[00:00] <shawn146> how do i hit aply/
[00:00] <MrChrisDruif> Alternative install right?
[00:00] <shawn146> apply
[00:00] <shawn146> yea
[00:00] <shawn146> text mode install
[00:00] <shawn146> from ubuntu 10.10 dvd
[00:00] <MrChrisDruif> There's e: Exit something: Apply in the bottom
[00:03] <shawn146> yea..
[00:03] <shawn146> idk how to get there
[00:03] <shawn146> i tried shift 1
[00:03] <shawn146> it looks like it applied
[00:04] <shawn146> is that all?
[00:07] <shawn146> do i quit now?
[00:37] <shawn146> would i just quit Zoda?
[00:37] <shawn146> *zkriesse
[00:38] <zkriesse> I have no idea man
[00:38] <zkriesse> I've not done the minimal install before
[00:38] <shawn146> oh
[00:38] <zkriesse> So I don't wanna say anything for fear of messing you up
[00:38] <shawn146> ...
[00:40] <shawn146> i just quit
[00:40] <shawn146> atpitude
[01:04] <paultag> aveilleux: prod
[01:05] <shawn146> whats teh metal taht is easy to melt and stars witha  p
[01:05] <paultag> shawn146: erm, what?
[01:06] <shawn146> somethign we used in shop class in middle school
[01:06] <shawn146> i forgot the name of it
[01:06] <paultag> there's Pb -- lead
[01:06] <paultag> but I bet you don't use that
[01:06] <paultag> shawn146: what did you do with it?
[01:06] <aveilleux> paultag: pong
[01:07] <shawn146> use low power pots
[01:07] <paultag> aveilleux: someone in -dev was asking about accessibility, figured I'd poke you
[01:07] <shawn146> to metl the P something and it pours into clay molds like fancy chess pieces
[01:07] <shawn146> *melt
[01:07] <aveilleux> paultag: What about accessibility? Not really my forte
[01:07] <shawn146> and solidifies very fast
[01:08] <paultag> aveilleux: oh crap, who was I confusing you with
[01:08] <aveilleux> shawn146: pewter?
[01:08] <shawn146> an yes
[01:08] <shawn146> thank you
[01:08] <paultag> Billg: just a moment
[01:08] <shawn146> *ah
[01:09]  * JackyAlcine is drowning in blueprints, translations and hundreds of lines of codes.
[01:09] <JackyAlcine> Gah!
[01:09] <paultag> Billg: the person I thought was on the acc team turns out not to be here. I totally screwed up. I'd try #ubuntu-accessibility   :(
[01:10] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine: take a deep breath
[01:10] <gunndawg> :)
[01:11]  * JackyAlcine inhales
[01:11]  * JackyAlcine chokes on a segmentation fault.
[01:11] <gunndawg> eh oh, segfault?
[01:11] <gunndawg> no bueno
[01:11] <paultag> http://xkcd.com/371/
[01:12] <gunndawg> haha
[01:12] <gunndawg> thats awesome
[01:12] <JackyAlcine> that's something that gets bookmarked. :D
[01:12] <gunndawg> indeed
[01:13] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine: what are you working on ?
[01:13] <JackyAlcine> https://www.launchpad.net/cmusphinx-train
[01:14] <JackyAlcine> Originally, I was using Qt, but my head adviser wanted 100% ATK, so I moved to GTKmm.
[01:14] <JackyAlcine> And RefPtrs are NOT meant to be made global; gah.
[01:15] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine: aye
[01:15] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine: Top Contributors: Jack Alcine 37 points :)
[01:16] <JackyAlcine> :D
[01:17] <gunndawg> Jacky I am workin on a p2p client
[01:17] <gunndawg> that pulls its search results from frostwire, and emule
[01:17] <gunndawg> and maybe limewire
[01:17] <aveilleux> gunndawg: So it's a GNUtella client
[01:17] <gunndawg> aveilleux: essentially, yes
[01:18] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: That sounds superhandy.
[01:18] <JackyAlcine> Probably even more increased download/upload speeds, no?
[01:18] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine: I dont know how it will turn out, yet, we'll see ;)
[01:19] <gunndawg> if I can tap emules, and frostwires pipes without having to authenticate with them, then yes, it should be a bit quicker
[01:19] <aveilleux> gunndawg: Can't you connect to the networks directly and save the piping?
[01:20] <gunndawg> aveilleux: yeah but thats no fun ;)
[01:20] <aveilleux> gunndawg: And more legal...
[01:21] <gunndawg> aveilleux: bah, thats the boring way ;)
[01:29] <distort3d> Question, Wich is beter openbox or fluxbox?
[01:30] <paultag> distort3d: given my own personal distort3d view, fluxbox
[01:31] <distort3d> Ok thanks.
[01:32] <aveilleux> distort3d: fluxbox is much more user-friendly.
[01:32] <shawn146> hmm
[01:33] <shawn146> do i need Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud (instance)?
[01:34] <gunndawg> for what shawn146 ?
[01:34] <shawn146> for nothing
[01:37] <gunndawg> shawn146: do you need it for nothing? I guess not
[01:51] <distort3d> gksu doesnt work in fluxbox?
[01:52] <johnny77> why would update manager not allow me to update something? It shows an update, but won't let me check the box.
[01:53] <distort3d> try in terminal
[01:53] <distort3d> sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:54] <shawn146> what is it used fir>'
[01:54] <shawn146> *for
[01:55] <johnny77> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/564169/
[01:55] <johnny77> it's for docky.
[01:56] <Billg> ok... so i can run current devel release as main work enviroment by doing sudo update-manager -d?
[01:56] <JoeMaverickSett> johnny77: try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:56] <shawn146> no i mean Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud (instance)
[01:57] <johnny77> JoeMaverickSett: why did that work?
[01:58] <JoeMaverickSett> johnny77: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18330 <-- this explains it better than i could
[02:00] <JoeMaverickSett> johnny77: and you could "man apt-get" and scroll down to "dist-upgrade" section shall explain you more. :)
[02:01] <shawn146> what is Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud (instance)
[02:02] <JackyAlcine> shawn146: It's like Ubuntu One, but for business.
[02:02] <JackyAlcine> or other large-scale commerical computing needs.
[02:02] <shawn146> oh
[02:03] <shawn146> so nothing that iw oud use
[02:03] <JackyAlcine> shawn146: Perhaps.
[02:04] <shawn146> ok
[02:04] <shawn146> what aout DNS server?
[02:04] <shawn146> *about
[02:05] <aveilleux> shawn146: What kind of machine is this?
[02:06] <shawn146> its a toshiba satellite
[02:06] <shawn146> laptop
[02:06] <shawn146> odler
[02:06] <shawn146> like when XP was mainline
[02:07] <gunndawg> shawn146: I have a Toshiba Satellite but its a new one :)
[02:08] <aveilleux> shawn146: No, I mean what are you using it for. Desktop use? A Web server?
[02:10] <shawn146> installing ubuntu on it for a froemd
[02:10] <shawn146> *friend
[02:11] <aveilleux> shawn146: That doesn't answer my question.... so, desktop use?
[02:11] <shawn146> yea
[02:11] <shawn146> mroe or less
[02:11] <shawn146> for browseign
[02:12] <shawn146> and him to learn to use
[02:12] <aveilleux> shawn146: You don't need any of the things you're talking about then
[02:21] <paultag> 02:12 <+aveilleux> shawn146: You don't need any of the things you're talking about then
[02:21] <paultag> Oh jeez
[02:21] <paultag> damn mouse
[02:21] <paultag> shawn146: aveilleux knows a ton, don't get on her case, dude
[02:21] <paultag> shawn146: and she's here on her time working to help people like you
[02:21] <paultag> shawn146: so cut her some slack, mang
[02:22] <aveilleux> paultag: Get on... whose case
[02:22] <aveilleux> did I miss something?
[02:22] <paultag> Oh holy jesus christ
[02:22] <paultag> aveilleux: shawn146: sorry dudes, I'm drunk. I thought you ( shawn146 ) were giving aveilleux crap
[02:22] <paultag> I did not read that
[02:22]  * paultag goes away
[02:23] <paultag> my bad, sorry shawn146
[02:23] <paultag> carry on
[02:23] <aveilleux> geezum crow
[02:23] <paultag> my bad! my bad!
[02:24] <aveilleux> lol paultag, no harm no foul
[02:25] <JackyAlcine> lol, why are you on IRC if you're drunk?
[02:26] <paultag> JackyAlcine: dude, it's fun as fuck
[02:26] <JackyAlcine> lol, I think running around Manhattan's upper side at 3 in the morning is as fun as that. :D
[02:26] <aveilleux> language | paultag
[02:26] <aveilleux> er
[02:26] <aveilleux> !language | paultag
[02:26] <ubot2> paultag: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
[02:27] <aveilleux> paultag: this isn't -team :P
[02:27] <JackyAlcine> lol. it isn't.
[02:27] <paultag> noted duly :)
[02:27] <JackyAlcine> random: I might go to the UDS-0
[02:28] <gpc> Don't drink and paultag kids. See what happens when you do :P
[02:28] <HoboSteaux> my /dev now shows sd[a-h][1-15] anyone have this issue before
[02:29] <paultag> gpc: :P
[02:30] <JackyAlcine> HoboSteaux: Like one file called sd[a-h][1-15]?
