=== MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [06:29] my irc is broken, all my channels have been quiet for 15 minutes [06:30] ssh! this is a test :) [06:48] morning all [06:48] http://www.google.com/ is looking fancy today === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [07:26] AlanBell: when you go down it shows 2 narwhals [07:30] Morning earthlings [07:32] Morning Alian OverLord ;) [07:40] very good danfish very good. === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [07:52] danfish: whoah that was a good one [07:59] :) [08:00] https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/statuses/34884070668238848 [08:01] Time to go and get ready. Laterz all. [08:01] that's a bit of a fail - on better (and older) news http://font.ubuntu.com/web/ <-- is very easy to implement [08:02] Yes, the Google FAPI works well, but your font needs to be one in their repo. [08:03] ttfn [08:12] Hi folks :) [08:37] morning gentlepeeps :) [08:40] ergh, debian 6.0 has been downloading for the best part of 5 hours now [08:40] Morning everybody [08:41] hey DJones :) [08:42] Morning [08:43] Hi cps daubers [08:43] AlanBell: your link 404s [08:44] MartijnVdS: Get rid of the extra %20 :) [08:44] dial :) [08:44] fial* [08:45] fail* [08:46] * daubers has to drive to London again today :( [08:46] * DJones feels sorry for daubers [08:47] I hate driving in any city centre [08:47] * cps likes to take the train everywhere [08:47] Thought I could get away on the train, but have to take 5 storage units with me [08:47] and anything else that happens to go on rails [08:48] I find trains never go where I actually want/have to go to in a reasonable & cost effective way [08:50] When I changed jobs, I looked at getting the train & found I'd need to get 2 trains, it'd take 2 hours travelling time each way, I'd need to be up 2 hours earlier to get to work on time and it would cost £15+ per day. Driving takes 45 minutes each way and costs about £5.50 per day [08:51] * jpds just cycles around London. [08:51] jpds: What sort of distance do you cycle per day [08:52] Great exercise, but I don't like cycling when its wet [08:53] DJones: 14 miles according to Google. [08:53] jpds: *jealous* [08:53] nigelb: haha [08:53] Sounds good, I have a 30 mile drive each way for work [08:54] DJones: I dislike cycling when it's wet as well [08:54] Takes me about 40 minutes, either way. [08:55] jpds: Thats quite a good pace to keep up on a regular basis [08:57] * popey drives 30 miles each way to work [08:57] i think [08:57] morning btw [08:57] popey: Moin. [08:57] morning popey [08:57] http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FQ-yDgMdlkX0_yk7diSEwip0SDGqNq3it-vKNA%3BFQKJEgMdzrn4_ynJbdHVLGl2SDEFz_jqcIckUQ&q=gu14+to+uxbridge&aq=&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=14.066575,36.870117&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=10&saddr=gu14&daddr=uxbridge [08:58] that journey (pretty much) [08:59] popey: did you find time to make that ice melting video from all your webcam photos? :) [08:59] heh yeah, you asked me that, i made it and it wasnt interesting.. [08:59] aww [09:00] http://popey.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc [09:00] see [09:00] popey: How long does that take, mine is 45 minutes for the same distance, but I'm guessing the roads could be a bit less congested up here [09:00] * nigelb looks [09:00] morning popey [09:00] DJones: depends on time of day. anywhere between 40 and 90 mins [09:00] lo cps [09:00] choo choo [09:00] o/ [09:01] popey: Sounds about right [09:01] popey: wow, its nice :) [09:22] help [09:22] ME [09:23] ID [09:24] er right [09:25] dreamer_: You need to tell the channel what the problem is other wise nobody will know what the problem is [09:28] Well I am quite new to the IRC system so I am trying to find my way around :} [09:40] morning :) [09:47] Bonjour, mes amis. [10:00] anyone ever got osx in a vm on ubuntu? [10:09] Morning all o/ [10:09] Hey AlanBell, you about? [10:27] *tumbleweed* [10:32] Aloha [10:33] everyone's playing minecraft or installing OSX in virtual machines, clearly ;) [10:34] dogmatic69: I'm curious to try that now [10:34] dwatkins: :D [10:34] everyone in the office has mac's except me... not that im complaining. [10:35] just want to install it so i can back-up my claims that it sucks [10:35] I'm surrounded by