/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/08/#ubuntu-beginners.txt

shawn146how do i hit aply/00:00
MrChrisDruifAlternative install right?00:00
shawn146apply00:00
shawn146yea00:00
shawn146text mode install00:00
shawn146from ubuntu 10.10 dvd00:00
MrChrisDruifThere's e: Exit something: Apply in the bottom00:00
shawn146yea..00:03
shawn146idk how to get there00:03
shawn146i tried shift 100:03
shawn146it looks like it applied00:03
shawn146is that all?00:04
shawn146do i quit now?00:07
=== zkriesse is now known as Zoda
=== Zoda is now known as zkriesse
shawn146would i just quit Zoda?00:37
shawn146*zkriesse00:37
zkriesseI have no idea man00:38
zkriesseI've not done the minimal install before00:38
shawn146oh00:38
zkriesseSo I don't wanna say anything for fear of messing you up00:38
shawn146...00:38
shawn146i just quit00:40
shawn146atpitude00:40
paultagaveilleux: prod01:04
shawn146whats teh metal taht is easy to melt and stars witha  p01:05
paultagshawn146: erm, what?01:05
shawn146somethign we used in shop class in middle school01:06
shawn146i forgot the name of it01:06
paultagthere's Pb -- lead01:06
paultagbut I bet you don't use that01:06
paultagshawn146: what did you do with it?01:06
aveilleuxpaultag: pong01:06
shawn146use low power pots01:07
paultagaveilleux: someone in -dev was asking about accessibility, figured I'd poke you01:07
shawn146to metl the P something and it pours into clay molds like fancy chess pieces01:07
shawn146*melt01:07
aveilleuxpaultag: What about accessibility? Not really my forte01:07
shawn146and solidifies very fast01:07
paultagaveilleux: oh crap, who was I confusing you with01:08
aveilleuxshawn146: pewter?01:08
shawn146an yes01:08
shawn146thank you01:08
paultagBillg: just a moment01:08
shawn146*ah01:08
* JackyAlcine is drowning in blueprints, translations and hundreds of lines of codes.01:09
JackyAlcineGah!01:09
paultagBillg: the person I thought was on the acc team turns out not to be here. I totally screwed up. I'd try #ubuntu-accessibility   :(01:09
gunndawgJackyAlcine: take a deep breath01:10
gunndawg:)01:10
* JackyAlcine inhales01:11
* JackyAlcine chokes on a segmentation fault.01:11
gunndawgeh oh, segfault?01:11
gunndawgno bueno01:11
paultaghttp://xkcd.com/371/01:11
gunndawghaha01:12
gunndawgthats awesome01:12
JackyAlcinethat's something that gets bookmarked. :D01:12
gunndawgindeed01:12
gunndawgJackyAlcine: what are you working on ?01:13
JackyAlcinehttps://www.launchpad.net/cmusphinx-train01:13
JackyAlcineOriginally, I was using Qt, but my head adviser wanted 100% ATK, so I moved to GTKmm.01:14
JackyAlcineAnd RefPtrs are NOT meant to be made global; gah.01:14
gunndawgJackyAlcine: aye01:15
gunndawgJackyAlcine: Top Contributors: Jack Alcine 37 points :)01:15
JackyAlcine:D01:16
gunndawgJacky I am workin on a p2p client01:17
gunndawgthat pulls its search results from frostwire, and emule01:17
gunndawgand maybe limewire01:17
aveilleuxgunndawg: So it's a GNUtella client01:17
gunndawgaveilleux: essentially, yes01:17
JackyAlcinegunndawg: That sounds superhandy.01:18
JackyAlcineProbably even more increased download/upload speeds, no?01:18
gunndawgJackyAlcine: I dont know how it will turn out, yet, we'll see ;)01:18
gunndawgif I can tap emules, and frostwires pipes without having to authenticate with them, then yes, it should be a bit quicker01:19
aveilleuxgunndawg: Can't you connect to the networks directly and save the piping?01:19
gunndawgaveilleux: yeah but thats no fun ;)01:20
aveilleuxgunndawg: And more legal...01:20
gunndawgaveilleux: bah, thats the boring way ;)01:21
distort3dQuestion, Wich is beter openbox or fluxbox?01:29
paultagdistort3d: given my own personal distort3d view, fluxbox01:30
distort3dOk thanks.01:31
aveilleuxdistort3d: fluxbox is much more user-friendly.01:32
shawn146hmm01:32
shawn146do i need Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud (instance)?01:33
gunndawgfor what shawn146 ?01:34
shawn146for nothing01:34
gunndawgshawn146: do you need it for nothing? I guess not01:37
distort3dgksu doesnt work in fluxbox?01:51
=== JoeSett is now known as JoeMaverickSett
johnny77why would update manager not allow me to update something? It shows an update, but won't let me check the box.01:52
distort3dtry in terminal01:53
distort3dsudo apt-get upgrade01:53
shawn146what is it used fir>'01:54
shawn146*for01:54
johnny77http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/564169/01:55
johnny77it's for docky.01:55
Billgok... so i can run current devel release as main work enviroment by doing sudo update-manager -d?01:56
JoeMaverickSettjohnny77: try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"01:56
shawn146no i mean Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud (instance)01:56
johnny77JoeMaverickSett: why did that work?01:57
JoeMaverickSettjohnny77: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18330 <-- this explains it better than i could01:58
JoeMaverickSettjohnny77: and you could "man apt-get" and scroll down to "dist-upgrade" section shall explain you more. :)02:00
shawn146what is Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud (instance)02:01
JackyAlcineshawn146: It's like Ubuntu One, but for business.02:02
JackyAlcineor other large-scale commerical computing needs.02:02
shawn146oh02:02
shawn146so nothing that iw oud use02:03
JackyAlcineshawn146: Perhaps.02:03
shawn146ok02:04
shawn146what aout DNS server?02:04
shawn146*about02:04
aveilleuxshawn146: What kind of machine is this?02:05
shawn146its a toshiba satellite02:06
shawn146laptop02:06
shawn146odler02:06
shawn146like when XP was mainline02:06
gunndawgshawn146: I have a Toshiba Satellite but its a new one :)02:07
aveilleuxshawn146: No, I mean what are you using it for. Desktop use? A Web server?02:08
shawn146installing ubuntu on it for a froemd02:10
shawn146*friend02:10
aveilleuxshawn146: That doesn't answer my question.... so, desktop use?02:11
shawn146yea02:11
shawn146mroe or less02:11
shawn146for browseign02:11
shawn146and him to learn to use02:12
aveilleuxshawn146: You don't need any of the things you're talking about then02:12
paultag02:12 <+aveilleux> shawn146: You don't need any of the things you're talking about then02:21
paultagOh jeez02:21
paultagdamn mouse02:21
paultagshawn146: aveilleux knows a ton, don't get on her case, dude02:21
paultagshawn146: and she's here on her time working to help people like you02:21
paultagshawn146: so cut her some slack, mang02:21
aveilleuxpaultag: Get on... whose case02:22
aveilleuxdid I miss something?02:22
paultagOh holy jesus christ02:22
paultagaveilleux: shawn146: sorry dudes, I'm drunk. I thought you ( shawn146 ) were giving aveilleux crap02:22
paultagI did not read that02:22
* paultag goes away02:22
paultagmy bad, sorry shawn14602:23
paultagcarry on02:23
aveilleuxgeezum crow02:23
paultagmy bad! my bad!02:23
aveilleuxlol paultag, no harm no foul02:24
JackyAlcinelol, why are you on IRC if you're drunk?02:25
paultagJackyAlcine: dude, it's fun as fuck02:26
JackyAlcinelol, I think running around Manhattan's upper side at 3 in the morning is as fun as that. :D02:26
aveilleuxlanguage | paultag02:26
aveilleuxer02:26
aveilleux!language | paultag02:26
ubot2paultag: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.02:26
aveilleuxpaultag: this isn't -team :P02:27
JackyAlcinelol. it isn't.02:27
paultagnoted duly :)02:27
JackyAlcinerandom: I might go to the UDS-002:27
gpcDon't drink and paultag kids. See what happens when you do :P02:28
HoboSteauxmy /dev now shows sd[a-h][1-15] anyone have this issue before02:28
paultaggpc: :P02:29
JackyAlcineHoboSteaux: Like one file called sd[a-h][1-15]?02:30
HoboSteauxno, separate instances02:30
JackyAlcineHoboSteaux: That's normal.02:30
JackyAlcineI believe.02:31
HoboSteauxnot on any of my other nix boxes02:31
JackyAlcinehm, wait that isn't.02:31
HoboSteauxive never seen 120 sdX's before02:31
distort3di only have that with ram [1-15]02:31
