[00:57] <paultag> akgraner: howdy, friendo
[00:57] <akgraner> paultag, hey!
[00:57] <akgraner> how are ya - have you recovered?
[00:57] <akgraner> :-)
[00:57] <paultag> akgraner: mostly :)
[00:57] <paultag> akgraner: have a minute?
[00:57] <akgraner> yeppers
[03:11] <nigelb> good morning :)
[03:11] <akgraner> JFo - looks like the videos were on my phone
[03:11] <akgraner> pete is going to see if he can pull them off  - but right now  - I am not seeing a way to..:-(
[03:13] <nhandler> akgraner: You can't send them via bluetooth?
[03:14] <akgraner> the phone is bricked
[03:14] <akgraner> it won't boot
[03:14] <akgraner> samsung update screwed it up this morning  - it won't go into the boot loader now
[03:15] <akgraner> I think the data is safe but I can't seem to get to it at the moment
[03:16] <akgraner> I am getting a new phone from T-mobile this week I have all the info on the SD card but the info that was stored on the phone is another story :-(  so sad
[03:18] <nhandler> :(
[03:19] <akgraner> I know right :-/  if you have the Samsung Galaxy S don't use the Samsung upgrade wait for the the t-mobile over the air one
[03:21] <akgraner> But on a goof note - I submitted my OSCON talk :-)  nothing like waiting til the last minute  - Whew!
[03:26] <nigelb> ooooooh, on today's google doodle, if you move down, you can see narwhals!
[03:26] <nigelb> WIN
[03:32] <JFo> akgraner, :-(
[03:33] <akgraner> JFo I know..but can't dwell on it - just moving on as there is nothing to see here...
[06:57] <dpm> good morning all
[06:57] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[07:06] <nigelb> hey dholbach :)
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:06] <nigelb> (for the first time, before he wishes)
[07:06] <nigelb> ;)
[07:08] <dpm> good morning nigelb
[07:08] <dpm> morgen dholbach
[07:08] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:09] <dholbach> ¿qué tal?
[07:09] <dpm> bé, bé, gràcies :) i tu?
[07:10] <dholbach> muy bien, gracias :)
[07:10] <dpm> :)
[07:10] <dholbach> dpm, you're trying to confuse me! :)
[07:10] <dpm> life would be boring otherwise!
[07:11] <dholbach> I should try to reply Austrian the next time
[07:11] <dholbach> although they have their own country :-P
[07:11] <dholbach> I guess that was mean ;-)
[07:12] <dpm> it's just a matter of time until we conquer Europe
[07:14] <nigelb> lol
[07:17] <nigelb> why is my ssh session not utf8? :(
[07:18] <Tm_T> sorry, I think I switched the wrong bit
[08:03] <kim0> Morning
[08:03] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:03] <kim0> dholbach: hey man
[08:03] <nigelb> hola kim0, ara :)
[08:03] <kim0> nigelb: howdy
[08:04] <ara> morning nigelb, kim0
[08:04] <kim0> ara: morning o/
[08:07] <nigelb> JFo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0hfg1htnM4
[08:16] <AlanBell> is that a soothing lullaby?
[08:16] <popey> not _quite_
[08:17] <nigelb> Not exactly.
[08:17] <popey> I think it's some old fart claiming that music was good back in his day :)(
[08:19] <nigelb> hah
[08:20] <doctormo> popey: Everything was better back in my dad.
[08:21] <doctormo> day*
[08:21] <AlanBell> they don't make typos like they used to
[08:21] <doctormo> The music from the Spice girls and S-Club7 just can't be beaten with the likes of modern sell-outs.
[10:18] <duanedesign> morning friends
[10:22] <nigelb> morning duanedesign
[10:23] <duanedesign> hello :)
[10:23] <duanedesign> fixing to get more snow :\
[10:24] <duanedesign> yesterday was the first day in a week that everything was open from the last storm
[10:24] <duanedesign> i hope we get far less then anticipated
[12:36] <duanedesign> I want to search all the members of the Beginners Team and find who is also a member of Bug Control. Is there a script that exists that does something like this?
[12:44] <dholbach> duanedesign, nigelb is working on a similar script for loco teams and the developer team
[12:44] <dholbach> I think it's almost finished
[12:46] <duanedesign> thank you
[12:55] <duanedesign> the google logo today is pretty cool.
