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| persia | Is this one of those Tuesdays? | 10:04 |
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| nigelb | persia: the last week was | 10:06 |
| nigelb | persia: unfortunately, everyone except elky didn't think so | 10:07 |
| persia | Ah, then next week will be. | 10:07 |
| elky | i think we've missed enough we can probably agree to any tuesday and reset it from there. | 10:08 |
| persia | Apparently our next scheduled meeting is 4th January. Shall we have one 15th February then, and try to get back with the program from there? | 10:09 |
| head_victim | Heh almost enough for a quorum now? | 10:10 |
| nigelb | When does more people get added to the board again? | 10:11 |
| persia | head_victim, perhaps, but not in a way that is useful: we're clearly fail to attract candidates in a way that is useful. | 10:11 |
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| kees | mdz, pitti, cjwatson: meeting in a few minutes. can't find Keybuk or sabdfl, though. | 14:57 |
| pitti | o/ | 14:57 |
| cjwatson | here, more or less | 14:58 |
| mdz | kees, clan mailed saying sabdfl wouldn't make it | 14:58 |
| mdz | (t-b@) | 14:58 |
| kees | mdz: ah, thanks. | 14:59 |
| mdz | kees, I tidied up the agenda based on pitti's minutes from last time | 14:59 |
| kees | mdz: oh, excellent | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | (I've just moderated clan's mail) | 15:01 |
| kees | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:01. The chair is kees. | 15:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:01 |
| kees | [TOPIC] action review | 15:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: action review | 15:01 |
| kees | mdz - Set the release manager to ubuntu-release | 15:01 |
| mdz | kees, so I'm confused about this | 15:02 |
| mdz | the release manager for natty is already ubuntu-release | 15:02 |
| mdz | is that what was meant here, or did it mean something else? | 15:02 |
| kees | I think that's what was meant; there were the notes from the rally TB | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | I think it wasn't when that action was taken | 15:03 |
| mdz | ok, so that's done then | 15:03 |
| kees | ok, next | 15:03 |
| kees | mdz - Review ubuntu-drivers membership and make sure it includes (only) people who need to manage blueprints | 15:03 |
| mdz | I haven't reviewed ubuntu-drivers | 15:03 |
| mdz | I think someone else should review ubuntu-release | 15:03 |
| kees | ok, carried over | 15:03 |
| kees | mdz - Review ubuntu-release membership | 15:04 |
| kees | carried over | 15:04 |
| kees | mdz - Set the owner/maintainer to techboard | 15:04 |
| mdz | done | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | the ubuntu-release membership looks correct to me | 15:04 |
| kees | mdz - announce something to ubuntu-devel-announce | 15:04 |
| mdz | not done | 15:04 |
| kees | bdmurray - file bug about bug supervisor not being able to set bug reporting guidelines for Ubuntu as a whole | 15:04 |
| kees | I think this was done, but I can't find the bug currently | 15:04 |
| pitti | u-release> not sure about Iulian and Stefan (whether they still want to be involved), but otherwise it looks fine to me | 15:05 |
| kees | [action] kees will follow up with bdmurray about his action | 15:05 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kees will follow up with bdmurray about his action | 15:05 |
| kees | pitti - check with James Troup about current quality experience of pool.ntp.org | 15:05 |
| pitti | done, will present the details in the actual topic | 15:05 |
| kees | okay | 15:05 |
| kees | pitti - add TB as vendor contact point for http://groups.google.com/group/ntppool-vendors?pli=1 | 15:05 |
| kees | saw that was done | 15:05 |
| pitti | done | 15:05 |
| kees | okay, were there any other actions we needed to review that weren't already listed? | 15:06 |
| kees | [topic] Default ntpd configuration https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/104525 | 15:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Default ntpd configuration https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/104525 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 104525 in ntp (Ubuntu) "default ntp.conf should use pool.ntp.org servers" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:07 |
| kees | where does this stand currently? | 15:07 |
| pitti | I talked to James about it | 15:07 |
| mdz | I brought it up, but I missed the last meeting | 15:07 |
| pitti | we reviewed that a couple of years ago, and then it was still not very reliable | 15:07 |
| pitti | but these days they have a pretty good probing system and network, and throw servers out of the rotation when they are off by .1 s or more (checked three times an hour) | 15:08 |
| pitti | so from a reliability POV James was okay with it now | 15:08 |
| pitti | his main concern is security | 15:08 |
| pitti | i. e. a server could send out bad times to all clients except to the one that is doing the probing | 15:08 |
| mdz | what's the worst case scenario? | 15:09 |
| pitti | so that you could infiltrate the network with several servers which send out the wrong time | 15:09 |
| pitti | that's quite a lot of effort, of course | 15:09 |
| pitti | the advantage is that it provides nice geolocation support, i. e. selects a server near you, and has a large round-robin network | 15:09 |
| pitti | it would be interesting to see whether they plan DNSSEC support, but then again ntp.u.c. doesn't have that either | 15:10 |
| mdz | pitti, quite a lot of effort, yes, and what is there to gain? | 15:10 |
| mdz | seems like DoS | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | I think we should remember that this is replacing a hardcoded list of server names | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | which we never maintain AFAIK | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | I have a hard time seeing how it wouldn't be an improvement | 15:11 |
| kees | apt has rewind and staleness protections, so the worst-case with targetted time attacks would be a freeze attack convincing apt to never update. | 15:11 |
| mdz | kees, and most users probably inflict a much more successful attack on themselves by not installing updates ;-) | 15:11 |
| pitti | you could also envision running somethign like ebay on a machine like that, and tricking that into thinking that an auction is still happening when it shoudln't be any more, etc. | 15:11 |
| kees | mdz: right | 15:11 |
| pitti | i. e. there are certaily interesting attacks, but it still by and large feels theoretical to me | 15:12 |
| pitti | (and it hasn't happened so far) | 15:12 |
| kees | yup | 15:12 |
| mdz | pitti, on the plus side, if there are millions of clients using that pool, an attempt to subvert it would likely be noticed quickly | 15:12 |
| pitti | so in summary, from what I've heard from the admins there and after discussion with James, I'm happy about the proposal | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | anyway, this discussion has been had in the bug, see e.g. comment 6 | 15:12 |
| pitti | i. e. to have X.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org and ntp.u.c. in the default config | 15:12 |