HoboSteaux:P02:31
JackyAlcineWhat drives do you have installed?02:31
HoboSteaux1 drive, it was perfectly stable for 3 months02:31
HoboSteauxits over usb02:32
distort3dlooks like a scrambled egg02:32
* JackyAlcine has a dark past with external hard drives. **shudders**02:32
HoboSteauxheh02:32
shawn146hmm02:33
JackyAlcineBut yes, a scrambled egg indeed, although I'm not sure as to why that's happening.02:33
shawn146ok sorry back02:33
HoboSteauxsomeone suggested bad interface, i know its not the HD (tried on other comps)02:34
JackyAlcineperhaps.02:34
HoboSteauxive had limeted success with resetting02:35
shawn146which one of these do i need?http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n436/shawn146/100_1631.jpg02:42
JoeMaverickSettshawn146: for a normal use, i don't think you need a DNS, LAMP and mail servers ?02:43
aveilleuxshawn146: None of hem except Ubuntu Desktop02:44
aveilleuxshawn146: Why are you using the server installation disc?02:44
shawn146i'm not02:45
shawn146i am using a dvd02:45
aveilleuxshawn146: ....why are you using a DVD then\\02:45
shawn146sicne dvd+rw's are my last hope02:45
gunndawgshawn146: why are you trying to install ubuntu server ?02:45
shawn146of installing02:45
shawn146i'm not02:45
distort3djust select desktop & openssh, deselect rest02:45
shawn146i looked for ubuntu 32-bit dvd download02:45
shawn146this is an older machine02:45
shawn146is this really server?02:46
aveilleuxshawn146: Yes, that's the server installation02:46
shawn146what02:46
JoeMaverickSettwhy a DVD? it would have worked with just a CD.02:46
aveilleuxshawn146: Why are you using a DVD? You can burn a CD ISO to a DVD.02:46
shawn146i just selected a different install mode for Ubuntu 10.1002:46
distort3dgood point, but the standard iso need to be on a DV also so why not burn a full DVD with the DVD image :P02:47
shawn146i tried that aveilleux and nero would not permit it02:47
shawn146so i spent 40 minutes downlloading and burning02:47
shawn146i want to get ubuntu on this02:47
shawn146my friend needs his laptop tomorrow ;/02:48
aveilleuxshawn146: ...then don't use Nero, it's a terrible program02:48
shawn146i ahve tried Image burn too02:48
aveilleuxshawn146: Imgburn should have let you02:48
shawn146its looking for the correct disc format for the iso02:48
distort3dwoot i found my mobile phone nokia 1011 i lost it years ago02:56
distort3dit was one of the first mobile phones, maybe they can unlock it now :|02:58
shawn146hmm03:06
shawn146i am stuck >.<03:06
shawn146idk what to do know03:06
tool88i installed ubuntu to a flash drive so i can take it to school but i have no gui03:07
shawn146is it possible to boot the cd iso off of a dvd?03:07
holsteintool88: what machine? i would look at the graphics card03:08
shawn146hey holstein03:08
holsteinmaybe make an xorg.conf that uses vesa03:08
holsteinshawn146: o/ :)03:08
tool88its my acer that im using a crt03:08
tool88i wasnt sure if i did something wrong03:08
holsteintool88: i wouldnt rule it out ;)03:09
tool88the boot screen looks like the recovery sscreen03:09
holsteintool88: i am assuming several things03:09
aveilleuxtool88: Graphics card, not monitor03:09
holsteinthat you actually installed something with a desktop03:09
tool88yeah im not ruling out operator error03:09
holsteinusing the normal live CD03:09
holsteinor whatever03:09
holsteintool88: you could get a live CD03:10
holsteinor USB03:10
holsteinat boot, hit shift03:10
holsteinthen F603:10
holsteinthen use the nomodeset setting03:10
tool88tried that03:10
holsteinIF this were a USB stick i wanted to just boot in any machine03:10
holsteini would probably force vesa driver03:11
holsteintool88: do tell..03:11
tool88ok didnt try that sorry but ill give it a shot03:11
tool88yeah03:11
=== JoeSett is now known as JoeMaverickSett
holsteinim not a crazy savy X guy03:11
holsteinso, sometimes, i try a knoppix disc03:12
holsteinand grab the xorg.conf from there03:12
shawn146ok back03:12
shawn146is it possible?03:12
shawn146if it is i want ot try it xD03:12
tool88yeah i wanted to take it to school as the computers arnt really mine till i graduate03:12
tool88ok well you threw a bunch of things at me im going to have to google03:13
holsteinshawn146: you can burn a DVD03:13
holsteinwith the cd iso03:13
holstein*should be able to03:13
shawn146how03:13
tool88its tough leaving a windows world03:13
shawn146i am going to try this on anotehr dvd+rw03:13
holsteintool88: try going back after a while03:13
holsteinthats tougher03:13
holsteinshawn146: just fire it up, and cook it03:13
shawn146ok03:14
shawn146i threw another one in03:14
tool88unetbootin will do it03:14
holsteinyeah, unet dont care03:14
tool88always burn your disk at lowest speed03:14
shawn146lowest?03:14
* holstein throws caution to the wind ;)03:14
shawn1461x?03:15
shawn146that would take days03:15
tool88lol maybe not that low03:15
holsteinif its a rw, you can always re-try it03:16
shawn146yea :/03:16
holsteinthat takes time too though03:16
shawn14656x?03:16
holstein4x should go through03:16
shawn146time is what i do not have :(03:16
aveilleuxUNetBootIn doesn't burn to disc03:16
shawn146how long though03:16
aveilleuxIt writes an ISO to a Flash drive03:16
shawn146just like win to flash03:17
holsteinaveilleux: i believe the speeds we are disussing is not in relation to unet03:17
holsteinare not*03:17
holsteinshawn146: you know what aveilleux means right?03:17
tool88no i brought that up for the flash boot03:17
shawn146no03:18
* gunndawg makes a sad face03:18
holsteinunet has never asked me what speed to move the data over03:18
gunndawgjust read a few articles about how linux is slowly dying out03:18
gunndawghi madsailor03:18
holsteingunndawg: you want me to link some to the contrary ;)03:18
gunndawgholstein: please do03:18
aveilleuxgunndawg: You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet03:19
gunndawgI have read like 3 or 4 diff articles today about how linux is slowly dying out, etc03:19
holsteinlinux is like that, simultaneouly dying out, and growing03:19
tool88is that sarcasm i think its at easiest its ever been03:19
gunndawgaveilleux: I dont03:19
madsailorhey gunndawg, how's chromium treating you tonight?03:19
holsteinall those linux kernels on the android phones03:19
gunndawgmadsailor: its hit or miss I suppose03:19
shawn146what?03:19
shawn146linux is not dying03:19
shawn146its opensource03:19
shawn146big communities03:19
holsteinyeah, linux is not a buisness like that03:19
holsteinto 'dye out'03:20
gunndawgshawn146: that doesnt matter, its support is dying out and moving to windows03:20
tool88as long as there are cheap people in this world linux has  spot03:20
gunndawghttp://www.devside.net/articles/ubuntu-linux-dying03:20
holsteinsupport in buntu is way better03:20
holsteinall the time03:20
shawn146what03:20
aveilleuxgunndawg: Of course a site about .NET will say that Linux is dying03:20
holsteinyou cant say support is moving to windows03:20
aveilleuxgunndawg: Its entire market is based around Windows03:20
holsteinthat support never left windows03:21
shawn146well i am not moving to micro$oft winblows03:21
shawn146:)03:21
tool88might be true that 90 percent of buisnes use windows03:21
shawn146wpow03:21
shawn146that is not right03:21
tool88but main servers are using linux unix03:21
shawn146bill gates is basically buying their lives03:21
gunndawgyeah03:21
madsailorgunndawg, would you mind trying some plymouth themes that I made since I have only verified them at my resolution (since I know you are now a plymouth & theme master ;)))03:21
gunndawgmadsailor: surely03:22
madsailorthey're at https://github.com/madsailor/XBMC-Plymouth-Bootsplash-Screens...you can download a tar or zip from the downloads button on the right of the page03:23
madsailorappreciate it03:23
aveilleuxgunndawg: Whoever wrote that article seems to forget that Canonical offers paid support03:24
