[06:29] <Myrtti> my irc is broken, all my channels have been quiet for 15 minutes
[06:30] <MartijnVdS> ssh! this is a test :)
[06:48] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:48] <AlanBell> http://www.google.com/ is looking fancy today
[07:26] <UndiFineD> AlanBell: when you go down it shows 2 narwhals
[07:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings
[07:32] <danfish> Morning Alian OverLord ;)
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> very good danfish very good.
[07:52] <nigelb> danfish: whoah that was a good one
[07:59] <danfish> :)
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/statuses/34884070668238848
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time to go and get ready. Laterz all.
[08:01] <danfish> that's a bit of a fail - on better (and older) news http://font.ubuntu.com/web/  <-- is very easy to implement
[08:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, the Google FAPI works well, but your font needs to be one in their repo.
[08:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> ttfn
[08:12] <dwatkins> Hi folks :)
[08:37] <cps> morning gentlepeeps :)
[08:40] <cps> ergh, debian 6.0 has been downloading for the best part of 5 hours now
[08:40] <DJones> Morning everybody
[08:41] <cps> hey DJones :)
[08:42] <daubers> Morning
[08:43] <DJones> Hi cps daubers
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: your link 404s
[08:44] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Get rid of the extra %20 :)
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> dial :)
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> fial*
[08:45] <cps> fail*
[08:46]  * daubers has to drive to London again today :(
[08:46]  * DJones feels sorry for daubers 
[08:47] <DJones> I hate driving in any city centre
[08:47]  * cps likes to take the train everywhere
[08:47] <daubers> Thought I could get away on the train, but have to take 5 storage units with me
[08:47] <cps> and anything else that happens to go on rails
[08:48] <DJones> I find trains never go where I actually want/have to go to in a reasonable & cost effective way
[08:50] <DJones> When I changed jobs, I looked at getting the train & found I'd need to get 2 trains, it'd take 2 hours travelling time each way, I'd need to be up 2 hours earlier to get to work on time and it would cost £15+ per day.  Driving takes 45 minutes each way and costs about £5.50 per day
[08:51]  * jpds just cycles around London.
[08:51] <DJones> jpds: What sort of distance do you cycle per day
[08:52] <DJones> Great exercise, but I don't like cycling when its wet
[08:53] <jpds> DJones: 14 miles according to Google.
[08:53] <nigelb> jpds: *jealous*
[08:53] <cps> nigelb: haha
[08:53] <DJones> Sounds good, I have a 30 mile drive each way for work
[08:54] <cps> DJones: I dislike cycling when it's wet as well
[08:54] <jpds> Takes me about 40 minutes, either way.
[08:55] <DJones> jpds: Thats quite a good pace to keep up on a regular basis
[08:57]  * popey drives 30 miles each way to work
[08:57] <popey> i think
[08:57] <popey> morning btw
[08:57] <jpds> popey: Moin.
[08:57] <nigelb> morning popey
[08:57] <popey> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FQ-yDgMdlkX0_yk7diSEwip0SDGqNq3it-vKNA%3BFQKJEgMdzrn4_ynJbdHVLGl2SDEFz_jqcIckUQ&q=gu14+to+uxbridge&aq=&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=14.066575,36.870117&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=10&saddr=gu14&daddr=uxbridge
[08:58] <popey> that journey (pretty much)
[08:59] <nigelb> popey: did you find time to make that ice melting video from all your webcam photos? :)
[08:59] <popey> heh yeah, you asked me that, i made it and it wasnt interesting..
[08:59] <nigelb> aww
[09:00] <popey> http://popey.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc
[09:00] <popey> see
[09:00] <DJones> popey: How long does that take, mine is 45 minutes for the same distance, but I'm guessing the roads could be a bit less congested up here
[09:00]  * nigelb looks
[09:00] <cps> morning popey
[09:00] <popey> DJones: depends on time of day. anywhere between 40 and 90 mins
[09:00] <popey> lo cps
[09:00] <popey> choo choo
[09:00] <cps> o/
[09:01] <DJones> popey: Sounds about right
[09:01] <nigelb> popey: wow, its nice :)
[09:22] <dreamer_> help
[09:22] <dreamer_> ME
[09:23] <dreamer_> ID
[09:24] <Myrtti> er right
[09:25] <DJones> dreamer_: You need to tell the channel what the problem is other wise nobody will know what the problem is
[09:28] <dreamer_> Well I am quite new to the IRC system so I am trying to find my way around :}
[09:40] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:47] <JamesTait> Bonjour, mes amis.
[10:00] <dogmatic69> anyone ever got osx in a vm on ubuntu?
[10:09] <selinuxium> Morning all   o/
[10:09] <selinuxium> Hey AlanBell, you about?
[10:27] <selinuxium> *tumbleweed*
[10:32] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:33] <dwatkins> everyone's playing minecraft or installing OSX in virtual machines, clearly ;)
[10:34] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: I'm curious to try that now
[10:34] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: :D
[10:34] <dogmatic69> everyone in the office has mac's except me... not that im complaining.
[10:35] <dogmatic69> just want to install it so i can back-up my claims that it sucks
[10:35] <dwatkins> I'm surrounded by Mac users also
[10:35] <dwatkins> I think it's superb, best laptop I ever had.
[10:37] <dogmatic69> na
[10:37] <selinuxium> hey czajkowski  o/
[10:37] <dogmatic69> most over priced laptop you ever had
[10:37] <selinuxium> dwatkins, lol
[10:38] <dwatkins> Depends how you count the cost.
[10:38] <dogmatic69> like for like, cpu/ram/etc
[10:38] <selinuxium> Anyone wanting an almost mint eeePC?
[10:39] <dwatkins> I'd say a well built machine with a solid operating system which gets regular updates and security fixes is worth paying a little more for than a plastic laptop running an os full of holes.
[10:39] <czajkowski> selinuxium: howdy
[10:39] <dwatkins> selinuxium: what model?
[10:39] <selinuxium> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ASUS-eeePC-701-BLUETOOTH-8-GB-SD-CAR-CHARGER-/200573660804?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item2eb31f2e84
[10:39] <czajkowski> there is a cute 3 month old baby at my desk
[10:39] <dwatkins> hehe, I used to have a 701 :D
[10:39] <selinuxium> A friend of mine is listing it, so I can vouch for it's condition...
[10:40] <selinuxium> If I had spare dollars I might of got it myself..
[10:40] <dwatkins> The battery life on the newer Eee models is outstanding.
[10:40] <dwatkins> I really like the 701 for being small and the first model, though
[10:41] <selinuxium> I have my eye on the mini mixing desk...
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: so you can make little mixes?
[10:42] <selinuxium> Any of you guys use the Eclipse IDE?
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: I tried to use it yesterday, but it still hasn't finished loading.
[10:43] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, So I can make my neighbours happy by mixing the guitar outs into some headphones for me and my flat mate... :)
[10:43] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, lol. I have installed it and it seems quite snappy atm...
[10:43] <selinuxium> I have used it in the past and it was slow....
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> wait until you load a big code base into it
[10:44] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, Probably not going to happen with me tbh..  Just small personal projects..
[10:46] <selinuxium> Want to use the Aptana integration into Android and other Phone app development... Probably will be a whim for a while...
