[04:32] blahdeblah: ping [04:32] sagaci: pong [04:33] are there ubuntu layards for purchase? [04:33] lan* [04:33] Not that i know of, but i'm no expert... [04:34] and so was it $3 for each sticker set? [04:37] sagaci: Did i send you some already? [04:38] no [04:38] If it's just one set inside a CD, it's $1.20 [04:38] But i'm running very low now - will have to check with head_victim to see if there are any more hanging around. [04:39] yeah, ok. what about postage [08:49] hey, could we hold my topic til around 8:30pm aest? [08:49] sorry [08:50] nevermind, time zones screwing my head over.. i'll be there in time [08:50] Hah it's ok, I understand your time zone pain :/ [08:50] no, yes, maybe, pizza, coconuts....bing...zipp....ah....pop....zing [08:57] ikt, are you all set for the meeting? you have a majority of the topics after all [09:02] nisshh, all set?! [09:03] probably not, it's just a few discussion points and i'll see where we go from there [09:12] ikt, oh right, so you didnt actually have anything to say you just wanted to be the one to bring up the topics and get credit for it, right... [09:14] I'm just hopeful we get more people along holding it earlier :) [09:14] i declare shinnanigans! [09:15] nisshh, credit for what? [09:15] head_victim, that wont help much if we dont get much discussion *shrugs* [09:15] ikt, nvm [09:16] nisshh, if you want to talk about the topics you can if you want? [09:16] so when is the meeting? [09:17] ikt, no, im good, thanks [09:17] ikt, im just chairing, i no longer take part in discussions actively [09:18] didnt you read my mail to the list? [09:18] why? [09:18] ikt, personal preference [09:19] ah yes [09:19] I just checked your email then [09:19] heh [09:19] ikt, consider me the neutral 3rd party in the meeting [09:20] yeah nps :) [09:20] :) [09:21] dns-xo: 30 mins or so? [09:21] head_victim, its 40, going by my clock [09:21] dns-xo, ^^^ [09:24] elky: is there some sort of appropriate licensing we should use for the Artwork wiki page? I've had people ask about reprinting the cards you designed so I thought if we could add a note about licensing that would make it clear? [09:25] head_victim: I would image something along the lines of CC license [09:25] Phlosten: yeah cc-sa? [09:26] wasnt there some change to the wiki that basically stated everything fell under a certain CC license.... === glen_ is now known as Fredlxiii [09:28] Phlosten: madly looking now [09:28] although if you look at the bottom of the wiki page layout it says copyright canonical now [09:28] http://www.ubuntu.com/legal is as close as I can get [09:31] found this online: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntu-wiki-lock-in/ [09:32] Maybe we should just skip the Artwork page and upload directly to spreadubuntu.com [09:33] you could place on wiki, but I would tag it with appropriate license [09:34] otherwise it appears the matter is quite fuzzy [09:34] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-September/009231.html leads to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License?action=show&redirect=Licence which leads to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiLicensing [09:36] So https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiLicensing/TeamWiki is relevant to us [09:37] yes [09:37] Appears to only be a discussion at this point [09:37] CC-BY-SA sounds like a good one though [09:38] then take it as the same as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License?action=show&redirect=Licence [09:39] So I might add a link to that in the introduction to the artwork page so everyone is clear and can be sure [09:39] they have picked CC-BY-SA, just some further discussion regarding relicensiing [09:41] Yeah, there's oddly enough legal implications about licencing stuff as something when it was created before the date of licence choice. [09:46] Note added - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Artwork [09:46] I'm still thinking I might just link to the poster sized one because it kinda makes the page HUGELY wide. [09:54] nisshh, damn you [09:54] you've made me think I've gone about this all the wrong way [09:55] There's a wrongway? [09:55] maybe [09:55] ikt, what? [09:55] I duno, we'll find out tonight :D [09:55] huh? [09:55] your email [09:55] what about it? [09:56] it sets a precedent [09:56] a not very good one [09:56] i assure you, you have not gone about this the wrong way [09:56] =) [09:56] ikt, that email was my own thoughts, if anyone takes anything out of it, then thats just stupid [09:57] welllll kind of [09:57] it sort of fits in with a lot of other stuff [09:57] which when viewed all together [09:57] looks not so good [09:58] ikt, can you pm me after the meeting? i wish to talk about this [09:58] sure :) [09:58] thanks [09:58] I disagree with nisshh's thoughts on the outcome but