Mac users also [10:35] I think it's superb, best laptop I ever had. [10:37] na [10:37] hey czajkowski o/ [10:37] most over priced laptop you ever had [10:37] dwatkins, lol [10:38] Depends how you count the cost. [10:38] like for like, cpu/ram/etc [10:38] Anyone wanting an almost mint eeePC? [10:39] I'd say a well built machine with a solid operating system which gets regular updates and security fixes is worth paying a little more for than a plastic laptop running an os full of holes. [10:39] selinuxium: howdy [10:39] selinuxium: what model? [10:39] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ASUS-eeePC-701-BLUETOOTH-8-GB-SD-CAR-CHARGER-/200573660804?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item2eb31f2e84 [10:39] there is a cute 3 month old baby at my desk [10:39] hehe, I used to have a 701 :D [10:39] A friend of mine is listing it, so I can vouch for it's condition... [10:40] If I had spare dollars I might of got it myself.. [10:40] The battery life on the newer Eee models is outstanding. [10:40] I really like the 701 for being small and the first model, though [10:41] I have my eye on the mini mixing desk... [10:42] selinuxium: so you can make little mixes? [10:42] Any of you guys use the Eclipse IDE? [10:43] selinuxium: I tried to use it yesterday, but it still hasn't finished loading. [10:43] MartijnVdS, So I can make my neighbours happy by mixing the guitar outs into some headphones for me and my flat mate... :) [10:43] MartijnVdS, lol. I have installed it and it seems quite snappy atm... [10:43] I have used it in the past and it was slow.... [10:44] wait until you load a big code base into it [10:44] MartijnVdS, Probably not going to happen with me tbh.. Just small personal projects.. [10:46] Want to use the Aptana integration into Android and other Phone app development... Probably will be a whim for a while... [10:46] * MartijnVdS has done some android stuff (very very minor) just using the command line tools [10:49] MartijnVdS, Do you use any IDE? I have not done any serious code for 4 years now, and then I used Bluefish... [10:50] does anyone know offhand the name of the volume adjuster in shell thingy... started with an 'a' iirc [10:50] alsamixer? [10:50] selinuxium: I use vim with some small vimrc tricks [10:50] selinuxium: and bash :) [10:50] selinuxium: thanks, that is the one [10:50] dogmatic69, np :) [10:53] ooh my otherself seems to have joined the future [10:56] screen-x: they call you "the doctor"? [11:02] morning all [11:03] morning davmor2 [11:03] o/ [11:04] morning nigelb [11:04] czajkowski: Welcome Back to the home land :P [11:05] heh [11:05] odd chap [11:05] czajkowski: s/odd/old/ [11:07] true [11:07] :p [11:07] I'll have my tea on the veranda. [11:09] Good morning UK [11:09] czajkowski: you got the nerve to call me odd with jpds last comment [11:16] davmor2: It's very relaxing. [11:18] hi everyone [11:18] jpds: What tea on the veranda or being odd :P [11:19] davmor2: Yes. [11:19] haha [11:39] morning everyone [11:42] Good morning! [11:42] * BigRedS notes his dist-upgrade wants to break everything :( [11:42] where 'everything' = 'apache/phpfcgi' [11:49] Pro tip: keep your blu-tack warm by placing it next to the air vent of your laptop [11:50] hahaha :) installing 10.10 on an old imac over here [11:50] might be a little bit too much for the little bugger [11:51] Does 10.10 come in ppc? === cferthorney is now known as cferthorney|afk [11:53] yep [11:53] there is a flavor out there [11:56] ah, not an official port? [11:56] I'm never quite sure of the status of the ppc port, it is on cdimage.ubuntu.com [11:57] Ahh [11:57] I remember it being like that a while ago, too. ISTR someone saying that canonical still did it, but don't support it [11:58] * screen-x hands knighwise a spare 't' [11:59] a spare T ? [11:59] knighwise: knightwise [11:59] to become knigh*t*wise === knighwise is now known as knightwise [11:59] ppc builds, no one checks that it works ;) [12:00] Ahhhh. I like that sort of port :) [12:09] any bash wizzards out there? [12:09] am struggling w the following [12:09] MartijnVdS put's on his coat and bash wizard hat [12:10] rsync -va --progress VirtualBox/HardDisks/pfSense-1.2.3*.vmdk "/mnt/backup/SYSTEM/wk10/VDI" [12:10] that works but the source path may at some point in the script have spaces in it [12:10] screen-x: No that's Bloodninja [12:11] as such it should be >> rsync -va --progress "VirtualBox/HardDisks/pfSense-1.2.3*.vmdk" "/mnt/backup/SYSTEM/wk10/VDI" [12:11] However the * doesn't get expanded with the double quotes [12:11] so I'm confused... :( [12:12] siya: that's what quotes are for :) [12:12] hehe, I thought single quotes means things don't get expanded [12:12] single quotes means $VARIABLES don't get expanded [12:13] so how do I deal w spaces w/o parsing * as a mere character [12:13] MartijnVdS, ah...! [12:13] siya: by temporarily re-setting $IFS.. but * expansion should be "safe" [12:14] (i.e. "foo*" might expand to properly escaped foo\ bar\ baz [12:15] MartijnVdS: doesn't seem to here, is there a shopt for that? [12:16] screen-x: in a directory with files with spaces in the name, try this: [12:16] screen-x: for x in *; do echo "---$x---"; done [12:16] that should work properly [12:18] MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/564393/ [12:19] screen-x: yes, that's good: it expands to one file name at a time, and properly treats each file as a single thing [12:21] for some reason I was expecting to see the spaces escaped [12:21] but I guess that example does do what you would want it to do in a script. [12:23] MartijnVdS, resetting $IFS on a terminal doesn't seem to make any difference [12:24] siya: it does in special cases [12:24] though for a script, I'm reasoning that if it doesn't work on my bash terminal it won't in the script [12:24] MartijnVdS, you're telling me I'm not special. I'll take that as a compliment :) [12:36] hmmm, it seems that my script works fine w spaces if I don't use quotes... :) [12:36] So for now all appears good, thnx guys [12:36] * siya goes for lunch [13:01] hey guyz , for a system with a PIII 600mhz chip and 512 megs of ram [13:01] whats the best GUI ? g [13:02] it still needs to support dropbox and a screensaver that displays pictures [13:02] thats about all it needs to do in fact [13:02] openbox? [13:02] lxde any good ? [13:03] I've never used it, but people do keep talking about it [13:04] i have used crunchbang on that spec pc [13:04] worked nicely [13:12] film recommendations? need to fill up my lovefilm list again.. [13:13] X3N: what kind of films do you like? [13:14] Madagascar! [13:15] DA FOOSA [13:17] All hail the giant pansies! [13:17] BigRedS: I enjoyed Madagascar :) [13:18] I've a reputation for watching it rather too much :) [13:18] davmor2: good ones [13:19] BigRedS: there are multiples sequels now? [13:19] at least one [13:19] and a couple of christmas specials [13:19] ahh [13:20] X3N: http://www.listal.com/list/imdb-top-250-movies [13:20] all hail king ..whathisname [13:20] X3N: cancel lovefilm, create a minecraft youtube playlist. [13:20] use someone elses list :) [13:20] hah [13:21] afternoonings everyone, [13:21] hey brobostigon [13:21] afternoonings knightwise [13:27] hihi :) been playing frankenstein all afternoon [13:27] Hi all [13:27] got 2 pc's from the dump and bringing them back to life wih linux (hobby of mine) [13:28] knightwise: I tried that once, got busted for removing stuff from the recycling centre :( [13:28] I have ssh working on my little phone now [13:28] lol yeah they are pretty strict about that screen-x [13:28] silly if you think of it [13:28] AlanBell: :) [13:29] AlanBell: daemon or client? [13:30] AlanBell: you have a little phone as oppposed to a gigantic phone? [13:30] Client [13:30] connectbot? [13:31] Midpssh and screen and irssi [13:31] that sounds like a symbian phone [13:32] dude, you're going backwards! [13:32] Old LG KS360 [13:32] You went Android -> Symbian when you should have taken the short cut to -> iPhone :) [13:40] I value my freedom [13:41] * BigRedS points at Google's big database [13:41] although, saying that I did manage to lose the darn thing [13:41] ;) [13:42] * popey goes looking for the source code for LG KS360 [13:43] ubuntu-uk.org seems unwell [13:44] AlanBell is so into freedom he let his old phone roam free (on a bus) :P [13:44] [8962777.581520] Out of memory: kill process 10311 (apache2) score 14870 or a child [13:44] [8962777.581539] Killed process 10311 (apache2) [13:44] joy [13:45] fun [13:45] tempted to switch from apache to lighty [13:46] popey: I switched to Cherokee [13:46] * MartijnVdS likes it [13:46] we shouldn't switch just because the machine is breaking though [13:47] has it