[10:46]  * MartijnVdS has done some android stuff (very very minor) just using the command line tools
[10:49] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, Do you use any IDE? I have not done any serious code for 4 years now, and then I used Bluefish...
[10:50] <dogmatic69> does anyone know offhand the name of the volume adjuster in shell thingy... started with an 'a' iirc
[10:50] <selinuxium> alsamixer?
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: I use vim with some small vimrc tricks
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: and bash :)
[10:50] <dogmatic69> selinuxium: thanks, that is the one
[10:50] <selinuxium> dogmatic69, np  :)
[10:53] <screen-x> ooh my otherself seems to have joined the future
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: they call you "the doctor"?
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <nigelb> morning davmor2
[11:03] <dogmatic69> o/
[11:04] <davmor2> morning nigelb
[11:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: Welcome Back to the home land :P
[11:05] <czajkowski> heh
[11:05] <czajkowski> odd chap
[11:05] <jpds> czajkowski: s/odd/old/
[11:07] <czajkowski> true
[11:07] <czajkowski> :p
[11:07] <jpds> I'll have my tea on the veranda.
[11:09] <s-fox> Good morning UK
[11:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: you got the nerve to call me odd with jpds last comment
[11:16] <jpds> davmor2: It's very relaxing.
[11:18] <jerkman> hi everyone
[11:18] <davmor2> jpds: What tea on the veranda or being odd :P
[11:19] <jpds> davmor2: Yes.
[11:19] <davmor2> haha
[11:39] <knighwise> morning everyone
[11:42] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[11:42]  * BigRedS notes his dist-upgrade wants to break everything :(
[11:42] <BigRedS> where 'everything' = 'apache/phpfcgi'
[11:49] <dwatkins> Pro tip: keep your blu-tack warm by placing it next to the air vent of your laptop
[11:50] <knighwise> hahaha :) installing 10.10 on an old imac over here
[11:50] <knighwise> might be a little bit too much for the little bugger
[11:51] <BigRedS> Does 10.10 come in ppc?
[11:53] <knighwise> yep
[11:53] <knighwise> there is a flavor out there
[11:56] <BigRedS> ah, not an official port?
[11:56] <screen-x> I'm never quite sure of the status of the ppc port, it is on  cdimage.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <BigRedS> Ahh
[11:57] <BigRedS> I remember it being like that a while ago, too. ISTR someone saying that canonical still did it, but don't support it
[11:58]  * screen-x hands knighwise a spare 't'
[11:59] <knighwise> a spare T ?
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> knighwise: knightwise
[11:59] <BigRedS> to become knigh*t*wise
[11:59] <gord> ppc builds, no one checks that it works ;)
[12:00] <BigRedS> Ahhhh. I like that sort of port :)
[12:09] <siya> any bash wizzards out there?
[12:09] <siya> am struggling w the following
[12:09] <screen-x> MartijnVdS put's on his coat and bash wizard hat
[12:10] <siya> rsync -va --progress VirtualBox/HardDisks/pfSense-1.2.3*.vmdk "/mnt/backup/SYSTEM/wk10/VDI"
[12:10] <siya> that works but the source path may at some point in the script have spaces in it
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: No that's Bloodninja
[12:11] <siya> as such it should be >> rsync -va --progress "VirtualBox/HardDisks/pfSense-1.2.3*.vmdk" "/mnt/backup/SYSTEM/wk10/VDI"
[12:11] <siya> However the * doesn't get expanded with the double quotes
[12:11] <siya> so I'm confused... :(
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> siya: that's what quotes are for :)
[12:12] <siya> hehe, I thought single quotes means things don't get expanded
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> single quotes means $VARIABLES don't get expanded
[12:13] <siya> so how do I deal w spaces w/o parsing * as a mere character
[12:13] <siya> MartijnVdS, ah...!
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> siya: by temporarily re-setting $IFS.. but * expansion should be "safe"
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. "foo*" might expand to properly escaped foo\ bar\ baz
[12:15] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: doesn't seem to here, is there a shopt for that?
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: in a directory with files with spaces in the name, try this:
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: for x in *; do echo "---$x---"; done
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> that should work properly
[12:18] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/564393/
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: yes, that's good: it expands to one file name at a time, and properly treats each file as a single thing
[12:21] <screen-x> for some reason I was expecting to see the spaces escaped
[12:21] <screen-x> but I guess that example does do what you would want it to do in a script.
[12:23] <siya> MartijnVdS, resetting $IFS on a terminal doesn't seem to make any difference
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> siya: it does in special cases
[12:24] <siya> though for a script, I'm reasoning that if it doesn't work on my bash terminal it won't in the script
[12:24] <siya> MartijnVdS, you're telling me I'm not special. I'll take that as a compliment :)
[12:36] <siya> hmmm, it seems that my script works fine w spaces if I don't use quotes... :)
[12:36] <siya> So for now all appears good, thnx guys
[12:36]  * siya goes for lunch
[13:01] <knightwise> hey guyz , for a system with a PIII 600mhz chip and 512 megs of ram
[13:01] <knightwise> whats the best GUI ? g
[13:02] <knightwise> it still needs to support dropbox and a screensaver that displays pictures
[13:02] <knightwise> thats about all it needs to do in fact
[13:02] <BigRedS> openbox?
[13:02] <knightwise> lxde any good ?
[13:03] <BigRedS> I've never used it, but people do keep talking about it
[13:04] <popey> i have used crunchbang on that spec pc
[13:04] <popey> worked nicely
[13:12] <X3N> film recommendations? need to fill up my lovefilm list again..
[13:13] <davmor2> X3N: what kind of films do you like?
[13:14] <BigRedS> Madagascar!
[13:15] <knightwise> DA FOOSA
[13:17] <BigRedS> All hail the giant pansies!
[13:17] <screen-x> BigRedS: I enjoyed Madagascar :)
[13:18] <BigRedS> I've a reputation for watching it rather too much :)
[13:18] <X3N> davmor2: good ones
[13:19] <screen-x> BigRedS: there are multiples sequels now?
[13:19] <BigRedS> at least one
[13:19] <BigRedS> and a couple of christmas specials
[13:19] <screen-x> ahh
[13:20] <popey> X3N: http://www.listal.com/list/imdb-top-250-movies
[13:20] <knightwise> all hail king ..whathisname
[13:20] <screen-x> X3N: cancel lovefilm, create a minecraft youtube playlist.
[13:20] <popey> use someone elses list :)
[13:20] <popey> hah
[13:21] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone,
[13:21] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[13:21] <brobostigon> afternoonings knightwise
[13:27] <knightwise> hihi :) been playing frankenstein all afternoon
[13:27] <AlanBell> Hi all
[13:27] <knightwise> got 2 pc's from the dump and bringing them back to life wih linux (hobby of mine)
[13:28] <screen-x> knightwise: I tried that once, got busted for removing stuff from the recycling centre :(
[13:28] <AlanBell> I have ssh working on my little phone now
[13:28] <knightwise> lol yeah they are pretty strict about that screen-x
[13:28] <knightwise> silly if you think of it
[13:28] <brobostigon> AlanBell: :)
[13:29] <screen-x> AlanBell: daemon or client?
[13:30] <popey> AlanBell: you have a little phone as oppposed to a gigantic phone?