| mdz | wfm | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | (replacing> in gnome-system-tools, I mean) | 15:14 |
| cjwatson | I'm also happy for us to go ahead at this point; especially security-sensitive sites are still free to use their own NTP servers, and they may well already do so | 15:14 |
| kees | right. I'd agree as well. | 15:15 |
| pitti | cjwatson: indeed, the list in g-s-t is quite bad; we should IMHO replace that in any case, even if we'd not change (or revert) the ntpd.conf list) | 15:15 |
| pitti | so that there's only very little reason to change it at all | 15:15 |
| kees | should we specifically vote on this? | 15:17 |
| mdz | I think we just did | 15:18 |
| cjwatson | we seem to have straw-poll consensus | 15:18 |
| kees | okay, so the proposal would be to switch the default ntp servers to {0,1,2,3}.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org, yes? | 15:18 |
| pitti | kees: plus ntp.u.c. for ntpd.conf | 15:19 |
| pitti | (at least that was the proposal we discussed last time) | 15:19 |
| kees | pitti: ntpd.conf would get {0,1,2,3}.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org and ntp.u.c? | 15:20 |
| pitti | that's how I understood it, anyway; perhaps just three from the pool | 15:20 |
| pitti | then if ntp.org would fail, we'd still have the ubuntu one | 15:21 |
| kees | [vote] switch the default ntp servers to {0,1,2,3}.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org plus ntp.ubuntu.com | 15:21 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: switch the default ntp servers to {0,1,2,3}.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org plus ntp.ubuntu.com. | 15:21 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 15:21 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 15:21 |
| kees | +1 | 15:21 |
| MootBot | +1 received from kees. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 15:21 |
| mdz | +1 | 15:21 |
| MootBot | +1 received from mdz. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 15:21 |
| pitti | +1 | 15:21 |
| MootBot | +1 received from pitti. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 15:21 |
| mdz | I assume someone has checked that they are prepared to handle this volume of clients... | 15:22 |
| pitti | they seemed happy enough about it | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | +1 | 15:22 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cjwatson. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 15:22 |
| pitti | "they" -> ntp.org admins, haven't checked the servers obviously | 15:22 |
| kees | [end] | 15:22 |
| kees | er | 15:23 |
| * cjwatson eyes up https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/715141 and wonders if pool.ntp.org does IPv6 ... | 15:23 | |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 715141 in ntp (Ubuntu) "ntp.ubuntu.com does not have AAAA record" [Undecided,New] | 15:23 |
| kees | [endvote] | 15:23 |
| MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 | 15:23 |
| pitti | [etov]? :-) | 15:23 |
| kees | $ host -t AAAA 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org | 15:23 |
| kees | 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org has no AAAA record | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | http://lists.ntp.org/pipermail/pool/2010-October/005234.html etc. | 15:24 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://lists.ntp.org/pipermail/pool/2010-October/005234.html etc. | 15:24 |
| kees | okay, that passed. who wants to implement it? | 15:24 |
| pitti | I'm happy to take g-s-t | 15:25 |
| mdz | jdstrand touched ntp last ;-) | 15:25 |
| pitti | want to coordinate a bit with upstream there | 15:25 |
| jdstrand | hey now | 15:25 |
| jdstrand | :) | 15:25 |
| pitti | but it's by and large sponsoring, the bug even has patches for both already | 15:26 |
| kees | pitti: I think it's best for 1 person to do the changes, regardless of package. can you take both? | 15:26 |
| jdstrand | if the bug has everything in it, and the vote passed, I can do it now | 15:26 |
| pitti | kees: can do, I just don't know much about testing ntpd | 15:26 |
| jdstrand | as it happens, I am patch piloting as we speak | 15:26 |
| kees | pitti: delegating to jdstrand works too :) | 15:26 |
| mdz | patch pilot! | 15:26 |
| pitti | jdstrand: I'll leave ntp to you then, and take g-s-t | 15:27 |
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| jdstrand | ack | 15:27 |
| kees | [action] pitti to update g-s-t for new ntp pool | 15:27 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: pitti to update g-s-t for new ntp pool | 15:27 |
| kees | [action] jdstrand to update ntp for new ntp pool | 15:27 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: jdstrand to update ntp for new ntp pool | 15:27 |
| kees | jdstrand: to catch you up slightly, be sure that the to-be-sponsored ntp debdiff includes ntp.ubuntu.com as the final fall-back too. | 15:27 |
| jdstrand | ok | 15:28 |
| kees | okay, that topic is done... | 15:28 |
| kees | jdstrand: thanks! | 15:28 |
| kees | [topic] the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:28 |
| jdstrand | sure :) | 15:28 |
| kees | I don't see anything from the mailing list. does anyone else see anything? | 15:29 |
| mdz | looking | 15:30 |
| mdz | is this utf8 thing resolved? | 15:30 |
| mdz | bug 666565 | 15:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 666565 in Ubuntu Translations ""utf8" charmap in locale name is wrong" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666565 | 15:30 |
| mdz | looks clear apart from that | 15:31 |
| kees | it doesn't seem like the TB needs to be involved in that bug? | 15:31 |
| mdz | can we unsub then? | 15:31 |
| kees | done | 15:32 |
| kees | [topic] Check up on community bugs | 15:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Check up on community bugs | 15:32 |
| kees | I see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/374900 | 15:33 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 374900 in faac (Ubuntu) "Libfaac not LGPL" [High,Triaged] | 15:33 |
| kees | this is from long ago, IIRC. | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | I took an action for that at one point, but my head is filled with despair any time I contemplate it | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | I hate legal stuff | 15:34 |
| kees | hah | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | so I don't really know what to do, I could promise to do it but history suggests I may never get to it. Can I punt? | 15:34 |
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| mdz | let someone else worry about it for 2 weeks? | 15:35 |
| mdz | perhaps someone who isn't here today ;-) | 15:35 |
| mdz | looks like someone needs to get in touch with upstream | 15:36 |
| kees | we can punt if that's the way to go; it looks pretty clearly like the encoder package need to be removed. | 15:36 |
| kees | *needs | 15:36 |
| mdz | unless upstream agrees to fix it? | 15:36 |
| kees | but I will add it to the agenda for next time and we can move forward. | 15:36 |
| cjwatson | sorry | 15:37 |