[02:30] <HoboSteaux> no, separate instances
[02:30] <JackyAlcine> HoboSteaux: That's normal.
[02:31] <JackyAlcine> I believe.
[02:31] <HoboSteaux> not on any of my other nix boxes
[02:31] <JackyAlcine> hm, wait that isn't.
[02:31] <HoboSteaux> ive never seen 120 sdX's before
[02:31] <distort3d> i only have that with ram [1-15]
[02:31] <HoboSteaux> :P
[02:31] <JackyAlcine> What drives do you have installed?
[02:31] <HoboSteaux> 1 drive, it was perfectly stable for 3 months
[02:32] <HoboSteaux> its over usb
[02:32] <distort3d> looks like a scrambled egg
[02:32]  * JackyAlcine has a dark past with external hard drives. **shudders**
[02:32] <HoboSteaux> heh
[02:33] <shawn146> hmm
[02:33] <JackyAlcine> But yes, a scrambled egg indeed, although I'm not sure as to why that's happening.
[02:33] <shawn146> ok sorry back
[02:34] <HoboSteaux> someone suggested bad interface, i know its not the HD (tried on other comps)
[02:34] <JackyAlcine> perhaps.
[02:35] <HoboSteaux> ive had limeted success with resetting
[02:42] <shawn146> which one of these do i need?http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n436/shawn146/100_1631.jpg
[02:43] <JoeMaverickSett> shawn146: for a normal use, i don't think you need a DNS, LAMP and mail servers ?
[02:44] <aveilleux> shawn146: None of hem except Ubuntu Desktop
[02:44] <aveilleux> shawn146: Why are you using the server installation disc?
[02:45] <shawn146> i'm not
[02:45] <shawn146> i am using a dvd
[02:45] <aveilleux> shawn146: ....why are you using a DVD then\\
[02:45] <shawn146> sicne dvd+rw's are my last hope
[02:45] <gunndawg> shawn146: why are you trying to install ubuntu server ?
[02:45] <shawn146> of installing
[02:45] <shawn146> i'm not
[02:45] <distort3d> just select desktop & openssh, deselect rest
[02:45] <shawn146> i looked for ubuntu 32-bit dvd download
[02:45] <shawn146> this is an older machine
[02:46] <shawn146> is this really server?
[02:46] <aveilleux> shawn146: Yes, that's the server installation
[02:46] <shawn146> what
[02:46] <JoeMaverickSett> why a DVD? it would have worked with just a CD.
[02:46] <aveilleux> shawn146: Why are you using a DVD? You can burn a CD ISO to a DVD.
[02:46] <shawn146> i just selected a different install mode for Ubuntu 10.10
[02:47] <distort3d> good point, but the standard iso need to be on a DV also so why not burn a full DVD with the DVD image :P
[02:47] <shawn146> i tried that aveilleux and nero would not permit it
[02:47] <shawn146> so i spent 40 minutes downlloading and burning
[02:47] <shawn146> i want to get ubuntu on this
[02:48] <shawn146> my friend needs his laptop tomorrow ;/
[02:48] <aveilleux> shawn146: ...then don't use Nero, it's a terrible program
[02:48] <shawn146> i ahve tried Image burn too
[02:48] <aveilleux> shawn146: Imgburn should have let you
[02:48] <shawn146> its looking for the correct disc format for the iso
[02:56] <distort3d> woot i found my mobile phone nokia 1011 i lost it years ago
[02:58] <distort3d> it was one of the first mobile phones, maybe they can unlock it now :|
[03:06] <shawn146> hmm
[03:06] <shawn146> i am stuck >.<
[03:06] <shawn146> idk what to do know
[03:07] <tool88> i installed ubuntu to a flash drive so i can take it to school but i have no gui
[03:07] <shawn146> is it possible to boot the cd iso off of a dvd?
[03:08] <holstein> tool88: what machine? i would look at the graphics card
[03:08] <shawn146> hey holstein
[03:08] <holstein> maybe make an xorg.conf that uses vesa
[03:08] <holstein> shawn146: o/ :)
[03:08] <tool88> its my acer that im using a crt
[03:08] <tool88> i wasnt sure if i did something wrong
[03:09] <holstein> tool88: i wouldnt rule it out ;)
[03:09] <tool88> the boot screen looks like the recovery sscreen
[03:09] <holstein> tool88: i am assuming several things
[03:09] <aveilleux> tool88: Graphics card, not monitor
[03:09] <holstein> that you actually installed something with a desktop
[03:09] <tool88> yeah im not ruling out operator error
[03:09] <holstein> using the normal live CD
[03:09] <holstein> or whatever
[03:10] <holstein> tool88: you could get a live CD
[03:10] <holstein> or USB
[03:10] <holstein> at boot, hit shift
[03:10] <holstein> then F6
[03:10] <holstein> then use the nomodeset setting
[03:10] <tool88> tried that
[03:10] <holstein> IF this were a USB stick i wanted to just boot in any machine
[03:11] <holstein> i would probably force vesa driver
[03:11] <holstein> tool88: do tell..
[03:11] <tool88> ok didnt try that sorry but ill give it a shot
[03:11] <tool88> yeah
[03:11] <holstein> im not a crazy savy X guy
[03:12] <holstein> so, sometimes, i try a knoppix disc
[03:12] <holstein> and grab the xorg.conf from there
[03:12] <shawn146> ok back
[03:12] <shawn146> is it possible?
[03:12] <shawn146> if it is i want ot try it xD
[03:12] <tool88> yeah i wanted to take it to school as the computers arnt really mine till i graduate
[03:13] <tool88> ok well you threw a bunch of things at me im going to have to google
[03:13] <holstein> shawn146: you can burn a DVD
[03:13] <holstein> with the cd iso
[03:13] <holstein> *should be able to
[03:13] <shawn146> how
[03:13] <tool88> its tough leaving a windows world
[03:13] <shawn146> i am going to try this on anotehr dvd+rw
[03:13] <holstein> tool88: try going back after a while
[03:13] <holstein> thats tougher
[03:13] <holstein> shawn146: just fire it up, and cook it
[03:14] <shawn146> ok
[03:14] <shawn146> i threw another one in
[03:14] <tool88> unetbootin will do it
[03:14] <holstein> yeah, unet dont care
[03:14] <tool88> always burn your disk at lowest speed
[03:14] <shawn146> lowest?
[03:14]  * holstein throws caution to the wind ;)
[03:15] <shawn146> 1x?
[03:15] <shawn146> that would take days
[03:15] <tool88> lol maybe not that low
[03:16] <holstein> if its a rw, you can always re-try it
[03:16] <shawn146> yea :/
[03:16] <holstein> that takes time too though
[03:16] <shawn146> 56x?
[03:16] <holstein> 4x should go through
[03:16] <shawn146> time is what i do not have :(
[03:16] <aveilleux> UNetBootIn doesn't burn to disc
[03:16] <shawn146> how long though
[03:16] <aveilleux> It writes an ISO to a Flash drive
[03:17] <shawn146> just like win to flash
[03:17] <holstein> aveilleux: i believe the speeds we are disussing is not in relation to unet
[03:17] <holstein> are not*
[03:17] <holstein> shawn146: you know what aveilleux means right?
[03:17] <tool88> no i brought that up for the flash boot
[03:18] <shawn146> no
[03:18]  * gunndawg makes a sad face
[03:18] <holstein> unet has never asked me what speed to move the data over
[03:18] <gunndawg> just read a few articles about how linux is slowly dying out
[03:18] <gunndawg> hi madsailor
[03:18] <holstein> gunndawg: you want me to link some to the contrary ;)
[03:18] <gunndawg> holstein: please do
[03:19] <aveilleux> gunndawg: You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet
[03:19] <gunndawg> I have read like 3 or 4 diff articles today about how linux is slowly dying out, etc
[03:19] <holstein> linux is like that, simultaneouly dying out, and growing
[03:19] <tool88> is that sarcasm i think its at easiest its ever been
[03:19] <gunndawg> aveilleux: I dont
[03:19] <madsailor> hey gunndawg, how's chromium treating you tonight?
[03:19] <holstein> all those linux kernels on the android phones
[03:19] <gunndawg> madsailor: its hit or miss I suppose
[03:19] <shawn146> what?