[13:30] <AlanBell> Client
[13:30] <screen-x> connectbot?
[13:31] <AlanBell> Midpssh and screen and irssi
[13:31] <popey> that sounds like a symbian phone
[13:32] <popey> dude, you're going backwards!
[13:32] <AlanBell> Old LG KS360
[13:32] <popey> You went Android -> Symbian when you should have taken the short cut to -> iPhone :)
[13:40] <AlanBell> I value my freedom
[13:41]  * BigRedS points at Google's big database
[13:41] <AlanBell> although, saying that I did manage to lose the darn thing
[13:41] <BigRedS> ;)
[13:42]  * popey goes looking for the source code for LG KS360
[13:43] <popey> ubuntu-uk.org seems unwell
[13:44] <danfish> AlanBell is so into freedom he let his old phone roam free (on a bus) :P
[13:44] <popey> [8962777.581520] Out of memory: kill process 10311 (apache2) score 14870 or a child
[13:44] <popey> [8962777.581539] Killed process 10311 (apache2)
[13:44] <popey> joy
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> fun
[13:45] <popey> tempted to switch from apache to lighty
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: I switched to Cherokee
[13:46]  * MartijnVdS likes it
[13:46] <X3N> we shouldn't switch just because the machine is breaking though
[13:47] <X3N> has it actually died now? I'm not getting any response on ssh
[13:47] <popey> uhm, i have experience of this X3N :)
[13:47] <popey> i am on it
[13:48] <popey> shutting it down..
[13:48] <popey> well, trying to
[13:51] <popey> booting..
[13:54] <czajkowski> eh why no MooDog
[13:54] <czajkowski> odd
[13:54] <popey> its back
[13:57] <popey> X3N: the reason I said that is because I have had experience of apache2 & wordpress 3.x and php 5.3 causing OOM errors
[13:57] <popey> I had it on my VPS, and no matter how I tuned apache2, I couldn't get it to stop.
[13:57] <popey> switched to lighty, problem gone#
[13:57] <screen-x> I  wrote a hello world iphone app last night (my app) on my computer, tried to transfer it to iphone (my phone), wouldn't let me withouth paying apple £100. That's when not caring about freedom bites you.
[13:58] <X3N> OOM?
[13:59] <popey> Out Of Memory
[13:59] <X3N> oh
[13:59] <popey> oh oh em
[14:00] <popey> screen-x: where did you get £100 from?
[14:01] <screen-x> popey: ios dev program enrolment fee.
[14:01] <popey> its £59 Inc VAT
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> $100 then
[14:01] <screen-x> o really?
[14:01] <popey> ya rly
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> $100 =~ £62
[14:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: you scared him off
[14:02]  * popey is looking at an invoice for "IOS DEVELOPER PROGRAM" for £48.76+VAT
[14:02] <screen-x> popey: ah yes, I hadn't noticed it was dollars.
[14:02] <popey> still, not free
[14:02] <screen-x> no :(
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's still a lot
[14:02] <popey> But then neither is Red Hat Linux.
[14:03] <popey> Have you seen the documentation?
[14:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: ;(
[14:03] <popey> It's quite... extensive
[14:03] <screen-x> popey: I can understand charging for app store, but Its a shame you can't run your own app on your own phone free :(
[14:03] <popey> yeah, I'm pretty sure you can
[14:03] <screen-x> well with jailbreak
[14:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: isn't today the day his shift changes maybe?
[14:05] <czajkowski> no idea
[14:05] <czajkowski> I don't stalk him that;s your role
[14:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: you don't need to stalk him he does that to you :P
[14:06] <screen-x> davmor2: no fun in stalking these days, latitude has made it too easy.
[14:07] <davmor2> screen-x: only if they let you use it
[14:07] <czajkowski> latitude++ at fosdem tryig to find people
[14:08] <AlanBell> data roaming at £3/meg is unammusing though
[14:08] <czajkowski> Used a spacial sim for roaming
[14:08] <czajkowski> so a lot cheaper
[14:09] <AlanBell> good idea
[14:09] <czajkowski> aye
[14:09] <czajkowski> :)
[14:09] <czajkowski> full of em
[14:09] <screen-x> I guess the more ip based services you use, the less your number matters, so its fine to change sims often.
[14:09]  * AlanBell is full of awe at the brilliance of czajkowski 
[14:10] <czajkowski> LOL lets not go over board shall we
[14:10] <czajkowski> but here's an idea
[14:10] <czajkowski> Ubuntu-UK demo day or install day/ Bug jam here at Sirius some weekend
[14:10] <davmor2> AlanBell: You see the things you start
[14:10] <czajkowski> Ubuntu UK bowling night
[14:11] <czajkowski> thoughts?
[14:11] <czajkowski> anyone up for either
[14:11] <AlanBell> yes, yes
[14:11] <AlanBell> keep em coming
[14:11] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan
[14:12] <czajkowski> does anyone fancy working on Ubuntu Bugs Saturday 2nd April ????
[14:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: the issue with such days is where, if you have it down south it's too expensive for people up north, and visa versa.  install day is a nice idea though, is that so someone can install ubuntu on gorgomon for you :P
[14:12] <X3N> maybe
[14:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: so folks in the north have to organise stuff as welll
[14:13] <czajkowski> but I'm tired of conference type events over here
[14:13] <czajkowski> I want to have some fun
[14:15] <gord> i kinda got too busy and burnt out to keep organising stuff here, nothing really happens anymore
[14:16] <czajkowski> aye thats fair enough
[14:16] <czajkowski> cant fall down to one person either
[14:16] <gord> it wasn't just me, but it falling completely on the shoulders of others gets a bit much
[14:17] <czajkowski> nods
[14:18] <popey> 14:12:49 < davmor2> czajkowski: the issue with such days is where, if you have it down south it's too expensive for people up north, and visa versa.  install day is a nice idea though, is that so someone can install ubuntu on gorgomon for you :P
[14:19] <popey> -----------------------------> /dev/null
[14:19] <popey> I thought we got over the "where shall we have the event" about 3 years ago
[14:19] <popey> if people want events near them, organise one near them. EOS
[14:19] <davmor2> popey: might of but I was unaware of it :D
[14:19] <czajkowski> popey: indeed
[14:19] <popey> not any more :)
[14:20] <davmor2> popey: indeed
[14:20] <czajkowski> If I organise a bug jam here in Sirius on April 2nd would folks be interesteD?
[14:20] <czajkowski> month before release ?
[14:21] <czajkowski> can be a bug jam or just to work on stuff together?
[14:21] <czajkowski> think there would be any interest?
[14:21] <jpds> Bug jam just don't sound tasty.
[14:21] <czajkowski> bug squashing
[14:21] <andypiper> maybe
[14:21] <andypiper> poss'bly
[14:21]  * czajkowski waves at andypiper 
[14:21] <Dave2> mm, jam
[14:21] <andypiper> 'lo
[14:21] <czajkowski> tbh the idea of a bug jam is just about getting folks together and helping folks
[14:21] <danfish> yes czajkowski, a good idea
[14:22] <czajkowski> it doesnt clash with rugby
[14:22] <czajkowski> there is a pub a the end of the road
[14:22] <czajkowski> we can have some lunch and drinks
[14:22] <czajkowski> and just help folks get a little more involved
[14:22] <andypiper> we could all sit around and watch popey shout at various apps not working the way he wants
[14:22] <popey> czajkowski: yup, sounds good
[14:22] <czajkowski> ok am gonna fire a mail off the UK list
[14:22] <popey> czajkowski: we could bring milk for andypipers saucer
[14:22] <andypiper> lol
[14:23] <andypiper> free milk and bugs!