| kees | [topic] other agenda items | 15:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: other agenda items | 15:38 |
| kees | I'd like to bring up moving the TB meeting by an hour or two. Probably 1700UTC would be best for Keybuk, based on his last TB email about his current schedule. | 15:38 |
| kees | I would like it moved away from 7am too, but I can usually make it. | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | 1700 is fine by me | 15:39 |
| mdz | still on tuesdays? | 15:39 |
| pitti | conflicts with desktop team meeting, so I'd need to sit in two in parallel | 15:39 |
| mdz | I have a tricky-to-move weekly meeting at that time | 15:40 |
| mdz | could do that time on mon or wed | 15:40 |
| pitti | I could do 1700 on Thu | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | I can't do Wed afternoon | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | Mon or Thu at that time would be OK | 15:41 |
| mdz | pitti, could you do mon? | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | (it's right after the 10.04.2/SRU/Natty interlock meeting, but I think that should be OK) | 15:41 |
| pitti | we have the SRU/10.04.2 meetings on Monday around that time | 15:42 |
| pitti | and after that I usually have dinner and then sports | 15:42 |
| pitti | so, while it would be very inconvenient, and I couldn't prepare for it, it'd be technically possible | 15:43 |
| pitti | I'd much prefer Thursday, though | 15:43 |
| mdz | I could do Thu but only if we go to alternate weeks | 15:43 |
| mdz | I have a 2-weekly meeting this week at that time | 15:43 |
| mdz | so we would need to change phase | 15:44 |
| pitti | phase doesn't matter much for me | 15:44 |
| kees | due to DST, the earliest I can do Thu is 1800 | 15:44 |
| pitti | don't we usually move it an hour earlier during summer anyway? | 15:44 |
| kees | pitti: no, we recently tied it to UTC | 15:45 |
| mdz | take this to the mailing list maybe? we will need input from the other members as well | 15:45 |
| pitti | ah | 15:45 |
| kees | mdz: yeah, good idea. | 15:45 |
| pitti | 1800 UTC would be 2000 local in summer | 15:45 |
| kees | [action] kees - bring up TB rescheduling on mailing list | 15:45 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kees - bring up TB rescheduling on mailing list | 15:45 |
| pitti | set up a doodle? | 15:45 |
| kees | yeah | 15:45 |
| kees | okay, any other topics? | 15:45 |
| bdmurray | I filed that bug asked about earlier | 15:46 |
| kees | I'll leave Keybuk as chair for next time | 15:46 |
| bdmurray | its bug 703002 | 15:46 |
| kees | bdmurray: ah, excellent. that was my memory too; do you have the bug # handy? | 15:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 703002 in Launchpad itself "distributions have no +configure-bugtracker link" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703002 | 15:46 |
| kees | excellent, thanks | 15:46 |
| mdz | kees, I think it's sabdfl's turn to chair | 15:47 |
| kees | mdz: oh, okay. it's been Keybuk's the last two, IIRC. | 15:47 |
| kees | anyway, sure, sabdfl it is. | 15:47 |
| kees | okay, that's a wrap then. | 15:48 |
| kees | thanks everyone! | 15:48 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 15:48 |
| kees | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:48. | 15:48 |
| kirkland | o/ | 15:53 |
| zul | hi | 15:55 |
| smoser | o/ | 15:56 |
| RoAkSoAx | \o/ | 15:57 |
| robbiew | o/ | 15:57 |
| ttx | \o | 15:58 |
| JamesPage | o/ | 15:58 |
| Daviey | o/ | 15:58 |
| soren | _o_ | 15:58 |
| JamesPage | ttx: feeling better? | 15:58 |
| ttx | JamesPage: slightly. I'm taking forever to recover | 15:59 |
| * smb \o | 15:59 | |
| Daviey | ttx, :( | 15:59 |
| ttx | JamesPage, Daviey: how was FOSDEM ? | 15:59 |
| Daviey | ttx, good... tiring .. good... you were missed. | 15:59 |
| ttx | Daviey: not enough free beer ? | 16:00 |
| JamesPage | ttx: not much free beer :-( | 16:00 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 16:00 |
| Daviey | ttx, maybe too much \;-0 | 16:00 |
| JamesPage | shall we get started? | 16:01 |
| robbiew | yes | 16:01 |
| JamesPage | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is JamesPage. | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:01 |
| JamesPage | So there where no actions from last weeks meeting.... | 16:02 |
| SpamapS | \o/ | 16:02 |
| Daviey | yuppie | 16:02 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC] Natty Development | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Natty Development | 16:02 |
| JamesPage | Hows Alpha 2? | 16:02 |
| SpamapS | should we be iso testing | 16:02 |
| SpamapS | ? | 16:02 |
| Daviey | not a good story for eucalyptus atm | 16:02 |
| JamesPage | still FTBFS? | 16:03 |
| Daviey | think i solved that | 16:03 |
| Daviey | but ftbfs in archive | 16:03 |
| Daviey | and some dhcpd issues | 16:03 |
| zul | sounds like fun | 16:04 |
| Daviey | :/ | 16:04 |
| Daviey | Regarding ISO testing... has everyone at least try installing A2? | 16:04 |
| JamesPage | fixable? | 16:04 |
| * robbiew needs to summarize A2 and put up the plan for A3 this week | 16:04 | |
| Daviey | JamesPage, yeah.. will be fixed this week.. | 16:05 |
| JamesPage | Not yet: the daily ISO testing looks OK at the moment (http://hudson.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/) | 16:05 |
| smoser | i somewhat plan on installing A2 today on netbook. | 16:05 |
| * Daviey needs to talk to upstream | 16:05 | |
| JamesPage | So back to SpamapS original question - should we be ISO testing or do we need todo that closer to A3? | 16:06 |
| Daviey | Generally A2 hasn't shown any kitten killers for me | 16:06 |
| Daviey | (except euca) | 16:07 |
| SpamapS | virt-manager is quite broken right now in natty.. so that makes iso testing a little more of a pain for me. :-P | 16:07 |
| zul | JamesPage: yes we should | 16:07 |
| RoAkSoAx | SpamapS: TestDrive? | 16:07 |
| * SpamapS could do virtualbox I suppose | 16:07 | |
| RoAkSoAx | :P | 16:07 |
| SpamapS | RoAkSoAx: I'll look into it | 16:07 |
| Daviey | Those with real hardware available... is pretty useful to use compared to pure virtualised | 16:07 |
| zul | *cough* vmware *cough* ;) | 16:08 |
| Daviey | i've seen some nasty kernel bugs on my desktop install... and waiting for some serverish ones to hurt. | 16:08 |
| JamesPage | Sounds like thats a specific action for this week | 16:08 |
| Daviey | +1 | 16:08 |
| * SpamapS 's only real hardware available is an old apple G5 | 16:08 | |
| smoser | you do know that A2 shipped, right ? | 16:09 |
| smoser | its kind of late to worry about dead kittens | 16:09 |
| robbiew | no kidding | 16:09 |
| robbiew | time to bury those and move on | 16:09 |
| JamesPage | [ACTION] ALL: ISO testing (including as much real hardware as possible) to smooth the way to A3! | 16:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ALL: ISO testing (including as much real hardware as possible) to smooth the way to A3! | 16:09 |
| SpamapS | in maverick we were getting hounded to do ISO tests.. this time I've heard nothing about iso testing. Just wondering if and when we should do iso tests. :-P | 16:10 |
| Daviey | yeah.. but we need to start hammering it to find the kittens... not save them :) | 16:10 |
| ttx | SpamapS: I wonder who did the hounding | 16:10 |
