i, 0) == 0x09' failed. | 22:50 |
| tjaalton | crashes there | 22:50 |
| tjaalton | and the livecd still offers to install the blob | 22:51 |
| tjaalton | thought it was disabled for now | 22:51 |
| RAOF | :( | 22:51 |
| RAOF | Yeah, so did I. | 22:51 |
| RAOF | Oh, actually - Jockey doesn't know about server ABIs. | 22:51 |
| tjaalton | right | 22:51 |
| RAOF | But I thought we *were* disabling it on the livecd. | 22:51 |
| tjaalton | and actually, talked with pitti about it and he | 22:51 |
| tjaalton | damn us layout | 22:52 |
| tjaalton | anyway pitti said he would add that support once the drivers itself had all the deps/breaks in place | 22:52 |
| tjaalton | the blobs, that is | 22:53 |
| RAOF | Ah, good. | 22:53 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: is mesa 7.10+git possible for natty? | 22:54 |
| tjaalton | will try edgers tomorrow to see if compiz works with it | 22:54 |
| RAOF | We can certainly try. We'll pull in 7.10.1. | 22:55 |
| tjaalton | sure, and this crasher is something that should be .1 material anyway | 22:56 |
| jcristau | assuming you trust the nouveau people to care about stable branches | 22:56 |
| tjaalton | hehe | 22:56 |
| tjaalton | anyway, 2D is very snappy on my 8600GT | 22:56 |
| RAOF | Well, if we can identify the fix, applying it hopefully won't be *too* hard. | 22:57 |
| RAOF | Yeah. Nouveau's 2D is excellent. | 22:57 |
| tjaalton | maybe ill just upgrade it lucid->natty anyway, compiz aint _that_ important | 22:59 |
| tjaalton | but tomorrow | 22:59 |
| RAOF | I think you might find that compiz will work as long as you're not loading unity. | 22:59 |
| tjaalton | oh, hmm | 23:00 |
| tjaalton | k, will play with it in the morning | 23:01 |
| tjaalton | night! -> | 23:01 |
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