[12:55] <nigelb> duanedesign: I should post it in a couple of days :)
[12:56] <nigelb> duanedesign: I hate querying lp.  takes 5 minutes to test one change :p
[12:57] <duanedesign> oh cool thank you nigelb
[12:58] <dholbach> nigelb, I organised a few people for UDW
[12:59] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable - there's still a couple of empty slots
[13:29]  * kim0 away -all → Dentist appointment
[13:57] <jcastro> buenas mornings!
[13:57] <popey> YO!
[13:57] <czajkowski> ohh
[13:57]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro 
[13:57] <czajkowski> ALOHA!
[13:59] <Pici> howdy
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[14:00] <czajkowski> that's ye all done :)
[14:01] <Pici> :)
[14:20] <duanedesign> morning all
[14:33] <nigelb> dholbach: super
[14:33] <nigelb> dholbach: let me see if I can fill the rest up ;)
[14:58] <vish> jcastro: whenever someone asks about why we are not updating gnome, i tell them that there is not much manpower to handle both unity and gnome this cycle . for which i get flamed that a new UI is more work and that manpower is less is not a valid argument.. :s  how are you handling these questions?
[14:58] <vish> ie, what can I answer better? :D
[15:01] <vish> i just eventually give up and say, "I'm just the messenger" :)
[15:01] <jcastro> well, I send them to this
[15:01] <jcastro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-January/002740.html
[15:01] <jcastro> and then tell them we can't update to gnome3 AND deliver GNOME2 as a fallback
[15:01] <jcastro> it's either one of the other
[15:01] <vish> yea.. thats my fave bookmark
[15:01] <nigelb> hehe
[15:02] <jcastro> and if they think it's easy then they can join the team and show everyone how easy it is
[15:02] <jcastro> :)
[15:02] <jcastro> ditto for "why not make another ISO"
[15:02] <vish> yea!
[15:02] <jcastro> or "where is gnomebuntu"
[15:02] <jcastro> or "why doesn't the ppa work yet"
[15:02] <nigelb> Note to self:  Never argue with jcastro.
[15:02] <nigelb> ;)
[15:04] <nigelb> jcastro: hey, is it possible to schedule one of those Q and A sessions we had lately during UDW?
[15:04] <nigelb> Those are Cannonifolk, so I'm not so sure abuot barging in and asking them
[15:04] <jcastro> yeah
[15:04] <jcastro> basically the same thing jason and I did for userdays we can do again for UDW
[15:04] <jcastro> except for developers
[15:06] <jcastro> nigelb: just ask them, UDW is a community event
[15:07] <nigelb> jcastro: okay :)
[15:33] <akgraner> jcastro, have those QA been moved officially to ubuntu-classroom and ubuntu-classroom-chat
[15:35] <akgraner> I am working on a blog post and wanted to make sure I got the information on where to send people to listed correctly - jcastro - I'm only asking you b/c well you are da man with all the answers :-D
[15:35] <jcastro> it's a normal UDW event
[15:35] <jcastro> so yeah, awesome by default
[15:36] <akgraner> I was asking b/c of lasts weeks -meeting debacle for the kernel QA
[15:36] <akgraner> and Robbie is up next on the schedule for the 11th
[15:37] <akgraner> so sorry wasn't asking about the UDW events but the Canonical QA stuffs :-)
[15:37] <vish> hmm, would taking a "Taking bite out of Unity" be a good title for jcastro's session.. ;)
[15:38] <nigelb> vish: ooh, changing.
[15:38] <akgraner> dholbach, did you see the email I cc'd you on for Ubuntu Development?  I'm getting more and more "How can I get started questions" so I think I got all the links right.
[15:55] <nigelb> haha, I keep recruiting people for UDW and I end up taking a session ;)
[16:04] <czajkowski> akgraner: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-February/028700.html
[16:04] <czajkowski> bah
[16:05] <czajkowski> akgraner: https://twitter.com/#!/ArmyWives/statuses/35005656062898176
[16:05] <akgraner> czajkowski, looking now
[16:06] <akgraner> sweet!
[16:06] <czajkowski> :D
[16:25] <vish> ooh! nice to see jcastro dint nominate himself for the askubuntu mods.. :)  its like giving others chance to shine :)
[16:26] <vish> i'm like where can i vote for jcastro !! and ah! he aint here..
[16:27] <nigelb> vish: where do we vote?
[16:27] <vish> http://askubuntu.com/election/1?tab=election
[16:27] <nigelb> thanks
[16:28] <nigelb> 17.k repution? wow
[16:29] <dholbach> akgraner, thanks a lot
[16:29] <nigelb> dholbach: I may have increased the size of your inbox by 2, but the schedule looks fuller now
[16:30] <jcastro> dholbach: hey you know at the sprint how we layed out all the IRC weeks, do you have those?