| RoAkSoAx | lol | 16:10 |
| robbiew | what does hggdh do? | 16:10 |
| SpamapS | ttx: some uppity frenchman | 16:10 |
| ttx | SpamapS: the worst kind | 16:10 |
| Daviey | ttx, you have been missed | 16:10 |
| JamesPage | Anything else for Natty dev at this point in time? | 16:11 |
| robbiew | seriously...if you are on the server team and you have to be hounded to test your own iso at milestone...that's a bit concerning | 16:11 |
| Daviey | i don't think hggdh has been able to test work loads... just installation. | 16:11 |
| zul | well installations was the only thing that was tested for the longest time | 16:11 |
| hggdh | on UEC? (sorry) | 16:11 |
| ttx | robbiew: +1. Even with a professional hounder, Hounding is no fun | 16:11 |
| Daviey | hggdh, generally. | 16:12 |
| robbiew | right | 16:12 |
| Daviey | hounding != co-ordination | 16:12 |
| hggdh | we are still prepping some automated tests -- based on LTP, and others | 16:12 |
| hggdh | and, on Hudson (or Jenkins) we are running pretty much all of trhe ISO tests | 16:12 |
| RoAkSoAx | hggdh: what about the powernap issue? | 16:12 |
| Daviey | hggdh, maybe not now... but could you and JamesPage give us some deeper insight at some point? | 16:13 |
| SpamapS | robbiew: well the cloud doesn't use iso's ;) | 16:13 |
| hggdh | Daviey: certainly | 16:13 |
| Daviey | rocking | 16:13 |
| hggdh | RoAkSoAx: I am starting to think the issue is not with powernap, but with euca itseld | 16:13 |
| zul | SpamapS: yeah but the cloud tests are pretty extensive compared to the installation/work load tests | 16:13 |
| RoAkSoAx | hggdh: ok ;) | 16:13 |
| hggdh | SpamapS: actually we usually start the cloud (read euca, right now) tests with a preseeded ISO install | 16:14 |
| soren | SpamapS: Yet.. | 16:14 |
| robbiew | SpamapS: right, but it uses images...and it's ourproduct | 16:14 |
| robbiew | I'm saying, it should be a high priority the week of the milestone, to test the images we put out...iso or cloud | 16:14 |
| Daviey | soren, you are just trying to create more work for us! :) | 16:15 |
| soren | Daviey: Quite the contrary. | 16:15 |
| soren | Daviey: The biggest problem I had with automated iso testing was lack of resources. | 16:15 |
| soren | Computing resources, that is. | 16:15 |
| Daviey | ack | 16:15 |
| hggdh | double-ack | 16:16 |
| soren | If I could get a cloud to run the ISO for me, hooking up VNC to a screen scraping thing would be relatively easy. | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | Alright.. so the signal to iso test should be... the alpha freezes? | 16:16 |
| ttx | SpamapS: it's actually the candidate generation | 16:16 |
| hggdh | I do not agree | 16:16 |
| hggdh | we should run them daily | 16:16 |
| ttx | SpamapS: otherwise you don't have a page to record results on iso.qa.u.c | 16:17 |
| Daviey | hggdh, i think we are talking manual | 16:17 |
| SpamapS | yes, talking about manual testing | 16:17 |
| Daviey | in my mind.. automated complements manual | 16:17 |
| SpamapS | ttx: right, I don't get any emails when that happens. | 16:17 |
| Daviey | I imagine most people tried the candidate iso before release, right? | 16:17 |
| SpamapS | despite being subscribed to all the iso tests I usually do | 16:17 |
| robbiew | SpamapS: but you get the freeze notice right? | 16:18 |
| SpamapS | robbiew: yes | 16:18 |
| Daviey | SpamapS, that is a good point... the current way of tracking the candidates is via watching -release...and that is a process which is broken | 16:18 |
| robbiew | hmm | 16:19 |
| robbiew | skaet: around? | 16:19 |
| * SpamapS gives in and just subscribes to every list on lists.ubuntu.com | 16:19 | |
| robbiew | so I can see about getting an email notification sent out when the isos are ready to test | 16:19 |
| Daviey | SpamapS, that isn't enough :) | 16:20 |
| JamesPage | So what do we need in terms of notifications? | 16:20 |
| Daviey | Subject: Candidate posted | 16:20 |
| Daviey | Subject: Re-rolled... because XYZ. | 16:21 |
| smoser | I really dont think its that hard. | 16:21 |
| hggdh | where? which list? | 16:21 |
| smoser | The week of a release, you need to be testing | 16:21 |
| smoser | we need to get through all the tests on iso tracker | 16:21 |
| smoser | you really should not need a reminder for release week | 16:21 |
| Daviey | smoser, last cycle i wasted time testing a stale candidate.. | 16:21 |
| robbiew | ack | 16:21 |
| SpamapS | well how do people know they've appeared now? | 16:21 |
| Daviey | this needs better co-ordination. | 16:21 |
| robbiew | #ubuntu-release | 16:21 |
| robbiew | it's a great channel | 16:21 |
| robbiew | I highly recommend it during the release | 16:22 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:22 |
| Daviey | heh | 16:22 |
| SpamapS | smoser: This is the first I've heard of this. The maverick cycle, a little man would pop up in my IRC window and say "test the isos now" ... | 16:22 |
| robbiew | I'll take a todo on getting a notification sent out | 16:22 |
| Daviey | reading scrollback seems to be a less clean process IMO. | 16:22 |
| JamesPage | [ACTION] robbiew to ensure notifications of release candidates (and re-rolls) sent out | 16:22 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: robbiew to ensure notifications of release candidates (and re-rolls) sent out | 16:22 |
| JamesPage | OK so is the combination of watching #ubuntu-release and some extra notifications going todo the trick? | 16:23 |
| robbiew | it better | 16:23 |
| SpamapS | Apologies for being naive above it. I just want to know when I should start focusing on testing the iso vs. other things. | 16:23 |
| robbiew | we do have schedule | 16:23 |
| robbiew | it's not like the release should creep up on anyone by surprise ;) | 16:23 |
| robbiew | SpamapS understood, and I think you raise a good pointr | 16:24 |
| robbiew | point | 16:24 |
| * JamesPage agrees with SpamapS | 16:24 | |
| robbiew | the release team should at least fire off a notice when ISOs are good to test | 16:24 |
| zul | you should have it the back of your mind that we are releasing on this date and see what needs to be done | 16:24 |
| * kirkland wonders if Ubuntu should have a desktop indicator for that sort of thing ;-) | 16:25 | |
| ttx | what we did during maverick is have a "release contact" in the team (was me) whose job it was to remind people to switch to ISO testing (and talked about it in weekly meetings). A bit inefficient, but worked | 16:25 |
| SpamapS | zul: +1 for that.. I have just now added iso testing to my calendar in line with the release calendar. | 16:25 |
| kirkland | perhaps TestDrive could provide one | 16:25 |
| Daviey | kirkland, byobu indicator! | 16:25 |
| kirkland | if you have TestDrive installed, it puts a message in the indicator | 16:25 |
| hggdh | +1 | 16:25 |
| RoAkSoAx | yeah we could do that | 16:25 |
| JamesPage | I think we are missing the point of this meeting - surely we should be discussing activity over the next week in the 'Natty development' section? | 16:25 |
| kirkland | A1/A2/A3/B1/RC/GA Candidate Available | 16:25 |
| SpamapS | Hah.. and of course.. the week before Alpha 3 is the ensemble sprint. :P | 16:26 |