[14:23] <popey> tasty!
[14:23] <andypiper> nomz
[14:41] <andylockran> howdy
[14:41] <devush> Hi. i am running the ubuntu 10.10 on the mac 10.06 within the virtualbox. earlier the same VM was running on XP host within VMware. I just imported it. Everything runs fine except that the data transfer with external USB lead to crash most of the time. It is a Virtual Box problem or ubuntu to blame?
[14:46] <czajkowski> mail done
[14:47] <popey> howdy howdy howdy andylockran
[14:48] <popey> devush: which bit crashes?
[14:48] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/
[14:48] <czajkowski> ties in with UGJ as well
[14:48] <devush> popey: it just hangs fully. the virtualbox. only the restart of the virualbox helps
[14:49] <popey> personally I would blame virtualbox, the USB support has never been fantastic
[14:51] <DJones> Heh, the ubuntugeek website looks as though it has problems, just had  a warning that its infected with a trojan, somebody else mentioned it in #u as well
[14:52]  * BigRedS tries to remember where weybridge is
[14:52]  * BigRedS finds the link to the map...
[14:52] <devush> i have fedora running without problem.  - i was just testing. may be the import of virtualbox has some issues.  anyway, i am creating a new vm with 11.04 already.
[14:53] <BigRedS> I was fiddling with 11.04 in vbox yesterday.
[14:53] <BigRedS> unity's a lot less... bad than I was expecting it to be
[14:53] <devush> i am also thinking to get 10.10 on the macair directly without the virtualbox. is any body running it. and how to install it without the Superdrive.
[14:54] <popey> i have 10.10 on my mac, not an air though
[14:54] <popey> knightwise has put ubuntu on a macbook air I think?
[14:54] <BigRedS> there've been a couple of people on here claim to get it on mb airs with a normal drive
[14:54] <BigRedS> with no hassle, a Just Works sort of approach IIRC
[14:55] <devush> as I have very stable 10.10 on the vmware for my main development. so i will still prefer 10.10 instead of 11.04.
[14:55] <devush> bigreds: apart from the install are there any major issues you heard - 10.10 on new macair
[14:57] <andypiper> i wonder why killing Chrome on my 10.10 install causes X to crash
[14:57] <czajkowski> popey: what is the UK tag for Ubuntu ?
[14:58] <popey> no idea
[14:58] <czajkowski> shall #uk it
[14:59] <czajkowski> when is Natty released ?
[14:59] <czajkowski> April ? date?
[14:59] <popey> see the release schedule on the wiki
[14:59] <BigRedS> devush: nope, but I've not really been listening
[14:59] <czajkowski> goes to google
[14:59] <popey> 38th april
[14:59] <popey> er
[14:59] <BigRedS> I'm pretty sure it was knightwise who did it
[14:59] <popey> 28th
[14:59] <andypiper> 38th
[15:00] <czajkowski> andypiper: ?
[15:00] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[15:00] <andypiper> they added 10 extra days to april
[15:00] <andypiper> just to ensure Natty was GOOD AND READY
[15:00] <popey> DJones: thing that annoys me most about ubuntugeek
[15:00] <popey> the tradepub link on the right to the manual pdf
[15:00] <davmor2> popey: No I like your first one more,  we didn't miss the release we're just waiting on a calendar update
[15:00] <czajkowski> Just wondered re release party about doing a non london event, like Hampshire bowling or something for natty. on the Saturday 30th.
[15:01] <popey> heh
[15:01] <popey> also, looks like ubuntugeek has been reverted back to july last year
[15:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: #ubuntu-uk possibly better and more relevant
[15:01] <czajkowski> though I thought I heard a mumer that the release  wasnt gonna happen in london this year as that weekend is the wedding
[15:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: - dashes don't work in searches for hash tags
[15:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: #UbuntuUk
[15:02] <czajkowski> nods
[15:02] <DJones> popey: Is the manual supposed to be copyright/paid for?
[15:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're correct the wedding screws up London so it'll be neigh on impossible to get to millbank
[15:03] <czajkowski> aye thats what I thought....
[15:05] <popey> DJones: there is copyright on it, thats not my beef
[15:05] <popey> DJones: my problem is that he's putting the manual behind a tradepub signup
[15:05] <popey> thats just plain rude
[15:05] <popey> he didnt make the manual, as far as I know he contributed zero to it, yet he gets the benefit from the tradepub sign ups
[15:06] <DJones> I see what you mean, its not polite as a starting point
[15:06] <DJones> If you hadn't explained, I wouldn't have know, I haven't heard of tradepub before
[15:07] <popey> fact is you can get the manual via a direct pdf download link on their website
[15:09] <DJones> Just looking now, on tradepub, you have to fill in name + contact details + email so they can email it to you, yet just a straight download from the ubuntu-manual site, the words "blighter" and  "cheeky" spring to mind in a differnt order
[15:11] <popey> heh
[15:11] <popey> exactly
[15:14] <Azelphur> random off topicness, I love this xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuRuwR2JSXI
[15:17] <Laney> arguably it is violating the CC-BY-SA license by not providing attribution
[15:19] <nigelb> davmor2: poke, around?
[15:20] <davmor2> nigelb: I am
[15:20] <nigelb> davmor2: You work on django right? :)
[15:21] <davmor2> nigelb: No I just break it the team work on it :)
[15:21] <nigelb> lol
[15:21] <nigelb> davmor2: Wanna take a session at UDW about django app development?
[15:22] <Azelphur> oO, django. My websites are all django powered :)
[15:23] <nigelb> \o/
[15:24] <davmor2> nigelb: pm'd
[15:24] <nigelb> davmor2: thanks for telling me that you Pm'd.  I have like 100 windows on irssi right now ;)
[15:30] <diplo> Guys and gals, if you have a PDF that is displaying differently on two different machines from a PDF that is created via postscript
[15:30] <diplo> What would you say would be the cause, does it use the print drivers to sort the postscript out or is internal to say the PDF viewer ?
[15:33] <davmor2> diplo: you should be able to view PS directly that would tell you what the original looked like the one that doesn't look like the original may have a rendering issue
[15:34] <diplo> Not on my machine so can't, had this feeling that the printer drivers did some of the rendering
[15:34] <diplo> Which is why it could be different on 2 different machines
[15:39] <brobostigon> in the prefferred applications app, i want it to start chromium by default, and it is set thhere to reflect that. however for exaple when click on a link in a tweet in gwibber, it comesup with an error saying, something along thelines of, cant find google-chrome to open this link. even though i have it set to use chromium-browser. any ideas?
[15:44] <brobostigon> and in gconf it also points at chromium-browser.
[15:46] <brobostigon> Failed to execute child process "/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome" (No such file or directory)
[15:46] <brobostigon> makes no sense.