yeah, for another time I'd suggest. [09:58] blahdeblah, my stickers still haven't arrived :( [09:58] I assume they got stuck in Adelaide traffic [09:58] head_victim, im not surprised, i never expect people to agree with me :) [10:00] Evening jellyware [10:00] * nisshh waves to jellyware [10:00] hey head_victim [10:00] hey nisshh [10:00] adelaide has traffic? [10:00] head_victim, we should kick this off in a minute [10:01] nisshh: anytime now is good for me :D [10:01] ok [10:01] lets start then [10:01] #startmeeting [10:01] Meeting started at 04:01. The chair is nisshh. [10:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [10:01] who is here? [10:01] o/ [10:02] * ikt whistles [10:02] presently present [10:02] head_victim, dns-xo, jellyware, elky? [10:02] heya sagaci :) [10:02] MootBot obviously doesn't understand timezones [10:02] i'm here [10:02] * head_victim waves [10:03] ok [10:03] not many then [10:03] * blahdeblah waves [10:03] first topic [10:03] agenda [10:03] First time in ages i've actually made it to the meeting! Do i get a prize? :-P [10:03] [TOPIC]Details on how LCA2011 went [10:03] New Topic: Details on how LCA2011 went [10:03] head_victim, go for it [10:03] blahdeblah, no :) [10:03] * blahdeblah sulks [10:03] Well for all who have been hiding under a rock for the last 2 months the details are all now available here [10:03] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane [10:04] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane [10:04] I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who attended and made the day as successful as it could have been considering the last minute venue changes, etc. [10:04] * blahdeblah downloads elky's report [10:04] sucks that i couldnt be there [10:04] I think we did have an impact on some people and I think we did raise awareness of the team. [10:05] it's in simple language for distribution to non-native-english-speaking teams [10:05] And I'm sure we all got a good chance to say Gday and put faces to names, etc. [10:05] yeah - that part was really god [10:05] good [10:05] it was fun [10:05] Now what I would like to do is to make sure we don't just leave it at a count of one open day for the year. [10:05] dns-xo won an XO! :-) [10:05] :) [10:06] I would like to think we as a team could hold more of these throughout the year in different locations [10:06] head_victim, you mean a meetup? [10:06] I like that idea [10:06] nisshh: both meetups and stands at public venues. [10:06] oh right, yep [10:07] Is that part of this agenda item? I have some more input on that, but should we leave it until a different topic? [10:07] head_victim, i dont know what other events we could do stands at though [10:07] I will be working towards putting up a wiki "howto run a conference" so to try and make it easier for others to set them up locally [10:07] head_victim: Sounds good [10:07] sorry not hwoto run a conference, but howto run a booth in a public venue. [10:07] heh [10:07] sounds good [10:07] nice [10:07] we knew what you meant... :-) [10:07] And that way I can list the resources we as a team now have. [10:08] By resources I mean posters and stuff, they have been laminated so can be used multiple times just need to pay for postage [10:08] head_victim, maybe link it to the projects page or something [10:08] potential suppliers of resources etc [10:08] make it easy to find, etc [10:08] bribes help [10:08] Yep, so once again, thanks all for your help. I think that's me covered unless people have questions? [10:09] I would like to extend a big thank you to head_victim for his work on the open day stuff, it was teh awesome! and also organising the dinner during the week of LCA [10:09] From the perspective of the conference overall, there was great feedback in general [10:10] I was part of the volunteer team, and i had a great time helping out [10:10] I wish i could do it more often! [10:10] head_victim, anything to add about the Open Day itself? [10:10] there is a subtopic on the meetings page [10:10] thanks to head_victim too for distributing the unused cds. appreciated [10:10] jellyware: glad you can use them, they are the only thing we have that really have an expiry date of sorts [10:11] the open day stand was great. a lot of the other 'stands' were very slap dash last minute stuff, was good to see professional looking posters etc [10:11] Yeah - it would be great if we could get those CDs out & about before they're useless [10:11] head_victim, ok, that everything then? [10:11] i will put a note on the mailing list later if anyone wants one for free... [10:12] my only suggestion was that maybe at the open day next year we focus on displaying something in particular that Ubuntu does. that demonstrates well [10:12] ill take that as a yes [10:12] If anyone has any other ideas as to what groups could use a large number of