| Daviey | ttx, I had an advantage of seeing what was going on by being on the same TZ as you... i think that helped me. | 16:26 |
| SpamapS | JamesPage: true.. I think zul had something he wanted to bring up regarding Natty development. | 16:26 |
| zul | i thought that was the next topic | 16:27 |
| zul | if we are done with natty release stuff | 16:27 |
| JamesPage | zul: as our rep in the release meeting can you highlight any key activities over the next week just in case its slipped someones mind? | 16:27 |
| SpamapS | Indeed.. though before that was "events" ..which seems to have been wiped away. | 16:28 |
| zul | JamesPage: i think i can do that | 16:28 |
| JamesPage | zul: excellent - I'll make is standing agenda | 16:28 |
| JamesPage | OK so moving on. | 16:28 |
| robbiew | kirkland: +1 on the testdrive idea | 16:28 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events | 16:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events | 16:28 |
| Daviey | JamesPage and I had a good weekend at foSdem ... report to follow | 16:29 |
| SpamapS | I added this last week.. | 16:29 |
| SpamapS | just to highlight when and where Ubuntu Server interested people will be. | 16:29 |
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| JamesPage | SpamapS: I'll copy in the forward plan from last weeks agenda - we can just update as and when. | 16:29 |
| ttx | I'll be at UKUUG Spring Conference in Leeds in March, talking OpenStack (and Ubuntu Server) | 16:30 |
| SpamapS | well its ok.. just wanted to mention that Dustin and I will be at SCALE9x Feb 25 .. and Dustin is speaking I think on Feb 26 | 16:30 |
| JamesPage | Scale9x at the end of the month - ClintByrum (SpamapS) and DustinKirkland (kirkland) attending | 16:30 |
| kirkland | SpamapS: JamesPage: yup! | 16:31 |
| JamesPage | ttx: I'll add that to the list | 16:31 |
| ttx | JamesPage: cool! | 16:31 |
| JamesPage | Anything else for events? | 16:31 |
| SpamapS | kirkland: unfortunately I have to leave Fri night but I'll be there all day Friday. | 16:31 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC] Mysql 5.5 for Natty (zul) | 16:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Mysql 5.5 for Natty (zul) | 16:32 |
| JamesPage | over to you zul | 16:32 |
| zul | hi yeah... | 16:32 |
| Daviey | :0 | 16:32 |
| zul | i wanted to throw out the idea of pushing mysql 5.5 to natty | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | +1 from me | 16:32 |
| zul | as a replacement for mysql 5.1 | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | its faster | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | and the GA release | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | and does not introduce any significant incompatible changes w/ 5.1 | 16:33 |
| zul | amazon is using it for their images | 16:33 |
| JamesPage | How long has the GA been about? | 16:33 |
| zul | but there might be some changes with libmysqlclient we might have to worry about | 16:33 |
| SpamapS | since early December | 16:33 |
| SpamapS | zul: the license changes seem to have been accidental | 16:33 |
| Daviey | it makes sense for natty to have the latest | 16:34 |
| SpamapS | zul: and actually happened in 5.1 | 16:34 |
| JamesPage | any point releases since then? | 16:34 |
| zul | SpamapS: im talking about rebulding things like php open office etc etc | 16:34 |
| SpamapS | JamesPage: no. I know what you're thinking.. in the past mysql's first GA was bad.. but 5.1 and 5.5's first GA's seem to have fixed that problem with wider testing. | 16:34 |
| SpamapS | zul: oh, AFAICT, libmysqlclient did not change ABI or API | 16:34 |
| zul | SpamapS: sure but we are going to have to test it first ;) | 16:35 |
| SpamapS | And IMO its ok to have the client libs coming from 5.1 | 16:35 |
| zul | so thoughts? | 16:35 |
| * Daviey suggests "do it" | 16:35 | |
| Daviey | if there are serious concerns... PPA it and we can sniff test | 16:36 |
| zul | also ill mention that debian will probably be going to 5.5 as well (a feeling) | 16:36 |
| Daviey | post to ubuntu-devel suggesting people test from Desktop apps etc. | 16:36 |
| SpamapS | https://launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/+archive/fixes has the initial packages | 16:36 |
| zul | Daviey: ack | 16:36 |
| JamesPage | Is this someone we can decide in this meeting or does it need discussion on ubuntu-devel? | 16:36 |
| zul | and they have been reviewed by the debian mysql maintainer | 16:37 |
| zul | i think it needs more discussion in ubuntu-devel because there is alot of packages that need libmysqlclient | 16:37 |
| SpamapS | right now, the mysql-5.5 packages I did don't even build libmysqlclient | 16:37 |
| JamesPage | OK so it feel like the consensus here is to go for it; but it needs broader discussion prior to committing in Natty | 16:38 |
| Daviey | yup. | 16:38 |
| JamesPage | We are only a few weeks off feature freeze so this needs to happen quite quickly | 16:38 |
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| JamesPage | zul: you OK for an action to email ubuntu-devel asap? | 16:38 |
| SpamapS | yeah seems useful to just send to ubuntu-devel to get ack/nack's from interested parties | 16:38 |
| zul | JamesPage: yep | 16:38 |
| Daviey | once the version is in... we can ignore feature freeze, as it will be bug fixes :) | 16:39 |
| JamesPage | [ACTION] zul - Email ubuntu-devel to gather consensus on whether MySQL 5.5 should be included for Natty. | 16:39 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: zul - Email ubuntu-devel to gather consensus on whether MySQL 5.5 should be included for Natty. | 16:39 |
| JamesPage | next.... | 16:39 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 16:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 16:39 |
| JamesPage | hggdh: all yours | 16:39 |
| hggdh | OK. We are behind on UEC (known, buyt anyway); ISO testing on Hudson seens to be OK now, wioth the two servers I dedicated to it | 16:40 |
| hggdh | and with James' change to run multiple jobs | 16:40 |
| Daviey | hggdh, ahh.. i still need to update my hudson cnode. | 16:41 |
| hggdh | but I felt sort of alone on this testing... | 16:41 |
| JamesPage | hggdh: is that why each test it taking longer to run now? | 16:41 |
| hggdh | JamesPage: probably, contention on I/O, I would say. Also, I am still to hadd a check for a critical error on d-i | 16:42 |
| hggdh | Sunday and Monday we spent 40 min waiting for the timeout to pop on a d-i error on the first 5 min | 16:42 |
| zul | hggdh: we you able to reproduce that samba bug you were telling me about? | 16:42 |
| hggdh | zul: on the Hudson test -- I figured it out, we need to manually logon the first time as an user for the smb userId to be generated | 16:43 |
| zul | hggdh: right | 16:44 |
| hggdh | so _this_ test will have to be changed | 16:44 |
| hggdh | also, I need a position on how large should be the minimal install | 16:44 |
| JamesPage | hggdh: its grown since the last release.... | 16:44 |
| hggdh | yes. To what? ;-) | 16:44 |
| Daviey | hggdh, 4 GB sparse? | 16:45 |
| Daviey | heck 100GB sparse? :) | 16:45 |
| hggdh | Daviey: no, the JeOS install (f4 on d-i, minimal Ubuntu system | 16:45 |
| Daviey | oh | 16:46 |