[03:19] <shawn146> linux is not dying
[03:19] <shawn146> its opensource
[03:19] <shawn146> big communities
[03:19] <holstein> yeah, linux is not a buisness like that
[03:20] <holstein> to 'dye out'
[03:20] <gunndawg> shawn146: that doesnt matter, its support is dying out and moving to windows
[03:20] <tool88> as long as there are cheap people in this world linux has  spot
[03:20] <gunndawg> http://www.devside.net/articles/ubuntu-linux-dying
[03:20] <holstein> support in buntu is way better
[03:20] <holstein> all the time
[03:20] <shawn146> what
[03:20] <aveilleux> gunndawg: Of course a site about .NET will say that Linux is dying
[03:20] <holstein> you cant say support is moving to windows
[03:20] <aveilleux> gunndawg: Its entire market is based around Windows
[03:21] <holstein> that support never left windows
[03:21] <shawn146> well i am not moving to micro$oft winblows
[03:21] <shawn146> :)
[03:21] <tool88> might be true that 90 percent of buisnes use windows
[03:21] <shawn146> wpow
[03:21] <shawn146> that is not right
[03:21] <tool88> but main servers are using linux unix
[03:21] <shawn146> bill gates is basically buying their lives
[03:21] <gunndawg> yeah
[03:21] <madsailor> gunndawg, would you mind trying some plymouth themes that I made since I have only verified them at my resolution (since I know you are now a plymouth & theme master ;)))
[03:22] <gunndawg> madsailor: surely
[03:23] <madsailor> they're at https://github.com/madsailor/XBMC-Plymouth-Bootsplash-Screens...you can download a tar or zip from the downloads button on the right of the page
[03:23] <madsailor> appreciate it
[03:24] <aveilleux> gunndawg: Whoever wrote that article seems to forget that Canonical offers paid support
[03:25] <aveilleux> gunndawg: and... Mark Shuttleworth paid to go into space... he's freaking rich
[03:25] <holstein> and, thats not the goal
[03:25] <holstein> to sell desktop support
[03:25] <holstein> the app store, and ubuntu one are attempts to be marketable
[03:25] <holstein> good ones too
[03:26] <tool88> im sure better than xandros ever was
[03:26] <gunndawg> google is the last and biggest critical force on the market. Without google there would be even less open source and linux, imo
[03:26] <holstein> eh
[03:27] <holstein> google doesnt really create all that much open source
[03:28] <gunndawg> yeah but there are still doubts as to whether they are the good guys or not
[03:28] <holstein> they run a buisness
[03:28] <holstein> good or bad aint going to ever be a part of it
[03:28] <holstein> seems to be OK for us though
[03:28] <holstein> so far
[03:28] <shawn146> so do i need to write at 56x?
[03:28] <tool88> and just think how safe all your stuff will be on a cloud os
[03:28] <collinp> To put this in perspective.
[03:28] <gunndawg> yeah gut in regards to the competition there's no doubt left
[03:29] <collinp> Google is the FOSS world's only hope of toppling Microsoft.
[03:29] <gunndawg> oracle, microsoft, ibm, sony, etc
[03:29] <holstein> shawn146: i wouldnt sweat the speed
[03:29] <holstein> IF you have problems, slow it down
[03:29] <shawn146> oh ok lol
[03:29] <holstein> collinp: hehe, agreed
[03:29] <shawn146> so AWS is fine?
[03:29] <collinp> And Microsoft is falling. Slowly, but it is.
[03:30] <gunndawg> collinp: poor them ;)
[03:30] <madsailor> google's credo is "don't be evil"
[03:30] <madsailor> whether they follow it or not
[03:31] <tool88> id say linux in general still has some catching up to ms with the ease part
[03:31] <gunndawg> tool88: well that goes without saying, of course
[03:31] <holstein> madsailor: yeah? im pretty sure the credo is 'sell advertising'
[03:31] <holstein> tool88: im not sure about that
[03:31] <holstein> depending on hardware
[03:32] <holstein> i find it a lot easier to install buntu
[03:32] <gunndawg> holstein: so do I
[03:32] <holstein> with all the drivers we have in the kernel
[03:32] <holstein> modular
[03:32] <holstein> too easy
[03:32] <shawn146> ?
[03:32] <holstein> best case scenario with windows
[03:32] <madsailor> holstein,  what they say, not necessarily what they do
[03:32] <holstein> you have on of those driver discs
[03:32] <warlock_> I am having an issue with Ubuntu x64 iso.Would anyone be able to help
[03:32] <shawn146> oh hell i am just gonna try it
[03:33] <holstein> shawn146: cook it
[03:33] <holstein> warlock_: whats up?
[03:33] <tool88> i had problems with the 64 the 32 works perfect
[03:33] <collinp> If Linux is going anywhere, we _have_ to get commercial support, no matter how much we like it.
[03:33] <holstein> collinp: agreed
[03:34] <holstein> of course, the question is, does linux need to 'go anywhere'
[03:34] <holstein> ?
[03:34] <holstein> i think it would be great
[03:34] <holstein> but i can understand the arguments about keeping it small and niche
[03:34] <tool88> with the track linux is on id say its just starting
[03:35] <shawn146> Device Not Ready (Logical Unit not ready, Operation in progress)
[03:35] <shawn146> dang
[03:35] <shawn146> than it stops
[03:36] <shawn146> wat do i do
[03:37] <gunndawg> shawn146: dumb question but I figure I'll ask. Do you have hardware that supports 64bit ?
[03:37] <shawn146> this laptop
[03:37] <shawn146> but not myfriends
[03:38] <shawn146> i downlaoded the 32-bit desktop version also
[03:38] <shawn146> but its not burning on my DVD+RW
[03:38] <tool88> do you have any media?
[03:38] <gunndawg> shawn146: might wanna make sure it supports 64bit before trying to install a 64bit OS
[03:38] <tool88> or use windows image burner
[03:39] <shawn146> am i saying 64-bit?
[03:40] <gunndawg> shawn146: I was confusing you with someone else
[03:40] <holstein> shawn146: show it who's boss
[03:40] <holstein> :)
[03:40] <shawn146> ?
[03:40] <holstein> you want to burn an iso, burn an iso
[03:40] <holstein> those rw's are strange sometimes
[03:40] <tool88> what program you using shawn
[03:40] <holstein> ive had mixed luck with them
[03:41] <holstein> i had better luck with gnomebaker
[03:41] <holstein> if memory serves
[03:41] <shawn146> IMGburn
[03:42] <madsailor> shawn146, if you are really having trouble with your burner and have a spare USB pen drive you can use it to install instead
[03:42] <shawn146> i am on windows atm
[03:42] <shawn146> and i have tried usb alreayd
[03:42] <tool88> are you on w7?
[03:42] <madsailor> ahh..ok
[03:42] <shawn146> my friends laptop doesn't support usb boot
[03:42] <shawn146> my burner is brand new and perfectly fine
[03:43] <shawn146> a 1200 dollah laptop betta be gooda
[03:43] <aveilleux> shawn146: You sure? I mean, my laptop from 1996 supports USB booting
[03:43] <tool88> its eigther the media or the program
[03:43] <shawn146> i am sure
[03:43] <shawn146> its not in the bios
[03:44] <aveilleux> shawn146: It's usually called "removable devices"
[03:44] <aveilleux> shawn146: If you can get to a temporary boot menu, it should be listed under the hard drives
[03:44] <tool88> if your using w7 try right cliking the iso and use windows built in burner see if that works
[03:44] <shawn146> i'm using 64-bit win7 xD
[03:48] <shawn146> but i want to make the iso and dvd bootable
[03:48] <shawn146> well the iso is bootable
[03:48] <shawn146> i meant the dis
[03:48] <shawn146> k
[03:48] <shawn146> w
[03:48] <shawn146> w
[03:48] <shawn146> oops
[03:48] <tool88> so its not fianlizing the disk?
[03:49] <aveilleux> shawn146: If you burn the ISO properly, it will be bootable
[03:50] <tool88> can you put a iso on a dvdrw dosnt it need to finalize the disk to be bootable
[03:53] <warlock_> when it is done it should eject it self
[03:54] <aveilleux> warlock_: Not necessarily. Not every program does that.
[03:55] <shawn146> no
[03:55] <shawn146> it wont even burn
[03:55] <tool88> try another program to burn it
[03:56] <holstein> http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windowsexperience/archive/2009/04/13/burn-iso-images-natively-in-windows-7.aspx
[03:56] <holstein> shawn146: ^^
[03:56] <tool88> yyeah
[03:56] <tool88> if you right click you can choose to burn with windows
[03:56] <shawn146> -_-
[03:57] <shawn146> i am getting nowhere
[03:57] <aveilleux> shawn146: Why are you using a DVD+RW again?
[03:59] <shawn146> its my last hope
[03:59] <shawn146> my cd-rws went bad
[03:59] <aveilleux> shawn146: What about normal CD-Rs
[04:00] <shawn146> already used them
[04:00] <gunndawg> time to watch the live feed of the adam carolla podcast!
[04:00] <shawn146> and id rather use something rewritable
[04:00] <aveilleux> why?
[04:00] <aveilleux> shawn146: It's not like the data on the installation disc changes
[04:00] <shawn146> so i can reuse it
[04:01] <shawn146> but a dvd is a different format
[04:01] <aveilleux> shawn146: You can use a CD-R more than once :/
[04:01] <aveilleux> shawn146: And no, actually, DVDs use the same ISO-1990 format
[04:01] <shawn146> not rigt
[04:01] <aveilleux> shawn146: Key word "use", not "burn"
[04:02] <shawn146> a cd-r can only right and right to how much space is left
[04:02] <shawn146> i am using burn what are you using
[04:02] <aveilleux> shawn146: write*
[04:02] <shawn146> ?