aveilleuxgunndawg: and... Mark Shuttleworth paid to go into space... he's freaking rich03:25
holsteinand, thats not the goal03:25
holsteinto sell desktop support03:25
holsteinthe app store, and ubuntu one are attempts to be marketable03:25
holsteingood ones too03:25
tool88im sure better than xandros ever was03:26
gunndawggoogle is the last and biggest critical force on the market. Without google there would be even less open source and linux, imo03:26
holsteineh03:26
holsteingoogle doesnt really create all that much open source03:27
gunndawgyeah but there are still doubts as to whether they are the good guys or not03:28
holsteinthey run a buisness03:28
holsteingood or bad aint going to ever be a part of it03:28
holsteinseems to be OK for us though03:28
holsteinso far03:28
shawn146so do i need to write at 56x?03:28
tool88and just think how safe all your stuff will be on a cloud os03:28
collinpTo put this in perspective.03:28
gunndawgyeah gut in regards to the competition there's no doubt left03:28
collinpGoogle is the FOSS world's only hope of toppling Microsoft.03:29
gunndawgoracle, microsoft, ibm, sony, etc03:29
holsteinshawn146: i wouldnt sweat the speed03:29
holsteinIF you have problems, slow it down03:29
shawn146oh ok lol03:29
holsteincollinp: hehe, agreed03:29
shawn146so AWS is fine?03:29
collinpAnd Microsoft is falling. Slowly, but it is.03:29
gunndawgcollinp: poor them ;)03:30
madsailorgoogle's credo is "don't be evil"03:30
madsailorwhether they follow it or not03:30
tool88id say linux in general still has some catching up to ms with the ease part03:31
gunndawgtool88: well that goes without saying, of course03:31
holsteinmadsailor: yeah? im pretty sure the credo is 'sell advertising'03:31
holsteintool88: im not sure about that03:31
holsteindepending on hardware03:31
holsteini find it a lot easier to install buntu03:32
gunndawgholstein: so do I03:32
holsteinwith all the drivers we have in the kernel03:32
holsteinmodular03:32
holsteintoo easy03:32
shawn146?03:32
holsteinbest case scenario with windows03:32
madsailorholstein,  what they say, not necessarily what they do03:32
holsteinyou have on of those driver discs03:32
warlock_I am having an issue with Ubuntu x64 iso.Would anyone be able to help03:32
shawn146oh hell i am just gonna try it03:32
holsteinshawn146: cook it03:33
holsteinwarlock_: whats up?03:33
tool88i had problems with the 64 the 32 works perfect03:33
collinpIf Linux is going anywhere, we _have_ to get commercial support, no matter how much we like it.03:33
holsteincollinp: agreed03:33
holsteinof course, the question is, does linux need to 'go anywhere'03:34
holstein?03:34
holsteini think it would be great03:34
holsteinbut i can understand the arguments about keeping it small and niche03:34
tool88with the track linux is on id say its just starting03:34
shawn146Device Not Ready (Logical Unit not ready, Operation in progress)03:35
shawn146dang03:35
shawn146than it stops03:35
shawn146wat do i do03:36
gunndawgshawn146: dumb question but I figure I'll ask. Do you have hardware that supports 64bit ?03:37
shawn146this laptop03:37
shawn146but not myfriends03:37
shawn146i downlaoded the 32-bit desktop version also03:38
shawn146but its not burning on my DVD+RW03:38
tool88do you have any media?03:38
gunndawgshawn146: might wanna make sure it supports 64bit before trying to install a 64bit OS03:38
tool88or use windows image burner03:38
shawn146am i saying 64-bit?03:39
gunndawgshawn146: I was confusing you with someone else03:40
holsteinshawn146: show it who's boss03:40
holstein:)03:40
shawn146?03:40
holsteinyou want to burn an iso, burn an iso03:40
holsteinthose rw's are strange sometimes03:40
tool88what program you using shawn03:40
holsteinive had mixed luck with them03:40
holsteini had better luck with gnomebaker03:41
holsteinif memory serves03:41
shawn146IMGburn03:41
madsailorshawn146, if you are really having trouble with your burner and have a spare USB pen drive you can use it to install instead03:42
shawn146i am on windows atm03:42
shawn146and i have tried usb alreayd03:42
tool88are you on w7?03:42
madsailorahh..ok03:42
shawn146my friends laptop doesn't support usb boot03:42
shawn146my burner is brand new and perfectly fine03:42
shawn146a 1200 dollah laptop betta be gooda03:43
aveilleuxshawn146: You sure? I mean, my laptop from 1996 supports USB booting03:43
tool88its eigther the media or the program03:43
shawn146i am sure03:43
shawn146its not in the bios03:43
aveilleuxshawn146: It's usually called "removable devices"03:44
aveilleuxshawn146: If you can get to a temporary boot menu, it should be listed under the hard drives03:44
tool88if your using w7 try right cliking the iso and use windows built in burner see if that works03:44
shawn146i'm using 64-bit win7 xD03:44
shawn146but i want to make the iso and dvd bootable03:48
shawn146well the iso is bootable03:48
shawn146i meant the dis03:48
shawn146k03:48
shawn146w03:48
shawn146w03:48
shawn146oops03:48
tool88so its not fianlizing the disk?03:48
aveilleuxshawn146: If you burn the ISO properly, it will be bootable03:49
tool88can you put a iso on a dvdrw dosnt it need to finalize the disk to be bootable03:50
warlock_when it is done it should eject it self03:53
aveilleuxwarlock_: Not necessarily. Not every program does that.03:54
shawn146no03:55
shawn146it wont even burn03:55
tool88try another program to burn it03:55
holsteinhttp://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windowsexperience/archive/2009/04/13/burn-iso-images-natively-in-windows-7.aspx03:56
holsteinshawn146: ^^03:56
tool88yyeah03:56
tool88if you right click you can choose to burn with windows03:56
shawn146-_-03:56
shawn146i am getting nowhere03:57
aveilleuxshawn146: Why are you using a DVD+RW again?03:57
shawn146its my last hope03:59
shawn146my cd-rws went bad03:59
aveilleuxshawn146: What about normal CD-Rs03:59
shawn146already used them04:00
gunndawgtime to watch the live feed of the adam carolla podcast!04:00
shawn146and id rather use something rewritable04:00
aveilleuxwhy?04:00
aveilleuxshawn146: It's not like the data on the installation disc changes04:00
shawn146so i can reuse it04:00
shawn146but a dvd is a different format04:01
aveilleuxshawn146: You can use a CD-R more than once :/04:01
aveilleuxshawn146: And no, actually, DVDs use the same ISO-1990 format04:01
shawn146not rigt04:01
aveilleuxshawn146: Key word "use", not "burn"04:01
shawn146a cd-r can only right and right to how much space is left04:02
shawn146i am using burn what are you using04:02
aveilleuxshawn146: write*04:02
shawn146?04:02
aveilleuxshawn146: I use either Brasero (Linux) or CDBurnerXP (on Windows)04:02
aveilleuxshawn146: you said "right". The correct word is "write"04:03
shawn146well tahts what i meant >.<04:04
shawn146making me go crazzyyyyy04:04
shawn146aw04:09
shawn146can someone help me04:09
shawn146i have had his laptop for a year now04:09
shawn146i need to install ubuntu04:09
holsteinshawn146: did you try http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windowsexperience/archive/2009/04/13/burn-iso-images-natively-in-windows-7.aspx04:09
madsailor<- wonders why people don't give me a laptop for a year04:10
shawn146trying04:12
shawn146hey its burning :D04:13
gunndawggood04:16
holsteinlol04:16
shawn146finalizing :O04:16
shawn146verifying :O:O04:16
shawn146:O04:20
shawn146it finished04:20
gunndawgnow go install it04:21
shawn146i don't think it will04:26
gunndawgwhy not ?04:27
shawn146its not burnt right04:27
holsteinyeah it is04:28
holsteinif you followed that link i gave04:28
holsteinand it finished properly04:28
holsteinshawn146: right when its loading04:28
holsteinhit shift04:28
shawn146its not booting04:28
holsteinshawn146: at all?04:28
holsteinis the drive spinning?04:28
shawn146i'm trying it04:29
shawn146yes04:29
gunndawgshawn146: did you change your boot device to CD/DVD in the bios ?04:29
shawn146it boots from dvd's04:29
holsteinunless its broken04:29