| JamesPage | hggdh: I think the original test was 550MB - I allowed +25MB for the testing overlay and its over that as well at the moment. | 16:46 |
| hggdh | JamesPage: yes. But I remember seeing 500M, not 550M | 16:46 |
| hggdh | (not on the test, in the QA docs) | 16:47 |
| JamesPage | You might be right; lets take this offline and double check | 16:47 |
| hggdh | roj | 16:47 |
| hggdh | and I am done | 16:47 |
| JamesPage | [ACTION] hggdh JamesPage to check sizing for minimal installation for QA purposes | 16:47 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: hggdh JamesPage to check sizing for minimal installation for QA purposes | 16:47 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 16:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 16:47 |
| JamesPage | sommer: here this week? | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | I emailed sommer.. | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | he's super busy with the new job | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | and sent apologies if he wasn't able to make it | 16:48 |
| Daviey | yeah.. i don't think things will change,.... had the same experience a few weeks ago. | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | Promises to work on the server guide again soon... and said he would appreciate help with some of the bugs already reported on it. | 16:48 |
| Daviey | We might need to refine how we are tracking docs | 16:49 |
| Daviey | I've done no docs for natty yet. | 16:49 |
| Daviey | has anyone else? | 16:49 |
| SpamapS | Upstart docs has been a running theme for me. | 16:49 |
| robbiew | yeah...I think we need a hard push for updated docs at UDS | 16:50 |
| SpamapS | But they're not done in any official capacity yet.. I've saved a lot of that work for A3 and beta. | 16:50 |
| robbiew | at least by 12.04LTS | 16:50 |
| * robbiew needs to get folks excited about it...if that's even possible :/ | 16:50 | |
| JamesPage | It's not a key focus for this cycle then? | 16:50 |
| robbiew | yay for docs! | 16:50 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:50 |
| robbiew | well...we should have it every cycle | 16:50 |
| robbiew | but given the LTS is where we see most of our use | 16:50 |
| RoAkSoAx | I'm gonna write Clustering docs post alpha3 | 16:50 |
| hallyn | hm, i'd assumed they were 'taken care of', so i'll go ahead and take a look | 16:50 |
| SpamapS | sommer's been taking such good care of us we haven't had to do much. | 16:51 |
| hallyn | @sommer++ for babying us | 16:51 |
| robbiew | right...but we should be making sure it's correct | 16:51 |
| robbiew | as we change things...and he may not catch it | 16:51 |
| Daviey | yup | 16:51 |
| * JamesPage realises that he's missed the kernel team out this week. | 16:51 | |
| Daviey | poor kernel team | 16:52 |
| * smb was already thinking he missed it | 16:52 | |
| JamesPage | so moving on from docs for this week. | 16:52 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC | 16:52 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 16:52 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 16:52 |
| JamesPage | smb: over to you | 16:52 |
| smb | Just wanted to bring up two things I am on | 16:52 |
| smb | * Continue to work through the SUSE Xen patchset and backport changes that | 16:52 |
| smb | came through upstream stable but missed Xen clones of files (Lucid-ec2). | 16:52 |
| smb | Done in the hope to get a fix for bug 708920 in the process. For the future | 16:52 |
| smb | I need to think of how to prevent that skew in the first place. | 16:52 |
| smb | * For bug 709414: check testcase with Natty client to see whether the result | 16:52 |
| smb | is still the same. Both Lucid and Natty do unstable writes followed | 16:52 |
| smb | immediately with a commit request which syncs. So it seems to be sync but | 16:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 708920 in linux-ec2 (Ubuntu) "Strange 'fork/clone' blocking behavior under high cpu usage on EC2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708920 | 16:52 |
| ubottu | Bug 709414 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/709414 is private | 16:52 |
| smb | not very efficiently. Opened an upstream bug to see what those guys think. | 16:52 |
| smb | Otherwise open to questions. | 16:53 |
| robbiew | smb: so I thought it worked in Natty, but not in Lucid (regarding the NFS bug) | 16:53 |
| smb | robbiew, Well to me it looked identical | 16:53 |
| robbiew | smb: right, surbhi said the same thing, but I believe in actual testing, the behaviour is different....but I could be wrong | 16:54 |
| smb | At least when I looked at the output doing test with a lucid and natty client | 16:54 |
| robbiew | ah | 16:54 |
| robbiew | I'll yield to you for sure ;) | 16:54 |
| smoser | smb, mostly out of curiousity, i'd like to have you read bug 710319 | 16:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 710319 in apache2 (Ubuntu) "CPU usage is incorrect on server-status page" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710319 | 16:54 |
| smb | I think Surbhi said something about a difference probably in the code but I am more practical there | 16:55 |
| smoser | it seems that an upstream bug that *should* be fixed (per commits reported to fix it) still exists in lucid. | 16:55 |
| smb | smoser, What release is that for | 16:55 |
| robbiew | for reference the public bug for 709414 is bug 709392 | 16:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 709392 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu Lucid) "NFS client does not submit "nfs_file_sync" write requests when the file open call includes O_SYNC." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709392 | 16:55 |
| smb | I think we may still need a second half for Maverik | 16:55 |
| smoser | i have not reproduced on natty but i'm not certain the test case is guaranteed reproduce. | 16:56 |
| smoser | there is an easy test case there though, that fails for me on lucid, does not fail on natty. | 16:56 |
| smoser | (but they're 2 different systems i'm testing on) | 16:56 |
| SpamapS | 3 minutes | 16:57 |
| smb | smoser, Actually Lucid may also yield wrong load output | 16:57 |
| smb | That would be fixed in Natty | 16:57 |
| JamesPage | SpamapS: noted | 16:57 |
| JamesPage | Anything else for smb? | 16:58 |
| smb | smoser, I think I have done either test kernels or at least prepared them for lucid but lacking a reporducer/reporter did not continue | 16:58 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) | 16:59 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) | 16:59 |
| smoser | we can talk offline, smb, but for me, on lucid, the test case pointed to fails. ie, time can go backwards for utime. | 16:59 |
| JamesPage | kim0: anything from the community team this week? | 16:59 |
| smoser | (and others verify that) | 16:59 |
| smb | smoser, Yep lets take this offline | 16:59 |
| * Daviey wonders if kim0 has internet access this week | 17:00 | |
| ttx | Question for community or team: on https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o UDS is marked as starting Monday afternoon and ending Friday noon. Is that the plan ? | 17:00 |