[04:02] <aveilleux> shawn146: I use either Brasero (Linux) or CDBurnerXP (on Windows)
[04:03] <aveilleux> shawn146: you said "right". The correct word is "write"
[04:04] <shawn146> well tahts what i meant >.<
[04:04] <shawn146> making me go crazzyyyyy
[04:09] <shawn146> aw
[04:09] <shawn146> can someone help me
[04:09] <shawn146> i have had his laptop for a year now
[04:09] <shawn146> i need to install ubuntu
[04:09] <holstein> shawn146: did you try http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windowsexperience/archive/2009/04/13/burn-iso-images-natively-in-windows-7.aspx
[04:10] <madsailor> <- wonders why people don't give me a laptop for a year
[04:12] <shawn146> trying
[04:13] <shawn146> hey its burning :D
[04:16] <gunndawg> good
[04:16] <holstein> lol
[04:16] <shawn146> finalizing :O
[04:16] <shawn146> verifying :O:O
[04:20] <shawn146> :O
[04:20] <shawn146> it finished
[04:21] <gunndawg> now go install it
[04:26] <shawn146> i don't think it will
[04:27] <gunndawg> why not ?
[04:27] <shawn146> its not burnt right
[04:28] <holstein> yeah it is
[04:28] <holstein> if you followed that link i gave
[04:28] <holstein> and it finished properly
[04:28] <holstein> shawn146: right when its loading
[04:28] <holstein> hit shift
[04:28] <shawn146> its not booting
[04:28] <holstein> shawn146: at all?
[04:28] <holstein> is the drive spinning?
[04:29] <shawn146> i'm trying it
[04:29] <shawn146> yes
[04:29] <gunndawg> shawn146: did you change your boot device to CD/DVD in the bios ?
[04:29] <shawn146> it boots from dvd's
[04:29] <holstein> unless its broken
[04:29] <holstein> if its a DVD/CD drive
[04:29] <holstein> i'll boot from either
[04:29] <gunndawg> Hit F12 when you power your computer on to get to boot menu
[04:29] <gunndawg> and change it to CD/DVD
[04:29] <gunndawg> at least I think its F12, might be F8
[04:30] <shawn146> its bootin to the isolinux line thing
[04:30] <shawn146> than takes forever
[04:30] <shawn146> ISOLINUX 4.10 Debian
[04:30] <shawn146> or somethin
[04:30] <holstein> cool
[04:30] <holstein> hit shift then
[04:31] <shawn146> i see keyboard = davinchi man in purple screen
[04:31] <holstein> cool
[04:31] <holstein> thats a good step
[04:31] <shawn146> now with ubuntu loading
[04:31] <holstein> its booting
[04:31] <shawn146> how longg
[04:31] <holstein> it'll either work eventually
[04:31] <holstein> OR, its 'hanging'
[04:32]  * shawn146 faceplants into keyboard
[04:32] <holstein> you can say 'my bootable DVD is booting, but its not loading, seems to be hanging'
[04:32] <holstein> shawn146: its takes a while
[04:32] <holstein> can take a while
[04:32] <holstein> BUT
[04:32] <holstein> next time
[04:32] <shawn146> i hear noises
[04:32] <shawn146> and reving
[04:32] <holstein> you're going to hit shift
[04:33] <holstein> but, just hang on for a while
[04:33] <shawn146> hit shift right now?
[04:33] <holstein> could take 4 minutes or so
[04:33] <holstein> shawn146: nope
[04:33] <holstein> next time
[04:33] <holstein> IF this doesnt work
[04:33] <holstein> and im not paying attention
[04:33] <holstein> you'll boot the CD
[04:33] <holstein> and hit shift
[04:33] <holstein> right after the isolinux thing
[04:34] <holstein> then you can pass some trouble-shooting arguments along
[04:34] <holstein> BUT, if the disc is still making noise
[04:34] <holstein> you're probably fine
[04:34] <shawn146> yea
[04:34] <shawn146> bit quietly
[04:35] <shawn146> *but
[04:35] <holstein> well, its your hardware
[04:35] <holstein> you'll know what the drive sounds like when its reading
[04:35] <holstein> or just sitting there spinning
[04:35] <shawn146> i do?
[04:35]  * shawn146 stares up blindly
[04:35] <holstein> well, you might
[04:35] <shawn146> xD
[04:36] <holstein> assuming you've used the drive while paying attention
[04:36] <holstein> ;)
[04:36] <shawn146> i have many times this year
[04:36] <shawn146> >.<
[04:36] <shawn146> its stressfull now
[04:36] <holstein> stressful?
[04:36] <shawn146> yea
[04:36] <holstein> what is?
[04:36] <shawn146> after you get one distro of ubuntu working FINALLY
[04:37] <shawn146> they come out with another one
[04:37] <shawn146> and delete the apps you use
[04:37] <holstein> eh
[04:37] <holstein> im still running 10.04
[04:37] <shawn146> i was running 9.10
[04:37] <holstein> just did a fresh install last week :)
[04:37] <shawn146> exactly with it became 2010
[04:37] <holstein> you can dist-upgrade
[04:38] <holstein> i did a dist-upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04
[04:38] <holstein> went well
[04:38] <shawn146> it ried
[04:38] <shawn146> took too long
[04:38] <shawn146> so i quit
[04:38] <shawn146> and am trying this
[04:38] <holstein> how did that work out for you?
[04:38] <holstein> ;)
[04:38] <holstein> when i do those
[04:38] <holstein> i just let them run over night
[04:39] <holstein> getting quicker it seems
[04:39] <holstein> used to take 8 hours ;)
[04:39] <holstein> with my fast-ish network too
[04:40] <holstein> anyways, dont let it push you around shawn146
[04:40] <holstein> tell it what you want it to do
[04:40] <DiegoTc> someone has install moinmoin??
[04:41] <holstein> DiegoTc: i read about it a lot
[04:41] <holstein> didnt get around to it though
[04:41] <DiegoTc> holstein, this is my wiki
[04:41] <DiegoTc> http://wiki.diegoturcios.org/
[04:41] <shawn146> (process:273): GLib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)
[04:41] <DiegoTc> just install but i don't get it how to remove that information page
[04:41] <holstein> ive been meaning to DL http://www.turnkeylinux.org/moinmoin
[04:41] <holstein> and give it a look
[04:42] <shawn146> ???
[04:42] <shawn146> whats goin on
[04:42] <gunndawg> holstein: looks interesting
[04:42] <DiegoTc> holstein, looks great
[04:43] <DiegoTc> holstein, think you can help me
[04:43] <holstein> shawn146: thats probably OK
[04:43] <holstein> just let it go for a while and see
[04:43] <holstein> DiegoTc: im looking
[04:43] <shawn146> its not doing anything
[04:43] <holstein> DiegoTc: im not sure
[04:43] <holstein> did you make a user?
[04:43] <holstein> a superuser?
[04:44] <DiegoTc> yeap
[04:44] <holstein> http://jorgefer00.dyndns.org:8080/HelpOnConfiguration
[04:44] <holstein> DiegoTc: hmmm
[04:44] <shawn146> capslock light is just blinking
[04:44] <holstein> shawn146: thats bad
[04:44] <holstein> you can restart then
[04:44] <shawn146> i didn't touch it >.<
[04:44] <holstein> and try the shift thing
[04:44] <shawn146> O_O
[04:44] <holstein> after you hit shift
[04:44]  * shawn146 eyes go blood dry
[04:44] <holstein> you select the language
[04:44] <holstein> then hit F6
[04:45] <holstein> select 'nomodeset'
[04:45] <shawn146> its not showing me that screen
[04:45] <holstein> and try booting again
[04:45] <shawn146> just goes to ubuntu loading
[04:45] <holstein> shawn146: 'its' not?
[04:45] <shawn146> screen
[04:45] <holstein> shawn146: start again
[04:45] <holstein> and hit shift more
[04:45] <holstein> :)
[04:45] <shawn146> do you have skype?
[04:45] <holstein> not yet
[04:45] <shawn146> oh
[04:45] <shawn146> can you get it?
[04:45] <holstein> maybe later
[04:45] <holstein> im about to crash
[04:46] <shawn146> ...
[04:46] <shawn146> why
[04:46] <shawn146> can you plz help me
[04:46] <holstein> its late
[04:46] <shawn146> i am in a pandemic here
[04:46] <shawn146> i need to get this done tonight
[04:46] <holstein> well, all im going to do is tell you when to hit shift
[04:46] <shawn146> my friends been really asking for it
[04:46] <holstein> just try hitting shift
[04:46] <shawn146> WHEN
[04:46] <holstein> start now
[04:46] <holstein> and keep doing it
[04:46] <holstein> til you're sure it didnt work
[04:46] <shawn146> ...
[04:47] <shawn146> that will take forever
[04:47] <holstein> DiegoTc: the moin folk i know are not online :/
[04:47] <holstein> sorry im not going to be more help
[04:47] <holstein> shawn146: nah
[04:48] <shawn146> ...
[04:48] <holstein> it'll be right at the beginning
[04:48] <shawn146> my friends going to get mad
[04:48] <shawn146>  at me >.<
[04:48] <holstein> before the davinci thing
[04:48] <shawn146> oh
[04:48] <shawn146> i need to restart again..
[04:48] <holstein> yup
[04:49] <DiegoTc> okay
[04:49] <DiegoTc> thanks holstein
[04:49] <holstein> shawn146: like my grandmother used to say, you can tell your friend he has the same clothes to get glad in
[04:49] <holstein> :)
[04:49] <holstein> anyways, i gotta crash
[04:49] <shawn146> oh dang
[04:49] <shawn146> WIAT
[04:49] <shawn146> WAIT
[04:49] <holstein> shawn146: nomodeset is what you're looking for
[04:49] <shawn146> nomodeset?