[15:47] <DJones> brobostigon: I seem to remember reading somewhere that there are a couple of places you have to set the default browser and one of them isn't obvious
[15:48] <BigRedS> /etc/alternatives
[15:48] <BigRedS> which is updated with update-alternatives
[15:48] <BigRedS> (or by manually linking things)
[15:48] <BigRedS> that's the lovely thing about standards...
[15:50] <DJones> brobostigon: Could you not create a symlink from /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome to chromium-browser if all else fails
[15:57] <directhex> brobostigon, there are 2 places the default browser is set.
[15:58] <directhex> brobostigon, are *both* chromium?
[15:58]  * brobostigon stabs the jobcentre for interruptiing, :(
[15:59] <directhex> there's the gnome setting, and there's update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[15:59] <brobostigon> so the latter is set in/etc/alternatives as BigRedS said?
[16:00] <directhex> yes
[16:02] <brobostigon> so i update it, as yousaid with "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" ?
[16:03] <BigRedS> something like that
[16:03] <BigRedS> I generally just use rm and ln, though
[16:04] <directhex> brobostigon, yes, that'll give a list you can pick from
[16:04] <brobostigon> directhex: thank you. :)
[16:04] <directhex> brobostigon, it determines what the sensible-browser command spawns
[16:05] <brobostigon> directhex: ah,
[16:06] <brobostigon> directhex: so either a gnome restart and or system restart for that to take affect?
[16:07] <directhex> brobostigon, shouldn't need either :/
[16:08] <brobostigon> directhex: ok,let me try againthen.
[16:10] <brobostigon> when i click on a url in irssi, it comes up with the same error. gwibber seems to hve gone into non-cooperating mode.
[16:11] <directhex> hmph
[16:11] <directhex> try logging out/in then
[16:11] <brobostigon> ok, brb,
[16:15] <brobostigon> same behaviour.
[16:15] <brobostigon> :(
[16:18] <brobostigon> directhex: iwould say then, something is broken, as this is debian sid.
[16:18] <directhex> hm
[16:25] <BigRedS> what's irssi running it? it's the terminal emulator that's doing it, not irssi itself
[16:26] <BigRedS> See if you can find a non-gnome thing with which to test
[16:27] <brobostigon> something non-gtk ?
[16:27] <brobostigon> brb, jobcentre paperwork to do.
[16:41]  * brobostigon returns,
[16:42] <screen-x> echo $?
[16:42] <brobostigon> ?
[16:43] <X3N> NULL clearly
[16:43] <screen-x> brobostigon: was your quest successful?
[16:43] <brobostigon> screen-x: possibly, found ICT support tech, over at one of the oford colleges.
[16:44] <brobostigon> oxford*
[16:45] <screen-x> brobostigon: directhex works at oxford iirc
[16:46] <directhex> not any more
[16:46] <screen-x> directhex: what are you up to now?
[16:46] <directhex> http://apebox.org/wordpress/linux/296/
[16:47] <X3N> brobostigon: what kind of job are you looking for?
[16:48] <brobostigon> X3N: i would like to do some user  and systems support. which i have done before, i would even be open to similer things.
[16:48] <Azelphur> lmfao, I have my mums £100 budget android phone running psx4droid
[16:49] <screen-x> directhex: awesome :)
[16:55] <brobostigon> X3N: i should also mention, i like being creative, and making new and different things.
[16:56] <Mez> Can anyone reccomend good asset management software?
[16:57] <jpds> Mez: Asset as in dosh?
[16:57] <Mez> Asset as in hardware/software/etc
[17:02] <X3N> Mez: mysqld ;)
[17:03] <Mez> X3N: cause that's a great, easy to use frontend.
[17:03] <X3N> yeah, haven't you used mysql-query-browser? or phpmyadmin ;)
[17:03]  * BigRedS has become quite partial to the mysql cli
[17:03] <X3N> or that ^
[17:05] <BigRedS> haha
[17:18] <X3N> sorry Mez, not very helpful
[17:19] <directhex> map it out in minecraft. use diamond for expensive laptops, lapis lasuli for midrange, dirt for cheap
[17:20] <X3N> ..although in comparison with that, my suggestion was pretty good
[18:40] <DeathSling> Hello again all, it's been a while since I was here
[18:41] <DeathSling> not that anyone should have missed me
[18:42] <brobostigon> evening DeathSling
[18:44] <DeathSling> I've just sucessfully got drbd and a virtual guest running, probably not very well but it's running...
[18:44] <DeathSling> ...slowly...
[18:44] <brobostigon> drbd ?
[18:44] <mgdm> it's a thing that lets you mirror filesystems (sort of)
[18:45] <DeathSling> it can sync hard disk across a network
[18:45] <mgdm> www.drbd.org
[18:45] <brobostigon> like rsync then ?
[18:45] <DeathSling> sort of, but not quite
[18:45] <mgdm> brobostigon: sort of - but filesystem-based instead of file-based
[18:45] <brobostigon> interesting,
[18:46] <DeathSling> good for fail over
[18:46]  * HazRPG is rather disappointed that sony has put rootkits into 3.56, is it not bad enough that they took out the OtherOS "feature"
[18:47] <HazRPG> still can't believe that's what the new patch does
[18:47] <brobostigon> HazRPG: so no ps3 supercomputing linux cluster anymore, :(
[18:47] <HazRPG> I'm refusing to update to 3.56 for that reason :/
[18:47] <HazRPG> brobostigon: the OtherOS option has been taken out for a while now :(
[18:48] <HazRPG> however I doubt those that are using them as clusters have updated their firmware
[18:48] <DeathSling> "we made it and it's ours!"
[18:48] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yess, and its awful.
[18:48] <HazRPG> DeathSling: IKR :/
[18:48] <HazRPG> brobostigon: your telling me :/
[18:48] <HazRPG> so tempted to put the 3.55 cfm on
[18:49] <DeathSling> ps3 and taking away linux option, read about it a while back, spoilsports is what they are
[18:49] <HazRPG> I miss my ps3 linux box :(
[18:49] <HazRPG> yeah, but not long after the "removal" geohotz brought it back via cfm... which I think was epic win
[18:49] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no, i am not, because iknow you knew already.
[18:50] <DeathSling> ps  whats 'IKR'?
[18:50] <HazRPG> I Know Right
[18:50] <DeathSling> ahhh   :)
[18:50] <HazRPG> well its actually more like "I Know... Right!?" in its usage
[18:50] <HazRPG> but you get the point :P
[18:50] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[18:51] <HazRPG> just sucks :(
[18:51] <brobostigon> agreed, :(
[18:51] <HazRPG> worse thing was, my sister used my PS3 for the first time ever to play guitar hero and updated to "update" that removed the OtherOS :(
[18:51] <HazRPG> was so pissed when I found out
[18:51]  * brobostigon is very impressed  with his g1 with gingerbread, impressive battery saving and life.
[18:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ouch, :(
[18:52] <HazRPG> brobostigon: didn't think gingerbread was out yet
[18:52] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I just bought my mum a ZTE Blade (£100 new from orange) It's really nice
[18:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: december last year, android 2.3 ie.
[18:52] <HazRPG> which is why I've told her, if you see the "update" on the console, not to do it... I'm staying at 3.55 until they remove the rootkit they've just put on 3.56
[18:53] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh I thought gingerbread was 3.0?