holsteinif its a DVD/CD drive04:29
holsteini'll boot from either04:29
gunndawgHit F12 when you power your computer on to get to boot menu04:29
gunndawgand change it to CD/DVD04:29
gunndawgat least I think its F12, might be F804:29
shawn146its bootin to the isolinux line thing04:30
shawn146than takes forever04:30
shawn146ISOLINUX 4.10 Debian04:30
shawn146or somethin04:30
holsteincool04:30
holsteinhit shift then04:30
shawn146i see keyboard = davinchi man in purple screen04:31
holsteincool04:31
holsteinthats a good step04:31
shawn146now with ubuntu loading04:31
holsteinits booting04:31
shawn146how longg04:31
holsteinit'll either work eventually04:31
holsteinOR, its 'hanging'04:31
* shawn146 faceplants into keyboard04:32
holsteinyou can say 'my bootable DVD is booting, but its not loading, seems to be hanging'04:32
holsteinshawn146: its takes a while04:32
holsteincan take a while04:32
holsteinBUT04:32
holsteinnext time04:32
shawn146i hear noises04:32
shawn146and reving04:32
holsteinyou're going to hit shift04:32
holsteinbut, just hang on for a while04:33
shawn146hit shift right now?04:33
holsteincould take 4 minutes or so04:33
holsteinshawn146: nope04:33
holsteinnext time04:33
holsteinIF this doesnt work04:33
holsteinand im not paying attention04:33
holsteinyou'll boot the CD04:33
holsteinand hit shift04:33
holsteinright after the isolinux thing04:33
holsteinthen you can pass some trouble-shooting arguments along04:34
holsteinBUT, if the disc is still making noise04:34
holsteinyou're probably fine04:34
shawn146yea04:34
shawn146bit quietly04:34
shawn146*but04:35
holsteinwell, its your hardware04:35
holsteinyou'll know what the drive sounds like when its reading04:35
holsteinor just sitting there spinning04:35
shawn146i do?04:35
* shawn146 stares up blindly04:35
holsteinwell, you might04:35
shawn146xD04:35
holsteinassuming you've used the drive while paying attention04:36
holstein;)04:36
shawn146i have many times this year04:36
shawn146>.<04:36
shawn146its stressfull now04:36
holsteinstressful?04:36
shawn146yea04:36
holsteinwhat is?04:36
shawn146after you get one distro of ubuntu working FINALLY04:36
shawn146they come out with another one04:37
shawn146and delete the apps you use04:37
holsteineh04:37
holsteinim still running 10.0404:37
shawn146i was running 9.1004:37
holsteinjust did a fresh install last week :)04:37
shawn146exactly with it became 201004:37
holsteinyou can dist-upgrade04:37
holsteini did a dist-upgrade from 9.10 to 10.0404:38
holsteinwent well04:38
shawn146it ried04:38
shawn146took too long04:38
shawn146so i quit04:38
shawn146and am trying this04:38
holsteinhow did that work out for you?04:38
holstein;)04:38
holsteinwhen i do those04:38
holsteini just let them run over night04:38
holsteingetting quicker it seems04:39
holsteinused to take 8 hours ;)04:39
holsteinwith my fast-ish network too04:39
holsteinanyways, dont let it push you around shawn14604:40
holsteintell it what you want it to do04:40
DiegoTcsomeone has install moinmoin??04:40
holsteinDiegoTc: i read about it a lot04:41
holsteindidnt get around to it though04:41
DiegoTcholstein, this is my wiki04:41
DiegoTchttp://wiki.diegoturcios.org/04:41
shawn146(process:273): GLib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)04:41
DiegoTcjust install but i don't get it how to remove that information page04:41
holsteinive been meaning to DL http://www.turnkeylinux.org/moinmoin04:41
holsteinand give it a look04:41
shawn146???04:42
shawn146whats goin on04:42
gunndawgholstein: looks interesting04:42
DiegoTcholstein, looks great04:42
DiegoTcholstein, think you can help me04:43
holsteinshawn146: thats probably OK04:43
holsteinjust let it go for a while and see04:43
holsteinDiegoTc: im looking04:43
shawn146its not doing anything04:43
holsteinDiegoTc: im not sure04:43
holsteindid you make a user?04:43
holsteina superuser?04:43
DiegoTcyeap04:44
holsteinhttp://jorgefer00.dyndns.org:8080/HelpOnConfiguration04:44
holsteinDiegoTc: hmmm04:44
shawn146capslock light is just blinking04:44
holsteinshawn146: thats bad04:44
holsteinyou can restart then04:44
shawn146i didn't touch it >.<04:44
holsteinand try the shift thing04:44
shawn146O_O04:44
holsteinafter you hit shift04:44
* shawn146 eyes go blood dry04:44
holsteinyou select the language04:44
holsteinthen hit F604:44
holsteinselect 'nomodeset'04:45
shawn146its not showing me that screen04:45
holsteinand try booting again04:45
shawn146just goes to ubuntu loading04:45
holsteinshawn146: 'its' not?04:45
shawn146screen04:45
holsteinshawn146: start again04:45
holsteinand hit shift more04:45
holstein:)04:45
shawn146do you have skype?04:45
holsteinnot yet04:45
shawn146oh04:45
shawn146can you get it?04:45
holsteinmaybe later04:45
holsteinim about to crash04:45
shawn146...04:46
shawn146why04:46
shawn146can you plz help me04:46
holsteinits late04:46
shawn146i am in a pandemic here04:46
shawn146i need to get this done tonight04:46
holsteinwell, all im going to do is tell you when to hit shift04:46
shawn146my friends been really asking for it04:46
holsteinjust try hitting shift04:46
shawn146WHEN04:46
holsteinstart now04:46
holsteinand keep doing it04:46
holsteintil you're sure it didnt work04:46
shawn146...04:46
shawn146that will take forever04:47
holsteinDiegoTc: the moin folk i know are not online :/04:47
holsteinsorry im not going to be more help04:47
holsteinshawn146: nah04:47
shawn146...04:48
holsteinit'll be right at the beginning04:48
shawn146my friends going to get mad04:48
shawn146 at me >.<04:48
holsteinbefore the davinci thing04:48
shawn146oh04:48
shawn146i need to restart again..04:48
holsteinyup04:48
DiegoTcokay04:49
DiegoTcthanks holstein04:49
holsteinshawn146: like my grandmother used to say, you can tell your friend he has the same clothes to get glad in04:49
holstein:)04:49
holsteinanyways, i gotta crash04:49
shawn146oh dang04:49
shawn146WIAT04:49
shawn146WAIT04:49
holsteinshawn146: nomodeset is what you're looking for04:49
shawn146nomodeset?04:49
shawn146i did the shift thing04:49
holsteincool04:50
shawn146and it brougth me to the screen04:50
holsteinwhat screen?04:50
shawn146with the options04:50
shawn146ubuntu04:50
holsteinlanguage?04:50
holsteinOK04:50
shawn146try ubuntu without installing04:50
holsteinhit F604:50
shawn146install ubuntu04:50
shawn146and suchj04:50
holsteinhit F6 *04:50
shawn146ok04:50
holsteinthats where 'nomodeset' is04:50
shawn146and?04:50
holsteinthats what you try next04:50
shawn146hit that?04:50
holsteinyup04:50
holsteinand do 'try without installing'04:51
holsteinOR thats what i would do04:51
shawn146its only checked04:51
holsteinyou can do install i suppose04:51
shawn146will it run on 256 MB04:51
holsteinBUT i wouldnt want to without seeing the desktop firts04:51
shawn146the 9.10 ubuntu did04:51
holsteinfirst*04:51
holsteinshawn146: you might need the alternate installer04:51
holsteinshawn146: what version are you wanting?04:52
holstein10.04?04:52
shawn146no04:52
shawn146i have 10.1004:52
shawn146the version i want04:52
holstein256 should be fine04:52
shawn146ok04:52
* holstein was checking at http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/04:53
shawn146oh04:53
holsteinanyways, im out.. GN all04:53
shawn146wait04:53
shawn146can't you help a bit more?04:53
shawn146i checked the nomodeset04:53
shawn146what now04:53
shawn146...04:55
shawn146kernal panic05:02
shawn146>.<05:02
shawn146hey can you help me?05:03
shawn146i jsut got kernal panic05:03
shawn146with ubuntu 10.1005:03
shawn146iso05:03
shawn146burnt on dvd05:03
shawn146...05:03
=== zkriesse_ is now known as zkriesse
shawn146zkriesse??05:13
madsailorshawn146,  maybe try on the main #ubuntu channel05:15
zkriesseDid someone ping me?05:15
shawn146i did...05:15
shawn146they said try the beginners channel05:16
zkriesseNo they said the main ubuntu channel which is #ubuntu05:17
gunndawgDoes ubuntu 10.10 come installed with a firewall? I wanna set up an apache server but also wanna make sure its secured05:22