[16:30] <dholbach> thanks Nigel! :)
[16:30] <jcastro> we should probably give those to the -classroom team
[16:30] <dholbach> jcastro, no, aren't they in the calendar
[16:30] <dholbach> ?
[16:30] <jcastro> which calendar?
[16:31] <akgraner> hey jono - you moved the Canonical Manager QA from Ubuntu-meeting to Ubuntu-classroom officially didn't you?
[16:31] <dholbach> our team calendar?
[16:32]  * akgraner is blogging and wants to make sure I get it right :-)
[16:32] <jono> akgraner, yep
[16:32] <akgraner> k thanks!
[16:32] <jono> yep it will officially be in the usual classroom/classroom-chat combo
[16:33] <nigelb> jono: erm, you want he classroom moderated for that right?
[16:33] <nigelb> *the
[16:33] <jono> nigelb, yup
[16:33] <nigelb> jono: I'll them to the learning events calender so the bot picks it up
[16:34] <nigelb> do you have like a list?
[16:34] <nigelb> (of date, time, person, etc)
[16:34] <akgraner> nigelb it's robbiew
[16:34] <akgraner> on the 11th
[16:34] <nigelb> time?
[16:34] <akgraner> at 1730 utc
[16:34]  * nigelb hugs akgraner 
[16:35] <akgraner> thanks!
[16:36] <jcastro> akgraner: Can you add me to the ubuntu fridge calendar group or whatever?
[16:36] <jcastro> I can add the weeks to the calendar now
[16:37] <jcastro> akgraner: jorge.castro@canonical.com would be best, that way I can make sure we update the fridge calendar when we update our team calendar
[16:37] <akgraner> sure one sec I'll add ya
[16:40] <akgraner> jcastro, you're added and can make changes to events
[16:40] <akgraner> let me know if there is an issue
[16:43] <jcastro> ok I added all the IRC workshops
[16:43] <jono> thanks nigelb!
[16:43] <jcastro> now we're good for the rest of the cyle
[16:43] <nigelb> jono: np
[16:43] <nigelb> jcastro: thanks /me looks
[16:44] <nigelb> dholbach: ok, any more suggestions? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[16:44] <nigelb> (we have an lp session and a django session pending confirmation)
[16:44] <dholbach> nigelb, I'm thinking about it
[16:44] <nigelb> Right we need a talk from debian
[16:44] <dholbach> I'd love to have some more about how packaging stuff works
[16:45] <dholbach> let me see if I can round up some more folks
[16:45] <nigelb> \o/
[16:47] <akgraner> is it really time for UDW already wow - where has this cycle gone
[16:48] <nigelb> I've been feeling that today
[16:48] <nigelb> when I started recruting
[16:49] <akgraner> sorry I couldn't help much this cycle - I sorta miss helping with all the Ubuntu Weeks...next cycle I should be back in the grove :-)
[16:49] <nigelb> akgraner: don't worry, I'm trying to help with the weeks as much as I can.  We can never replace you of course :)
[16:49] <nigelb> I feel guilty making dholbach and jcastro do all the work ;)
[16:53] <jcastro> vish: moderation is hard work! Why would I want to do that!
[16:54] <vish> ha! ;p
[17:05] <akgraner> nigelb, /me blushes :-)
[17:05] <nigelb> :)
[17:46] <jcastro> <-- lunching
[17:50] <cjohnston> jcastro: I'm trying to get that merge pushed
[18:03]  * Technoviking facepalms as hard as I can 
[18:14] <jono> jcastro, any idea when the app place is going to work?
[18:15] <jcastro> no clue, I can find out and put it in the report
[18:16] <maco> app place?
[18:17] <jcastro> the thing with the applications in it
[18:21] <jcastro> maco: this thing basically: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TUcry28mQcI/AAAAAAAAC0I/ZtmhXlspVgE/s400/ubuntu_unity_places-applications.png
[18:21] <jcastro> jono: DBO did tell me earlier that they're gonna put a corner grippie on it
[18:21] <maco> jcastro: launcher?
[18:21] <jcastro> so you'll be able to adjust it, etc.