| Daviey | ttx, i suspect it's a TZ mistake | 17:00 |
| bjf | JamesPage, your running late | 17:00 |
| ttx | Daviey: it's more than a TZ mistake. It makes it 4 days total | 17:01 |
| Daviey | jcastro, ? | 17:01 |
| Daviey | ttx, 00:00 vs 12:00? | 17:01 |
| JamesPage | [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time | 17:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time | 17:01 |
| JamesPage | Tuesday, February 15 2011 16:00 UTC | 17:01 |
| jcastro | timezone problem, I'll fix it, sorry guys | 17:01 |
| Daviey | ttx, if jcastro doesn't respond.. i'll find out and get back to you. | 17:02 |
| ttx | jcastro: cool, thanks | 17:02 |
| maco | Daviey: he just did | 17:02 |
| JamesPage | bjf: all yours.... | 17:02 |
| Daviey | heh | 17:02 |
| JamesPage | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:02. | 17:02 |
| bjf | #startmeeting | 17:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is bjf. | 17:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:02 |
| SpamapS | JamesPage: good meeting! thanks! | 17:02 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:02 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty | 17:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty | 17:02 |
| bjf | # Meeting Etiquate | 17:02 |
| bjf | # | 17:02 |
| bjf | # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. | 17:02 |
| bjf | # | 17:02 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] ARM Status (bjf) | 17:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Status (bjf) | 17:02 |
| bjf | Nothing new, do we have ARM folks anymore ? | 17:03 |
| bjf | .. | 17:03 |
| sconklin | snort | 17:03 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo) | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Release Metrics (JFo) | 17:03 |
| JFo | Release Meeting Bugs (9 bugs, 12 Blueprints) | 17:03 |
| JFo | ==== Alpha 3 Milestoned Bugs (61 across all packages (up 42)) ==== | 17:03 |
| JFo | * 2 linux kernel bugs (up 1) | 17:03 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) | 17:03 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) | 17:03 |
| JFo | ==== Release Targeted Bugs (249 across all packages (up 44)) ==== | 17:03 |
| JFo | * 21 linux kernel bugs (up 4) | 17:03 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) | 17:03 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) | 17:03 |
| JFo | ==== Milestoned Features ==== | 17:03 |
| JFo | * 7 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints) | 17:03 |
| JFo | ==== Maverick Updates Bugs ==== | 17:03 |
| JFo | * 55 Linux Bugs (no change) | 17:03 |
| JFo | ==== Lucid Updates Bugs ==== | 17:03 |
| JFo | * 91 Linux Bugs (no change) | 17:03 |
| JFo | ==== Bugs with Patches Attached:102 (up 8) ==== | 17:03 |
| JFo | * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]] | 17:03 |
| JFo | * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]] | 17:03 |
| JFo | .. | 17:04 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) | 17:04 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling | 17:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) | 17:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling | 17:04 |
| JFo | * found a logic error (what I believe to be one at least) in the process-new arsenal script. | 17:04 |
| JFo | Working to nail down the behavior in that script so that it can be addressed. | 17:04 |
| JFo | * I am cleaning up my notes about kernel testing and should have updates to the wiki documentation done this week. | 17:04 |
| JFo | .. | 17:04 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking) | 17:04 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements | 17:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking) | 17:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements | 17:04 |
| cking | Changes to fwts (natty development branch): | 17:04 |
| cking | * add oops checker | 17:04 |
| cking | * fix double free in dmar test | 17:04 |
| cking | * improving option handling | 17:04 |
| cking | .. | 17:04 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf) | 17:05 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review | 17:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf) | 17:05 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || The kernel Stable team has had kernels in -proposed for almost | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || a week, and a number of the associated fixes have been verified. | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || Due to the alpha release of Natty and the .2 release of Lucid | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || and the demand on certification and QA resources, there is | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || time for us to spin another release and put it in -proposed. | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || Fixes verified already in the current -proposed kernel will | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || remain verified, and any new fixes will require verification. | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || We expect to produce those kernels this week. | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || The process continues to get refined as we go through new | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || cycles. We have taken responsibility for updating the | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || verification tags on bugs and are changing our tools to | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || deal with that. We also are developing internal tools to | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || help track package versions and alert us to errors such | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || as not having an updated meta package when an ABI bump | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || has occurred. | 17:05 |
| sconklin | || | 17:05 |
| sconklin | .. | 17:05 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: Cert. Team (ara) | 17:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: Cert. Team (ara) | 17:06 |
| ara | Nothing to report on SRUs. We won't be testing -proposed kernels this week or the following one. | 17:06 |
| ara | .. | 17:06 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: Ecryptfs (jj) | 17:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: Ecryptfs (jj) | 17:06 |
| jjohansen | - second revision with cleanups and bug fixes pushed to ecryptfs mailing list | 17:07 |
| jjohansen | - revising description text with kirklands feedback for fsdevel submit | 17:07 |
| jjohansen | - tyhicks has been busy and unable to review, is planning to review today | 17:07 |
| jjohansen | - may alter shortname generation to use directory ino pending discussion | 17:07 |
| jjohansen | - may convert from trusted to user. xattr namespace pending discussion | 17:07 |
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| jjohansen | .. | 17:07 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: Natty (apw) | 17:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: Natty (apw) | 17:08 |