Ubuntu CDs I'm all ears. [10:12] Phlosten: good idea. [10:12] nisshh: take it away :D [10:12] ok [10:12] [TOPIC]Getting an Australian forum added to: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=183 [10:12] New Topic: Getting an Australian forum added to: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=183 [10:12] ikt, shoot [10:12] ok! [10:12] as an example, this year the openSUSE people were focusing on displaying their build system [10:12] nisshh: back up a bit [10:13] Phlosten, most of that was generated by the LCA printer asploding mid-run. Most of the 'slap dash" stands were supposed to have a1 or thereabouts prints of branding etc. [10:13] blahdeblah, what? [10:13] I still have about 20 or so CDs left from the box head_victim gave me [10:13] blahdeblah, post it to the mailing list [10:13] OK [10:13] elky: ah rightio, didnt catch that, but it was good that head_victim had the posters pre-organised before that week [10:13] maximum amount of people will hear about it then [10:14] ikt, alright, go for it [10:14] alrighty, most of what I'm saying will tie into the next topic [10:14] anyways I was going over some ubuntu auish stuff [10:14] managed to download the entire mailling list archive [10:14] and saw it was a wee bit more active in the past [10:14] Phlosten, being local helps that lots ;) [10:15] there was even a discussion on having a forum [10:15] which was shot down because people like the mailling list [10:15] as a very active ubuntuforum goer, I see a lot more australians there than I do on the mailling list or in this channel [10:15] ikt, i do remember that [10:15] ikt: interesting. [10:15] I have run into people in real life who use ubuntu every day and are on the ubuntuforums, but haven't heard of this loco [10:16] elky: maybe there is a suggestion for the LCA people for next year....place request for orders of posters before the LCA week, open day people can pick them up during the event [10:16] Phlosten, LA *owns* a large format printer. [10:16] I briefly last year put a message in my forum sig to advertise the ubuntu au 'group' [10:16] I hate web forums with a passion - does ubuntuforums.org have a mail or newsgroup gateway? [10:16] which is disabled atm because of forum hardware issues [10:16] no blahdeblah :( [10:16] blahdeblah, dont think so [10:16] Pity [10:16] Phlosten, it got lost thanks to the floods. They then borrowed one last minute from somewhere and one of the 8 heads blew. It won't work with 7 heads. Spare heads were hard to fish for ;) [10:16] What I'm trying to get at is that it's not really aimed at you [10:17] It's entirely possible to have people on the mailling list and on the forums [10:17] and I think the 2 of them can help each other to a degree [10:17] indeed [10:17] meeting still on? [10:17] looking at this: [10:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Web%20Forums [10:17] sagaci: yep, up to agenda item 2 [10:17] ikt, you want to attract people on the forums to the loco who dont know about it, correct? [10:17] yes in general [10:18] ikt: Are those forums only available to official LoCos? [10:18] I don't believe so [10:18] Cool [10:18] ikt, have you made any headway in trying to get us a subforum on there? [10:18] I would support a subforum [10:18] I setup a forum using php bb the other day. really easy [10:19] [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingForum doesn't mention it has to be an approved team [10:19] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingForum doesn't mention it has to be an approved team [10:19] well, the forum the loco would get would be a subforum inside the loco part of the forum [10:19] can you get it to email you when there's a new topic? [10:19] yeah, but the reason I ask about it being a sub forum [10:19] Phlosten, which would take it up to 4 seperate communities we need to maintain [10:19] blahdeblah, there are some email options yes [10:19] it because we automatically gain membership access that everyone on the forum already has [10:19] the channels here, the lists, the google group forum and the ubuntu forum [10:20] I wouldn't mind modding it if need be, going over other sub forums [10:20] ikt: I assume you are offering to help out with the admin background stuff if need be? [10:20] currently mails to the list go to the google group forum, so there's less duplication when it comes to announcing stuff [10:20] yeah definitely [10:20] I would use ubuntuforums.org if it we had a fairly low-volume forum and the system emailed me when there was a new topic, and also emailed me replies on threads i had participated in. [10:20] Ok, how much of a type of forum is the google group thing? [10:21] not like a forum at all [10:21] blahdeblah: you can sub to threads if you want [10:21] head_victim: It's just a mail<->web<->newsgroup gateway [10:21] and it splits