[04:49] <shawn146> i did the shift thing
[04:50] <holstein> cool
[04:50] <shawn146> and it brougth me to the screen
[04:50] <holstein> what screen?
[04:50] <shawn146> with the options
[04:50] <shawn146> ubuntu
[04:50] <holstein> language?
[04:50] <holstein> OK
[04:50] <shawn146> try ubuntu without installing
[04:50] <holstein> hit F6
[04:50] <shawn146> install ubuntu
[04:50] <shawn146> and suchj
[04:50] <holstein> hit F6 *
[04:50] <shawn146> ok
[04:50] <holstein> thats where 'nomodeset' is
[04:50] <shawn146> and?
[04:50] <holstein> thats what you try next
[04:50] <shawn146> hit that?
[04:50] <holstein> yup
[04:51] <holstein> and do 'try without installing'
[04:51] <holstein> OR thats what i would do
[04:51] <shawn146> its only checked
[04:51] <holstein> you can do install i suppose
[04:51] <shawn146> will it run on 256 MB
[04:51] <holstein> BUT i wouldnt want to without seeing the desktop firts
[04:51] <shawn146> the 9.10 ubuntu did
[04:51] <holstein> first*
[04:51] <holstein> shawn146: you might need the alternate installer
[04:52] <holstein> shawn146: what version are you wanting?
[04:52] <holstein> 10.04?
[04:52] <shawn146> no
[04:52] <shawn146> i have 10.10
[04:52] <shawn146> the version i want
[04:52] <holstein> 256 should be fine
[04:52] <shawn146> ok
[04:53]  * holstein was checking at http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/
[04:53] <shawn146> oh
[04:53] <holstein> anyways, im out.. GN all
[04:53] <shawn146> wait
[04:53] <shawn146> can't you help a bit more?
[04:53] <shawn146> i checked the nomodeset
[04:53] <shawn146> what now
[04:55] <shawn146> ...
[05:02] <shawn146> kernal panic
[05:02] <shawn146> >.<
[05:03] <shawn146> hey can you help me?
[05:03] <shawn146> i jsut got kernal panic
[05:03] <shawn146> with ubuntu 10.10
[05:03] <shawn146> iso
[05:03] <shawn146> burnt on dvd
[05:03] <shawn146> ...
[05:13] <shawn146> zkriesse??
[05:15] <madsailor> shawn146,  maybe try on the main #ubuntu channel
[05:15] <zkriesse> Did someone ping me?
[05:15] <shawn146> i did...
[05:16] <shawn146> they said try the beginners channel
[05:17] <zkriesse> No they said the main ubuntu channel which is #ubuntu
[05:22] <gunndawg> Does ubuntu 10.10 come installed with a firewall? I wanna set up an apache server but also wanna make sure its secured
[05:24] <zkriesse> gunndawg: Well there is a lot of security built in but you can install a firewall manager from the Software Center
[05:25] <zkriesse> !firewall
[05:25] <ubot2> Ubuntu, like any other Linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | An alternative to ufw is the 'iptables' command - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo | GUI frontends such as Firestarter/Gufw (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE) also exist.
[05:25] <zkriesse> gunndawg: ^^
[05:25] <gunndawg> would I be secure enough with whats built in already if I isntall apache ?
[05:26] <bioterror> !apparmor
[05:26] <ubot2> For information about the AppArmor security framework employed in Ubuntu (since Gutsy Gibbon), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[05:26] <zkriesse> gunndawg: Should be
[05:26] <gunndawg> cool
[05:26] <zkriesse> gunndawg: Hey, I wrote a doc on installing Apache2, PHP5 on ubuntu coupled with Firebird RDBMS
[05:26] <zkriesse> If you care to look I can get the linky
[05:28] <humanitylos> hello
[05:28] <gunndawg> zkriesse: i'll take a look, sure
[05:29] <gunndawg> I wanna work on getting python to communicate with mysql :)
[05:32] <humanitylos> I need some help making a boot cd for ubuntu 10.10 i386... every program i have tried to burn the iso doesnt do it right (just seems to write it as a track) and if i try to make a usb flash boot windows seems to eject it and reinstall it in the middle of the process
[05:33] <bioterror> we have only i686 ;)
[05:34] <bioterror> humanity, i made last week a usb boot stick with universal usb installer
[05:34] <humanitylos> i have no idea what that is.. or even if its real lol
[05:34] <gunndawg> bioterror: afetr our convo last night I did some exploring and realised somthing, I dont have conkyrc
[05:34] <gunndawg> bioterror: so now I wonder if there are 2 different conkys
[05:34] <humanitylos> is that a win program or a linux command?
[05:34] <bioterror> gunndawg, i dont think so
[05:35] <bioterror> humanitylos, windows
[05:35] <humanitylos> let me try that...
[05:35] <gunndawg> bioterror: hmm the only place I have access to conky is via /etc/ so thats what I was on about and you said it was in ~ why did sudo apt-get install conky install it to etc ?
[05:35] <bioterror> pendrivelinux.com or what was that site
[05:36] <zkriesse> gunndawg: it's here at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firebird2.1/On/Ubuntu
[05:36] <bioterror> gunndawg, sometimes those placis have also configs, but if you backup your home and so on you get these configs
[05:37] <humanitylos> apperantly i have already tried that program bioterror...
[05:37] <bioterror> theres certain benefits in using .files instead system wide configurations
[05:37] <bioterror> less you have to use sudo, better that is. I think
[05:37] <gunndawg> bioterror: hm ok, every theme installation I look at for conky talks about conkyrc, which doesnt exist on my system
[05:37] <bioterror> humanitylos, check the md5sum of your iso
[05:37] <humanitylos> i have tried several of them.. even tried a PXE with no luck.. (probably because i dont know what im doing)
[05:38] <bioterror> gunndawg, becouse you have not made one
[05:38] <humanitylos> how do i do that?
[05:38] <humanitylos> im very new to linex
[05:38] <humanitylos> linux
[05:38] <gunndawg> bioterror: so you have to make a conkyrc folder ur self ?
[05:38] <gunndawg> bioterror: interesting
[05:38] <bioterror> no
[05:38] <bioterror> just .conkyrc
[05:39] <humanitylos> i got the file right from the ubuntu site
[05:39] <gunndawg> bioterror: what does the "rc" stand for in conkyrc ?
[05:39] <bioterror> just like any other rc -file in your /
[05:39] <bioterror> ~/
[05:40] <bioterror> humanitylos, i would like to help you, but my train has arrived to my destination point ill change to trams as i am commuting to work
[05:40] <humanitylos> thats cool
[05:40] <humanitylos> just a learning curve for me ... thanx for the help
[05:47] <gunndawg> ok, here goes nothing, about to install apache, mysql, and php
[05:48] <TheDelaY> can anyone here help me with a wifi problem
[05:49] <TheDelaY> how does one normaly go about getting comprehensive help with ubuntu?
[05:55] <gunndawg> TheDelaY: there are several channels on this irc network that offer plenty of help
[05:55] <zkriesse> TheDelaY: what's the issue with your WiFi?
[05:56] <zkriesse> !ask | TheDelaY
[05:56] <ubot2> TheDelaY: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[06:00] <distort3d> http://pastebin.com/BmRuhWHn
[06:02] <TheDelaY> sorry was in another chan
[06:04] <bioterror> gunndawg, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1487198
[06:04] <shawn146> from what holstein told me its still not working
[06:04] <shawn146> >.<
[06:05] <gunndawg> bioterror: yeah its already installed now bioterror but thx
[06:05] <gunndawg> bioterror: just trying to figure out where it put the /www folder and how to launch phpmyadmin now
[06:06] <bioterror> it's usually /var/ww
[06:06] <bioterror> /var/www
[06:06] <bioterror> if I remember right :D
[06:07] <gunndawg> bioterror: ah yes, found it, now to figure out how to get phpmyadmin launched
[06:07] <gunndawg> its installed
[06:07] <bioterror> was it /var/www?
[06:07] <gunndawg> but localhost/phpmyadmin does not appear to work
[06:07] <gunndawg> bioterror: yes
[06:13] <bioterror> gunndawg, you just need to configure ports for the phpmyadmind or what ever it was and connecto to that
[06:14] <bioterror> been like 5 years since last time I touched it
[06:14] <gunndawg> bioterror: but right out of the box http://localhost/phpmyadmin should work, right ?
[06:15] <bioterror> depends
[06:15] <bioterror> but usually that's a security risk :D
[06:15] <bioterror> that's why it's binded to another ports
[06:15] <gunndawg> hmm
[06:17] <gunndawg> got it workin bioterror
[06:17] <gunndawg> had to include it in the apache2.conf
[06:18] <gunndawg> sweet, got it all set up :)
[06:24] <TheDelaY> so i've dual installed ubuntu.studio 10.10 with windows, and i've been working on getting the wireless working on ubuntu, seems to have something to do with the manual button for wifi and a program that turnes it off when you shutdown windows. trying to get it fixed i made it worse by somehow rfkilling the wifi
[06:25] <bioterror> sounds almost like samsung laptop :)
[06:25] <bioterror> these seem to have these problems if you disable it from the windows, it wont work in ubuntu
[06:26] <TheDelaY> i almost had it working again in windows for a second, but now it's not again.