zkriessegunndawg: Well there is a lot of security built in but you can install a firewall manager from the Software Center05:24
zkriesse!firewall05:25
ubot2Ubuntu, like any other Linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | An alternative to ufw is the 'iptables' command - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo | GUI frontends such as Firestarter/Gufw (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE) also exist.05:25
zkriessegunndawg: ^^05:25
gunndawgwould I be secure enough with whats built in already if I isntall apache ?05:25
bioterror!apparmor05:26
ubot2For information about the AppArmor security framework employed in Ubuntu (since Gutsy Gibbon), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor05:26
zkriessegunndawg: Should be05:26
gunndawgcool05:26
zkriessegunndawg: Hey, I wrote a doc on installing Apache2, PHP5 on ubuntu coupled with Firebird RDBMS05:26
zkriesseIf you care to look I can get the linky05:26
humanityloshello05:28
gunndawgzkriesse: i'll take a look, sure05:28
gunndawgI wanna work on getting python to communicate with mysql :)05:29
humanitylosI need some help making a boot cd for ubuntu 10.10 i386... every program i have tried to burn the iso doesnt do it right (just seems to write it as a track) and if i try to make a usb flash boot windows seems to eject it and reinstall it in the middle of the process05:32
bioterrorwe have only i686 ;)05:33
bioterrorhumanity, i made last week a usb boot stick with universal usb installer05:34
humanitylosi have no idea what that is.. or even if its real lol05:34
gunndawgbioterror: afetr our convo last night I did some exploring and realised somthing, I dont have conkyrc05:34
gunndawgbioterror: so now I wonder if there are 2 different conkys05:34
humanitylosis that a win program or a linux command?05:34
bioterrorgunndawg, i dont think so05:34
bioterrorhumanitylos, windows05:35
humanityloslet me try that...05:35
gunndawgbioterror: hmm the only place I have access to conky is via /etc/ so thats what I was on about and you said it was in ~ why did sudo apt-get install conky install it to etc ?05:35
bioterrorpendrivelinux.com or what was that site05:35
zkriessegunndawg: it's here at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firebird2.1/On/Ubuntu05:36
bioterrorgunndawg, sometimes those placis have also configs, but if you backup your home and so on you get these configs05:36
humanitylosapperantly i have already tried that program bioterror...05:37
bioterrortheres certain benefits in using .files instead system wide configurations05:37
bioterrorless you have to use sudo, better that is. I think05:37
gunndawgbioterror: hm ok, every theme installation I look at for conky talks about conkyrc, which doesnt exist on my system05:37
bioterrorhumanitylos, check the md5sum of your iso05:37
humanitylosi have tried several of them.. even tried a PXE with no luck.. (probably because i dont know what im doing)05:37
bioterrorgunndawg, becouse you have not made one05:38
humanityloshow do i do that?05:38
humanitylosim very new to linex05:38
humanityloslinux05:38
gunndawgbioterror: so you have to make a conkyrc folder ur self ?05:38
gunndawgbioterror: interesting05:38
bioterrorno05:38
bioterrorjust .conkyrc05:38
humanitylosi got the file right from the ubuntu site05:39
gunndawgbioterror: what does the "rc" stand for in conkyrc ?05:39
bioterrorjust like any other rc -file in your /05:39
bioterror~/05:39
bioterrorhumanitylos, i would like to help you, but my train has arrived to my destination point ill change to trams as i am commuting to work05:40
humanitylosthats cool05:40
humanitylosjust a learning curve for me ... thanx for the help05:40
gunndawgok, here goes nothing, about to install apache, mysql, and php05:47
TheDelaYcan anyone here help me with a wifi problem05:48
TheDelaYhow does one normaly go about getting comprehensive help with ubuntu?05:49
gunndawgTheDelaY: there are several channels on this irc network that offer plenty of help05:55
zkriesseTheDelaY: what's the issue with your WiFi?05:55
zkriesse!ask | TheDelaY05:56
ubot2TheDelaY: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)05:56
distort3dhttp://pastebin.com/BmRuhWHn06:00
TheDelaYsorry was in another chan06:02
bioterrorgunndawg, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148719806:04
shawn146from what holstein told me its still not working06:04
shawn146>.<06:04
gunndawgbioterror: yeah its already installed now bioterror but thx06:05
gunndawgbioterror: just trying to figure out where it put the /www folder and how to launch phpmyadmin now06:05
bioterrorit's usually /var/ww06:06
bioterror/var/www06:06
bioterrorif I remember right :D06:06
gunndawgbioterror: ah yes, found it, now to figure out how to get phpmyadmin launched06:07
gunndawgits installed06:07
bioterrorwas it /var/www?06:07
gunndawgbut localhost/phpmyadmin does not appear to work06:07
gunndawgbioterror: yes06:07
bioterrorgunndawg, you just need to configure ports for the phpmyadmind or what ever it was and connecto to that06:13
bioterrorbeen like 5 years since last time I touched it06:14
gunndawgbioterror: but right out of the box http://localhost/phpmyadmin should work, right ?06:14
bioterrordepends06:15
bioterrorbut usually that's a security risk :D06:15
bioterrorthat's why it's binded to another ports06:15
gunndawghmm06:15
gunndawggot it workin bioterror06:17
gunndawghad to include it in the apache2.conf06:17
gunndawgsweet, got it all set up :)06:18
TheDelaYso i've dual installed ubuntu.studio 10.10 with windows, and i've been working on getting the wireless working on ubuntu, seems to have something to do with the manual button for wifi and a program that turnes it off when you shutdown windows. trying to get it fixed i made it worse by somehow rfkilling the wifi06:24
bioterrorsounds almost like samsung laptop :)06:25
bioterrorthese seem to have these problems if you disable it from the windows, it wont work in ubuntu06:25
TheDelaYi almost had it working again in windows for a second, but now it's not again.06:26
TheDelaYs@IT:~$ rfkill list wifi06:27
TheDelaYhp-wifi: Wireless LAN06:28
TheDelaYSoft blocked: no06:28
TheDelaYHard blocked: yes06:28
TheDelaYhow do you unblock a hrd block06:28
TheDelaYand what's the deal with the past bin? is there one for every chan?06:33
TheDelaYand how do you actualy use it06:34
madsailorTheDelaY, maybe an unhelpful question, but have you physically toggled the wireless switch/button on the computer?06:34
TheDelaYfor the last 3 days06:34
TheDelaYyes i have06:34
madsailorhaha..ok. Well, seems that linux is saying it's the physical switch. it could be a bad contact in the physical switch itself, or a win vs linux issue that bioterror was talking about (and I know nothing about)06:37
TheDelaYit was working originaly, and it was still working after the linux dual install, but not in linux06:38
TheDelaYafter some trying to get it fixed, it got worse06:38
TheDelaYnow it no longer work's in windows06:39
TheDelaYbut i did have it working and ubblocked earleir today, but only for one boot into windows. and the same command "rfkill unblock wifi" doesn't fix it this time06:40
TheDelaYi have hw due tomorrow so i've been trying not to think about how badly i need to be on the internet the last 3 days06:41
madsailorTheDelaY, did you try that command as sudo?06:42
shawn146well good night06:43
madsailoractually, N/M won't help...... rfkill does nothing for HW block no matter the user06:44
TheDelaYomg, sleep dep will make you overlook the simplest things sometimes06:44
caramelhi, I have a really noob question. installed ubuntu 10.04 yesterday, completely unfamiliar with it. originally monitor resolution was stuck on 800x600. downloaded driver from ati's site and then my bf typed in something into the terminal and now I can choose from all the 4:3 resolutions but no 16:9 ones. trying to google what to do but getting confused. thanks =]06:44