[18:21] <jcastro> no, the launcher is the thing on the left
[18:22] <akgraner> Did you see in the 2010 LinuxQuestions.org Member awards Ubuntu was voted desktop of the year :-)
[18:22] <akgraner> http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/2010-LinuxQuestions.org-Members-Choice-Award-Winners
[18:22] <dholbach> ok my friends - dinner time - see you tomorrow
[18:27]  * AlanBell wonders what it was he thought about earlier and was going to mention to jono
[18:28] <Pendulum> AlanBell: u4a?
[18:28] <AlanBell> wasn't that
[18:28] <AlanBell> but probably should do that too
[18:29] <jono> AlanBell, :-)
[18:29] <AlanBell> it was this  http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ jono as an ex-pat and probable owner of an electric kettle you qualify to place a pin on the new map
[18:30] <jono> AlanBell, that's cool! and yes, I do have a kettle :-)
[18:30] <jono> or a teapot as they call it over here
[18:30] <AlanBell> though so!
[18:31] <AlanBell> and we are kicking off the ubuntu for all project
[18:31]  * popey cuddles jono 
[18:31] <AlanBell> I created #ubuntu-for-all and I will call a meeting in -meeting fairly soon
[18:32]  * jono snuggles up to popey
[18:32] <Pendulum> jono: an electric kettle is not a teapot
[18:32]  * jono sings "just the two of us...we can make it if we try..."
[18:32] <Pendulum> at least even not in my area
[18:32] <maco> jono: wait arent teapot and kettle two different things? heat the water in the kettle, steep the tea in the teapot...
[18:33]  * AlanBell likes jono's new singing repertoire
[18:33] <Pendulum> maco: that's my understanding as well
[18:33] <maco> Pendulum: maybe americans who arent hoping to move the UK dont know this?
[18:34] <Pendulum> maco: I've never called any sort of kettle a teapot.
[18:34] <jono> Pendulum, that's what people call them over here
[18:34] <jono> maco, I know
[18:34] <Pendulum> people on the West Coast are weird
[18:34] <Pendulum> (at least the people you know, then)
[18:34] <jono> Pendulum, so racist :-)
[18:34] <jono> lol
[18:34] <Pici> :O
[18:35] <Pendulum> I'm not sure how saying "the West Coast" is racist
[18:35] <maco> Pendulum: i was including you in the set of UK-wistful americans :P
[18:35] <Pendulum> maco: I know. My point was that I knew it that way long before I was uk-wistful
[18:35] <jono> Pendulum, I was kidding :-)
[18:35] <maco> i think there was a point where i called them both "teapot," but i think my age only required one digit at that time
[18:36] <Pendulum> jono: tbh, I don't think calling someone racist is a joking thing
[18:36] <AlanBell> it is the people in flyover land that are the wierd ones, the people at the edges are fine
[18:36] <duanedesign> jono: hello. i left you a message the other night. Was not sure if i caught you or not.:)
[18:37] <Technoviking> I love our community, really I do:)
[18:37] <jono> Pendulum, erm, it was a joke that you made a reference to people in a geographic region being weird, I was inferring that the geographic nature of your comment was racist, when it wasnt, hence the joke
[18:37] <jono> duanedesign, I don't remember
[18:38] <jono> what did you say?
[18:38] <duanedesign> jono: i really liked your making ubuntu more personal blog post.
[18:38] <jono> duanedesign, oh, thanks! :-)
[18:38] <Pendulum> jono: and I don't think it's ever appropriate to call someone a racist as a joke. Maybe not in your area, but where I come from that's a pretty serious accusation
[18:38] <jono> Pendulum, you are reading too much into this
[18:38] <jono> I wasnt calling you racist
[18:38]  * AlanBell hugs Pendulum and jono 
[18:39] <duanedesign> jono: I think that is something the Beginners Team is good at. I am interested in looking into ways the Beginners Team can encourage more mentoring.
[18:39] <jono> duanedesign, cool :-)
[18:39] <jono> duanedesign, we should hop on the phone and discuss this more at some point
[18:39] <duanedesign> sounds great
[18:39] <jono> I still feel I need to learn more about the beginners team
[18:39] <Pici> IRC isn't always the best place for those sort of 'jokes', its hard to convey tone and facial expression in a text based medium.
[18:39] <jono> maybe next week?
[18:40] <duanedesign> jono: that would be good
[18:40] <jono> Pici, I would have thought Pendulum would know me by now :-)
[18:40] <duanedesign> jono: looking forward to it
[18:40] <jono> hence me making the gag with Pendulum and not a random stranger
[18:40] <jono> duanedesign, cool :-)
[18:40] <Pendulum> jono: I know you. I was pointing out that the term is not one I would consider ever being something jokeable. Especially in an Ubuntu channel
[18:41] <jono> Pendulum, apologies
[18:41] <Pendulum> jono: accepted
[18:41] <Pici> yay. group hug.