us off from the main ubuntu forums [10:21] elky: the google groups is just a gateway to the mailing list right? [10:21] Phlosten, it's a forum-like interface for it [10:22] AFAIK [10:22] who set it up? [10:22] blahdeblah, I do believe you can do this on ubuntu forums, at worst an rss feed [10:22] head_victim: Yeah, but i want it to *automatically* subscribe me to threads i've commented on, and otherwise only bother me when there's a new topic [10:22] ikt: RSS is not even close to an option [10:22] and does it get used? [10:22] Phlosten: anyone can set it up [10:22] It's bi-directional [10:22] blahdeblah: I think it's a tick box when you add a reply [10:22] yama did but he's pulled out of managing it. head_victim has mod of it currently afaik [10:22] Phlosten: So you can post on either one [10:23] elky: yeah I check it semi -regularly to ensure new members are not spammers [10:23] blahdeblah, I really quite certain you can set that up [10:23] I'm not sure how talking about Google groups is that relevant to this topic. [10:23] I had an issue where I was 'subscribed' to many active threads and it destroyed my mailbox, I don't think that will be an issue with the au sub forum though [10:23] blahdeblah, it's a forum that already exists. [10:23] that's how it's relevant. [10:23] blahdeblah: I was just asking how muhc like a forum it is [10:23] the only thing I would add would be it might still cast a barrier to entry for some people, that are confused about the group<>mailing list integration [10:24] elky: I thought the topic was getting us more visible on ubuntuforums.org [10:24] to save a large amount of time from being argued away, who is for having the forum and who is against? [10:24] +1 ? [10:24] isnt there a vote thingo? [10:25] do we want a vote now then? [10:25] I'd be willing to try it out for a while and see how it goes? [10:25] [VOTE] [10:25] sagaci, Only the meeting chair can do that [10:25] sagaci, hehe [10:25] blahdeblah, and i thought it was "lets get an ubuntu-au sub forum" [10:25] I'm definitely not against it. I just don't expect i'll use it much. But that's not a vote against. [10:25] nice try sagaci :D [10:25] who's chair - nisshh? [10:25] blahdeblah, yes [10:25] ok, lets vote [10:25] if the effort required to set it up is minimal and there is someone willing to look after it, if it does indeed need looking after, then there could be value in doing it [10:26] yeah i was just seeing what happens when you do it [10:26] Hello. [10:26] blahdeblah, yeah exactly, that's what I'm thinking, I don't really see a down side to it, even if it doesn't get used much [10:26] ikt: agree [10:26] ikt: You volunteering to monitor it? [10:26] sure :) [10:26] +1 on the basis it actually becomes useful we can always ask for it to be closed if it's a real issue. [10:26] * blahdeblah waves to bwright [10:26] [VOTE]Should we set up a sub forum on ubuntufoums.org? [10:26] Please vote on: Should we set up a sub forum on ubuntufoums.org?. [10:26] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [10:26] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-au [10:26] +1 [10:26] +1 received from ikt. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [10:26] +1 [10:26] +1 received from blahdeblah. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [10:26] I would probably browse the forum regularly if I knew it was there [10:26] -1 it's fragmentation of an already fragmented community [10:26] +1 [10:26] +0 [10:26] +1 received from head_victim. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [10:26] -1 received from elky. 3 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [10:26] Abstention received from nisshh. 3 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 [10:26] +0 [10:26] +1 [10:26] Abstention received from sagaci. 3 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2 [10:26] +1 received from jellyware. 4 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3 [10:26] Ah meeting I randonly turned up to again! [10:26] +1 [10:26] +1 received from Phlosten. 5 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4 [10:26] bwright: indeed :D [10:27] ok [10:27] +1 but i do not have time to read it myself [10:27] +1 received from dns-xo. 6 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 5 [10:27] [ENDVOTE] [10:27] Final result is 6 for, 1 against. 2 abstained. Total: 5 [10:27] elky: If ikt is right and there are lots of .au people there who don't know about the team, then i see it as an opportunity to bring more people in. [10:27] I can volunteer to moderate along with someone else [10:27] ikt, are you willing to get in touch with the forum people and organize it then? [10:27] can do :) [10:27] From the looks it needs to come from elky [10:27] There is a team now o.O [10:28] head_victim, yeah probably [10:28] bwright, we grow up so fast :) [10:28] bwright: please explain [10:28] ikt, they might need elky to be a part of the organising (she is team contact) [10:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingForum states the team contact needs to be the one requesting it on the forum. [10:28] head_victim, oh right [10:28] elky, you willing to sort it out then? [10:28] blahdeblah: /s/o\.0/\?