TheDelaYwell it says it's unblocked now, thanks.06:45
TheDelaYwierd really, it's not saposed to do anything>06:46
madsailorTheDelaY, hmm, well, glad it worked.  Get some sleep and good luck with the HW06:47
TheDelaYwell i hope <keeps fingers crossed>06:48
TheDelaYcourse my network manager now says i'm not connected and am in fact having some sort of error06:49
madsailorcaramel, I'm not running proprietary (ati) drivers, but I think you can adjust the settings under system>administration>additional drivers06:51
caramelI dont have an additional drivers on the menu. I have a hardware drivers which says ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver activated and in use (initially there was nothing there when i could only get 800x600). cant see anywhere to adjust a setting (or click)06:53
madsailorcaramel, do you have system>preferences>display?07:00
caramelno. I have two versions of 'ati catalyst control centre' both of which give me an error and system>preferences>monitors07:02
madsailorUnfortunately I am flying blind besause, as I said, I am not running the drivers you are.  I think that under the ATI controls that you cannot access are the settings for alternate resolutions.  If you check under the system>preferences>monitors, and there is nothing, then I'd recommend asking a the main ubuntu channel: #ubuntu07:06
caramelthank you for your help :)07:07
madsailorcaramel, np07:07
midhunohi07:30
UndiFineD!ask | midhuno07:30
ubot2midhuno: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)07:30
midhunoi want to know about terminal07:30
gunndawgWhy am I still able to access phpmyadmin even after I shut off apache ?07:30
midhunok, what is the use of terminal??07:31
UndiFineDmidhuno: all you see, is somehow a commandline command07:31
UndiFineDgunndawg: maybe you have multiple webservers running07:32
gunndawgUndiFineD: I shouldnt07:32
madsailormidhuno, it is a more direct interface with your computer than the GUI....read up on it here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal07:32
midhunoi downloaded the utorrent from internet but i cant install that....how to instal a program in ubuntu??07:33
UndiFineDsudo apt-get install utorrent07:34
UndiFineDif that is available07:34
geirhagunndawg: sudo fuser -v 80/tcp  # will list all processes using tcp port 8007:34
UndiFineDthe default is transmission07:34
madsailorgunndawg, you can find out by entering 127.0.0.1 in a browser07:34
gunndawgmadsailor: find what out ?07:34
bioterrormicrotorrent07:35
bioterrorOperating systemMicrosoft Windows07:35
madsailorgunndawg, sorry, if your webserver is still running07:35
UndiFineDhttp://127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin/07:35
bioterrorMac OS X 10.5 (Intel and PPC)07:35
bioterrorLinux (using Wine is officially supported),[10] native Linux version planned[11]07:35
andrew_46midhuno: Is utorrent still alpha release for linux?07:35
bioterrorandrew_46, there's no such thing07:35
geirhaIt is07:35
midhunoUndiFineD , but the utorrent file is in my download directory07:35
gunndawgsee that is the thing. http://127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin/ does not work when I turn apache off, but http://localhost/phpmyadmin still opens up phpmyadmin07:36
midhunoandrew_46, ya it is alpha07:36
gunndawgmadsailor: I shut my apache server down but i am still able to access phpmyadmin via localhost/phpmyadmin my browser, why is that ?07:36
madsailorgunndawg, nott sure, not an expert (yet ;) Maybe it runs on a different port and needs to be shutdown seperately07:38
gunndawgmadsailor: probably, not sure how to07:38
UndiFineDgunndawg: sudo netstat -tulpn |grep 8007:38
andrew_46midhuno: If you are keen to learn the terminal + use torrents there is a nice torrent client called rtorrent07:39
bioterrorandrew_46, someone is asking why utorrent wont run and you're suggesting rtorment ;)07:40
midhunoandrew_46, is transmission is good??07:40
gunndawgUndiFineD: ok that turned up Skype07:40
andrew_46midhuno: Transmission is a great program, I used it extensively before moving to rtorrent, I believe it is the default Ubuntu client07:41
bioterrortransmission rules07:41
bioterrorI can easily move torrents from drive to another with it07:41
midhunoandrew_46, which is better in ur opinion??07:41
bioterrorI've had no problems with transmission and I've used it on OS X and Linux07:42
bioterrorand I want to have option to choose where I place my torrent downloads before I start leeching07:42
andrew_46midhuno: For gui use Transmission is excellent, for commandline rtorrent is excellent :)07:42
andrew_46Transmission can be up and running very quickly, rtorrent a little slower07:43
midhunoandrew_46, i dont know commands to download torrent07:43
andrew_46midhuno: In that case I would suggest start with Transmission :)07:45
midhunois there any download accelerator for linux??07:45
* andrew_46 will definitely look at the utorrent Linux client when it is released07:47
bioterrorandrew_46, might take as long as duke nukem forever :D07:47
bioterrormidhuno, what's download accelerator?07:47
bioterrormidhuno, I accelerated my downloads by changing my 8Mbit adsl to 100Mbit cable07:48
kristian-aalborgandrew_46: rtorrent is cool07:48
madsailormidhuno, I'm with andrew_46 and recommend transmission for GUI torrenting, but to throw another option out, if you are familiar with and like the UI of utorrent tthen qbittorrent will make you feel at home07:48
andrew_46bioterror: Actually what I am really waiting for is a more up tp date Skype client :(07:48
kristian-aalborgdeluge is fine, too (although a bit heavy on resources, if memory serves)07:49
andrew_46kristian-aalborg: I love it, and it seems to download better/faster than other clients I have tried07:49
midhunobioterror:download accelerator like DAP and internet download manager in Windows07:49
kristian-aalborgmidhuno: I use wget for most downloads, it works pretty well07:50
kristian-aalborgandrew_46: which client are we talking about? ;)07:50
midhunokristian-aalborg: but it will not integrate with mozilla na??07:51
andrew_46kristian-aalborg: torrent clients? I started mainly with Transmission07:51
* andrew_46 finally gets the joke...07:52
kristian-aalborgmidhuno: just open a terminal, type wget and Shift+Insert07:52
bioterrorkristian-aalborg, curl -O ;D07:53
bioterrorI've got actually better speeds with curl than with wget07:53
kristian-aalborgyes, so they say... never got into the habit but perhaps I should07:53
kristian-aalborgwget never failed me, though ;)07:53
midhunokristian-aalborg; for what??07:54
kristian-aalborgfor downloading things07:54
kristian-aalborgcurl is better for single files I hear, though07:55
distort3dhttp://pastebin.com/cs1rTRxQ08:06
gunndawgandrew_46: whats up!10:49
andrew_46gunndawg: Just getting ready for a home yoga session :)10:50
andrew_46It has become a little quiet here.....10:50
gunndawgright on10:50
gunndawgim trying to research the best ways to keep a clean ubuntu installation10:51
gunndawglike clean up junk files, etc10:51
gunndawgunless ubuntu takes care of that it self10:51
bioterrorgunndawg, just remember to purge when you remove stuff10:51
andrew_46gunndawg: Min you if you upgrade you will nly have each installation for 6 months10:52
bioterrorandrew_46, what?10:52
andrew_46bioterror: new release every 6 months10:52
gunndawgbioterror: if I havent been purging then what do I do now to get rid of left over files ?10:52
bioterrorandrew_46, sudo sudo do-release-upgrade -d10:52
bioterrordouble sudo!10:52
bioterrorgunndawg, you might have some config files in /etc for example10:53
bioterroror some leftovers in /usr/share ;)10:53
gunndawgbioterror: can I just get rid of them ?10:53
andrew_46Hmmmm... I was never a fan of the upgrade path, I preferred a clean install, this might be a superstition perhaps10:53
bioterrorI've always used upgrading10:54