[06:27] <TheDelaY> s@IT:~$ rfkill list wifi
[06:28] <TheDelaY> hp-wifi: Wireless LAN
[06:28] <TheDelaY> Soft blocked: no
[06:28] <TheDelaY> 	Hard blocked: yes
[06:28] <TheDelaY> how do you unblock a hrd block
[06:33] <TheDelaY> and what's the deal with the past bin? is there one for every chan?
[06:34] <TheDelaY> and how do you actualy use it
[06:34] <madsailor> TheDelaY, maybe an unhelpful question, but have you physically toggled the wireless switch/button on the computer?
[06:34] <TheDelaY> for the last 3 days
[06:34] <TheDelaY> yes i have
[06:37] <madsailor> haha..ok. Well, seems that linux is saying it's the physical switch. it could be a bad contact in the physical switch itself, or a win vs linux issue that bioterror was talking about (and I know nothing about)
[06:38] <TheDelaY> it was working originaly, and it was still working after the linux dual install, but not in linux
[06:38] <TheDelaY> after some trying to get it fixed, it got worse
[06:39] <TheDelaY> now it no longer work's in windows
[06:40] <TheDelaY> but i did have it working and ubblocked earleir today, but only for one boot into windows. and the same command "rfkill unblock wifi" doesn't fix it this time
[06:41] <TheDelaY> i have hw due tomorrow so i've been trying not to think about how badly i need to be on the internet the last 3 days
[06:42] <madsailor> TheDelaY, did you try that command as sudo?
[06:43] <shawn146> well good night
[06:44] <madsailor> actually, N/M won't help...... rfkill does nothing for HW block no matter the user
[06:44] <TheDelaY> omg, sleep dep will make you overlook the simplest things sometimes
[06:44] <caramel> hi, I have a really noob question. installed ubuntu 10.04 yesterday, completely unfamiliar with it. originally monitor resolution was stuck on 800x600. downloaded driver from ati's site and then my bf typed in something into the terminal and now I can choose from all the 4:3 resolutions but no 16:9 ones. trying to google what to do but getting confused. thanks =]
[06:45] <TheDelaY> well it says it's unblocked now, thanks.
[06:46] <TheDelaY> wierd really, it's not saposed to do anything>
[06:47] <madsailor> TheDelaY, hmm, well, glad it worked.  Get some sleep and good luck with the HW
[06:48] <TheDelaY> well i hope <keeps fingers crossed>
[06:49] <TheDelaY> course my network manager now says i'm not connected and am in fact having some sort of error
[06:51] <madsailor> caramel, I'm not running proprietary (ati) drivers, but I think you can adjust the settings under system>administration>additional drivers
[06:53] <caramel> I dont have an additional drivers on the menu. I have a hardware drivers which says ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver activated and in use (initially there was nothing there when i could only get 800x600). cant see anywhere to adjust a setting (or click)
[07:00] <madsailor> caramel, do you have system>preferences>display?
[07:02] <caramel> no. I have two versions of 'ati catalyst control centre' both of which give me an error and system>preferences>monitors
[07:06] <madsailor> Unfortunately I am flying blind besause, as I said, I am not running the drivers you are.  I think that under the ATI controls that you cannot access are the settings for alternate resolutions.  If you check under the system>preferences>monitors, and there is nothing, then I'd recommend asking a the main ubuntu channel: #ubuntu
[07:07] <caramel> thank you for your help :)
[07:07] <madsailor> caramel, np
[07:30] <midhuno> hi
[07:30] <UndiFineD> !ask | midhuno
[07:30] <ubot2> midhuno: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[07:30] <midhuno> i want to know about terminal
[07:30] <gunndawg> Why am I still able to access phpmyadmin even after I shut off apache ?
[07:31] <midhuno> k, what is the use of terminal??
[07:31] <UndiFineD> midhuno: all you see, is somehow a commandline command
[07:32] <UndiFineD> gunndawg: maybe you have multiple webservers running
[07:32] <gunndawg> UndiFineD: I shouldnt
[07:32] <madsailor> midhuno, it is a more direct interface with your computer than the GUI....read up on it here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:33] <midhuno> i downloaded the utorrent from internet but i cant install that....how to instal a program in ubuntu??
[07:34] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-get install utorrent
[07:34] <UndiFineD> if that is available
[07:34] <geirha> gunndawg: sudo fuser -v 80/tcp  # will list all processes using tcp port 80
[07:34] <UndiFineD> the default is transmission
[07:34] <madsailor> gunndawg, you can find out by entering 127.0.0.1 in a browser
[07:34] <gunndawg> madsailor: find what out ?
[07:35] <bioterror> microtorrent
[07:35] <bioterror> Operating systemMicrosoft Windows
[07:35] <madsailor> gunndawg, sorry, if your webserver is still running
[07:35] <UndiFineD> http://127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin/
[07:35] <bioterror> Mac OS X 10.5 (Intel and PPC)
[07:35] <bioterror> Linux (using Wine is officially supported),[10] native Linux version planned[11]
[07:35] <andrew_46> midhuno: Is utorrent still alpha release for linux?
[07:35] <bioterror> andrew_46, there's no such thing
[07:35] <geirha> It is
[07:35] <midhuno> UndiFineD , but the utorrent file is in my download directory
[07:36] <gunndawg> see that is the thing. http://127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin/ does not work when I turn apache off, but http://localhost/phpmyadmin still opens up phpmyadmin
[07:36] <midhuno> andrew_46, ya it is alpha
[07:36] <gunndawg> madsailor: I shut my apache server down but i am still able to access phpmyadmin via localhost/phpmyadmin my browser, why is that ?
[07:38] <madsailor> gunndawg, nott sure, not an expert (yet ;) Maybe it runs on a different port and needs to be shutdown seperately
[07:38] <gunndawg> madsailor: probably, not sure how to
[07:38] <UndiFineD> gunndawg: sudo netstat -tulpn |grep 80
[07:39] <andrew_46> midhuno: If you are keen to learn the terminal + use torrents there is a nice torrent client called rtorrent
[07:40] <bioterror> andrew_46, someone is asking why utorrent wont run and you're suggesting rtorment ;)
[07:40] <midhuno> andrew_46, is transmission is good??
[07:40] <gunndawg> UndiFineD: ok that turned up Skype
[07:41] <andrew_46> midhuno: Transmission is a great program, I used it extensively before moving to rtorrent, I believe it is the default Ubuntu client
[07:41] <bioterror> transmission rules
[07:41] <bioterror> I can easily move torrents from drive to another with it
[07:41] <midhuno> andrew_46, which is better in ur opinion??
[07:42] <bioterror> I've had no problems with transmission and I've used it on OS X and Linux
[07:42] <bioterror> and I want to have option to choose where I place my torrent downloads before I start leeching
[07:42] <andrew_46> midhuno: For gui use Transmission is excellent, for commandline rtorrent is excellent :)
[07:43] <andrew_46> Transmission can be up and running very quickly, rtorrent a little slower
[07:43] <midhuno> andrew_46, i dont know commands to download torrent
[07:45] <andrew_46> midhuno: In that case I would suggest start with Transmission :)
[07:45] <midhuno> is there any download accelerator for linux??
[07:47]  * andrew_46 will definitely look at the utorrent Linux client when it is released
[07:47] <bioterror> andrew_46, might take as long as duke nukem forever :D
[07:47] <bioterror> midhuno, what's download accelerator?
[07:48] <bioterror> midhuno, I accelerated my downloads by changing my 8Mbit adsl to 100Mbit cable
[07:48] <kristian-aalborg> andrew_46: rtorrent is cool
[07:48] <madsailor> midhuno, I'm with andrew_46 and recommend transmission for GUI torrenting, but to throw another option out, if you are familiar with and like the UI of utorrent tthen qbittorrent will make you feel at home
[07:48] <andrew_46> bioterror: Actually what I am really waiting for is a more up tp date Skype client :(
[07:49] <kristian-aalborg> deluge is fine, too (although a bit heavy on resources, if memory serves)
[07:49] <andrew_46> kristian-aalborg: I love it, and it seems to download better/faster than other clients I have tried
[07:49] <midhuno> bioterror:download accelerator like DAP and internet download manager in Windows
[07:50] <kristian-aalborg> midhuno: I use wget for most downloads, it works pretty well
[07:50] <kristian-aalborg> andrew_46: which client are we talking about? ;)
[07:51] <midhuno> kristian-aalborg: but it will not integrate with mozilla na??
[07:51] <andrew_46> kristian-aalborg: torrent clients? I started mainly with Transmission
[07:52]  * andrew_46 finally gets the joke...
[07:52] <kristian-aalborg> midhuno: just open a terminal, type wget and Shift+Insert
[07:53] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, curl -O ;D
[07:53] <bioterror> I've got actually better speeds with curl than with wget
[07:53] <kristian-aalborg> yes, so they say... never got into the habit but perhaps I should
[07:53] <kristian-aalborg> wget never failed me, though ;)
[07:54] <midhuno> kristian-aalborg; for what??
[07:54] <kristian-aalborg> for downloading things
[07:55] <kristian-aalborg> curl is better for single files I hear, though
[08:06] <distort3d> http://pastebin.com/cs1rTRxQ
[10:49] <gunndawg> andrew_46: whats up!