[18:53] <brobostigon> Azelphur: iwill have a look,can it be bought unlocked and simless, ?
[18:53] <Azelphur> brobostigon: no but there's a keygen for sim unlocking
[18:53] <Azelphur> and it works
[18:53] <brobostigon> HazRPG: v.3 is the next one after, honeycomb.
[18:53] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I sim unlocked, rooted, flashed recovery and a new rom
[18:53] <HazRPG> Azelphur: surely rooting it or unlocking it would render its sim-lock useless right?
[18:54] <Azelphur> HazRPG: root != sim lock
[18:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah, see I've seen it been misquoted a few times
[18:54] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i will have a look,thank you for the idea. :)
[18:54] <AlanBell> czajkowski: re the bug jam on the 2nd April, yes, I am up for that
[18:54] <HazRPG> Azelphur: I thought the sim-lock was in the O/S build?
[18:54] <Azelphur> brobostigon: http://azelphur.com/content/orange-san-francisco-zte-blade-review-how-unlock-root-custom-rom
[18:55] <brobostigon> Azelphur: let me read.
[18:55] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I'm really impressed with it :D
[18:55] <Azelphur> HazRPG: nope
[18:55] <HazRPG> Azelphur: my mistake ^^
[18:55] <Azelphur> I think sim lock is in radio
[18:55] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i have aswell, but i know the right wayround aswell.
[18:55] <HazRPG> am I the only one thinking that putting a rootkit on a system like the PS3 is bad? Considering its abilities...
[18:56] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[18:56] <Azelphur> HazRPG: nope, it's also not the first time Sony has done rootkits and got bitten by it
[18:56] <HazRPG> brobostigon: should really unlock mine to gingerbread, the last 2 updates have been "promises to gingerbread" but have just been revisions of FroYo
[18:57] <HazRPG> Azelphur: yeah I recall the problems with Music CD's back in 2005
[18:57] <Azelphur> :)
[18:57] <HazRPG> I actually own one of said discs sadly :/
[18:57] <Azelphur> this is why I stay away from consoles
[18:57] <Azelphur> I'm so glad I made that decision
[18:57] <HazRPG> thankfully I ripped it on ubuntu - so I was fine xD
[18:57] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i am identifying alot of improvements now, especially on an older device like the g1, and it working muchbetter, than most of the previous android version ihave tried.
[18:58] <HazRPG> Azelphur: reason I got the ps3/wii/360 was so I could stay away from PC gaming, so I can strip windows off my machine altogether :/
[18:58] <brobostigon> HazRPG: like the power manaegement, is so muchbetter, and the process and resource manegement,
[18:58] <HazRPG> brobostigon: really?
[18:58] <Azelphur> HazRPG: I PC game in wine
[18:58] <Azelphur> I'm hardcore :D
[18:59] <HazRPG> Azelphur: my attempts have failed for some of my games :(
[18:59] <brobostigon> HazRPG: really, yes.
[18:59] <HazRPG> brobostigon: where do you get the builds for it?
[18:59] <HazRPG> brobostigon: or do you have to compile yourself?
[18:59] <HazRPG> I've thought of using cyanogen
[19:00] <Azelphur> HazRPG: :(
[19:00] <brobostigon> HazRPG: partly cyanogenmod, and xda.
[19:00] <HazRPG> brobostigon: is it cyanogen-mod your using?
[19:01] <czajkowski> AlanBell: tis on the LD
[19:01] <brobostigon> HazRPG: not at the moment, because the cm7/android 2.3 build, has a kernel that wont let the g1 sleep. so i am using a purer AOSP build from xda.
[19:02]  * HazRPG awaits for news of hackers using the ps3 rootkits as a huge botnet xD
[19:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: and that has solved the problem,
[19:02] <HazRPG> ah cool
[19:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[19:03] <HazRPG> wonder if the cm7 works fine for the Nexus One
[19:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: there is a cm7 android 2.3 build for nexus one,.
[19:03] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I wouldn't be surprised if the rootkit is exploited by cancer researchers and such likes using all the PS3 connect as a big research computer xD
[19:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: interesting idea.
[19:04] <HazRPG> brobostigon: does it have the same issue as the g1 build?
[19:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no idea.
[19:04] <HazRPG> connected to the internet*
[19:08] <brobostigon> lol, google  latitude thinks i am sitting in the middle of the m40, when i am sitting at home, infront of the tv.
[19:08] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/
[19:09] <AlanBell> registered
[19:11] <HazRPG> Woah! No way! Apparently my Nexus One has a 802.11 n built in
[19:11] <HazRPG> I thought it was the standard b/g
[19:16] <X3N> anyone experience of buying SSL certs?
[19:20] <HazRPG> X3N: Not got experience buying them, but I have used them. What would you like to know?
[19:20] <X3N> Where I can get a cheap one that's widely valid
[19:21] <mgdm> I got one from godaddy, alternatives include gandi.net
[19:21] <HazRPG> there's also: http://www.instantssl.com/
[19:22] <HazRPG> depends on what you need it for
[19:22] <HazRPG> are you signing software, or a website?
[19:22] <X3N> website
[19:23] <HazRPG> well gandi.net has them from £110
[19:24] <HazRPG> instantssl.com from £45
[19:24] <HazRPG> really depends what sort of protection you need, and whether you want to be protected for any liabilities or not
[19:25] <HazRPG> most companies are resellers of Comodo, Verisign, etc
[19:26] <HazRPG> http://www.comodo.com/e-commerce/ssl-certificates/secure-server.php
[19:27] <HazRPG> you'll find verisign is highly overpriced though - but again depends on the protection you need
[19:28] <HazRPG> http://www.ssl247.co.uk/ <==
[19:28] <X3N> hmm thanks
[19:29] <HazRPG> I use comodo for my e-mail signing
[19:29] <HazRPG> and for mumble signing
[19:29] <HazRPG> but a free version, since I don't need a paid one
[19:32] <HazRPG> X3N: godaddy.com might be your best/cheapest option - but you'll obviously know your needs better than I will
[19:32] <HazRPG> as mgdm mentioned earlier
[19:34] <HazRPG> hope that helps any
[19:34] <X3N> yeah that's useful, thanks
[19:36] <HazRPG> the premium SSL one from GoDaddy will give you £155,077 /yr protection for ~£62 a year
[19:40] <HazRPG> ring one of those sites up if your still struggling to pick which one you need
[19:40] <brobostigon> and they will advise you.
[19:40] <HazRPG> www.instantssl.com have a live chat system that you can talk to too if you don't wanna use the phone
[19:40] <brobostigon> thats good, i likw.
[19:41] <HazRPG> yeah I always like sites that have live chat features :)
[19:41] <brobostigon> ebuyer used to, idont know if they do anymore.
[19:41] <HazRPG> I think they still do
[19:41] <brobostigon> i think.
[19:41] <HazRPG> I know dabs do too
[19:41] <brobostigon> oh, :)
[19:44] <HazRPG> seems ebuyer took it off :(
[19:44] <brobostigon> :(
[19:47] <HazRPG> seems dabs did too :(
[19:48] <brobostigon> :(
[19:49] <HazRPG> brobostigon: woah! http://www.geeksphone.com/en/
[19:49] <HazRPG> slide out keyboard!