/ [10:28] It states that only 2 people can mod but doesn't state it has to be the team contact that mods [10:29] I'm sure they can have more mods [10:29] head_victim, yeah, it's crippled and messy. yay fragmentation [10:29] bwright: regex not found [10:29] blahdeblah: s/\/// [10:29] ikt: nope, states max of 2 [10:29] elky: supposedly a hardware upgrade in the winds somewhere? [10:29] they're using proprietary forum software [10:30] head_victim, that's not going to change the licence of the software. [10:30] I'm confused [10:30] It's not like we can affect that choice [10:30] Ah I was referring to the recent crippling of some areas of the forum [10:30] ok, so i guess if elky doesnt want the forum, we all have to go without [10:30] I have grown fond of the mailing list. [10:30] nisshh, whaaa? [10:30] nisshh: ? [10:31] bwright, yeah I like the mailling list, I don't want the mailling list to go away [10:31] I disagree with forums as well why not just add a wiki page showing people how to use mailing lists. [10:31] I just want to open shop in the ubuntuforums [10:31] elky, you voted -1 and dont wish to fragment the loco further, so i assumed you dont want a forum [10:31] bwright: i agree, but some people like it [10:31] bwright, because you're looking at the wrong people [10:31] o.0 I get 500 emails a day I guess.. :/ [10:31] nisshh: the team contact has to request it doesn't mean they have to be over the moon for it. [10:31] nisshh, so? [10:31] elky, and your the only one who can request one, so if you dont, we all miss out [10:31] Filters :) [10:32] nisshh, who the heck said that? [10:32] elky, nvm, ignore me [10:32] I think I will if you're going to kick me in the face like that. [10:32] nisshh, i think you just overreacted to the -1 vote [10:32] elky: nisshh is just asking if you're ready to put aside your objections and request it. You've not indicated as yet that you're willing to do anything about it. [10:33] sagaci, no, i abstained, i dont give a crap [10:33] We should just get a bot to feed the RSS of the forum into the mailing list. [10:33] Some forums have that set up anyway [10:33] blahdeblah, thankyou, thats exactly what i was trying to say [10:33] But then again ick it would be messy as hell. [10:33] bwright: That sounds like a recipe for disaster [10:33] Indeed. [10:33] bwright, you're confusing the issue [10:33] the 2 can help each other [10:33] they don't have to joined at the hip[ [10:33] blahdeblah, wait what? I've missed something here. When did I get given the option to veto the whole team? [10:33] to be* [10:34] if you want to visit the forum cool, if you want to use the mailing list that's cool to [10:34] elky, it says on the wiki, only you (the team contact) can request a forum [10:34] Well I have been reading a normal phpbb3 forum for the last 6 years at least once a week so I don't really care. [10:34] all the main annoucements will be on the mailling list [10:34] you didn't, but nisshh is asking for an affirmation that you will request the forum [10:34] nisshh, and what makes you think I would veto the whole team? [10:34] elky: The fact that you haven't said a good word about it during this meeting [10:34] elky, nothing, i originally asked you for an answer so we could move on [10:35] but now we just wasted 10 minutes arguing [10:35] because you thought i was kicking you in the face [10:35] nisshh: clearing up misunderstanding is not arguing [10:35] blahdeblah, i'm not obliged to say anything good about something that has no redeeming features. I signed a code of conduct though, which obliges me to respect the team vote. [10:35] blahdeblah, point taken, wasting time all the same [10:36] elky, will you help me setup the forums? [10:36] sub-forum* [10:36] so what's happening [10:36] ikt, sure. [10:36] great!!! [10:36] \o/ [10:36] ok [10:36] can we move on or do you have more to say ikt? [10:37] nope that's everything and a bit I think [10:37] ok [10:37] Sounds like we'll set up the sub forum and see how it goes :) [10:37] I remember this discussion like a year ago lol. We take our time to get things done lol [10:37] ikt: I'll help out where needed to, if it needs moderation or such [10:37] [TOPIC]Making 2011 the year for re-approval [10:37] New Topic: Making 2011 the year for re-approval [10:37] ikt, go for it [10:37] ok so [10:37] with the sub-forum thing, the main point being more visible [10:37] I went over this thingo [10:38] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-May/006166.html [10:38]