actually died now? I'm not getting any response on ssh [13:47] uhm, i have experience of this X3N :) [13:47] i am on it [13:48] shutting it down.. [13:48] well, trying to [13:51] booting.. [13:54] eh why no MooDog [13:54] odd [13:54] its back [13:57] X3N: the reason I said that is because I have had experience of apache2 & wordpress 3.x and php 5.3 causing OOM errors [13:57] I had it on my VPS, and no matter how I tuned apache2, I couldn't get it to stop. [13:57] switched to lighty, problem gone# [13:57] I wrote a hello world iphone app last night (my app) on my computer, tried to transfer it to iphone (my phone), wouldn't let me withouth paying apple £100. That's when not caring about freedom bites you. [13:58] OOM? [13:59] Out Of Memory [13:59] oh [13:59] oh oh em [14:00] screen-x: where did you get £100 from? [14:01] popey: ios dev program enrolment fee. [14:01] its £59 Inc VAT [14:01] $100 then [14:01] o really? [14:01] ya rly [14:02] $100 =~ £62 [14:02] czajkowski: you scared him off [14:02] * popey is looking at an invoice for "IOS DEVELOPER PROGRAM" for £48.76+VAT [14:02] popey: ah yes, I hadn't noticed it was dollars. [14:02] still, not free [14:02] no :( [14:02] popey: it's still a lot [14:02] But then neither is Red Hat Linux. [14:03] Have you seen the documentation? [14:03] davmor2: ;( [14:03] It's quite... extensive [14:03] popey: I can understand charging for app store, but Its a shame you can't run your own app on your own phone free :( [14:03] yeah, I'm pretty sure you can [14:03] well with jailbreak [14:03] czajkowski: isn't today the day his shift changes maybe? [14:05] no idea [14:05] I don't stalk him that;s your role [14:06] czajkowski: you don't need to stalk him he does that to you :P [14:06] davmor2: no fun in stalking these days, latitude has made it too easy. [14:07] screen-x: only if they let you use it [14:07] latitude++ at fosdem tryig to find people [14:08] data roaming at £3/meg is unammusing though [14:08] Used a spacial sim for roaming [14:08] so a lot cheaper [14:09] good idea [14:09] aye [14:09] :) [14:09] full of em [14:09] I guess the more ip based services you use, the less your number matters, so its fine to change sims often. [14:09] * AlanBell is full of awe at the brilliance of czajkowski [14:10] LOL lets not go over board shall we [14:10] but here's an idea [14:10] Ubuntu-UK demo day or install day/ Bug jam here at Sirius some weekend [14:10] AlanBell: You see the things you start [14:10] Ubuntu UK bowling night [14:11] thoughts? [14:11] anyone up for either [14:11] yes, yes [14:11] keep em coming [14:11] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan [14:12] does anyone fancy working on Ubuntu Bugs Saturday 2nd April ???? [14:12] czajkowski: the issue with such days is where, if you have it down south it's too expensive for people up north, and visa versa. install day is a nice idea though, is that so someone can install ubuntu on gorgomon for you :P [14:12] maybe [14:13] davmor2: so folks in the north have to organise stuff as welll [14:13] but I'm tired of conference type events over here [14:13] I want to have some fun [14:15] i kinda got too busy and burnt out to keep organising stuff here, nothing really happens anymore [14:16] aye thats fair enough [14:16] cant fall down to one person either [14:16] it wasn't just me, but it falling completely on the shoulders of others gets a bit much [14:17] nods [14:18] 14:12:49 < davmor2> czajkowski: the issue with such days is where, if you have it down south it's too expensive for people up north, and visa versa. install day is a nice idea though, is that so someone can install ubuntu on gorgomon for you :P [14:19] -----------------------------> /dev/null [14:19] I thought we got over the "where shall we have the event" about 3 years ago [14:19] if people want events near them, organise one near them. EOS [14:19] popey: might of but I was unaware of it :D [14:19] popey: indeed [14:19] not any more :) [14:20] popey: indeed [14:20] If I organise a bug jam here in Sirius on April 2nd would folks be interesteD? [14:20] month before release ? [14:21] can be a bug jam or just to work on stuff together? [14:21] think there would be any interest? [14:21] Bug jam just don't sound tasty. [14:21] bug squashing [14:21] maybe [14:21] poss'bly [14:21] * czajkowski waves at andypiper [14:21] mm, jam [14:21] 