[10:50] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Just getting ready for a home yoga session :)
[10:50] <andrew_46> It has become a little quiet here.....
[10:50] <gunndawg> right on
[10:51] <gunndawg> im trying to research the best ways to keep a clean ubuntu installation
[10:51] <gunndawg> like clean up junk files, etc
[10:51] <gunndawg> unless ubuntu takes care of that it self
[10:51] <bioterror> gunndawg, just remember to purge when you remove stuff
[10:52] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Min you if you upgrade you will nly have each installation for 6 months
[10:52] <bioterror> andrew_46, what?
[10:52] <andrew_46> bioterror: new release every 6 months
[10:52] <gunndawg> bioterror: if I havent been purging then what do I do now to get rid of left over files ?
[10:52] <bioterror> andrew_46, sudo sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[10:52] <bioterror> double sudo!
[10:53] <bioterror> gunndawg, you might have some config files in /etc for example
[10:53] <bioterror> or some leftovers in /usr/share ;)
[10:53] <gunndawg> bioterror: can I just get rid of them ?
[10:53] <andrew_46> Hmmmm... I was never a fan of the upgrade path, I preferred a clean install, this might be a superstition perhaps
[10:54] <bioterror> I've always used upgrading
[10:54] <gunndawg> bioterror: I have a TON of conf files in etc
[10:54] <bioterror> gunndawg, ofcourse you have ;)
[10:55] <gunndawg> bioterror: how do I know what files I can get rid of in usr and etc ?
[10:56] <bioterror> gunndawg, you're thinking too difficult things ;)
[10:56] <bioterror> you're talking about few megabytes
[10:57] <gunndawg> bioterror: I am one of those Computer OCD freaks that likes to make sure my computer is as clean as I can get it, with no junk files laying around taking up space
[10:57] <gunndawg> bioterror: heh
[11:06] <gunndawg> bioterror: I guess I shouldnt worry about it then eh ?
[11:08] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:10] <andrew_46> s-fox: hi :)
[11:10] <s-fox> andrew_46 Hi!
[11:10] <s-fox> How are you ?
[11:10] <andrew_46> I am well, and you?
[11:11] <s-fox> Not bad thank you,  just sorting work stuff out. ZZZzzz
[11:12] <andrew_46> s-fox: Beginner's team seems to be thriving, althouggh I do not recognise many of the people here :(
[11:12] <JackyAlcine> Like me?
[11:13] <s-fox> andrew_46,  Yes, I had noticed things were perhaps getting better.
[11:13] <andrew_46> JackyAlcine: exactly :)
[11:13] <JackyAlcine> I've been around for a few months; helping here and there. :D
[11:15] <andrew_46> JackyAlcine: Are you on the Ubuntu Forums much?
[11:16] <JackyAlcine> Not really; I'm a programmer that dedicates too much time to C++. :)
[11:16] <JackyAlcine> If I am, it's usually me asking a week-old question.
[11:19] <andrew_46> JackyAlcine: My time with the UBT was a while back, I loiter in the multimedia section of the Ubntu Forums mostly these days
[11:19] <JackyAlcine> How old is the UBT?
[11:20] <head_victim> -ChanServ- Registered : Feb 15 01:48:05 2007 (3 years, 51 weeks, 2 days, 09:31:51 ago)
[11:20] <head_victim> Suggests it's at least 3 years and 51 weeks old.
[11:20] <head_victim> Means that it's got a birthday coming up in a few days!
[11:20] <andrew_46> JackyAlcine: Not sure, I seem to remember it is Bodhizazen's baby, but I might be wrong
[11:20] <JackyAlcine> Wow..
[11:21]  * s-fox wonders how long I have been here...
[11:22] <andrew_46> Not bad when you think that Ubuntu has not been around all that long
[11:30] <s-fox> Okay,  it seems I have been on the team since 2009
[11:30] <s-fox> Time flies.
[12:25] <duanedesign> s-fox: wow, it sure does. I joined early '09 too
[12:27] <s-fox> Seen a lot of faces come and go too
[12:27] <s-fox> :|
[12:28]  * duanedesign nods
[16:09]  * Daniel0108 is away: I'm busy
[16:09] <JoeMaverickSett> !away | Daniel0108
[16:09] <ubot2> Daniel0108: You should avoid noisy away messages and -nicks in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines»
[16:10] <Daniel0108> oops, sorry, my client posted this, I'll turn this feature off ;)
[17:46] <seidos> if i "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" will the system boot to a shell?
[17:46] <zkriesse> Probably
[17:49] <MrChrisDruif> Most likely...
[17:52] <bioterror> nope
[17:52] <bioterror> ubuntu-desktop is a meta package
[17:52] <bioterror> it just removes it
[17:52] <bioterror> you have to remove gdm or prevent it from init.d to be launched
[17:53] <MichealH> purge it?
[17:53] <bioterror> meta packages purpose is only fetch lots of packages
[17:53] <bioterror> if you remove meta package, you technically just remove a script
[17:56] <MichealH> But purge removes every package installed?
[17:56] <bioterror> nope
[17:56] <MichealH> Hmm...
[17:56] <MichealH> Oh well :P
[17:57] <seidos> well, at least i know what *not* to do
[17:57] <bioterror> for example
[17:57] <bioterror> sad157@dopethrone:~% sudo apt-get purge lubuntu-restricted-addons
[17:57] <bioterror> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[17:57] <bioterror>   lubuntu-restricted-addons* lubuntu-restricted-extras*
[17:58] <seidos> yeah, i don't want to boot into a gui
[17:58] <bioterror> seidos, why not?
[17:58] <seidos> bioterror: because the system doesn't need it anymore
[17:59] <bioterror> then sudo apt-get purge gdm
[17:59] <seidos> well, i'll try this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183084 , last post
[17:59] <seidos> bioterror: all right, i'll try that
[17:59] <seidos> sudo apt-get purge gdm && sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop
[18:00] <bioterror> nope
[18:00] <bioterror> ubuntu-desktop doesnt matter and it will be removed when gdm is removed
[18:03] <MrChrisDruif> Why do you want to remove the desktop seidos? Want to go Linux-freak? :P
[18:05] <seidos> MrChrisDruif: converting it to a server
[18:06] <MrChrisDruif> Alright :)
[18:06] <seidos> that's pretty sweet.  i guess now i know what packages to install during minimal cli
[18:06] <seidos> xorg, gdm, and ubuntu-desktop
[18:07] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[18:08] <MrChrisDruif> Doesn't ubuntu-desktop install all the others as deps?
[18:50] <marku216> heya
[18:50] <newlad> here we go
[18:51] <newlad> anyone familiar with not working inbuilt card readers on ubuntu netbook remix 10.10?
[18:51] <newlad> wont recognize the card when i put it in
[18:58] <seidos> newlad: i'm working on my own problem.  i know that my card reader used to work, but it doesn't anymore for some reason
[19:02] <kristian-aalborg> what link would you give someone as an introduction to open source?
[19:03] <aveilleux> Anything that doesn't involve Richard Stallman or Eric Raymond
[19:04] <aveilleux> rms and esr, respectively
[19:04] <seidos> or Linus Torvalds?
[19:04] <aveilleux> Nah, Linus isn't insane
[19:04] <seidos> insane is relative
[19:05] <kristian-aalborg> neither are the others... they're just *huge* nerds
[19:05] <aveilleux> I'll rephrase
[19:06] <kristian-aalborg> someone compared the bittorrent guy to them, so I looked him up... the dude is *married*, would you believe it
[19:06] <aveilleux> He's not so paranoid he checks his email with curl and emacs (rms), and he's not a libertarian antiestablishmentarian (esr)
[19:07]  * seidos gets more paranoid
[19:07] <bioterror> hahaha, stallman is out of this world :)
[19:07] <aveilleux> In more ways than one...
[19:13] <red2kic> kristian-aalborg: http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/
[19:13] <red2kic> There are bunch of pictures emphasising stuffs.
[19:14] <kristian-aalborg> " The idea is that you donate your work to a "database" of software, words, images and so - then others can re-use and develop it as they wish under a given set of conditions." - does this make sense and is it correct?
[19:14] <kristian-aalborg> red2kic: thanks, I've seen that page before
[19:15] <kristian-aalborg> as I see it, the thing is to be bold but not militant ;)
[19:19] <red2kic> kristian-aalborg: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/3233/why-do-programmers-write-applications-and-then-make-them-free
[19:19] <red2kic> Lot of informations that can be used. :)
[19:19] <newlad> hi there
[19:20] <newlad> how can i change my kernel version to 2.6.37.12.12 under 10.10
[19:22] <bioterror> compile it :D
[19:22] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[19:25] <newlad> reasons for NOT compiling a custom kernel
[19:25] <newlad> You have no idea what you are doing, and if you break something, you'll need help fixing it. Depending on what you do wrong, you might end up having to reinstall your system from scratch.
[19:25] <newlad> THATS ME =D
[19:25] <bioterror> yep
[19:25] <bioterror> newlad, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[19:31] <red2kic> newlad: Be patient, young grasshopper.
[19:32] <red2kic> Two more months and you can have your kernels. ;3
[19:33] <bioterror> newlad, is there a reason why you want this 2.6.37-12 kernel?