gunndawgbioterror: I have a TON of conf files in etc10:54
bioterrorgunndawg, ofcourse you have ;)10:54
gunndawgbioterror: how do I know what files I can get rid of in usr and etc ?10:55
bioterrorgunndawg, you're thinking too difficult things ;)10:56
bioterroryou're talking about few megabytes10:56
gunndawgbioterror: I am one of those Computer OCD freaks that likes to make sure my computer is as clean as I can get it, with no junk files laying around taking up space10:57
gunndawgbioterror: heh10:57
gunndawgbioterror: I guess I shouldnt worry about it then eh ?11:06
s-foxHello.11:08
andrew_46s-fox: hi :)11:10
s-foxandrew_46 Hi!11:10
s-foxHow are you ?11:10
andrew_46I am well, and you?11:10
s-foxNot bad thank you,  just sorting work stuff out. ZZZzzz11:11
andrew_46s-fox: Beginner's team seems to be thriving, althouggh I do not recognise many of the people here :(11:12
JackyAlcineLike me?11:12
s-foxandrew_46,  Yes, I had noticed things were perhaps getting better.11:13
andrew_46JackyAlcine: exactly :)11:13
JackyAlcineI've been around for a few months; helping here and there. :D11:13
andrew_46JackyAlcine: Are you on the Ubuntu Forums much?11:15
JackyAlcineNot really; I'm a programmer that dedicates too much time to C++. :)11:16
JackyAlcineIf I am, it's usually me asking a week-old question.11:16
andrew_46JackyAlcine: My time with the UBT was a while back, I loiter in the multimedia section of the Ubntu Forums mostly these days11:19
JackyAlcineHow old is the UBT?11:19
head_victim-ChanServ- Registered : Feb 15 01:48:05 2007 (3 years, 51 weeks, 2 days, 09:31:51 ago)11:20
head_victimSuggests it's at least 3 years and 51 weeks old.11:20
head_victimMeans that it's got a birthday coming up in a few days!11:20
andrew_46JackyAlcine: Not sure, I seem to remember it is Bodhizazen's baby, but I might be wrong11:20
JackyAlcineWow..11:20
* s-fox wonders how long I have been here...11:21
andrew_46Not bad when you think that Ubuntu has not been around all that long11:22
s-foxOkay,  it seems I have been on the team since 200911:30
s-foxTime flies.11:30
duanedesigns-fox: wow, it sure does. I joined early '09 too12:25
s-foxSeen a lot of faces come and go too12:27
s-fox:|12:27
* duanedesign nods12:28
=== ApOgEE__ is now known as ApOgEE
* Daniel0108 is away: I'm busy16:09
JoeMaverickSett!away | Daniel010816:09
ubot2Daniel0108: You should avoid noisy away messages and -nicks in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines»16:09
Daniel0108oops, sorry, my client posted this, I'll turn this feature off ;)16:10
seidosif i "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" will the system boot to a shell?17:46
zkriesseProbably17:46
MrChrisDruifMost likely...17:49
bioterrornope17:52
bioterrorubuntu-desktop is a meta package17:52
bioterrorit just removes it17:52
bioterroryou have to remove gdm or prevent it from init.d to be launched17:52
MichealHpurge it?17:53
bioterrormeta packages purpose is only fetch lots of packages17:53
bioterrorif you remove meta package, you technically just remove a script17:53
MichealHBut purge removes every package installed?17:56
bioterrornope17:56
MichealHHmm...17:56
MichealHOh well :P17:56
seidoswell, at least i know what *not* to do17:57
bioterrorfor example17:57
bioterrorsad157@dopethrone:~% sudo apt-get purge lubuntu-restricted-addons17:57
bioterrorThe following packages will be REMOVED:17:57
bioterror  lubuntu-restricted-addons* lubuntu-restricted-extras*17:57
seidosyeah, i don't want to boot into a gui17:58
bioterrorseidos, why not?17:58
seidosbioterror: because the system doesn't need it anymore17:58
bioterrorthen sudo apt-get purge gdm17:59
seidoswell, i'll try this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183084 , last post17:59
seidosbioterror: all right, i'll try that17:59
seidossudo apt-get purge gdm && sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop17:59
bioterrornope18:00
bioterrorubuntu-desktop doesnt matter and it will be removed when gdm is removed18:00
MrChrisDruifWhy do you want to remove the desktop seidos? Want to go Linux-freak? :P18:03
seidosMrChrisDruif: converting it to a server18:05
MrChrisDruifAlright :)18:06
seidosthat's pretty sweet.  i guess now i know what packages to install during minimal cli18:06
seidosxorg, gdm, and ubuntu-desktop18:06
MrChrisDruifxD18:07
MrChrisDruifDoesn't ubuntu-desktop install all the others as deps?18:08
marku216heya18:50
=== marku216 is now known as newlad
newladhere we go18:50
newladanyone familiar with not working inbuilt card readers on ubuntu netbook remix 10.10?18:51
newladwont recognize the card when i put it in18:51
seidosnewlad: i'm working on my own problem.  i know that my card reader used to work, but it doesn't anymore for some reason18:58
kristian-aalborgwhat link would you give someone as an introduction to open source?19:02
aveilleuxAnything that doesn't involve Richard Stallman or Eric Raymond19:03
aveilleuxrms and esr, respectively19:04
seidosor Linus Torvalds?19:04
aveilleuxNah, Linus isn't insane19:04
seidosinsane is relative19:04
kristian-aalborgneither are the others... they're just *huge* nerds19:05
aveilleuxI'll rephrase19:05
kristian-aalborgsomeone compared the bittorrent guy to them, so I looked him up... the dude is *married*, would you believe it19:06
aveilleuxHe's not so paranoid he checks his email with curl and emacs (rms), and he's not a libertarian antiestablishmentarian (esr)19:06
* seidos gets more paranoid19:07
bioterrorhahaha, stallman is out of this world :)19:07
aveilleuxIn more ways than one...19:07
red2kickristian-aalborg: http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/19:13
red2kicThere are bunch of pictures emphasising stuffs.19:13
kristian-aalborg" The idea is that you donate your work to a "database" of software, words, images and so - then others can re-use and develop it as they wish under a given set of conditions." - does this make sense and is it correct?19:14
kristian-aalborgred2kic: thanks, I've seen that page before19:14
kristian-aalborgas I see it, the thing is to be bold but not militant ;)19:15
red2kickristian-aalborg: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/3233/why-do-programmers-write-applications-and-then-make-them-free19:19
red2kicLot of informations that can be used. :)19:19
newladhi there19:19
newladhow can i change my kernel version to 2.6.37.12.12 under 10.1019:20
bioterrorcompile it :D19:22
bioterrorhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile19:22
newladreasons for NOT compiling a custom kernel19:25
newladYou have no idea what you are doing, and if you break something, you'll need help fixing it. Depending on what you do wrong, you might end up having to reinstall your system from scratch.19:25
newladTHATS ME =D19:25
bioterroryep19:25
bioterrornewlad, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/19:25
red2kicnewlad: Be patient, young grasshopper.19:31
red2kicTwo more months and you can have your kernels. ;319:32
bioterrornewlad, is there a reason why you want this 2.6.37-12 kernel?19:33
newladbioterror: i believe i have this bug19:33
newladhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/63385219:33
ubot2Launchpad bug 633852 in linux "0cf2:6250 ENE Technology, Inc. card reader not supported (dup-of: 530277)" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:33
ubot2Launchpad bug 530277 in linux "0cf2:6250 ENE Technology, Inc. card reader not supported" [Medium,Fix released]19:33
newladand according to them the newer kernel should fix it19:34
bioterrorgrab from the ppa 2.6.38 ;)19:34
red2kicIt's not stable yet.19:35
newladi have to admit that im still trying to find out how to actually do it...i have to say im a complete newbie to ubuntu19:36
bioterrorsudo dpkg -I foooo.deb19:36
bioterror-i sorry19:36
newladand what red2kic said that it is not stabel...could i use a different one which fixes the probe with the non functioning card reader but runs stabel?19:38