[19:50] <HazRPG> there should be more androids with slide out keyboards
[19:50] <HazRPG> touch interface is bad for typing :(
[19:50] <brobostigon> HazRPG: agreed, a real keyboard, :)
[19:50]  * brobostigon hugs his g1.
[19:51] <DJones> Onceyou get used to them, I've found touch keyboards a lot faster than a physical keyboard
[19:57] <HazRPG> DJones: Really? I would say I'm use to mine... and can type without looking at the screen, however that doesn't stop my fingers pressing between two positions and messing up what I was typing drastically
[19:57] <HazRPG> (stupid auto-correct feature)
[19:57] <HazRPG> useful for most things, but sometimes a pain
[19:58] <DJones> HazRPG: I just got used to it
[19:59] <DJones> although now, I'm using swype and that blows any other keyboards away
[19:59] <HazRPG> the thing that bugs me is the fact that you can't hold shift with one finger and then show characters... you have to press it, then press a key, then shift out if it hasn't automatically do it
[20:00] <HazRPG> I mean to type my usual password (numbers + letters + characters) I find myself pressing 20 keys instead of much less than that
[20:00] <HazRPG> DJones: 8pen I find is better than swype - just me though
[20:01]  * brobostigon kinda likes 8pen aswell.
[20:01] <HazRPG> however it is a technique you have to get use to
[20:01] <brobostigon> agreed.
[20:01] <HazRPG> at first you'll be incredibly slow with it, but it does pass very quickly
[20:01] <brobostigon> for some people.
[20:01] <HazRPG> brobostigon: woot 8pen hugs!
[20:02] <brobostigon> :)
[20:02] <HazRPG> I found the majority of people I've thrown at it start off slow for the first message or so, but then get use to it
[20:02] <HazRPG> obviously time makes it so that your pretty much just swiping away lightening fast (still not got there xD) but it will happen
[20:03] <brobostigon> no-one else here, i know,has actually used it, for me toask.
[20:03] <HazRPG> heh
[20:03] <HazRPG> I find it an amazing tool to have on a phone
[20:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: inreal life, imean.
[20:03] <HazRPG> it truly is the the keyboard for touch-screen people
[20:03] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah
[20:04] <HazRPG> but I tend to just see what people think of the concept - since they see me sliding my finger across the screen and go "what are you doing!?"
[20:05] <HazRPG> so I boot up the teach program and see how they handle it :P
[20:05] <brobostigon> :)
[20:05] <HazRPG> I wish the numbers were lined up at the top however... :(
[20:08] <HazRPG> things that would be awesome in an android phone, for me, would be: 1) Sliding keyboard, 2) Number keys lined on the top of the keyboard, 3) Dual-SIMs (its been proven to work on android phones, why do big companies refuse to put it in their products)
[20:08] <HazRPG> that would be the ultimate android phone in my eyes
[20:08] <HazRPG> but I must be a niche market
[20:09] <HazRPG> DJones: seriously give 8pen a try :) http://www.the8pen.com/
[20:09] <HazRPG> if anything, just uninstall if you don't like it
[20:09] <DJones> HazRPG: I'll have a look some time
[20:10] <DJones> Interesting http://androidcommunity.com/bbc-iplayer-coming-to-android-and-ios-20110208/
[20:10] <dutchie> i think if my phone had enough oomph to run 8pen properly, i'd quite like it
[20:11] <dutchie> but my phone doesn't have enough oomph to run anything properly
[20:11] <brobostigon> dutchie: my g1 has enough umphh to run 8pen,
[20:12] <dutchie> yeah, i think the main issue is lack of memory
[20:12] <dutchie> seeing as you can literally do nothing without it OOMing
[20:14] <daubers> Woot! Home
[20:15] <BluesKaj> Can somebody recommend a British Brick & Mortar Computer store chain , I can't seem to find anything but online stores. My daughter needs to buy an ac/dc adpater for her laptop . The battery is dead so she needs to find a retailer that sells them in or around London.
[20:16] <DJones> Might be worth trying Maplins
[20:17] <Azelphur> yea, you'll no doubt get a generic one at maplins that'll do anything
[20:17] <Azelphur> if not the exact charger
[20:17] <brobostigon> HazRPG: and 8pen seems fairly resource and memory efficiant,
[20:17] <BluesKaj> maplins , is it expensive ? she's abit short on cash atm , DJones
[20:18] <DJones> If not, probably most computer shops would be able to order one in
[20:18] <DJones> i find maplins quite reasonable, not as cheap as the online shops though
[20:19] <BluesKaj> DJones, computer shop names is what I need to know. I'm in Canada nad daughter has only been i London for 6mos so she's not real familiar with the reatil shops yet
[20:20] <DJones> BluesKaj: I can't help with names, I'm North west England and don't know the london shops, hang around a bit though, there's quite a few that are London area in the channel
[20:21] <DJones> popey: AlanBell Can either of you make a suggestion for BluesKaj
[20:22] <BluesKaj> gjo thanks I appreciate the suggestion about maplin's ..looks promising :)
[20:22] <BluesKaj> oops DJones , I mean :)\
[20:22] <smittix> Evening all
[20:23] <maco> BluesKaj: if it works anything like it does on the "home" side of the pond, the generic works-with-supposedly-everything ones will cost nearly £100 while an exact one'd only be £10  (following the 1:1 USD:GBP rule of electronics)
[20:23] <grogoreo> hi
[20:23] <grogoreo> I'm trying to connect an iPhone to wnxp virtualbox but doesn't come up. It does show up in ubuntu
[20:24] <maco> grogoreo: vbox ose or personal use proprietary one?
[20:24] <grogoreo> maco, ose
[20:24] <maco> grogoreo: cant do usb with that
[20:24] <grogoreo> maco, right. So will work in personal one?
[20:24] <grogoreo> ta
[20:25] <maco> grogoreo: bingo
[20:25] <HazRPG> brobostigon: haha look at this: http://www.gsmarena.com/8_megapixel_x908_flaunts_3x_optical_zoom_and_dualsim_support-news-554.php
[20:26] <grogoreo> is it possible to copy a winxp ose install to personal version?
[20:28] <HazRPG> grogoreo: yeah, just keep the virtual hard drive
[20:28] <brobostigon> HazRPG: that page is taking ages to load.
[20:28] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I had that issue too - seems its either popular, or overseas
[20:29] <brobostigon> HazRPG: hmm, ok.
[20:29]  * brobostigon stays patient
[20:29] <HazRPG> brobostigon: its essentially an 8MP camera with phone capabilities - dual-sim too!
[20:29] <grogoreo> thank Haz
[20:29] <brobostigon> HazRPG: interesting.
[20:29] <HazRPG> grogoreo: if your in ubuntu, should be in the .virtualbox folder
[20:29] <HazRPG> unless you stored the virtual hard drive in a different location
[20:30] <HazRPG> if your worried about losing it, move the folder for the whole machine (should be a folder named the same as the machine) in the .virtualbox folder to somewhere else, install the personal edition, then move back
[20:31] <HazRPG> then run the software
[20:31] <HazRPG> but the uninstall shouldn't remove the .virtualbox folder I don't think...