[19:33] <newlad> bioterror: i believe i have this bug
[19:33] <newlad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/633852
[19:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633852 in linux "0cf2:6250 ENE Technology, Inc. card reader not supported (dup-of: 530277)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 530277 in linux "0cf2:6250 ENE Technology, Inc. card reader not supported" [Medium,Fix released]
[19:34] <newlad> and according to them the newer kernel should fix it
[19:34] <bioterror> grab from the ppa 2.6.38 ;)
[19:35] <red2kic> It's not stable yet.
[19:36] <newlad> i have to admit that im still trying to find out how to actually do it...i have to say im a complete newbie to ubuntu
[19:36] <bioterror> sudo dpkg -I foooo.deb
[19:36] <bioterror> -i sorry
[19:38] <newlad> and what red2kic said that it is not stabel...could i use a different one which fixes the probe with the non functioning card reader but runs stabel?
[19:39] <red2kic> newlad: https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa
[19:39] <red2kic> newlad: Notice "ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa" -- You want that.
[19:39] <red2kic> Also, there are (Read about installing) link. It's very self-explaintory.
[19:41] <red2kic> "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa" will do the trick. -- Then you update your sources with "aptitude update" (I can't remember what it is for apt-get). -- Then you search for "linux-meta-lts"
[19:41] <red2kic> Ah. :
[19:41] <red2kic> sudo apt-get update
[19:44] <newlad> and it should work after that?
[19:48] <red2kic> newlad: When you update, you find the new package. You install it. Then you reboot it. You should see it, hopefully.
[19:48] <red2kic> newlad: If not, hold SHIFT at bootup and roll back to older kernel.
[19:48] <newlad> grand so! ill give it a shot! thanks red2kic
[19:49] <red2kic> newlad: Let me know how it goes.
[20:02] <newlad> red2kic: is this the verison im supposed to have now? 2.6.35-25?
[20:06] <seidos> newlad: (cc red2kic) that's the default kernel in maverick, not an older one
[20:06] <newlad> hmmm
[20:06] <bioterror> 2.6.35-26-generic
[20:06] <newlad> i must have done somehting wrong then i suppose ;)
[20:07] <bioterror> that's what I am running on 10.10
[20:07] <seidos> newlad: u might want to install an older kernel from ppa.  search for "linux-image" to see what's available
[20:07] <seidos> it doesn't go back terribly far, though.
[20:09] <red2kic> newlad: Did you install it though?
[20:10] <red2kic> newlad: Not just adding the ppa -- but explicity install the package.
[20:10] <newlad> would it not do that automatically?
[20:10] <newlad> oh]=)
[20:10] <newlad> hmmm how do i do that?
[20:10] <red2kic> newlad: No. You added the PPA. It's now in your repository. Then you search for the package.
[20:10] <newlad> sorry about all this not
[20:11] <red2kic> It's now on your repo. Look for it. "apt-cache linux-meta-lts"
[20:11] <newlad> it says invalid operation
[20:12] <red2kic> newlad: Err. "apt-cache search linux-meta" -- Sorry.
[20:12] <newlad> now it didnt do anything at all
[20:12] <bioterror> why not just wget the certain files from mainline and dpkg -i
[20:13] <red2kic> (Mainly because I don't want him to do it everytime they released a kernel).
[20:13] <red2kic> :o
[20:13] <bioterror> he can choose from grub that installed kernel or something
[20:13] <bioterror> and still get updates from the repositories
[20:15] <red2kic> newlad: "apt-cache search linux-image-generic-lts-back"
[20:15] <newlad> still nothing im afraid
[20:15] <bioterror> what are you searching for?
[20:15] <red2kic> newlad: "apt-cache search linux-image" <-- Nothing?
[20:16] <red2kic> https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1415342/+listing-archive-extra
[20:16] <newlad> that new kernel package i suppose
[20:16] <red2kic> newlad: Ya.
[20:18] <newlad> this came up http://paste.ubuntu.com/564654/
[20:19] <red2kic> newlad: Did you ran "sudo apt-get update" after you added the ppa?
[20:19] <newlad> yes
[20:19] <red2kic> newlad: I suppose you can do what bioterror say -- dpkg -i package.deb
[20:20] <red2kic> It should show up in the repo though. :\
[20:20] <newlad> thats the exact comman i need?
[20:20] <red2kic> Something like that. It's just an example syntax .
[20:21] <newlad> oh dinners ready =D
[20:22] <newlad> i thank you all so far! ill certainly have to come back at some stage to fuigre this one out =)
[20:22] <newlad> thanks for all your help!
[20:32] <hesam> hi
[20:36] <red2kic_> exit
[22:11] <Cheri703> if I'm trying to determine what video card might work with an ubuntu system, should I search by gpu or actual brand/model (it's a zotac that I'm trying to find out about, but nvidia geforce 210 gpu)
[22:12] <MrChrisDruif> Cheri703: Could you redefine your question?
[22:13] <Cheri703> ok, I am going to build a computer, I am trying to choose a video card, but I want to make sure it is compatible with ubuntu, should I search by chipset (GeForce 210) or by make/model (Zotac something-or-other)?
[22:13] <Cheri703> I have not found any info for the specific model so far
[22:14] <Cheri703> I guess further question is: is compatibility specific to gpu or do different models using the same gpu need slightly different drivers?
[22:22] <tenach> I am getting an exec error when I try to chroot from my liveusb to harddrive.
[22:22] <madsailor> Cheri703,  check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsNvidia - should answer your question
[22:22] <Cheri703> awesome, thanks!
[22:22] <tenach> chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[22:22] <tenach> How would I go about this? I have the filesystem mounted and am running chroot as sudo
[22:26] <Myla> Hi there. I just came in and need help.
[22:26] <madsailor> tenach, you may need to run /usr/sbin/env-update in the chroot before you can issue bash commands
[22:27] <Myla> I tried to boot from a USB stick for the first time, and it froze.
[22:28] <Myla> Hmm, I'll try asking somewhere else. Bye.
[22:28] <holstein> lol
[22:28] <tenach> madsailor: I can't even chroot into anything, I get that error, and there is no /usr/sbin/env-update
[22:28] <tenach> wow, Myla was impatient...
[22:29] <holstein> but polite
[22:29] <holstein> kinda
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> tenach: Yes Myla was impatient :P
[22:31] <madsailor> tenach, ok.  first you need to mount the hard drive 'sudo mount /dev/yourhdhere /mnt/mountpoint', then run 'sudo chroot /mnt/mountpoint /bin/bash
[22:31] <tenach> madsailor: I figured out my error I think; I'm booting from an i686 USB and the hdd has an amd64 install...
[22:32] <tenach> madsailor: That is what is giving me the error; the hdd is mounted and the chroot fails. probably because of what I stated above.
[22:33] <madsailor> tenach maybe...cant say I've tried 32bit to x64 chroot before.
[22:34] <tenach> madsailor: yeah this is my first time too...
[22:34] <tenach> Well bugger.
[22:34] <madsailor> try asking in #ubuntu, bound to be someone with experience in that siruation
[22:35] <tenach> From the forum, it's looking like i can't.
[22:35] <tenach> All I need to do is update-grub on the target machine
[22:36] <madsailor> tenach, it's a pain, but I guess you could set up a x64 ubuntu usb
[22:37] <tenach> Yeah it is a pain, as i'm not where I can do that right now.
[22:37] <tenach> Looks like I'm going to need to buy another usb stick and keep one i686 and the other amd64. :/
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> tenach: ??
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> amd64 and i686....why?
[22:38] <tenach> MrChrisDruif: You can't chroot from i686 into an amd64 machine.
[22:39] <madsailor> tenach, if you are just changing the MBR with the grub update you may be able to configure it manually.  Check the grub2 docs on ubuntu support
[22:39] <tenach> madsailor: Grub2 requires update-grub to be run.
[22:39] <tenach> I've tried manually already. :/
[22:43] <madsailor> tenach, when you boot the machine what happens...do you come to the grub menu?
[22:43] <tenach> madsailor: It fails due to acpi. I just need to acpi=off.
[22:43] <tenach> brb.
[22:48] <madsailor> tenach, just wondering if you get to the grub menu on boot, because you can manually boot the ubuntu partition with flags like that
[22:51] <madsailor> tenach, also, it might help following this line by line :https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[22:51] <tenach> back
[22:51] <tenach> I've fixed it and also set the default to acpi=off so future updates shouldn't do this...
[22:51] <tenach> madsailor: no, the grub menu is hidden by default
[22:57] <tenach> Thanks for the help madsailor :)
[22:58] <madsailor> tenach, well, with no grub menu, and no chroot ability there's no way to change the system, so the only option left that I see is to change to x64 usb
[22:58] <madsailor> yep, np....sorry there's no easier answer (that I know of)
[22:58] <tenach> madsailor: I've got the issue worked out - turns out you *can* edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg manually, even if it says you can't.
[22:59] <tenach> Edited it, then changed /etc/default/grub after booting into the machine, then ran update-grub to clean the file :)
[22:59] <madsailor> tenach, great.glad you got it sorted
[23:00] <tenach> Again, thanks for the help :)
[23:01]  * madsailor tips his hat at tenach