'lo [14:21] tbh the idea of a bug jam is just about getting folks together and helping folks [14:21] yes czajkowski, a good idea [14:22] it doesnt clash with rugby [14:22] there is a pub a the end of the road [14:22] we can have some lunch and drinks [14:22] and just help folks get a little more involved [14:22] we could all sit around and watch popey shout at various apps not working the way he wants [14:22] czajkowski: yup, sounds good [14:22] ok am gonna fire a mail off the UK list [14:22] czajkowski: we could bring milk for andypipers saucer [14:22] lol [14:23] free milk and bugs! [14:23] tasty! [14:23] nomz [14:41] howdy [14:41] Hi. i am running the ubuntu 10.10 on the mac 10.06 within the virtualbox. earlier the same VM was running on XP host within VMware. I just imported it. Everything runs fine except that the data transfer with external USB lead to crash most of the time. It is a Virtual Box problem or ubuntu to blame? [14:46] mail done [14:47] howdy howdy howdy andylockran [14:48] devush: which bit crashes? [14:48] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/ [14:48] ties in with UGJ as well [14:48] popey: it just hangs fully. the virtualbox. only the restart of the virualbox helps [14:49] personally I would blame virtualbox, the USB support has never been fantastic [14:51] Heh, the ubuntugeek website looks as though it has problems, just had a warning that its infected with a trojan, somebody else mentioned it in #u as well [14:52] * BigRedS tries to remember where weybridge is [14:52] * BigRedS finds the link to the map... [14:52] i have fedora running without problem. - i was just testing. may be the import of virtualbox has some issues. anyway, i am creating a new vm with 11.04 already. [14:53] I was fiddling with 11.04 in vbox yesterday. [14:53] unity's a lot less... bad than I was expecting it to be [14:53] i am also thinking to get 10.10 on the macair directly without the virtualbox. is any body running it. and how to install it without the Superdrive. [14:54] i have 10.10 on my mac, not an air though [14:54] knightwise has put ubuntu on a macbook air I think? [14:54] there've been a couple of people on here claim to get it on mb airs with a normal drive [14:54] with no hassle, a Just Works sort of approach IIRC [14:55] as I have very stable 10.10 on the vmware for my main development. so i will still prefer 10.10 instead of 11.04. [14:55] bigreds: apart from the install are there any major issues you heard - 10.10 on new macair [14:57] i wonder why killing Chrome on my 10.10 install causes X to crash [14:57] popey: what is the UK tag for Ubuntu ? [14:58] no idea [14:58] shall #uk it [14:59] when is Natty released ? [14:59] April ? date? [14:59] see the release schedule on the wiki [14:59] devush: nope, but I've not really been listening [14:59] goes to google [14:59] 38th april [14:59] er [14:59] I'm pretty sure it was knightwise who did it [14:59] 28th [14:59] 38th [15:00] andypiper: ? [15:00] popey: thanks [15:00] they added 10 extra days to april [15:00] just to ensure Natty was GOOD AND READY [15:00] DJones: thing that annoys me most about ubuntugeek [15:00] the tradepub link on the right to the manual pdf [15:00] popey: No I like your first one more, we didn't miss the release we're just waiting on a calendar update [15:00] Just wondered re release party about doing a non london event, like Hampshire bowling or something for natty. on the Saturday 30th. [15:01] heh [15:01] also, looks like ubuntugeek has been reverted back to july last year [15:01] czajkowski: #ubuntu-uk possibly better and more relevant [15:01] though I thought I heard a mumer that the release wasnt gonna happen in london this year as that weekend is the wedding [15:01] davmor2: - dashes don't work in searches for hash tags [15:02] czajkowski: #UbuntuUk [15:02] nods [15:02] popey: Is the manual supposed to be copyright/paid for? [15:03] czajkowski: you're correct the wedding screws up London so it'll be neigh on impossible to get to millbank [15:03] aye thats what I thought.... [15:05] DJones: there is copyright on it, thats not my beef [15:05] DJones: my problem is that he's putting the manual behind a tradepub signup [15:05] thats just plain rude [15:05] he didnt make the manual, as far as I know he contributed zero to it, yet he gets the benefit from the tradepub sign ups [15:06]