red2kicnewlad: https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa19:39
red2kicnewlad: Notice "ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa" -- You want that.19:39
red2kicAlso, there are (Read about installing) link. It's very self-explaintory.19:39
red2kic"sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa" will do the trick. -- Then you update your sources with "aptitude update" (I can't remember what it is for apt-get). -- Then you search for "linux-meta-lts"19:41
red2kicAh. :19:41
red2kicsudo apt-get update19:41
newladand it should work after that?19:44
red2kicnewlad: When you update, you find the new package. You install it. Then you reboot it. You should see it, hopefully.19:48
red2kicnewlad: If not, hold SHIFT at bootup and roll back to older kernel.19:48
newladgrand so! ill give it a shot! thanks red2kic19:48
=== satamusic_ is now known as satamusic
red2kicnewlad: Let me know how it goes.19:49
newladred2kic: is this the verison im supposed to have now? 2.6.35-25?20:02
seidosnewlad: (cc red2kic) that's the default kernel in maverick, not an older one20:06
newladhmmm20:06
bioterror2.6.35-26-generic20:06
newladi must have done somehting wrong then i suppose ;)20:06
bioterrorthat's what I am running on 10.1020:07
seidosnewlad: u might want to install an older kernel from ppa.  search for "linux-image" to see what's available20:07
seidosit doesn't go back terribly far, though.20:07
red2kicnewlad: Did you install it though?20:09
red2kicnewlad: Not just adding the ppa -- but explicity install the package.20:10
newladwould it not do that automatically?20:10
newladoh]=)20:10
newladhmmm how do i do that?20:10
red2kicnewlad: No. You added the PPA. It's now in your repository. Then you search for the package.20:10
newladsorry about all this not20:10
red2kicIt's now on your repo. Look for it. "apt-cache linux-meta-lts"20:11
newladit says invalid operation20:11
red2kicnewlad: Err. "apt-cache search linux-meta" -- Sorry.20:12
newladnow it didnt do anything at all20:12
bioterrorwhy not just wget the certain files from mainline and dpkg -i20:12
red2kic(Mainly because I don't want him to do it everytime they released a kernel).20:13
red2kic:o20:13
bioterrorhe can choose from grub that installed kernel or something20:13
bioterrorand still get updates from the repositories20:13
red2kicnewlad: "apt-cache search linux-image-generic-lts-back"20:15
newladstill nothing im afraid20:15
bioterrorwhat are you searching for?20:15
red2kicnewlad: "apt-cache search linux-image" <-- Nothing?20:15
red2kichttps://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1415342/+listing-archive-extra20:16
newladthat new kernel package i suppose20:16
red2kicnewlad: Ya.20:16
newladthis came up http://paste.ubuntu.com/564654/20:18
red2kicnewlad: Did you ran "sudo apt-get update" after you added the ppa?20:19
newladyes20:19
red2kicnewlad: I suppose you can do what bioterror say -- dpkg -i package.deb20:19
red2kicIt should show up in the repo though. :\20:20
newladthats the exact comman i need?20:20
red2kicSomething like that. It's just an example syntax .20:20
newladoh dinners ready =D20:21
newladi thank you all so far! ill certainly have to come back at some stage to fuigre this one out =)20:22
newladthanks for all your help!20:22
hesamhi20:32
=== red2kic is now known as red2kic_
red2kic_exit20:36
Cheri703if I'm trying to determine what video card might work with an ubuntu system, should I search by gpu or actual brand/model (it's a zotac that I'm trying to find out about, but nvidia geforce 210 gpu)22:11
MrChrisDruifCheri703: Could you redefine your question?22:12
Cheri703ok, I am going to build a computer, I am trying to choose a video card, but I want to make sure it is compatible with ubuntu, should I search by chipset (GeForce 210) or by make/model (Zotac something-or-other)?22:13
Cheri703I have not found any info for the specific model so far22:13
Cheri703I guess further question is: is compatibility specific to gpu or do different models using the same gpu need slightly different drivers?22:14
tenachI am getting an exec error when I try to chroot from my liveusb to harddrive.22:22
madsailorCheri703,  check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsNvidia - should answer your question22:22
Cheri703awesome, thanks!22:22
tenachchroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error22:22
tenachHow would I go about this? I have the filesystem mounted and am running chroot as sudo22:22
MylaHi there. I just came in and need help.22:26
madsailortenach, you may need to run /usr/sbin/env-update in the chroot before you can issue bash commands22:26
MylaI tried to boot from a USB stick for the first time, and it froze.22:27
MylaHmm, I'll try asking somewhere else. Bye.22:28
holsteinlol22:28
tenachmadsailor: I can't even chroot into anything, I get that error, and there is no /usr/sbin/env-update22:28
tenachwow, Myla was impatient...22:28
holsteinbut polite22:29
holsteinkinda22:29
MrChrisDruiftenach: Yes Myla was impatient :P22:31
madsailortenach, ok.  first you need to mount the hard drive 'sudo mount /dev/yourhdhere /mnt/mountpoint', then run 'sudo chroot /mnt/mountpoint /bin/bash22:31
tenachmadsailor: I figured out my error I think; I'm booting from an i686 USB and the hdd has an amd64 install...22:31
tenachmadsailor: That is what is giving me the error; the hdd is mounted and the chroot fails. probably because of what I stated above.22:32
madsailortenach maybe...cant say I've tried 32bit to x64 chroot before.22:33
tenachmadsailor: yeah this is my first time too...22:34
tenachWell bugger.22:34
madsailortry asking in #ubuntu, bound to be someone with experience in that siruation22:34
tenachFrom the forum, it's looking like i can't.22:35
tenachAll I need to do is update-grub on the target machine22:35
madsailortenach, it's a pain, but I guess you could set up a x64 ubuntu usb22:36
tenachYeah it is a pain, as i'm not where I can do that right now.22:37
tenachLooks like I'm going to need to buy another usb stick and keep one i686 and the other amd64. :/22:37
MrChrisDruiftenach: ??22:38
MrChrisDruifamd64 and i686....why?22:38
tenachMrChrisDruif: You can't chroot from i686 into an amd64 machine.22:38
madsailortenach, if you are just changing the MBR with the grub update you may be able to configure it manually.  Check the grub2 docs on ubuntu support22:39
tenachmadsailor: Grub2 requires update-grub to be run.22:39
tenachI've tried manually already. :/22:39
madsailortenach, when you boot the machine what happens...do you come to the grub menu?22:43
tenachmadsailor: It fails due to acpi. I just need to acpi=off.22:43
tenachbrb.22:43
madsailortenach, just wondering if you get to the grub menu on boot, because you can manually boot the ubuntu partition with flags like that22:48
madsailortenach, also, it might help following this line by line :https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD22:51
tenachback22:51
tenachI've fixed it and also set the default to acpi=off so future updates shouldn't do this...22:51
tenachmadsailor: no, the grub menu is hidden by default22:51
tenachThanks for the help madsailor :)22:57
madsailortenach, well, with no grub menu, and no chroot ability there's no way to change the system, so the only option left that I see is to change to x64 usb22:58
madsailoryep, np....sorry there's no easier answer (that I know of)22:58
tenachmadsailor: I've got the issue worked out - turns out you *can* edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg manually, even if it says you can't.22:58
tenachEdited it, then changed /etc/default/grub after booting into the machine, then ran update-grub to clean the file :)22:59
madsailortenach, great.glad you got it sorted22:59
tenachAgain, thanks for the help :)23:00
* madsailor tips his hat at tenach23:01

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!