[18:41]  * Pendulum hugs jono 
[18:42]  * jono hugs Pendulum
[18:45] <jcastro> pleia2: ping a ling
[18:45] <pleia2> jcastro: pong
[18:45] <jcastro> pleia2: just FYI I added the IRC workshops to the fridge calendar
[18:45] <pleia2> jcastro: oh, I still need to add those to the classroom calendar
[18:46] <jcastro> hah that was going to be my next question, is there a classroom calendar
[18:46] <pleia2> copying them from fridge makes this easier, thanks :)
[18:46] <nigelb> jcastro: there is a learning events calender
[18:46] <nigelb> jcastro: you have access :p
[18:46]  * jcastro handwaves if we have a calendar proliferation problem
[18:46] <pleia2> yeah, it's at the bottom here: http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/
[18:56] <dpm> ok, calling it a day
[18:56] <dpm> see you all tomorrow!
[19:20] <jcastro> jono: are you in natty?
[19:24] <jono> jcastro, yup
[19:24] <jono> but a few days old, I have frozen this install for the dev testing
[19:24] <jcastro> ah nm then
[19:24] <jcastro> if you want to update you might want to check out tbird. :D :D
[19:25] <jcastro> post testing that is
[19:27] <jono> TB?
[19:27] <jono> in the archive?
[19:27] <jcastro> yeah, appmenu landed
[19:27] <jcastro> yup
[19:27] <jono> nice!
[19:27] <jono> how does it work?
[19:27] <jcastro> make sure thunderbird-globalmenu is installed and you're money
[19:27] <jcastro> I just tried it, works fine
[19:27] <jono> sweet
[19:38] <jono> cool
[19:41] <Milossh> hello folks. I was super excited I saw ubuntu once more on FOSDEM. Your booth rocked!
[19:45] <jono> Milossh, I am not sure who run it, but thanks for the kind words!
[19:45] <Milossh> jono: I think belgium community
[19:45] <jono> :-)
[19:45] <Milossh> I bought a t-shirt too, it's awesome
[19:45] <Milossh> just kinda longish :)
[19:50] <jono> :-)
[20:08] <jcastro> ScottL: dude, nice use of antidisestablishmentarianism
[20:08] <jcastro> +1
[20:23] <jcastro> <-- caffeine refill
[20:23] <jcastro> paultag: stay out of trouble
[20:51] <JanC> Milossh: thanks ☺
[20:51] <Milossh> asci smile on xchat
[20:52] <Milossh> now, isn't that just hearthbreaking?
[20:52] <Milossh> :)
[20:52] <JanC> and I ran the booth (with the help of several other people of course)
[20:52] <Milossh> JanC: I was the one who bought the last small t-shirt
[20:53] <Milossh> mozilla guy
[20:53] <JanC> I don't remember, so probably was somebody else behind the table at that moment
[20:53] <JanC> people helping were from ubuntu-be & ubuntu-fr
[20:54] <Milossh> probably :)
[20:55] <JanC> thanks for buying a t-shirt BTW  ;)
[20:57] <Milossh> hehe
[20:57] <Milossh> thanks for making them available to us
[20:57] <Milossh> :)
[20:58] <JanC> well, I'm most happy most of the leftover t-shirts from previous year(s) are gone now
[21:00] <JanC> them all having the old logo etc.
[21:02] <JanC> Milossh: if you have ideas to make the booth even better, let me know
[21:02] <Milossh> I do actually, but that would require a bit more resources, and a bit more strict organization
[21:03] <Milossh> so I'm not sure if you're guys are actually in for that
[21:03] <Milossh> We tried something new on mozilla stand this year, and it was pretty good.
[21:03] <Milossh> (btw, I managed mozilla's booth)
[21:04] <Milossh> and my boss william, too
[21:06] <JanC> I'm open for all suggestions...  ☺
[21:06] <JanC> what resources are you talking about?
[21:06] <Milossh> I'd rather send an email
[21:06] <Milossh> if that's ok with you
[21:06] <Milossh> kinda busy right now
[21:07] <JanC> see PM for mail address
[21:14] <paultag> jcastro: not a chance, dude
[23:04] <scott-work> jcastro: lol, thanks