[20:32] <grogoreo> I'm going to update to 4. Seems they've gotten rid of the two versions
[20:32] <grogoreo> ta for info
[20:33] <HazRPG> grogoreo: 4 is the one I'm using :)
[20:35] <HazRPG> I find usb support seems to be a bit temperamental at times - in any version :/
[20:37] <HazRPG> why do I keep googling php/mysql stuff when I have a reference book with the syntax over there <[20:37] <HazRPG> T__T
[20:37]  * HazRPG opens the MySQL pocket reference book
[20:38] <BluesKaj> maco, so far I found an acer psu/adapter with cords for her model for 50₤
[20:38] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: you probably won't find one for cheaper than ~£40
[20:39] <HazRPG> I had that issue with my laptop once, both the battery and the power supply died - ended up just saving for a new laptop instead and using an old machine
[20:39] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: what make you looking for? Along with the replacement part number... so that I can see what I can find for you
[20:40] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, well that's abit more than I paid for the original on ebay , it was around ₤20
[20:40] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, itan acer extensa 4630z laptop
[20:45] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: am I right in thinking you want to buy it straight out of a shop?
[20:45] <HazRPG> or can it wait i.e. buy online?
[20:48] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: you can get it for ~£25 from here: http://www.dhgate.com/ac-adapter-power-supply-acer-extensa-4630z/r-ff8080812af6d550012af717374e0599.html
[20:48] <HazRPG> ah wait, doesn't have a UK socket
[20:49] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, her laptop battery is dead so she can't order online
[20:50] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: ah
[20:50] <HazRPG> well I was going to say on ebay, there's a guy selling them for £10 inc P&P
[20:50] <HazRPG> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Acer-Extensa-4630Z-AC-Adapter-Power-Supply-Charger-19v_W0QQitemZ140423586375QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=208494468143&rvr_id=208494468143&cguid=7be9bd1e12d0a0aa1463e2c3ffd6c0c1#ht_9033wt_1139
[20:54] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: She could order it over the phone with this shop: http://smart-parts.net/catalog/?brand=Acer&name=Extensa&series=4600+Series&model=4630Z
[20:54] <HazRPG> reasonably priced too
[20:54] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, , the PSU and cords are toast , they smoked and burned , so she needs the cords and psu/adapter ...the laptop battery worked for a few hrs after the psu quit so we know the lappy is ok
[20:55] <BluesKaj> HazRPG,  is that shop in London ?
[20:56] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, looks very promising pricewise at least :)
[20:59] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: it is london-based... however it could just be a warehouse
[21:00] <HazRPG> address as taken from the website: "Smart Parts, 72 Farm Lane, London, SW6 1QA, UK"
[21:00] <HazRPG> http://smart-parts.net/contact_us/
[21:01] <HazRPG> again, like I said you could always ring them and order one by phone
[21:01] <HazRPG> or even to just ask for more details, etc
[21:02] <HazRPG> maplins might be a good bet too if you wish, they have this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/ac-dc-multi-voltage-4a-switched-mode-power-supply-48517
[21:02] <selinuxium> smittix, Welcome James  :)
[21:02] <HazRPG> which is reasonably priced - however make sure the settings are set to the same one as the existing brick
[21:03] <HazRPG> and you should be able to just pick one up at any maplins store
[21:05] <HazRPG> ah wait scratch that last one - should have read the questions at the bottom, that maplins link I put doesn't support laptops - but I'm sure they'll have one that's cheap enough
[21:07] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: You could try: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&xhr=t&q=laptop+power+adaptor&cp=14&safe=off&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
[21:08] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: according to the last comment at the very bottom of that google map listing, it says that they do replace AC adapters and other stuff like that
[21:11] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: hope those help you out
[21:13] <HazRPG> just realised that link doesn't take you to the listing I was talking about - stupid AJAX, here's the listing mentioned earlier: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?cid=10275703021960055313&q=laptop+power+adaptor,+london&hl=en&dtab=0&sll=51.510192,-0.184985&sspn=0.247302,0.270211&ie=UTF8&ll=51.669574,-0.493698&spn=0,0&t=h&z=11
[21:14] <HazRPG> and here's the website of the company: http://www.oxygenit.com/home_users.aspx
[21:16] <HazRPG> seems like they have 2 offices in london
[21:30] <brobostigon> nos da, everyone. sleep well.
[21:35] <AlanBell> oi people, don't leave me alone with czajkowski http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/
[21:35] <czajkowski> :(
[21:45] <daubers> Poor czajkowski
[21:46] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, thanks , my daughter is going to call them to see if smartparts has the adapter in stock and if she buy it directly from their outlet if possible .She lives quite close by, and has the address and all the particulars
[21:57]  * daubers might be on a boat in Norfolk on the day of the Global Jam
[22:01] <daubers> Oooh er W:Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[22:02] <daubers> Also, should I be able to edit the text in the error dialog?
[22:03]  * daubers looks for a bug
[22:03] <directhex> no. it's probably an editable so you can highlught and copy/paste. but it should be readonly
[22:05]  * daubers files \o/
[22:06] <daubers> Bug 715454
[22:08] <daubers> also, blasted nvidia drivers
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> daubers: if you can't type in a window, try using metacity
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> I've has compiz keyboard focus bugs
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> had*
[22:13] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Opposite problem :)
[22:13] <MartijnVdS> wait
[22:13] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Can type in a box I probably shouldn't be able too
[22:13] <MartijnVdS> CAN type.. hmm
[22:13] <MartijnVdS> daubers: you should be able to.. in case an upgrading package asks if you want to overwrite configs yes/no/diff
[22:13] <daubers> MartijnVdS: But it's just a cancel box!
[22:14] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Look at the screenshot in the bug report...
[22:14] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ah.. it's not the "dpkg scrolly" window thing
[22:14] <daubers> No :)
[22:14]  * MartijnVdS bad
[22:14] <daubers> Righty, about to fall asleep on the sofa (again) so should probably head to bed
[22:14] <daubers> Night all
[22:15] <MartijnVdS> \o
[22:16] <HazRPG> brobostigon: Haha, just figured out my number problem on 8pen - made some gestures :D
[22:16] <HazRPG> ... wait he's offline :/
[22:19] <BluesKaj> HazRPG, thanks , my daughter is going to call them to see if smartparts has the adapter in stock and if she can buy it directly from their retail outlet .She lives quite close by
[22:20] <HazRPG> BluesKaj: good stuff :)
[22:21] <BluesKaj> decent prices too, HazRPG
[22:22] <BluesKaj> well, stuff to do ...gotta go
[22:33] <jpds> daubers: apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True
[22:37] <n1md4> Can Intel E5335 run on a 64-bit kernel?
[22:38] <moreati> n1md4: yes
[22:39] <jpds> n1md4: http://ark.intel.com/ is your friend.
[22:42] <n1md4> thanks guys.  would it be an amd64 or x86_64 ?
[22:43] <moreati> n1md4: those are two brands for the same thing
[23:07] <n1md4> moreati: okay, I'd always thought one was optimised for AMD the other Intel.
[23:08] <moreati> n1md4: nope - AMD created a 64-bit extension to x86 with the Athlon64 and called it AMD64. Intel licensed it and called it x86_64.