| apw | The natty-alpha-2 kernel seems to be holding up ok. Since the freeze lifted we have uploaded v2.6.38-2.29 (v2.6.38-rc3) based kernel. This has brought another swathe of DRM fixes, though things are still iffy there. v2.6.38-rc4 has just released and will be uploaded shortly. | 17:08 |
| apw | Overall we are looking good on longer term tasks with most of the key deliverables complete. We are now tracking mainline and fielding issues as they appear. | 17:08 |
| apw | .. | 17:08 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) | 17:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) | 17:08 |
| sconklin | || Package || Kernel PPA || Proposed || Upd/Sec || TiP || Verified || | 17:08 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || || | 17:08 |
| sconklin | || dapper linux-source-2.6.15 || 2.6.15-55.92 || || 2.6.15-55.91 || || || | 17:08 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta || || || 2.6.15.56 || || || | 17:08 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6 || || || 2.6.15-55.13 || || || | 17:08 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || hardy linux || 2.6.24-28.85 || 2.6.24-28.84 || 2.6.24-28.81 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta || || || 2.6.24.28.30 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 || || || 2.6.24.18-28.7 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 || || || 2.6.24-28.47 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || karmic linux || 2.6.31-22.72 || 2.6.31-22.71 || 2.6.31-22.70 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta || || || 2.6.31.22.35 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ports-meta || || || 2.6.31.22.18 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.31 || || || 2.6.31-22.24 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ec2 || 2.6.31-307.25 || 2.6.31-307.24 || 2.6.31-307.23 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-ec2 || || || 2.6.31.307.6 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-112.30 || || 2.6.31-112.28 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-fsl-imx51 || || || 2.6.31.112.10 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-mvl-dove || || || 2.6.31-214.32 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-mvl-dove || || || 2.6.31.214.13 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || lucid linux || 2.6.32-29.57 || 2.6.32-29.57 || 2.6.32-28.55 || 6 || 1 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 || 2.6.32-29.28 || 2.6.32-29.28 || 2.6.32-28.27 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta || 2.6.32.29.34 || 2.6.32.29.34 || 2.6.32.28.32 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ec2 || 2.6.32-313.25 || 2.6.32-313.25 || 2.6.32-312.24 || 8 || 1 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-ec2 || 2.6.32.313.14 || 2.6.32.313.14 || 2.6.32.312.13 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ports-meta || 2.6.32.29.22 || 2.6.32.29.22 || 2.6.32.28.21 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1 || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1 || 2.6.35-23.41~lucid1 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick || || || 2.6.35.23.35 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-608.22 || || 2.6.31-608.20 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-mvl-dove || 2.6.32-214.30 || 2.6.32-214.30 || 2.6.32-211.27 || 6 || 1 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-mvl-dove || 2.6.32-214.15 || 2.6.32.214.15 || 2.6.32.209.12 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || maverick linux || 2.6.35-26.46 || 2.6.35-26.46 || 2.6.35-25.44 || 9 || 9 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.35 || 2.6.35-26.17 || || 2.6.35-25.16 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta || 2.6.35.26.33 || 2.6.35.26.33 || 2.6.35.25.32 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ports-meta || 2.6.35.26.20 || 2.6.35.26.20 || 2.6.35.25.19 || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-mvl-dove || || 2.6.32-414.30 || || 3 || 3 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-mvl-dove || || 2.6.32.414.4 || || 0 || 0 || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ti-omap4 || || || 2.6.35-903.14 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-ti-omap4 || || || 2.6.35-903.6 || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || || | 17:09 |
| sconklin | || Package || Kernel PPA || Proposed || Upd/Sec || TiP || Verified || | 17:10 |
| sconklin | .. | 17:10 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 17:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 17:11 |
| JFo | Incoming Bugs | 17:11 |
| JFo | 149 Natty Bugs (up 41) | 17:11 |
| JFo | 1141 Maverick Bugs (up 8) | 17:11 |
| JFo | 1005 Lucid Bugs (up 8) | 17:11 |
| JFo | Current regression stats (broken down by release): | 17:11 |
| JFo | ==== regression-update ==== | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 35 maverick bugs (up 3) | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 75 lucid bugs (no change) | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 6 karmic bugs (no change) | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 0 hardy bugs (no change) | 17:11 |
| JFo | ==== regression-release ==== | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 220 maverick bugs (down 1) | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 206 lucid bugs (up 2) | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 38 karmic bugs (no change) | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 2 hardy bugs (no change) | 17:11 |
| JFo | ==== regression-proposed ==== | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 14 maverick bugs (down 1) | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 2 lucid bugs (no change) | 17:11 |
| JFo | * 1 karmic bug (no change) | 17:11 |
| JFo | .. | 17:11 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 17:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 17:12 |
| JFo | The next bug day will be next Tuesday. It will once again cover bugs in the new state. | 17:12 |
| JFo | I'll put some more information out on what I am interested in solving within these set | 17:12 |
| JFo | of bugs once I have determined why the process-new script is failing. | 17:12 |
| JFo | .. | 17:12 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo) | 17:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Triage Status (JFo) | 17:12 |
| JFo | still quite a lot of direct requests to review specific bugs. There are a few people in the community helping out, so that is picking up a bit. | 17:12 |
| JFo | nothing other than that unless someone else has anything. | 17:12 |
| JFo | .. | 17:12 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 17:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 17:13 |
| bjf | thanks everyone | 17:14 |
| bjf | #endmeeting | 17:14 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:14. | 17:14 |
| JFo | thanks bjf | 17:14 |
| sconklin | thanks | 17:14 |
| sforshee | thanks bjf | 17:14 |
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| vish | !away > artir | 19:15 |
| ubottu | artir, please see my private message | 19:15 |
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| duanedesign | 'lo all | 23:59 |
| PabloRubianes | hi | 23:59 |
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